AA747123
Topic Author
Posts: 46
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:15 pm

Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 7:43 pm

With new ULH aircrafts coming for Qantas they should be able to launch SYD ORD. With it being a ow hub it should be ok.
 
jetmatt777
Support
Posts: 3269
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:16 am

Re: Will Quantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 7:53 pm

I believe it is a stated goal once new aircraft arrive that have the range.
Lighten up while you still can, don't even try to understand, just find a place to make your stand and take it easy
 
User avatar
787fan8
Posts: 450
Joined: Thu May 01, 2014 8:05 pm

Re: Will Quantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 7:56 pm

When the -9's come into the fleet, then it will be possible.
Atlanta is an incredibly cool city - Andrew Lincoln
 
luckyone
Posts: 2394
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:50 pm

Re: Will Quantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 8:07 pm

What would be the benefit compared the existing nonstop service to DFW? DFW has a clear benefit vs. LAX in terms of connections, but ORD doesn't offer connections that aren't already available.
 
777PHX
Posts: 459
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:36 am

Re: Will Quantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 9:07 pm

luckyone wrote:
What would be the benefit compared the existing nonstop service to DFW? DFW has a clear benefit vs. LAX in terms of connections, but ORD doesn't offer connections that aren't already available.


None, other than O&D.

However, QF has said in the past that direct service to ORD is on their wish list.
 
User avatar
OA412
Moderator
Posts: 4284
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2000 6:22 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 9:22 pm

The thread title has been corrected. Please keep all future posts on topic. Thanks!
Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
 
dmstorm22
Posts: 153
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:49 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 9:26 pm

They can. I believe the goal would be to serve -JFK and -ORD non-stop when aircraft capable arrive. Whether ORD has the O&D to make the route work, I'm not sure. Most connecting traffic can already be funneled through DFW/LAX already.
 
smi0006
Posts: 1463
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:45 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 9:30 pm

I believe outside their mega hub at LAX, SFO is the second most high yielding g city - which thy currently serve.

I believe ORD has the largest demand and highest yield of US cities they don't serve... not sure where it sits in comparison to JFK, and DFW.
 
User avatar
United787
Posts: 2428
Joined: Fri May 20, 2005 12:20 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 9:40 pm

ORD-SYD would be 683 nm further than SFO-SIN... is that even possible on the 789?
 
User avatar
kngkyle
Moderator
Posts: 434
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:33 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 10:04 pm

Who will be first, Qantas to SYD or Air New Zealand to AKL?
 
User avatar
RL777
Posts: 619
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:43 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 10:21 pm

United787 wrote:
ORD-SYD would be 683 nm further than SFO-SIN... is that even possible on the 789?


It would be stretching it to the limit, I'll wait for somebody else to chime on the numbers.
 
smi0006
Posts: 1463
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:45 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 10:25 pm

kngkyle wrote:
Who will be first, Qantas to SYD or Air New Zealand to AKL?


My money is on NZ - they have a couple of premium config 789 that should be able to make it. If see ORD and GRU/GIG next up for NZ.
 
User avatar
csturdiv
Posts: 1836
Joined: Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:33 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 10:32 pm

dmstorm22 wrote:
They can. I believe the goal would be to serve -JFK and -ORD non-stop when aircraft capable arrive. Whether ORD has the O&D to make the route work, I'm not sure. Most connecting traffic can already be funneled through DFW/LAX already.


As a former Chicago area resident who travelled to SYD, I prefer DFW than LAX. LAX is a pile of steaming...

A nice non-stop from SYD to ORD would be nice, long, but nice.
An American expat from the ORD area living and working in SYD
 
USAirALB
Posts: 1807
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:46 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 11:09 pm

Remember that QF announced MEL-ORD via LAX on the 747-400ER back in November 2002. The flight was to operated 3x a week.
RJ85, F70, E135, E140, E145, E70, E75, E90, CR2, CR7, CR9, 717, 732, 733, 734, 735, 73G, 738, 739, 752, 753, 762, 772, 77W, 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 343, 388
 
User avatar
RyanairGuru
Posts: 6982
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:59 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 11:23 pm

smi0006 wrote:
I believe outside their mega hub at LAX, SFO is the second most high yielding g city - which thy currently serve.

I believe ORD has the largest demand and highest yield of US cities they don't serve... not sure where it sits in comparison to JFK, and DFW.


I don't know about yields but SFO is the second largest O&D market to Australia.

1) LA
*massive gap*
2) San Francisco
3) NYC
*massive gap*
Everywhere else

LAX is still massively dominant in terms of South Pacifc demand, and that will never change. While more non-stops to other cities will be great, LAX will continue to be largest market in terms of capacity and frequency.
Worked Hard, Flew Right
 
ZK-NBT
Posts: 5688
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2000 5:42 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 11:26 pm

RL777 wrote:
United787 wrote:
ORD-SYD would be 683 nm further than SFO-SIN... is that even possible on the 789?


It would be stretching it to the limit, I'll wait for somebody else to chime on the numbers.


Agree I'll wait for the numbers to for the 789 but with QF considering an aircraft capable of SYD/MEL-LHR there will be other routes aswell like SYD-ORD/JFK with those same aircraft. Be it 778 or A359ULR.


smi0006 wrote:
kngkyle wrote:
Who will be first, Qantas to SYD or Air New Zealand to AKL?


My money is on NZ - they have a couple of premium config 789 that should be able to make it. If see ORD and GRU/GIG next up for NZ.


I agree. Think we will see QF there aswell though by 2025 or so.
 
Arion640
Posts: 540
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:15 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Wed May 17, 2017 11:40 pm

smi0006 wrote:
kngkyle wrote:
Who will be first, Qantas to SYD or Air New Zealand to AKL?


My money is on NZ - they have a couple of premium config 789 that should be able to make it. If see ORD and GRU/GIG next up for NZ.


Someone even suggested LAS for NZ, then extending it to London. But this will just dilute the traffic to London they send through LAX.
319 320 321 346 388 733 744 752 753 763 772 77E 773 77W 788 E175 E195 F70 DH8C DH8D AT75
 
globalcabotage
Posts: 510
Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:42 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Thu May 18, 2017 12:08 am

Arion640 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
kngkyle wrote:
Who will be first, Qantas to SYD or Air New Zealand to AKL?


My money is on NZ - they have a couple of premium config 789 that should be able to make it. If see ORD and GRU/GIG next up for NZ.


Someone even suggested LAS for NZ, then extending it to London. But this will just dilute the traffic to London they send through LAX.


QF and NZ will both be at ORD, it's just when. NZ has a slight advantage as it is shorter and well within the 789 range.

AKL-LAS-LHR won't happen. This has been flow via LAX for years and won't change. Remember the short lived (albeit 20+ years ago AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW route)? LAX is the stop.

ORD has O&D along with alliances and more connections to the populous northeast, eastern Canada, and the British Isles (for NZ).

Long flights, but we'll see them at some time.
 
ZK-NBT
Posts: 5688
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2000 5:42 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Thu May 18, 2017 12:10 am

Arion640 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
kngkyle wrote:
Who will be first, Qantas to SYD or Air New Zealand to AKL?


My money is on NZ - they have a couple of premium config 789 that should be able to make it. If see ORD and GRU/GIG next up for NZ.


Someone even suggested LAS for NZ, then extending it to London. But this will just dilute the traffic to London they send through LAX.


NZ have been said to be considering LAS but it's not a star hub so ORD/DEN make more sense although LAS would have more O&D, but in future if LAS grows a bit more O&D than what it is now then you never no. No idea where the idea of LAS-LHR came from but defiantly a no go. NZ probably wouldn't be to worried about the AKL-LHR traffic there is a lot of it but NZ generally try and sell AKL-LAX and LAX-LHR as 2 seperate sectors which generates higher yeilds.
 
tealnz
Posts: 118
Joined: Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:47 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Thu May 18, 2017 2:40 am

Maybe a little early to judge whether the 789 is commercially viable on SYD-ORD. We don't yet know whether QF can do full pax PER-LHR year round (can anyone see if they are blocking seats westbound?) and ORD-SYD is 200nm further again. UA seem to be at the edge of full-pax range with SFO-SIN (7300nm great circle) and LAX-MEL (6900nm) westbound with winter winds and SYD-ORD is over 8000nm. NZ? Their new 789s are still a high density configuration (full pax should be ~4t heavier than QF) and ORD is 700nm further than IAH. Might still be a stretch unless they're prepared to block seats.
 
Taco2sDay
Posts: 73
Joined: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:27 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Fri May 19, 2017 12:12 am

789 can do AKL-ORD, not sure about SYD-ORD unless it is less seats.
 
BoeingGuy
Posts: 4559
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:01 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Fri May 19, 2017 3:11 am

USAirALB wrote:
Remember that QF announced MEL-ORD via LAX on the 747-400ER back in November 2002. The flight was to operated 3x a week.


I remember that. I was about to reply that QF once served ORD, but you are saying it didn't start?
 
smi0006
Posts: 1463
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:45 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Fri May 19, 2017 3:20 am

I would think ORD is the next natural US destination for QF in the future. After that I see them increasing departure points and frequency ex-AU can't see any other US ports in the next 5-10 years.
I'd rather see them fill out SFO and DFW from MEL/BNE, and An extra JFK-SYD non-stop before anything else.
 
Gemuser
Posts: 4623
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:07 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Fri May 19, 2017 3:37 am

IF a revised QF/AA JV is approved I really don't see any new NA ports for QF. YVR will probably increase in frequency & go year round, but that's about it. IF it is NOT approved then ORD MIGHT be a possibility, although IMHO SEA & MEX are more likely.

Gemuser
 
ZK-NBT
Posts: 5688
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2000 5:42 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Fri May 19, 2017 7:42 am

Gemuser wrote:
IF a revised QF/AA JV is approved I really don't see any new NA ports for QF. YVR will probably increase in frequency & go year round, but that's about it. IF it is NOT approved then ORD MIGHT be a possibility, although IMHO SEA & MEX are more likely.

Gemuser


SEA and MEX what do they give QF? Not one world hubs whereas AA are fairly large at ORD. you would expect YVR to be made yearround at some point with a 789 given they do serve it during peak times.

BoeingGuy wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Remember that QF announced MEL-ORD via LAX on the 747-400ER back in November 2002. The flight was to operated 3x a week.


I remember that. I was about to reply that QF once served ORD, but you are saying it didn't start?


No it didn't start, I think they announced it twice? Or it was delayed once before being being pulled? They planned to start AKL-DFW with the 744ER back then aswell, never actually officially announced though. Interesting it took them another 8-9 years before they did start DFW so it was in the plans for a while.
 
Gemuser
Posts: 4623
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:07 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Fri May 19, 2017 12:55 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
IF a revised QF/AA JV is approved I really don't see any new NA ports for QF. YVR will probably increase in frequency & go year round, but that's about it. IF it is NOT approved then ORD MIGHT be a possibility, although IMHO SEA & MEX are more likely.

Gemuser


SEA and MEX what do they give QF? Not one world hubs whereas AA are fairly large at ORD. you would expect YVR to be made yearround at some point with a 789 given they do serve it during peak times.

SEA is an AS hub. It is the next largest city on the west coast. It plugs a west coast hole. I don't see ORD connections being that attractive given DFW, what better connections can ORD offer?
MEX is a large market. I don't think it will be very soon and less than daily but the B789 makes it more likely.

Gemuser
 
cedarjet
Posts: 8220
Joined: Mon May 24, 1999 1:12 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Fri May 19, 2017 2:56 pm

SYD-YVR will happen first
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
AA623BDLSJU
Posts: 353
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2003 2:16 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Fri May 19, 2017 9:59 pm

Didn't QF fly SYD-YVR?
 
ZK-NBT
Posts: 5688
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2000 5:42 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Fri May 19, 2017 10:11 pm

AA623BDLSJU wrote:
Didn't QF fly SYD-YVR?


They do seasonally and have for a few years now in DEC-JAN and July-AUG. they also did SYD-SFO-YVR a few years ago, in the early 2000's when they ended a long term partnership with CP , QF did SYD-HNL-YVR and SYD-HNL-YYZ on 763's a few times a week each. Before that they probably did serve YVR at some point in the 1970's/80's?

This is more about she QF will go year round which the 789 seems the right aircraft for but the first batch is probably to premium heavy, less J than the 744 but the 744 has plenty of Y seats but overall to big for a yearround service.
 
USAirALB
Posts: 1807
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:46 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Sat May 20, 2017 2:13 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
IF a revised QF/AA JV is approved I really don't see any new NA ports for QF. YVR will probably increase in frequency & go year round, but that's about it. IF it is NOT approved then ORD MIGHT be a possibility, although IMHO SEA & MEX are more likely.

Gemuser


SEA and MEX what do they give QF? Not one world hubs whereas AA are fairly large at ORD. you would expect YVR to be made yearround at some point with a 789 given they do serve it during peak times.

BoeingGuy wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Remember that QF announced MEL-ORD via LAX on the 747-400ER back in November 2002. The flight was to operated 3x a week.


I remember that. I was about to reply that QF once served ORD, but you are saying it didn't start?


No it didn't start, I think they announced it twice? Or it was delayed once before being being pulled? They planned to start AKL-DFW with the 744ER back then aswell, never actually officially announced though. Interesting it took them another 8-9 years before they did start DFW so it was in the plans for a while.


Indeed. They had planned to fly SYD-AKL-DFW with the 744ER when they first received the bird back in 2002. They announced it as part of a press release when they formed a major codeshare/marketing agreement with AA. The downturn of business travel after 9/11 canceled those plans.
RJ85, F70, E135, E140, E145, E70, E75, E90, CR2, CR7, CR9, 717, 732, 733, 734, 735, 73G, 738, 739, 752, 753, 762, 772, 77W, 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 343, 388
 
SFOATLFlyer
Posts: 130
Joined: Fri May 12, 2017 9:51 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Sat May 20, 2017 2:21 am

kngkyle wrote:
Who will be first, Qantas to SYD or Air New Zealand to AKL?


Neither make sense to me. However NZ would probably happen first. UA doesn't have the same level of connections at IAH that AA does at DFW.
 
ZK-NBT
Posts: 5688
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2000 5:42 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Sat May 20, 2017 2:43 am

SFOATLFlyer wrote:
kngkyle wrote:
Who will be first, Qantas to SYD or Air New Zealand to AKL?


Neither make sense to me. However NZ would probably happen first. UA doesn't have the same level of connections at IAH that AA does at DFW.


NZ already serve IAH, ORD seems like a logical next step. QF have planned it in the past via LAX and will at some stage have an aircraft that can do it from SYD non stop.
 
Gemuser
Posts: 4623
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:07 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Sat May 20, 2017 3:07 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
SFOATLFlyer wrote:
kngkyle wrote:
Who will be first, Qantas to SYD or Air New Zealand to AKL?


Neither make sense to me. However NZ would probably happen first. UA doesn't have the same level of connections at IAH that AA does at DFW.


NZ already serve IAH, ORD seems like a logical next step. QF have planned it in the past via LAX and will at some stage have an aircraft that can do it from SYD non stop.

While QF did plan ORD it was now many years ago and there has been a major development that would affect that decision, and that is the development and deepening relationship between QF & AAand the start of SYD-DFW, both of which IMHO render ORD less likely.

Gemuser
 
ZK-NBT
Posts: 5688
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2000 5:42 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Sat May 20, 2017 3:12 am

Interesting I would see it as more likely if the JV gets approved so the JV can offer more PTP travel rather than relying on 1 or 2 main hubs.
 
globalcabotage
Posts: 510
Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:42 pm

Re: Will Quantas ever serve ORD

Sat May 20, 2017 3:20 am

luckyone wrote:
What would be the benefit compared the existing nonstop service to DFW? DFW has a clear benefit vs. LAX in terms of connections, but ORD doesn't offer connections that aren't already available.


Poor ORD. Only has multiple nonstops to NE cities that can't be reached from DFW or LAX.
 
Gemuser
Posts: 4623
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:07 pm

Re: Will Quantas ever serve ORD

Sat May 20, 2017 7:50 am

globalcabotage wrote:
luckyone wrote:
What would be the benefit compared the existing nonstop service to DFW? DFW has a clear benefit vs. LAX in terms of connections, but ORD doesn't offer connections that aren't already available.


Poor ORD. Only has multiple nonstops to NE cities that can't be reached from DFW or LAX.

Which ones and do they have much demand to Australia? [Genuine question because I cab't think of any that meet BOTH conditions]

Gemuser
 
User avatar
LAX772LR
Posts: 9447
Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:06 pm

Re: Will Quantas ever serve ORD

Sun May 21, 2017 7:52 am

globalcabotage wrote:
Poor ORD. Only has multiple nonstops to NE cities that can't be reached from DFW or LAX.

That maybe generate a whole 5 people to Australia any given day, combined. :lol:
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
zkncj
Posts: 2480
Joined: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:57 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Sun May 21, 2017 9:30 am

NZ is defiantly more likely to give an go first, then followed by QF. They lead the way with both YVR and SFO in the past 10 years, with QF only recently getting involved with these markets again.

by the time Qantas 789s enter service NZ will have 4-5 years experience with the 789, and with more depth knowledge of its operations.
 
qf002
Posts: 3281
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:14 am

Re: Will Quantas ever serve ORD

Sun May 21, 2017 9:59 am

The question is less to do with ORD's usefulness to QF/NZ as a hub and more to do with QF/NZ figuring out where best to put new capacity into the North American market. Is it more useful in the long term to increase capacity into existing markets or to put that new capacity into a new market?

It's a trickier decision for QF because their network is more spread out than NZ's. For QF, adding MEL/BNE-DFW or possibly even MEL-SFO would take probably priority over adding SYD-ORD within the next five years (and in any case I think ORD would be a 778 route rather than a 789 one for QF) but for NZ it's a no-brainer, adding new dots to their map is by far the best way for them to grow capacity.

zkncj wrote:
NZ is defiantly more likely to give an go first, then followed by QF. They lead the way with both YVR and SFO in the past 10 years, with QF only recently getting involved with these markets again.


Conveniently ignoring the fact that QF were the ones who really changed the dynamics of the market by adding SYD-DFW...
 
qantas747
Posts: 326
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2000 12:51 pm

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Sun May 21, 2017 1:52 pm

zkncj wrote:
NZ is defiantly more likely to give an go first, then followed by QF. They lead the way with both YVR and SFO in the past 10 years, with QF only recently getting involved with these markets again.

by the time Qantas 789s enter service NZ will have 4-5 years experience with the 789, and with more depth knowledge of its operations.


QF may not have direct knowledge of 789 performance yet, but they will have the data on JQ 788s. If they think a 789 would work to ORD they will put a couple there. I do think that they would prioritis YVR however. Any chance of a JQ extension to YVR? They have feed from SYD and MEL in HNL an YVR could be counted as a bit of a leisure market outside of peak periods.
 
User avatar
sunrisevalley
Posts: 5392
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:26 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Sun May 21, 2017 5:07 pm

United787 wrote:
ORD-SYD would be 683 nm further than SFO-SIN... is that even possible on the 789?

ORD-SYD and LAX-SYD are about the same track. A typical LAX-SYD day is about 15hrs. Based on this ORD-SYD is at least 18.5hrs. I don't see this as a 789 city pair. It would fit the 778 rather well. For NZ it is ~16hrs which would probably work for a 789.
 
AAplat4life
Posts: 294
Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:14 am

Re: Will Qantas ever serve ORD

Mon May 22, 2017 12:05 pm

I do not dismiss that the B789 may be pushed to handle SYD-ORD, but QF may have something in mind since it has mentioned the route as a possibility. (The same applies to SYD-JFK). Assuming that it has capable aircraft, I think that the bigger issue is how a joint venture with AA might impact its decision. The immediate response is that this should be favorable, but the route could funnel passenger traffic away from the DFW and LAX routes, which are pretty easy connections from ORD given the number of daily flights. From this perspective, the lack of ATI might be more of an incentive for QF to start the route and AA would have little input. A response from UA (if it had the right aircraft) would not be a surprise. Ultimately SYD-ORD would be a big game changer, but it could also result in using 789s, or aircraft smaller than the A380 and 77W, on the routes from DFW and/or LAX, which apparently AA is doing later this year when LAX-SYD switches to the 789.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos