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American 767s, Which Type?

Fri Feb 15, 2002 12:31 pm

Hi,
I have noticed that American operates a 767-200 on some days, while they have operated a 767-300 on other days for the same flight. For example, I have seen a 762 on some days and a 763 on other days doing ORD-ZRH, and many other routes.

Is this announced in the schedule what type of 767 will be used, or is it made that day depending on the loads for the flight?

I would like more information on this. Thank you.

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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Fri Feb 15, 2002 12:47 pm

Like any other airline, American may adjust the aircraft on a route when demand warrants it (or does not need a larger aircraft) or when maintenance is an issue.

American operates the Boeing 767-200, -200ER, and the -300ER.

The -200ER's are no longer operating to Europe I believe. Now, all transatlantic flights are on the -300ER or the 777.

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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Fri Feb 15, 2002 12:48 pm

ORD-ZRH?! Um, AA doesn't fly ORD-ZRH. No, the aircraft type is not decided on that day based on loads. Each aircraft type has to meet a mx parameter on its own and are scheduled that way. The only way you would get a -200 on an international route out of ORD is:

A) It is scheduled as a -200 (not likely right now)
B) There is a last minute equipment sub for some mx reason.
 
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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Fri Feb 15, 2002 1:25 pm

Blink182: The reason you may think this about the ORD-ZRH route is that last summer, there was a change of equipment mid-season on the route; for the first half of the summer, AA used a 762 on the route, and for the last half, AA used a 763. Not only do I remember this from the schedules, but I also flew the 763 flight two weeks after I had seen a 762 in ZRH (coming in from DFW on the 777).

But to answer your question: no, the choice for which type of 767 will be used on a particular day is not made the day of the flight. Right now, I think all AA 767 flights over the Atlantic are done with 763s.

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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Sat Feb 16, 2002 12:51 am

Thanks guys. I know that ORD-ZRH is not being operated by American right now, I was just using that as an example. I have flown that route before in 1998.

So, is it pretty much based on maintenence and the overall loads for the flight(when operated in the past)?

Thanks again,
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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Sat Feb 16, 2002 1:31 am

That´s one of the points why airlines love commonality - they can do last minute changes if the loads justify it, and the same crew can just use the other plane, no need to reschedule crews.

I remember a Lufthansa flight FRA-RIX, the plane scheduled was a 737-300 (coming in from NCE) that had a little problem. Because there were only like 30 pax, the subsitution a/c was a 737-500, not -300.

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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Sat Feb 16, 2002 7:24 pm


This change from acft type to another can be for operational or technical reasons !!!
 
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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 2:49 am

>So, is it pretty much based on maintenence and the
>overall loads for the flight(when operated in the past)?

Last minute change of equipment is for maintenance related reasons only. It might not have anything to do with the flight in question, but the need to move the scheduled aircraft to cover a different flight that the -200 actually flown was not qualified to operate.

An equipment change is not a simple matter of changing one aircraft for another. It requires a lot of coordination to ensure everything happens while not messing up previous scheduling. A very complex task to accomplish quickly.
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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 5:25 am

Are there PTV's in any class of AA 767's?
 
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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 6:41 am

KHI747- I have flown the 763 on AA overseas in business class, and economy class.

There isn't any PTVs in business class, but when I flew business class with them(ORD-ZRH 1999) they handed out ptvs with mini-videokassettes that had movies on them. I watched "You've Got Mail." I didn't feel like watching another movie, so I didn't request another movie when the F/A's came around. There were a lot of good movie choices though. This was in 1999 so things might have changed since then.

I flew Economy class in August '01 ORD-LHR, and there were no PTV's, just the normal overhead tv's mounted on the aisle ceilings throughout the cabin.

I do not know about first class though.

I hope this helps.

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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 7:01 am

When you check flight schedules on aa.com, the equipment is listed as "763" or "762". So they do specify, which would suggest that they plan these things out beforehand, as has been previously stated. Just thought I'd add that bit of information though.

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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 7:08 am

American has PTV's in 8 of its Airbus A300's that were used for North Atlantic operations but have since been withdrawn. The 777's also have PTV's. The entire 767 fleet (-200, -200ER, and -300ER) do not have PTV's.

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RE: American 767s, Which Type?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 10:12 am

Thank you everyone for the response...

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