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Tue May 09, 2017 12:18 pm

I am glad to be alive at such an interesting time in Indian Aviation!

This will make IndiGo the largest ATR 72 operator, and India the largest country for it.
 
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Tue May 09, 2017 12:52 pm

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This is a drastic departure from their single aircraft only philosophy. Could it be that RCS guidelines forced their hand? Anyway good news from small airports across the country.

Maybe. The VGF required it to pay ₹7,000-8,000 per normal flight otherwise. With IndiGo entering the regional market, I am confident it will go.

this might also become a reason for SG to accelerate it's long haul plans.
 
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Wed May 10, 2017 11:06 am

Country's first ATR 72 simulator inaugurated in Gurgaon
Ministry of Civil Aviation Secretary Mr R. N Choubey, Head DGCA Mr B S Bhullar and Boeing India Head Mr Pratyush Kumar inaugurating FSTC's B737 & ATR 72-500 simulators FSTC Gurgaon. # FSTC
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Karnataka government flies into airlines diplomacy to attract more footfall
The Karnataka government has decided to intercede in the state's airlines business by asking more countries to operate direct flights to Bengaluru.
In an effort to up the ante to attract more business, be it in tourism or information technology sector, the government has taken the diplomacy route by approaching local consulates and is trying to lobby for a direct flight to the nation's IT-BT capital.
"We have approached a few consulates located in Bengaluru to try and lobby for direct flights from other countries to the city. With the Kempegowda International Airport (KIA) being the third busiest airport in the country, we expect diplomatic efforts from our end to increase footfall to the state," said tourism and IT-BT minister Priyank Kharge .
According to the minister, the state has already approached few nations like Australia, Israel and Japan which have consulates in the city for the purpose of pushing their national carriers and private airlines to operate direct routes.

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/bengalur ... 600892.cms
 
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Wed May 10, 2017 11:32 am

Could Georgia be the gateway for Indian LCC's to Europe?
India & Georgia recently signed air services agreement. It permits Indian airlines to launch flights from any Indian city to Georgia, and onwards to Europe. Georgia has open skies with EU.
Now see, the position of Georgia is actually very interesting. This is a map of how secondary Indian cities can be connected to Europe by an LCC via Georgia. All the distances lie comfortably in the range of A320.
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Do you think its a good idea for maybe 6E or G8 to try this? (SG is planning low cost long haul).
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Wed May 10, 2017 5:02 pm

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Could Georgia be the gateway for Indian LCC's to Europe?

Any gateway itself has to have significant O&D traffic with India in order to succeed. Keep in mind 9W didn't really succeed with the hub in Brussels, and Brussels has far more business ties with India (especially Surat) than Georgia. Additionally, a larger city like Frankfurt, Amsterdam or Paris with fast rail connections opens up many more low cost connecting passengers. Of course, the three airports have entrenched FCC who will not take kindly to an LCC invading their turf. I would think VIE, MXP or some similar non fortress hub with an existing Indian diaspora in the catchment area and easy connection to high speed trains would be ideal.
 
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Thu May 11, 2017 7:53 am

Air India Express eyes tie-up with flydubai

An official said the airline is discussing ways to collaborate with flydubai for possible sales and marketing beyond Dubai. 

Various options, including code share of flights and interline agreement, are being looked at, the official added. 

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

a very much required thing for AI express to survive the up coming onslaught from IndiGo. Also, extremely good for flydubai to get Indian feed.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - May 2017

Thu May 11, 2017 8:57 am

anshabhi wrote:
Could Georgia be the gateway for Indian LCC's to Europe?
India & Georgia recently signed air services agreement. It permits Indian airlines to launch flights from any Indian city to Georgia, and onwards to Europe. Georgia has open skies with EU.
Now see, the position of Georgia is actually very interesting. This is a map of how secondary Indian cities can be connected to Europe by an LCC via Georgia. All the distances lie comfortably in the range of A320.
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Do you think its a good idea for maybe 6E or G8 to try this? (SG is planning low cost long haul).

Its interesting you say that. Georgia also happens to have liberal Visa regime for Indians. It is becoming a popular tourist spot for Indians living in the GCC.
Its upto the LCC to partner with the tourism board to make it an attractive proposition.
 
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Thu May 11, 2017 3:06 pm

I'd really appreciate it if someone could give me a low-down on the future of Indian aviation and its current health. Am quite interested in particular wrt Indian aviation due to ancestry.

How is Air India going and what's its future?

How is Jet Airways going and what's its future?

How is Visatra going and what's its future? Any chance of regaining past Tata aviation glories?

How is Spicejet? I hear its future is long-haul now and how likely is it really to fulfill its 200+ 737Max orders?

How is IndiGo? I hear 50 ATRs in the pipeline.

Thank you so much!
 
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Thu May 11, 2017 3:19 pm

ZeeZoo wrote:
I'd really appreciate it if someone could give me a low-down on the future of Indian aviation and its current health. Am quite interested in particular wrt Indian aviation due to ancestry.

How is Air India going and what's its future?

How is Jet Airways going and what's its future?

How is Visatra going and what's its future? Any chance of regaining past Tata aviation glories?

How is Spicejet? I hear its future is long-haul now and how likely is it really to fulfill its 200+ 737Max orders?

How is IndiGo? I hear 50 ATRs in the pipeline.

Thank you so much!


Overall, the future is very good for Indian aviation but it will be LCCs all over. After 20%+ for last 15 months, the growth​ is now slowing down to <15% because of infrastructure constraints. Several new Airports are expected to come up by 2020. Also,most of the growth is now coming ​from smaller Airports.

AI's future is dark. It's losing market share on both intl and domestic sectors. Its debt is eating it from inside, and overall it has no future. It can only survive on taxpayer's money.

9W as usual is struggling for survival. But, LCCs are making it's life much tougher.

UK is too young to be judged. It would be better to ask about it next year, when it goes intl. On Domestic sector though, it's product is simply the best.

SG's future is not only long haul. It also has 155 B738 Max on order. 100% certainly, all of them will be delivered.

6E's ATR order is also a very small thing. It has 400+ NEOs on order, and it's readily adding more and more aircraft.

SG CMD's recent interview: http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/busine ... 76511.html
 
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Thu May 11, 2017 3:24 pm

The future of Indian aviation depends on Indians losing their obsession with A380s/Code F airports and Regional Jets.

Indigo will be a success story (now that they embraced TPs)
Air India - Hard to say with Indigo's entry into TP market. Their best bet is 19 seat market.
Jet Airways will do very well in International segment. They just need to follow DL's lead.

Vistara will go nowhere. TATAs will just keep it running.

SpiceJet risking too much. It should have got into TP/19 seat market in a big way. Rather it is planning to up size. Opposite direction of Indigo.
 
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Thu May 11, 2017 4:14 pm

India reliance on air travel is misplaced to connect it's smaller/medium size cities. Right now there are something like 900 orders on the books for narrowbodies. Where are they going to find qualified pilots for all of these planes? Skies are going to be clogged with all that traffic too. If fuel goes up tickets are going to become less affordable. It seems like a foolish gamble.

India should have built up Highspeed rail like the Chinese. It would have been more efficient, faster, cheaper and less fuel price dependant as a scheme to connect it's tier 2/3/4 cities to the rest of the country. China had 1.5 billion rides on its Highspeed rail service last year with ~25% YOY passenger growth.
 
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Thu May 11, 2017 4:45 pm

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India reliance on air travel is misplaced to connect it's smaller/medium size cities. Right now there are something like 900 orders on the books for narrowbodies. Where are they going to find qualified pilots for all of these planes? Skies are going to be clogged with all that traffic too. If fuel goes up tickets are going to become less affordable. It seems like a foolish gamble.

India should have built up Highspeed rail like the Chinese. It would have been more efficient, faster, cheaper and less fuel price dependant as a scheme to connect it's tier 2/3/4 cities to the rest of the country. China had 1.5 billion rides on its Highspeed rail service last year with ~25% YOY passenger growth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai%E2 ... l_corridor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-spee ... dia#Routes

Already starting to gain traction, likely early 2020s when things really start getting to go.
 
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Thu May 11, 2017 4:48 pm

ZeeZoo wrote:
I'd really appreciate it if someone could give me a low-down on the future of Indian aviation and its current health. Am quite interested in particular wrt Indian aviation due to ancestry.


The best thing about Indian aviation sector is that the govt. is setting priority and mechanism to improve the services. Regarding the rest, it allows market to decide.

#1 Udaan program is really tied into improving focus on rural India and jobs. Easiest way to create jobs in places like Varanasi, NE India etc is tourism, which in turn, requires connectivity

#2 Attempt being made to formulate policy of allowing expansion of bilateral air services

In near term, there will be a churn as rail/road services continue to improve. On the other hand, secondary cities will see increased connectivity to other secondary/tertiary cities.

About time this happened.
 
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Thu May 11, 2017 4:53 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
India should have built up Highspeed rail like the Chinese. It would have been more efficient, faster, cheaper and less fuel price dependant as a scheme to connect it's tier 2/3/4 cities to the rest of the country. China had 1.5 billion rides on its Highspeed rail service last year with ~25% YOY passenger growth.


You are forgetting that at the same period the Chinese built more than 120 new airports and their aviation sector grew manifold. India absolutely needs a robust domestic and international aviation industry to meet drive its economic growth.
 
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Thu May 11, 2017 4:58 pm

I personally feel having the late mover advantage, India should go for newer technologies like Hyperloop instead of old techs like fast trains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop

Also, thankfully pilots and other manpower issues have not popped up yet. India always had a lot of skilled workers available.

TBH, fast trains require a lot of money. Mumbai-ahmedabad bullet train costs $16 billion, and Japan is financing 99% of it (on loans).
You can create atleast 20 amazing airports in that.
 
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Fri May 12, 2017 1:41 am

Zoom Air recently recieved its second CRJ- VT ZOC
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apparently, Zoom Air's founder is an industry insider and has already been a part of 2 failed regional airlines.

http://m.businesstoday.in/story/runway- ... 51163.html
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Fri May 12, 2017 6:13 am

From August this year, #AirIndia will operate direct flights between #Colombo and #Varanasi : PM @narendramodi .

https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/862 ... 187520?p=v
 
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Fri May 12, 2017 11:42 am

Air India schedules 747-400 service to Kabul in 2Q17

Air India in the next few weeks plans to boost capacity to Afghanistan, currently serving Delhi – Kabul route 4 times a week. The following dates will see Boeing 747-400 operating, replacing Airbus A320 aircraft: 18MAY17 / 20MAY17 / 21MAY17 / 10JUN17 / 11JUN17 / 17JUN17 / 18JUN17 / 20JUN17.
AI243 DEL1235 – 1345KBL 744
AI244 KBL1515 – 1820DEL 744

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... l-in-2q17/
 
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Fri May 12, 2017 12:29 pm

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Zoom Air recently recieved its second CRJ- VT ZOC
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 3004554229

apparently, Zoom Air's founder is an industry insider and has already been a part of 2 failed regional airlines.

http://m.businesstoday.in/story/runway- ... 51163.html


They switched from gold to yellow paint, much better now.
 
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Sun May 14, 2017 2:12 pm

http://www.outlookindia.com/newswire/story/with-1-flight-in-every-65-secs-mumbai-busiest-single-runway-airport/969324

A good achievement for the Airport but it goes to show that Mumbai badly needs a new airport as the number of passengers fling from BOM continues to increase
 
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Mon May 15, 2017 9:30 am

 
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Mon May 15, 2017 10:53 am

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Also interesting that 6E hopes to end FY18 with a fleet of 170 A320s (ceo+neo), meaning addition of 39 aircraft to its fleet for the year. This would be the largest net addition of aircraft in a year for IndiGo without even accounting for the ATR deliveries.

That is impressive, a growth of 39 airframes Implies continued approach to 50% domestic market share, or is more of the growth international?

It also implies Indigo thinks they can make a profit off the NEO, despite the issues they have had.

Lightsaber
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Mon May 15, 2017 1:24 pm

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unrave wrote:
Also interesting that 6E hopes to end FY18 with a fleet of 170 A320s (ceo+neo), meaning addition of 39 aircraft to its fleet for the year. This would be the largest net addition of aircraft in a year for IndiGo without even accounting for the ATR deliveries.

That is impressive, a growth of 39 airframes Implies continued approach to 50% domestic market share, or is more of the growth international?

It also implies Indigo thinks they can make a profit off the NEO, despite the issues they have had.

Lightsaber


Probably both, poaching some existing ME3 traffic as well as the growing pie!
 
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Mon May 15, 2017 2:23 pm

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Disappointed at the timings 1pm departure from AMS and 4am departure from BOM (which is HORRIBLE). Basically doesn't open us more options. If you include LHR as a connecting point because of VS, the 9W/KL/AF/VS partnership has 5 flights departing BOM for EU/US all at the same time (more or less). Why???? What is driving this? Is this group just trying to really go after the ME3? Has traffic from BOM and DEL picked up so much?
 
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Mon May 15, 2017 3:47 pm

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Disappointed at the timings 1pm departure from AMS and 4am departure from BOM (which is HORRIBLE). Basically doesn't open us more options. If you include LHR as a connecting point because of VS, the 9W/KL/AF/VS partnership has 5 flights departing BOM for EU/US all at the same time (more or less). Why???? What is driving this? Is this group just trying to really go after the ME3? Has traffic from BOM and DEL picked up so much?


It doesn't take anything back from ME3. Western premium pax doesn't like 9W food and service and elite Indians doesn't get elitist treatment from KL. So both need separate service from BOM and DEL. Modern day segregation.

Both will suffer crappy loads and yields.
 
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Tue May 16, 2017 10:37 am

MIAL proposes expansion at the cost of Rs. 3500 crore. Highlights include:

A new vehicle underpass below the secondary runway that will ferry passengers between the two terminals.
Shifting the ATC Tower to a more secure location in the southern part of the airport (if deemed necessary by security agencies)
A bridge to connect the aircraft parking apron of Terminal T2 to the taxiway leading to the main runway , creating additional holding area for aircraft ready for takeoff

All this is contingent upon clearing at least 20 acres out the total encroached area of 308 acres.

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Arti ... 2017001078
 
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Tue May 16, 2017 2:58 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
Disappointed at the timings 1pm departure from AMS and 4am departure from BOM (which is HORRIBLE). Basically doesn't open us more options. If you include LHR as a connecting point because of VS, the 9W/KL/AF/VS partnership has 5 flights departing BOM for EU/US all at the same time (more or less). Why???? What is driving this? Is this group just trying to really go after the ME3? Has traffic from BOM and DEL picked up so much?


It doesn't take anything back from ME3. Western premium pax doesn't like 9W food and service and elite Indians doesn't get elitist treatment from KL. So both need separate service from BOM and DEL. Modern day segregation.

Both will suffer crappy loads and yields.


AF already flies BOM-CDG, so Skyteam elites have an option of a non Indian airline. If food was the issue, all AF/KL have to do is work with 9W. I don't know where you get the segregation part. A 3X week flight looks to me as just a plain and simple increase in capacity. There's been a lot in the press that EU/US carriers are seeing a drop off in yields between EU-US. I feel like the increase flights to India is probably a direct response to this. They want to maintain their EU/US frequencies and Premium J pax are not going to Norwegian neither are Skyteam captives - so that means they need to fill the cheap seats. Also I do think each new flight by 9W, EU carriers and AI between India and EU/US hurts the ME3. The pax have to come form somewhere. Star has always had a good hold on their pax to/from India. It now looks like Skyteam & 9W FF will have many more options going west as well.
 
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Tue May 16, 2017 4:03 pm

All valid points Caliguy, but none helps to beat ME3 even though they are at their weakest point.

Five main reasons neither US/EU nor Indian carriers will be successful on their own operating a joint flight.

1) Unions
2) TATL JVs
3) Segregated elites
4) Food quality disparity
5) Service quality disparity
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 1:10 am

Correndon Airlines 737-800 flying from DEL to Antalya right now, is it a charter or end of Spice contract?
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 1:22 am

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Correndon Airlines 737-800 flying from DEL to Antalya right now, is it a charter or end of Spice contract?


Either that or scheduled heavy maintenance. SG aircraft regularly fly to East European countries for maintenance - sometimes for months at a time. Parts of their Dash8 fleet were away for months at a time getting some FAA directives fitted out - while at the same time paying the lease fees for the aircraft.

Funny little airline.
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Wed May 17, 2017 11:30 am

Air India's debt burden explained:
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 292_1.html

Its overall debt stands at Rs 52460 crore. Its net worth is negative. Its aircraft project loans have hovered around the same mark of over Rs 22000 crore since the last five years. It’s passenger load factor (PLF) and overall revenues have improved marginally over the years. Losses in 2014-15 stood at Rs 5860 crore. The only profit (of around Rs 15 crore) it ever made in years was in the month of December in 2014 when aviation turbine fuel prices were at an all time low.
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 1:23 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
All valid points Caliguy, but none helps to beat ME3 even though they are at their weakest point.

Five main reasons neither US/EU nor Indian carriers will be successful on their own operating a joint flight.

1) Unions
2) TATL JVs
3) Segregated elites
4) Food quality disparity
5) Service quality disparity


Ok so (1) Unions - while they affect airlines, DL etc all are making tons of money now and they have strong unions. (2) TATL JVs - actually help them as it allows them to coordinate schedules and prices. Example is AF/DL split flights from JFK/EWR to CDG rather than compete with each other. Without the JV you cannot coordinate like that. TATL JVs hurt those outside of the JV. (3) I don't agree with this point, many foreigners fly Indian airlines and many Indians fly foreign airlines - DL/9W/KL/AF are giving their customers choice - which is what is needed - that said, I think the reason KL started BOM has more to do with EU/US traffic need rather than segregated elites (4) Food quality - could be an issue, although I have had really good and bad experiences on DL/AF/KL/9W and (5) yes 9W needs to match DL service standards in J (I think they are better in Y). That said when I flew EY operated by 9W, I thought the Jet crew did a great job. It will all come down to how much DL wants to make the 9W relationship work - if it does, I think all of these services things will be fixed. As of now, I would say DL really wants 9W to work for them.
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 1:31 pm

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(2) TATL JVs - actually help them as it allows them to coordinate schedules and prices. Example is AF/DL split flights from JFK/EWR to CDG rather than compete with each other. Without the JV you cannot coordinate like that. TATL JVs hurt those outside of the JV.


Spot on!

The original rationale for NW-KLM JV was that they were both 'individually' weak across the Atlantic hence they would provide competing block against the dominant hubs/airlines (LHR/FRA/CDG in Europe, AA/UA & their hubs in US). With DL taking over NW and AF taking over KLM, this rationale should not exist and therefore the JV should be annulled.

Nowhere do the Unions seem to have a problem with this.

Instead, they are throwing tantrums at the few flights Norwegian is planning from Ireland/LGW. Obviously a case for unions should not be debarred from anti-trust laws.
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 1:43 pm

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CanadaFair wrote:
Correndon Airlines 737-800 flying from DEL to Antalya right now, is it a charter or end of Spice contract?


Either that or scheduled heavy maintenance. SG aircraft regularly fly to East European countries for maintenance - sometimes for months at a time. Parts of their Dash8 fleet were away for months at a time getting some FAA directives fitted out - while at the same time paying the lease fees for the aircraft.

Funny little airline.


It was the end of their wet lease from Corendon. Not for the reasons you've mentioned above.

The aircraft in question (TC-TJU) was with Spicejet for quite some time.

Apart from the aircraft mentioned above, Spicejet also has TC-TJO operating under Corendon crew.
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 1:45 pm

Air India to commence Mumbai-Nairobi and Mumbai-Frankfurt thrice a week each effective July according to their twitter account.

https://twitter.com/airindiain/status/8 ... 5085794306
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 1:54 pm

TATL JVs served their purpose and are not forward looking. DY and other LHLCCs are going to offer much cheaper prices, rendering them useless. It will be too late for US3 to start taking India seriously. Obviously if H1B is a goner and if India reciprocates by restricting OCIs working in India, travel will go down to 1990 levels.
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 4:33 pm

vadodara wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
(2) TATL JVs - actually help them as it allows them to coordinate schedules and prices. Example is AF/DL split flights from JFK/EWR to CDG rather than compete with each other. Without the JV you cannot coordinate like that. TATL JVs hurt those outside of the JV.


Spot on!

The original rationale for NW-KLM JV was that they were both 'individually' weak across the Atlantic hence they would provide competing block against the dominant hubs/airlines (LHR/FRA/CDG in Europe, AA/UA & their hubs in US). With DL taking over NW and AF taking over KLM, this rationale should not exist and therefore the JV should be annulled.

Nowhere do the Unions seem to have a problem with this.

Instead, they are throwing tantrums at the few flights Norwegian is planning from Ireland/LGW. Obviously a case for unions should not be debarred from anti-trust laws.


In the end the LCCs are here to stay and the US3 know that. The US and EU govts let several other JVs go through after NW/KL - you have LH/UA, AA/BA and AF and AZ were added to the KL/NW JV. So all three alliances have antitrust immunity. You would have to annual all the JVs. The JVs are pretty much how the big legacy carriers are surviving. I can't se either the EU or US governments taking it away as (1) those airlines are huge job providers and drive a lot of economic growth and (2) EU-US is a VERY competitive market and will stay that way for the near future.
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 5:14 pm

Etihad A380 flew to DEL today, its heading back to AUH now.
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 5:21 pm

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Air India to commence Mumbai-Nairobi and Mumbai-Frankfurt thrice a week each effective July according to their twitter account.

https://twitter.com/airindiain/status/8 ... 5085794306


Wow I wonder how 9W feels about BOM-NBO (they could have flown that with a 737). So BOM has seen recent EU ads: Brussels air to BRU, 9W's to AMS & CDG, AI to FRA, KL to AMS. Pretty good. I still think 9W should add BOM-NBO, and they need to start BOM-MAN asap (they even have the VS relationship).
 
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Fri May 19, 2017 3:59 am

PIA are leaving India, DEL service too goes from early June.
 
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Fri May 19, 2017 2:49 pm

April 2017 traffic statistics are out.

Domestic traffic growth was at 15.15% in April 2017 (vis a vis April 2016). IndiGo has recorded its highest ever market share of 41.4% in the month.

http://dgca.nic.in/reports/Traffic-ind.htm
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 23, 2017 4:47 am

More capacity in coming: GoAir to increase fleet size from 24 to 37 by March 2018
http://www.livemint.com/Companies/aK3IT ... f-IPO.html
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 23, 2017 6:03 am

anshabhi wrote:
Could Georgia be the gateway for Indian LCC's to Europe?
India & Georgia recently signed air services agreement. It permits Indian airlines to launch flights from any Indian city to Georgia, and onwards to Europe. Georgia has open skies with EU.
Now see, the position of Georgia is actually very interesting. This is a map of how secondary Indian cities can be connected to Europe by an LCC via Georgia. All the distances lie comfortably in the range of A320.


Love the map.

I believe that most open sky treaties require that the airline be of the nations signing the treaty. In this case, I bet that the treaty only applies to European and Georgian airlines, and not to Indian airlines flying from Georgia.

Also, I think the connectivity is wrong. Almost all secondary cities in India connect to a major Indian city, and major Indian cities already connect to Europe. So if I was an Indian airline, I'd route a secondary-indian-city to Europe passenger over my existing routes, which is probably lower cost than starting new routes. I note that Icelandic airlines gets a small percentage of the America to Europe traffic, and is flown by an Icelandic airline to exercise the treaty rights.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 23, 2017 6:39 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
Well now both AI and SG are screwed. May be AI should order 50 x Do228s before 6E jumps in.

I think Air India should consider expanding their ATR fleet or upgrade it with Dash-8s rather than Do 228s . Q400 Dash-8 is much more fuel efficient than Do 228. Currently ATR-72 is the best selling regional turboprop, but the Dash-8 is overlooked. The Dash-8 is surprisingly better and can carry more passengers, it also has an equivalent range and lager windows. Air India should order 50 x ATR or Dash-8 before 6E does, otherwise they might loose the regional market.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 23, 2017 9:35 am

TheFlyingSamosa wrote:
Q400 Dash-8 is much more fuel efficient than Do 228.

On a Per Seat basis? Sure! But that is assuming most of the 70-80 seats are sold.

The newer 18 seat Do228NG's are intended for routes too small for the ATR.

TheFlyingSamosa wrote:
Currently ATR-72 is the best selling regional turboprop, but the Dash-8 is overlooked.

For a reason. The ATR-72 burns half the trip fuel compared to the Q400 which translates to just a little over 15 mins faster flight times on the longest sectors like JLR-BOM. Some sectors where the Q400 is the only prop that can operate (like IXL) are restricted to Jets for now. In the less-dense config operated by AI, the Q400 only has a 4 seat advantage over the ATR.

The only thing going for the Q400 is the availability of an APU.

The ATR makes more sense.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 23, 2017 9:55 am

Jet Airways continues EU expansion with 3rd daily Mumbai-London Heathrow commencing effective W17

9W116 BOM0905 - 1335LHR 77W D

9W115 LHR1530 - 0555+1BOM 77W D

Bookings open!
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 23, 2017 10:35 am

TheFlyingSamosa wrote:
Air India should order 50 x ATR or Dash-8 before 6E does, otherwise they might loose the regional market.


News reports suggest both Air India Regional and TruJet are having load restrictions on RCS flights.

Per Seat economy is just an aviation manager's gimmick when they are trouble. PDEW and BELF are two important factors in choosing right size aircraft.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 23, 2017 11:26 am

unrave wrote:
MIAL proposes expansion at the cost of Rs. 3500 crore. Highlights include:

.....

Shifting the ATC Tower to a more secure location in the southern part of the airport (if deemed necessary by security agencies)


How do then plan to 'Shift' the ATC tower? I don't follow.
If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 23, 2017 12:01 pm

Air India formally announces Delhi-Stockholm effective 16AUG17

AI167 DEL1400 - 1820ARN 788 357

AI168 ARN2105 - 0745+1DEL 788 357

Bookings have now commenced!
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - May 2017

Tue May 23, 2017 3:03 pm

Effective 1 July 17 SQ421/422 to BOM will be operated by A359 instead of 777-200/ER

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... july-2017/
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