mika
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CO Express Salaries?

Sat Feb 16, 2002 12:44 pm

What kind of salary does FO's and Capt. on Continental Express get? And is there a big difference (if any) between the same jobs on a turboprop (ATR, B1900) or a jet like a CRJ? Just curious.  Smile
 
ILS
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sat Feb 16, 2002 1:01 pm

CO flies ERJ's not CRJs. There is a CO EX pilot that will help you out when he replies.
 
Av8trxx
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 5:49 am

First Officer Monthly Pay by Year and Equipment

BE-1900 EMB-120 ATR 42 ERJ-135 ERJ-145
1 1,557 1,557 1,557 1,557 1,557
2 1,756 1,756 1,756 2,208 2,208
5 2,257 2,257 2,257 2,581 2,581
10 2,358 2,358 2,358 2,623 2,623

Captain Monthly Pay by Year and Equipment
1 2,380 2,892 3,377 3,636 4,108
2 2,485 3,021 3,667 3,745 4,231
5 2,752 3,407 3,957 4,091 4,623
10 3,127 4,045 4,439 4,728 5,308
 
ryanb741
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 9:44 am

That sucks! Are pilots that underpaid in the USA? Heck, if I'd gone through all that training and assessments I would want a lot more than that!
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
 
ILS
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 9:48 am

I must say the above table is a little confusing. If you are wondering if the pilots make $4,000 a year, then that is not correct.

FO: Maybe $25,000 - $40,000

Captain: $40,000-$50,000

These are just guesses and if anything I overestimated.

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ryanb741
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 9:54 am

No, I knew it was monthly, it's just that $25,000 per year is about £17,000, and that SUCKS TOTALLY for a professional like a pilot, who has to undergo constant fear that a health check etc will render all those years of training useless.

People who drive the Underground (subway) trains here in London make £30,000 per year ($USD 45,000) and they have like 6 months training, tops!
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
 
flyf15
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 9:57 am

According to the table:

FO: $18700-$31500
Capt: $28600-$63700
 
cv640
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 10:19 am

That's more then I made as a first year FO with Northwest Airlink, about $17,000
 
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 12:03 pm

The sun shield in an AMR Eagle ATR said it best... "Will work for food."
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SophieMaltese
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 12:18 pm

A CO Express captain (on an ATR42) would make about $45k/year if he flies his guaranteed minimum 75 hours a month. I think the FO makes about half as much. These figure may not be exact but should be pretty accurate.
 
Russianplnelvr
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 12:18 pm

We all know regional guys in the U.S. get paid dirt, but what about regional pilots in Europe?
 
Alpha 1
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 12:25 pm

No disrespect intended, but the majority of the COEX Pilots/FO's are, in essence, kids. The inside joke is that most of them stop flying after 9pm because they have to be home to do their homework for school the next day  Smile

It's the training ground, where you pay your dues, literally, when you're trying to gain hours to make the jump to mainline. It's just the way it is.
 
mika
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Sun Feb 17, 2002 1:21 pm

It's the training ground, where you pay your dues, literally, when you're trying to gain hours to make the jump to mainline. It's just the way it is.

This seems to make a lot of sense.  Smile
 
ramper@iah
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 12:51 am

"No disrespect intended, but the majority of the COEX Pilots/FO's are, in essence, kids."

Yes, that comment was disrespectful. Kids dont't fly airliners, professional pilots do.
 
azjubilee
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 12:55 am

I wouldn't exactly call it "training ground". We did that in the sim, like mainline and we did it on OE, like mainline. We aren't flying 15 seat turbo props anymore at the regionals. We are flying jets that are sometimes more sophisticated than mainline jets. We carry the same people who pay the same money to fly on our planes as they do on yours. It is one ticket usually. I fully understand it is an entry level position, but we deserve to be paid as professionals, not interns or understudies or "people in training." Livable wages and better work rules are mandatory... because we do the exact same thing as mainline pilots do and it is about time we're compensated for it. I don't need 100K a year, that's in my future, I just need enough to actually cover my bills every month...

AZJ
 
cv640
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 1:44 am

I guess I should change my PA from, welcome aboard your flight to such and such,
instead I'll say welcome aboard my training flight where I'm learning how to fly, so nice of you to join and observe me
HA
 
IAHERJ
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 5:02 am

I'd expect a comment like that from Alpha1. Read some of his previous posts on similar topics. For the record, I'm in my 4th year at Express and am a captain on the EMB-145. My W-2 for 2001 which was split half and half from EMB-120 captain and ERJ captain showed a taxable income of 55,000. I did not fly much overtime at all and most of my time on the ERJ has been spent on reserve getting the minimum salary. 55,000 is not a lot of money for the responsibility we endure on a day to day basis. I think this will change on the next contract which is comming up very shortly, so I won't complain on this board about the pay. The company is for the most part great to work for. We run one hell of an operation for a "regional". 6 of our jets already have ACARS and we get a new jet every week and 2 jets a week get the retrofit. We use jetways at almost all of the cities we serve and at all our hubs. We are one of the only regionals to serve meals at breakfast, lunch and dinner on our jets. We are going to be spun off in the next few months and we could operate flights for other mainline carriers or in our own livery (Expressjet Airlines). Who knows what the future will bring to Continental Express. I know the pay will have to come up for our pilots. I respect the agents and ground personnal on this board but disagree with the statement about this being a place to "pay your dues". We have no career progression to CAL anymore. We are the only employee group that could not transfer between the mainline and Express in the past and it will become even more difficult in the future. I don't really care as I have always planned on staying here for a few years then transitioning to a major carrier like Northwest/Delta/American. This has all changed and me and many other pilots are working hard to make Continental Express a great airline for a career. Nobody looses this way.

Realistic pay rates based on holding a line at Continental Express

F/O
1st year 20,000
2nd year 35,000

CA ( 4th year as that is how long it takes to upgrade these days)
4th year Jet 52,000
5th year Jet 55,000

Fly more overtime and you can easily make 65,000 as a jet captain. However nobody chooses to fly overtime much these days as we have furloughte pilots on the street that need to come back as well as hundreds of reserve pilots that only fly 15 hours a month.

Hope this helps.
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Continental
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 6:39 am

damn! I'm going to need 2 jobs!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Continental
 
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 8:42 am

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your first officer. WE're lever at 35,000 feet now enroute to Montreal. We have roughly 2 hours and 30 minutes left in the flight. Sit back relax and enjoy the flight. Oh by the way, I'm just in training in this 30 million dollar jet. It is the captains leg and therefore I'm relegated to the PA annoucements and flap operation. But rest assured, I'm getting lots of practice for when I grow up and can be a first officer at a major airline... curiously doing the exact same thing I am now. In the meantime, enjoy your inflight meal service, nonregional jet like atmosphere on a regional jet and don't let it bother you that I spent 5 weeks eating, breathing this airplane during training. I am fully qualified. Oh and by the way, leave some money in the tip jar upon your disembarkation. Some people feel I am worthy of the peanuts I get paid. After all I AM just in training. Thanks again for chosing Northwest Airlink, operated by Mesaba Airlines.

I couldn't resist... CV640 opend a can of worms.

Continental: don't bother with a second job, its hard to tell another employer they're second tier and that you need 4 days off every once in a while and when on reserve are attatched to a phone or pager for 14 hours at a time. YOu need a home based business!!

To tout the RJ85's horn... we have Acars and 2 CDUs in all our planes, jetway boarding at most airports, a first class cabin, a coach class cabin that feels like first, meals on longer flights (only in FC now, due to the cutbacks) and full size overhead bins!! Not bad eh, for a trainer?

AZJ
 
cv640
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 9:53 am

Good one Azjubilee. As for a second job, I took one and do know of quite a few at different airlines that have as well
 
Alpha 1
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 9:55 am

Ramerp@iah, I said it was not meant as disrespectful, and that's what I meant, OK? I've seen some of these guys-they're very, very young. Does that mean they're not qualified? No, it doesn't. But it means that many of them are doing their first go-around with the jets, and that IS their training ground for mainline jets. It's your problem if you don't like the comment, not mine.
 
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 11:54 am

Yes, COEX pilots are young, but by virtue of the fact that they ARE professionals, they don't deserve to be called "kids".

It is true, however, that COEX is almost a "proving ground" for the mainline, and really allows younger pilots to sharpen their skills and develop into very good pilots when they make "the jump" regular CO-branded operations. I have come into contact with some excellent pilots running COEX for the time being, people whom I believe will grow into some of Continental's best pilots. In a way, flying COEX is more intense than mainline, with busy schedules, tight turnarounds, and lower pay; surviving this will translate into greater success and responsibility on big jets in the future. For that reason, I have tremendous respect for the guys down at COEX.

A good analogy for this particular situation might be the training-wheels on a bicycle: You have to start out with them, and it takes a lot more effort to keep up with the big boys, but once you get past them, you look back on them, and realize what a great tool it was.
 
Russianplnelvr
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 12:13 pm

What kind of second jobs do pilots apply for?
 
ramper@iah
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 12:39 pm

posted by 777gk:
"it takes a lot more effort to keep up with the big boys"

And what's that supposed to mean? Do you think flying a 777 is more difficult than flying a smaller jet? Nope, the same skills are needed. The CALEX fleet does not have "training wheels" as you suggest. It's funny how all of the flow-backs from CAL are now labeled as "kids." And, as for the effort it takes to keep up with the big boys, I'm sure some CALEX pilots are eating as much as they can to get those big guts so they can fit in with the CAL guys. Can you button your uniform coat?
 
cv640
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 12:58 pm

Here in Memphis we have some that work over at FedEx at night or even a few mechanics and gate agents for NWA.
 
Av8trxx
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RE: CO Ex Salaries

Mon Feb 18, 2002 1:28 pm

Yes, it is by month, and the figures are provided by Air Inc. Didn't notice I put 'yearly salaries' til too late, but you guys got the picture and figured out my error..... And yes, regional pilots ARE underpaid!
 
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 2:01 pm

Ramper@iah-your attitude really sucks, you know that? Every time someone says something, you take some offense to it. Guess what? Many of these COEX pilots are in their early 20's, and to someone like me, old enough to be their father, that makes them "kids". You need an attitude overhaul, or you'll burn out. God, chill a little.
 
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Mon Feb 18, 2002 2:58 pm

major pilots areover paid, and express pilots are underpaid.whats up with that?
 
IAHERJ
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 1:46 am

I think 777gk was trying to be positive here. I thank him for that. Sure, we're young for the most part. Hell I was 23 when I checked out in the left seat of the Brasilia and 25 when I finished captain training on the RJ. I'm sure many gate agents joke about us behind our backs. That's actually flattering. I'd rather be young and flying a 50 seat jet around at 37,000 feet than old and relegated to a position on the ground for less pay. No offense intended here either Alpha1. These young kids are college graduates and the younger they are the more effort they put in at an early age to get to COEX as soon as they graduated. Some graduated early and started at COEX at 21. I know as I've interviewed many of them. The funny thing is that you don't hear the COEX pilots sitting around stereotyping the gate agents or other ground personnel. We respect your jobs and know that the majority of you respect us and our jobs. Some will always be bitter and that is truly sad.

Alpha1, I hope I run into you the next time a trip takes me through CLE. You are probably a nice guy who got treated like crap from one of our young guys with an attitude. I know we have them. I'd like to buy you a beer if you drink and try to make you see our pilot group in a different way. Your past comments regarding pilots in general seem to be negative. Beer always seems to help. Take care.
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Alpha 1
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 12:03 pm

Alpha1, I hope I run into you the next time a trip takes me through CLE. You are probably a nice guy who got treated like crap from one of our young guys with an attitude. I know we have them. I'd like to buy you a beer if you drink and try to make you see our pilot group in a different way.

I don't like the pilots as a union group, IAHERJ. I have nothing against any of them as individuals. I like most of those young guys. Most treat me quite well, thank you, and I think someone misrepresented my statement about them being kids as negative, which is wasn't. I'll buy you the beer, though-I don't drink.  Smile
 
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 4:09 pm

For a minute there I thought this was going to turn into an Ssl argument Big grin...Whew!

IAHERJ Your perspective on this topic is dead-on correct, IMHO. For some reason many mainline pilots (Alpha 1, I'm NOT referring to you) seem to forget about when they were in the right seat of a EMB-110 or a Shorts paying their dues with no autopilot dodging level 4's and the ice at the low altitudes. To me this is more challenging than anything. During my 3 years at COEX some of the people I gained the most respect for were the Beech drivers who were doing 7-8 leg days with nothing but quickturns and no autopilot. I can only imagine what those ABE turns were like with no blue room.

Within a year COEX will span the entire continental US, a good chunk of Canada and most of Mexico. This is NOT the stepping stone regional environment of the 70's and 80's. Its time that airlines like COEX are viewed as National Airlines instead of a minor league regional operation. With the IPO imminent, and the economic conditions as they are, its important to view your career at COEX as just that...A CAREER.

I hope the contract works out. Not a day goes by that I don't miss the COEX family and the professionalism that surrounds its members. Unfortunately, the furloughs got the best of my Sprvsr job and I had to move on.

Cheers,
Markus

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Not hard
 
IAHERJ
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RE: CO Express Salaries?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 1:32 am

Alpha1,
Thanks for the reply and I can understand your concern with unions. I can think of only 1 regional of any size that operates without a union. Skywest. Unions are a neccessary evil to most of us pilots as well. I was brought up with a negative perspective towards unions but ended up choosing a career field in which I will be a dues paying member until age 60. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that subject as you and I can do nothing to change the collective bargaining structure in which pilots/mechanics/FA's work under.

Markus, your name sounds very familiar. I hope you get back sooner rather than later. I'm reading every day about COEX/CAL restoring service and hope that sparks some recalls all over the system. I had several close friends in management downtown from my time in the recruiting department. I know the management group got hit hard and unlike most unionized employees don't necessarily get recall rights. I do have faith that COEX management ( which I think is the best in the regional business) will bring most of the furloughte/laid off people back. Some of my friends have opted to go to Southwest for positions in marketing etc. I doubt they'll return but like you they all miss the family and that says a lot about a large company spread out like we are.
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