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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 4:22 am

Qantas16 wrote:
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EK 3rd daily to BNE with a 77L was anyone expecting this?

https://www.ausbt.com.au/emirates-boost ... ai-service


Was rumoured on the BNE Skyscrapercity forum

01DEC17

EK430 DXB 22:00 - 18:15+1 BNE 772 D
EK431 BNE 22:25 - 07:00+1 DXB 772 D

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Congrats BNE!


Great news! The 1815 arrival is great but the 2225 departure is only 1.5hours after the EK434 departure, not exactly making any new connection opportunities with that?


It links to their largest bank of flights to Europe, so the times actually make sense through maximising the number of people able to connect. The times also work better to cities such as ATH and FCO which actually have very long connections at the moment.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 4:44 am

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And I know QF codeshares with (and holds a stake in) FJ but you never know... They went back into DPS and NAN seems like it would be a more premium-skewing market even if the volumes aren't quite a large.


I don't know about this, it's not just a small stake, Qantas own 46% of Fiji Airways. While not to the standard of QF, FJ is still a full service carrier of sorts, would seem counter productive to compete with a fellow full service carrier on the route which you own a large percent of. Passengers booked on QF codeshare flight numbers on FJ already get equivalent QF benefits such as equal luggage allowance and frequent flyers are recognised the same as any QF flight with increased baggage allowance, priority tags, lounge access etc. DPS was different as the only carrier they own on the route was low cost JQ, and competing with mostly other low cost airlines bar GA, so there was some sense entering the market for them to take the higher end. I could however, see JQ launching more services to NAN to tap into the lower end of an already heavily leisure market.


I tend to agree but wouldn't be shocked if QF entered SYD-NAN daily with a 738... can't see much more than that though. QF has partnerships with PX and SB and they operate the same routes together. I don't know about FJ's current fleet situation but could they use an extra aircraft? If QF operated one of the daily FJ SYD rotations (the one that doesn't connect to LAX), this could free up FJ to launch (or increase capacity) to another destination.


I'd be vastly shocked to see QF enter SYD-NAN primarily because they can't. Under the bilateral all entitlements are used up and there is literally zero capacity available for new services in MEL/SYD/BNE. Hence why JQ tried NAN-OOL

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What could be interesting is onward flights from Japan. Considering that Japan inbound tourism is booming the option to combine a stay over there with an onwards flight to Europe or the US (eg Hawaii) could be attractive. Also, with declining wages in Japan JAL may want to replace some services with a cheaper Jetstar alternative. But GK have had issues with certifications so their international flight expansion has been delayed and adding 787s means extra complexity in operations


As you said GK has had issues with certification and, frankly, I don't really think JAL has much of an idea of plan for how to use GK to its advantage. The original focus on domestic was a good strategy because JAL has fallen behind ANA but there are plenty of markets where GK currently is not flying, (Guam, Saipan, China, Korea etc) that are much closer to Japan and in range of the A320 or A320NEO family. GK is in the same position that 3K is in where they had first mover advantage but it's being squandered. In GK's case both Peach and Vanilla Air have been eating their lunch and will continue to do so unless GK somehow gets their act together.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 5:04 am

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there are plenty of markets where GK currently is not flying, (Guam, Saipan, China, Korea etc) that are much closer to Japan and in range of the A320 or A320NEO family. GK is in the same position that 3K is in where they had first mover advantage but it's being squandered. In GK's case both Peach and Vanilla Air have been eating their lunch and will continue to do so unless GK somehow gets their act together.


Yes, I wonder how much influence the Qantas Group has over GK's operations. Perhaps it is the combination of traditional Japanese caution enhanced with post-bankruptcy conservatism.

Aside from domestic demand in Japan, flights to Korea in particular would surely be something advantageous to the larger Jetstar Group considering how it is quite a fashionable destination these days, especially within the Asian communities.

I really think Jetstar should be promoting multi-hop travel across their network. All sort of destinations (eg Taiwan which according to the Jetstar route map, is served via Vietnam, Singapore and Japan) is absent from any Australian promotions, as are various other destinations, though I guess they are mainly targeted at intra-Asian traffic.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 5:42 am

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I'd be vastly shocked to see QF enter SYD-NAN primarily because they can't. Under the bilateral all entitlements are used up and there is literally zero capacity available for new services in MEL/SYD/BNE. Hence why JQ tried NAN-OOL


There are a total of 500 additional seats per week coming available for Australian carriers once both countries ratify the new (made in April 2017) arrangements. However, VA & JQ are currently over-using the pre-2017 capacity during certain parts of the year, so it would be very likely that one or both of them will take the 500 very quickly. Of course, for QF mainline to use the 500 new seats per week it would need to pinch some from JQ just to be able to offer 3x B738 frequencies per week. It's really just not worth it to QF, I suspect.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 6:00 am

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The MH126/127 appears to be downgraded to a 738, is this a temporary downgrade for a few weeks?


Temporary downgrade. Will be back to the A330 during the peak season.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 6:22 am

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Ah that's interesting - I had no idea CI were doing so well into SYD. Their Y fares have seemed a little on the high side any time I have looked at them as a one-stop option.

I think this will be SYD's first scheduled A350 too. Have there even been any visitiors aside from the original Airbus promo tour/s?


Also CI will go from 4 weekly to daily on TPE-BNE-AKL from 1 Dec


Huge capacity increase given SYD-TPE is currently 4x weekly (not to mention the feed from AKL) so run as a 14x weekly standalone... Great news for SYD and BNE though, would hope to see the A350 at BNE soon and keep it daily year-round.


It's currently 7 weekly with some flights heading to Auckland and some to Christchurch. Occasionally a terminal stop at Sydney. Christchurch been seasonal and Melbourne started not long ago so not surprised only Brisbane got the nod to daily.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 6:45 am

Atleast with that schedule into BNE it puts the silly IMO rumour to bed about EK doing BNE-WLG. A bit surprised at the schedule if though I'd have thought they would arrive at 2300 leave at 0600 or something similar to SYD/MEL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 7:55 am

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Atleast with that schedule into BNE it puts the silly IMO rumour to bed about EK doing BNE-WLG. A bit surprised at the schedule if though I'd have thought they would arrive at 2300 leave at 0600 or something similar to SYD/MEL.


EK already have a flight connecting to those banks with EK432/433, just that the SIN stop negates the 7 hour overnight stop. These new times are much more efficient than leaving the plane there overnight.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 8:15 am

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 9:26 am

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Atleast with that schedule into BNE it puts the silly IMO rumour to bed about EK doing BNE-WLG. A bit surprised at the schedule if though I'd have thought they would arrive at 2300 leave at 0600 or something similar to SYD/MEL.


EK already have a flight connecting to those banks with EK432/433, just that the SIN stop negates the 7 hour overnight stop. These new times are much more efficient than leaving the plane there overnight.


They already have a flight connecting to the bank of the new EK431 ex BNE aswell with EK435 just 1.5 hours before hand. It is their main bank however.

CI are certainly stepping up their Australian ops though, I wonder if The planned increases will be yearround? If it stays as is it AKL will be daily overall compared to 10 weekly last year and CHC 3 weekly rather than 6.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 9:52 am

Considering the Commonwealth games in OOL is mentioned by the EK rep, I wonder why they did not fly into there.

I would assume its because OOL does not have enough runway to manage a direct flight to DXB.
I read in the draft 2017 master plan they're relocating the landing threshold, would that give enough room for a 77L to land after a long haul ex DXB?
A triangular DXB-OOL-CBR-DXB could have done the trick though. The 77L would be able depart with a smaller payload ex OOL, and then load up in CBR for the long-haul to DXB.

Gets the direct inbound traffic and connects a high yielding outbound destination...

I wonder if QR has something like this in mind for their upcoming CBR service, would give them a way to sneak into the BNE market with current bilaterals and connect two good secondary destinations
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 11:13 am

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Considering the Commonwealth games in OOL is mentioned by the EK rep, I wonder why they did not fly into there.



Even though OOL is hosting the Commonwealth Games, the facilities at BNE are being used as the training grounds for all countries prior to the Commonwealth games, such as QEII Stadium for Athletics, Chandler aquatic centre for Swimming, Anna Mears velodrome for Cycline, and more. So I assume that's why they choose to send the aircraft to BNE and not OOL .
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 11:57 am

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I wonder if QR has something like this in mind for their upcoming CBR service, would give them a way to sneak into the BNE market with current bilaterals and connect two good secondary destinations


Would work but in QR case I believe they are planning this triangular routing to ramp up SYD capacity.

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Fri May 12, 2017 12:05 pm

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Considering the Commonwealth games in OOL is mentioned by the EK rep, I wonder why they did not fly into there.

I would assume its because OOL does not have enough runway to manage a direct flight to DXB.
I read in the draft 2017 master plan they're relocating the landing threshold, would that give enough room for a 77L to land after a long haul ex DXB?
A triangular DXB-OOL-CBR-DXB could have done the trick though. The 77L would be able depart with a smaller payload ex OOL, and then load up in CBR for the long-haul to DXB.

Gets the direct inbound traffic and connects a high yielding outbound destination...

I wonder if QR has something like this in mind for their upcoming CBR service, would give them a way to sneak into the BNE market with current bilaterals and connect two good secondary destinations


Tbh I'm a little unsure why we have all taken a fascination in triangle/stopover routings lately, given that the last 10 years has seen airlines moving away from these exact routings (e.g. TG BKK-SYD-BNE-BKK, CX HKG-ADL-MEL-HKG) and while some still exist, they too are slowly disappearing (CX HKG-CNS-BNE is gone over summer). The only one that is currently meant to start is DOH-SYD-CBR but that is for bilateral reasons.

I would be absolutely shocked to see EK operate a DXB-OOL-CBR-DXB rotation (would have been socked to see either OOL or CBR standalone as well). BNE offers so much more for an airline like EK than OOL does... to start with it has significantly better connection opportunities throughout SE QLD (via public transport and roads) and to the rest of Australia through QF domestic network. BNE also has much, much more business traffic and excellent terminal facilities in comparison to OOL. OOL is great for D7/TZ/JQ but I doubt we'll see EK there for a long time yet.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 12:08 pm

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The MH126/127 appears to be downgraded to a 738, is this a temporary downgrade for a few weeks?


Temporary downgrade. Will be back to the A330 during the peak season.


MH is operating the 738 to PER 8 May to 19 June 17 except selected dates

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-updates/
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Fri May 12, 2017 12:18 pm

Qantas FF is now worth close to $4 billion. Earnings are expected to double by 2022.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-frequen ... -4-billion
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Fri May 12, 2017 12:32 pm

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Atleast with that schedule into BNE it puts the silly IMO rumour to bed about EK doing BNE-WLG. A bit surprised at the schedule if though I'd have thought they would arrive at 2300 leave at 0600 or something similar to SYD/MEL.


I'm unsure where the BNE-WLG rumour came from, would have been interesting but no way it would work with the current schedule. The only option now would be to change the EK430-433 times and add the BNE-WLG as an extension of the EK432/433 flight (similar to DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC was for many years).

Current

EK430 2200 DXB - 1815 BNE
EK432 0230 DXB - 1405 SIN 1535 - 0055 BNE
EK434 1035 DXB - 0625 BNE 0810 - 1325 AKL

EK431 2225 BNE - 0700 DXB
EK433 0235 BNE - 0815 SIN 0940 - 1300 DXB
EK435 1710 AKL - 1900 BNE 2100 - 0510 DXB


Potential

EK430 0200 DXB - 2200 BNE
EK432 0900 DXB - 2035 SIN 2205 - 0725 BNE 0900 - 1410 WLG
EK434 1035 DXB - 0625 BNE 0810 - 1325 AKL

EK431 0530 BNE - 1340 DXB
EK433 1630 WLG - 1830 BNE 2000 - 0200 SIN 0330 - 0700 DXB
EK435 1710 AKL - 1900 BNE 2100 - 0510 DXB

This has very similar departure and arrival times in DXB to meet the departure and arrival banks there. The problem with extending EK432/433 to WLG is that this route is currently flown by a 77W which I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) is too big for WLG so would need to switch to a 77L - in which case operating a 77L on a route with no single long leg seems sort of a waste... Not a great arrival time in SIN but the route currently has a 0055 arrival and 0235 departure out of BNE so hard to get much worse than that!
 
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Fri May 12, 2017 5:02 pm

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I would assume its because OOL does not have enough runway to manage a direct flight to DXB.


Depends what payload they can live with. 77L MTOW would be ~290t and would be good for ~ 35t payload westbound which is max passenger plus 4 to 5t. of freight.
 
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Fri May 12, 2017 6:03 pm

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Qantas FF is now worth close to $4 billion. Earnings are expected to double by 2022.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-frequen ... -4-billion


It's interesting to note that AC having spun their FF program off a while back - is now starting again and bringing it in house.

This is an article by a retired private equity executive turned UK FF guru on this point: http://www.headforpoints.com/2017/05/12 ... lan-aimia/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Fri May 12, 2017 10:59 pm

QF16 diverted to HNL this morning, looks to be for medical reasons.

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Sat May 13, 2017 12:00 am

In being a bit different they could have BNE-WLG as an evening with a morning WLG-BNE but it probably wouldn't connect to much at DXB.

DXB 2200 BNE 1815
BNE 1945 WLG 0045
WLG 0600 BNE 0640
BNE 0810 DXB 1645

Unlikely, EK have 1 A380 at AKL from 1245-1730 daily just on a Tasman run the SYD and BNE aircraft swap in AKL now so have shorter turns and then the DXB-AKL from 0950-2030 daily. If they could have an aircraft overnight WLG if they wanted.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 12:21 am

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Tbh I'm a little unsure why we have all taken a fascination in triangle/stopover routings lately, given that the last 10 years has seen airlines moving away from these exact routings (e.g. TG BKK-SYD-BNE-BKK, CX HKG-ADL-MEL-HKG) and while some still exist, they too are slowly disappearing (CX HKG-CNS-BNE is gone over summer). The only one that is currently meant to start is DOH-SYD-CBR but that is for bilateral reasons.

I would be absolutely shocked to see EK operate a DXB-OOL-CBR-DXB rotation (would have been socked to see either OOL or CBR standalone as well). BNE offers so much more for an airline like EK than OOL does... to start with it has significantly better connection opportunities throughout SE QLD (via public transport and roads) and to the rest of Australia through QF domestic network. BNE also has much, much more business traffic and excellent terminal facilities in comparison to OOL. OOL is great for D7/TZ/JQ but I doubt we'll see EK there for a long time yet.


Its probably because now the bilateral for a lot of carriers are maxed or will be maxed out soon, and so triangle routes are a way of perhaps making routes work that comply with the bilaterals?

Agreed on your point though, triangle routes are generally not favoured by anyone these days.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 12:31 am

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qf789 wrote:
Qantas FF is now worth close to $4 billion. Earnings are expected to double by 2022.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-frequen ... -4-billion


It's interesting to note that AC having spun their FF program off a while back - is now starting again and bringing it in house.

This is an article by a retired private equity executive turned UK FF guru on this point: http://www.headforpoints.com/2017/05/12 ... lan-aimia/


Very interesting development. Aeroplan stocks dived about 65% on the news, whilst AC stocks were up about 11%. Pretty big swings both ways.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 1:52 am

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The MH126/127 appears to be downgraded to a 738, is this a temporary downgrade for a few weeks?


Temporary downgrade. Will be back to the A330 during the peak season.


MH is operating the 738 to PER 8 May to 19 June 17 except selected dates

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-updates/



No surprised, Malindo seems to be doing really well and the MAS timings are awful.
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Sat May 13, 2017 2:59 am

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9MMPD wrote:

Temporary downgrade. Will be back to the A330 during the peak season.


MH is operating the 738 to PER 8 May to 19 June 17 except selected dates

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-updates/



No surprised, Malindo seems to be doing really well and the MAS timings are awful.
2am departure? what were they thinking


Malindo reduced services just over 2 weeks ago from 12 weekly to 10 weekly
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Sat May 13, 2017 3:57 am

waoz1 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
9MMPD wrote:

Temporary downgrade. Will be back to the A330 during the peak season.


MH is operating the 738 to PER 8 May to 19 June 17 except selected dates

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-updates/



No surprised, Malindo seems to be doing really well and the MAS timings are awful.
2am departure? what were they thinking


MH leaves about an hour after Malindo at night so not such a big deal plus the arrival time into KUL provides connections to Alor Setar, Denpasar, Bangkok, Yangon, Jakarta, Kuching, Kota Kinabalu, Hong Kong, Phuket, Taipei,.Kuantan, Katmandu, Chennai, Hannoi, Langkawi, Manila, Siem Reap,Penang, Bangalore, Phnom Penh, Ho chi Minh, Guangzhou, Xiamen and Miri.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 5:12 am

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In being a bit different they could have BNE-WLG as an evening with a morning WLG-BNE but it probably wouldn't connect to much at DXB.

DXB 2200 BNE 1815
BNE 1945 WLG 0045
WLG 0600 BNE 0640
BNE 0810 DXB 1645

Unlikely, EK have 1 A380 at AKL from 1245-1730 daily just on a Tasman run the SYD and BNE aircraft swap in AKL now so have shorter turns and then the DXB-AKL from 0950-2030 daily. If they could have an aircraft overnight WLG if they wanted.


Problem is that, IIRC, WLG has a curfew from 0000-0600 so won't work. Also a 0600 departure from WLG would mean close to an 0800 arrival in Brisbane, not 0640, which pushes arrival into DXB back even further. Only option would be, without curfew, a 0230 departure from WLG, 0430 arrival in BNE and then a 0600 departure from BNE to DXB (similar time to MEL/SYD early AM departures). Obviously that kills any potential BNE-WLG traffic but a 0230 departure isn't the worst in the world, EK has been successful at this in the past with departures from MEL and BNE leaving in the early hours, as well as some of their SE Asian ports.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sat May 13, 2017 5:23 am

WLG does have sone sort of curfew I'm not sure how it works really.

BNE doesn't have day light saving so a flight departing WLG at 0600 in our summer would get to BNE before 0700 whereas in winter it would be closer to 0800.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 5:30 am

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Problem is that, IIRC, WLG has a curfew from 0000-0600 so won't work.

The WLG curfew has a limited exemption (arrivals until 0100?) for international flights.
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Sat May 13, 2017 5:37 am

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Problem is that, IIRC, WLG has a curfew from 0000-0600 so won't work.

The WLG curfew has a limited exemption (arrivals until 0100?) for international flights.


Either way, a 0045 scheduled arrival leaves only 15minutes until curfew, a bit risky. Also a 0600 departure from WLG, even during daylight savings with a 0830 departure from BNE, would land at ~1630 which is too late for most European connection.
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 6:29 am

VA and BP heading to court in September over BP's bid to dump VA's velocity FF program in favour of rebranding WW fuel and hence being part of QF's FF program

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Sat May 13, 2017 6:57 am

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MH is operating the 738 to PER 8 May to 19 June 17 except selected dates

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-updates/



No surprised, Malindo seems to be doing really well and the MAS timings are awful.
2am departure? what were they thinking


MH leaves about an hour after Malindo at night so not such a big deal plus the arrival time into KUL provides connections to Alor Setar, Denpasar, Bangkok, Yangon, Jakarta, Kuching, Kota Kinabalu, Hong Kong, Phuket, Taipei,.Kuantan, Katmandu, Chennai, Hannoi, Langkawi, Manila, Siem Reap,Penang, Bangalore, Phnom Penh, Ho chi Minh, Guangzhou, Xiamen and Miri.


Difference is Malindo offer a daily 3pm flight
Malaysian only offers 2am
 
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Sat May 13, 2017 11:24 am

JQ being slammed for leaving passengers onboard JQ18 HKT-MEL a couple of days ago while a technical issue was being fixed,

http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer ... w471d.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sat May 13, 2017 12:36 pm

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Assume the diversion was due to DXB wx & crew didn't have sufficient holding fuel.

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JQ being slammed for leaving passengers onboard JQ18 HKT-MEL a couple of days ago while a technical issue was being fixed,

http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer ... w471d.html


Mechanical problem at an foreign port has its challenges, communication barrier issues and as for passengers remaining onboard this is a common practise in the event aircraft becomes serviceable. The crew had been advised by their operations the problem would've been resoved within the 2 hour window.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sat May 13, 2017 9:53 pm

Qantas to name 787's after australian icons. QF will put to a public vote from today till the 26th of May. Suggestions include FJ Holden, Sydney Harbour Bridge, Great Barrier Reef, lamington, Vegemite, Flying Merino, Kakadu and Don Bradman

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-id ... 8f02cc9138
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 12:38 am

Qantas to name 787's after australian icons. QF will put to a public vote from today till the 26th of May. Suggestions include FJ Holden, Sydney Harbour Bridge, Great Barrier Reef, lamington, Vegemite, Flying Merino, Kakadu and Don Bradman


Good grief!! I know they mean well, but this is tacky. Surely we don't want planes named after The Big Banana. Can't we be a bit more classy; what about VC winners, past prime ministers, scenes of battles involving Australians? These are appropriate and not cringe-worthy like the current idea.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 12:40 am

tullamarine wrote:
Qantas to name 787's after australian icons. QF will put to a public vote from today till the 26th of May. Suggestions include FJ Holden, Sydney Harbour Bridge, Great Barrier Reef, lamington, Vegemite, Flying Merino, Kakadu and Don Bradman


Good grief!! I know they mean well, but this is tacky. Surely we don't want planes named after The Big Banana. Can't we be a bit more classy; what about VC winners, past prime ministers, scenes of battles involving Australians? These are appropriate and not cringe-worthy like the current idea.


I agree, terrible idea. This sort of thing would work with the Jetstar brand but QF should aim higher.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 12:58 am

Qantas16 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Qantas to name 787's after australian icons. QF will put to a public vote from today till the 26th of May. Suggestions include FJ Holden, Sydney Harbour Bridge, Great Barrier Reef, lamington, Vegemite, Flying Merino, Kakadu and Don Bradman


Good grief!! I know they mean well, but this is tacky. Surely we don't want planes named after The Big Banana. Can't we be a bit more classy; what about VC winners, past prime ministers, scenes of battles involving Australians? These are appropriate and not cringe-worthy like the current idea.


I agree, terrible idea. This sort of thing would work with the Jetstar brand but QF should aim higher.


Agreed 100% this is Australiana at it's worse

Australian birds (734), Australian regional towns (738), larger Australian towns and cities (767 and 747), and Australian aviation pioneers (380) are all great naming conventions, but this is just tacky. If they limited it to Australian World Heritage sights then I could see that working as it encorporate iconic Australian tourist sites such as Uluru, Great Barrier Reef, Fraser Island etc without being too in-your-face
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 1:08 am

qf789 wrote:
Qantas to name 787's after australian icons. QF will put to a public vote from today till the 26th of May. Suggestions include FJ Holden, Sydney Harbour Bridge, Great Barrier Reef, lamington, Vegemite, Flying Merino, Kakadu and Don Bradman

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-id ... 8f02cc9138


"Vegemite" & "Lamington" sound like the names that an Australia branch of Scoot would use, names like Kakadu, Don Bradman and Flying Merino are all nice, but I'd rather consistency I.e. All the aircraft are named under a single theme like sports stars, landmarks etc.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 1:26 am

iconic Australian tourist sites such as Uluru, Great Barrier Reef, Fraser Island etc without being too in-your-face


I think the A332 fleet have already adopted this grouping with names such as Cradle Mountain, Surfers Paradise, Ningaloo Reef and Kangaroo Island.

BTW, I really appreciate the classy beach names VA has adopted after the appalling corny names of DJ such as Mellie Melba etc.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 2:51 am

I think they should use the unused names of Australian Aviation pioneers from the A380 list. That will cover the first 8 B789s and I'm sure there are others that could be added to that list.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 3:05 am

Agreed, vegemite brings back the same embarrassment of the cricket safety demo
With the 787s to be used internationally, place names would be more recognizable than people in places such as LHR and LAX, what about the place names that the 767 fleet had, wouldnt they be a good option?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 4:15 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:

Good grief!! I know they mean well, but this is tacky. Surely we don't want planes named after The Big Banana. Can't we be a bit more classy; what about VC winners, past prime ministers, scenes of battles involving Australians? These are appropriate and not cringe-worthy like the current idea.


I agree, terrible idea. This sort of thing would work with the Jetstar brand but QF should aim higher.


Agreed 100% this is Australiana at it's worse

Australian birds (734), Australian regional towns (738), larger Australian towns and cities (767 and 747), and Australian aviation pioneers (380) are all great naming conventions, but this is just tacky. If they limited it to Australian World Heritage sights then I could see that working as it encorporate iconic Australian tourist sites such as Uluru, Great Barrier Reef, Fraser Island etc without being too in-your-face


Agreed. I think Australian World Heritage sites is a good idea. As there is a focus on promoting tourism particularly on PER-LHR maybe they can extend that into popular tourist attractions/destinations as well.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 5:53 am

I would assume that they won't use any people who haven't been dead for a while so they don't get a Rolf Harris/ Jimmy Saville problem.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 6:40 am

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iconic Australian tourist sites such as Uluru, Great Barrier Reef, Fraser Island etc without being too in-your-face


I think the A332 fleet have already adopted this grouping with names such as Cradle Mountain, Surfers Paradise, Ningaloo Reef and Kangaroo Island.

BTW, I really appreciate the classy beach names VA has adopted after the appalling corny names of DJ such as Mellie Melba etc.


Well Dame Mellie Melba was a well known and great Australian so it might be a bit rich to call it corny.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 7:04 am

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BTW, I really appreciate the classy beach names VA has adopted after the appalling corny names of DJ such as Mellie Melba etc.


I've never heard of "Mellie" Melba.

Perhaps you mean "Dame Nellie Melba" who was one of the great Australians, our first star-power opera singer, who collected fortunes for charity during WW1, a genuine diva.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 7:39 am

Any ideas why QF61 (Brisbane to Tokyo-Narita operated by VH-QPA) is taking a massive diversion north west?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHQPA
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 7:42 am

Australian rivers or mountains would make a far better list of names than some of the icons listed.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2017

Sun May 14, 2017 7:50 am

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Any ideas why QF61 (Brisbane to Tokyo-Narita operated by VH-QPA) is taking a massive diversion north west?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHQPA


If you look at flight readr24, you will see active volcanic activity up around PNG which is the normal flight routing

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