yp6370
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AUA To Kabul

Sat Feb 16, 2002 9:28 pm

Austrian Airlines has specific plans to start service to Kabul as first western airline as soon as the infastructure at the airport is rebuilt and a permission of the military for scheduled flights is given.

Source: "Die Presse/APA" http://www.diepresse.at/news/newsline_detail.asp?ID=40404

What do you think about scheduled service from Europe to Afghanistan (load factor, safety...)?

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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sat Feb 16, 2002 10:05 pm


Wow, now this surprises me. Ok they won't have any competition but still it sounds crazy. Who wants to go to Kabul ? Is there a business demand ? Because I somehow doubt many toursit will be going there.
They could use an A319 and stop over somewhere.
 
karliboy
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sat Feb 16, 2002 10:10 pm

Wouldn't Afghanistan now be an 'emerging market' with lots of financial backers, banks and companies wanting to set up there...this happened a lot when i worked for Chase Manhattan Bank especially with Kazakhstan....the merchant banks almost filled the Lufthansa flights to Almaty!

Karl
 
md-87er
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 1:45 am

I think it was in another Austrian newspaper already a month ago. And if I remember it right they just want to make a stop on their flight to Kathmandu. (operated in the moment with 767-300 from Lauda-Air)
And that flight is only once per week (high season 2x). So it doesn't seem to be a big financial risk.
 
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 2:17 am

I'm sure lots of Afgans who live in Europe would take the service. Austrian is a bit of a surprise though. I was more or less expecting, Lufthansa or British Mediterannean.
 
717fan
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:36 am

I am not sure if that works. VIE-Kabul?? Enough passengers?? Would be nice if it works, but IMO AUA has greater problems to discuss.....
 
Hoffa
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:47 am

I'm not really suprised by this at all...Austrian is an Eastern Europe and Central Asian specialist that serves more destinations like Baku, Almaty, Sarajevo etc than any other European airline.

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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:50 am

Almaty flights are realtively highyield due to the gas industry, in the same with flights to Lagos are!The GDP per cap is $300 in Nigeria!
 
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:51 am

MD80s would make sense for this route though.
 
racko
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 5:19 am

This doesn't surprise me, as AUA wants to expand it's destinations in the east and asia. That's their special role in the Star Alliance.
 
deltairlines
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 5:47 am

I am surprised that AUA is the first airline wanting to pull this off, I was also thinking of BMed due to the high percentage of BA routes to the area with BMed, maybe a possible extension of the Tehran flight?

Jeff
 
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 6:25 am

I don't think the MD-80 can make this trip.

Afghanistan is pretty different than Kazakystan because the latter had/had tremendous oil and gas reserves that excited Europe and America. Afghanistan has none of that and relatively little wealth at all. It's almost like investing in the middle of the Pacifc Ocean, there is little there that would excite western businessmen.

Also, I think Afghanistan is still a really dangerous place, government assassinations, meless at the soccer game, a firefight with the UK troops. I'd give it time before it becomes a safe destination.

tnnh
 
md-87er
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 6:40 am

Hoffa wrote:
....Austrian is an Eastern Europe and Central Asian specialist that serves more destinations like Baku, Almaty, Sarajevo etc than any other European airline.

Sure, i agree that OS is an Eastern Europe and Central Asian specialist, but you choose the wrong cities to prove it, as they don't fly to Baku and Almaty.
(Almaty was stopped, when they stopped flying A310)
But they do fly to a lot of other cities like:
Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Chisinau, Anapa, Yerevan, Tbilisi ot Tehran to name a few in the region. (and Sarajevo  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)
 
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 6:41 am

I don't think this is a very strange move. They were the first (or at least one of the first) airline to fly to Pristina in Yugoslavia. Moreover they've been the first to fly to an ex war zone before and this comes as no real suprise.

BTW isn't Austrian also the only European airline to fly to Aleppo (Syria)?

Regards
Laurens
 
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 6:43 am

Contraray to what you say Twaneedsnohelp, the gas pipelines from Central Asia have to pass through Afghanistan, so the development potentail is there. The U.S Commercial Counsellar inpakistan has even asked the govt. to start PIA flights to Kabul to facilitate all the sundry that are going to participate in the development to have the services of a "good airline" to teh country in his words.
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 6:47 am

Is there a lot of United Nations employees on these flights?

I agree I don't think this will be a very safe place to be. With the possibility of the Taliban regrouping and the continued threat of land mines, I don't see how there can be much business opportunity.
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airmale
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 6:57 am

U.N personnel travel mostly from Pakistan on 50 seat AN24s leased by the U.N. the other aid agency personnel have to pay 1200 Dollars return to fly on the U.N planes from Islamabad to Kabul and seats are hard to get. So PIA is losing out too by not flying there.
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vfw614
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 9:17 pm

1. Lufthansa is going to provide feed from Germany for those flights

2. AUA is targeting UN travel

3. It is more of a mid-term project, I have heard 2003 mentioned as a start-up date.
 
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 10:00 pm

Vienna is well known as the palce where several terrorist organisations have their headquarteres. And these guys need to travel.  Smokin cool
 
md-87er
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Sun Feb 17, 2002 10:27 pm

B744F, which facts do you have in mind to make such a statement:
Vienna is well known as the palce where several terrorist organisations have their headquarteres.

Well, the OPEC has it's headquarter in Vienna and after New York and Geneva Vienna is the third UN-city.
Vienna is one of the safest cities in the world, not a center of international terror!
 
airmale
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Mon Feb 18, 2002 6:43 am

I think Bmed(BA) or Lufthansa will beat them to it.
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planeguy
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Mon Feb 18, 2002 8:58 am

Let's see, we'd have UN personnel, diplomats, financiers, a very large Afghan expat community both in Europe and N. America, technicians, advisers and journalists. Yup, I'd say OS would do well in this market. This could turn out to be a nice high-yield route that would compliment their current presence in the region. So they'd definitely enjoy a first-mover advantage.
 
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Mon Feb 18, 2002 5:38 pm

I wouldn´t be surprised OS will once again start a marked while others are waiting in the background. Lot´s of eastern european and middle east cities have been served with OS as a pioneer.
Regards
 
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RE: AUA To Kabul

Mon Feb 18, 2002 9:47 pm

What you said Planeguy, puts Bmed(BA) and Lufthansa in a better position to start the route rather than Austrian, who ever does, I wish them success.
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