Cyow wrote:Simple question is this: when will the Canadian gov open up the market to JetBlue and other carriers for cross-border traffic? If taxes/landing fees are an issue - then bake them into the fare. If protectionism is so vital, just limit frequency. I'd like to see YUL, YOW, YYZ, YHM, YQB, and YHZ first. The agreement could be negotiated so that B6 would only fly CS100/300s on the routes - a win win for both.
smokeybandit wrote:When they spin off their ULCC, LabattBlue
Cyow wrote:Simple question is this: when will the Canadian gov open up the market to JetBlue and other carriers for cross-border traffic? If taxes/landing fees are an issue - then bake them into the fare. If protectionism is so vital, just limit frequency. I'd like to see YUL, YOW, YYZ, YHM, YQB, and YHZ first. The agreement could be negotiated so that B6 would only fly CS100/300s on the routes - a win win for both.
cluseau wrote:Well, I don't think the perception that it's the taxes is really the cause. I recently flew on JetBlue from NAS to MCO one way. Ticket was $109, and taxes were $113.99. Taxes were about 50/50 US/Bahamas (US puts all its taxes for immigration etc on arrival; Bahamas has big departure taxes). Point is they fly to NAS from FLL, JFK, BOS...this doesn't seem to slow them down, so I suspect there has to be other market dynamics (maybe combined with the taxes) that makes them shy away?
PanzerPowner wrote:*Starts Praying That JetBlue will star LGB-YVR out of any reason whatsoever since preclearance*
tphuang wrote:they do have code share with Porter on the shorter east coast routes. Maybe they can try BOS/JFK to YYC/YVR/YEG. There is not much competition on these routes.
cluseau wrote:Well, I don't think the perception that it's the taxes is really the cause. I recently flew on JetBlue from NAS to MCO one way. Ticket was $109, and taxes were $113.99. Taxes were about 50/50 US/Bahamas (US puts all its taxes for immigration etc on arrival; Bahamas has big departure taxes). Point is they fly to NAS from FLL, JFK, BOS...this doesn't seem to slow them down, so I suspect there has to be other market dynamics (maybe combined with the taxes) that makes them shy away?
richierich wrote:tphuang wrote:they do have code share with Porter on the shorter east coast routes. Maybe they can try BOS/JFK to YYC/YVR/YEG. There is not much competition on these routes.
There is also much less of a market for these routes.
catiii wrote:cluseau wrote:Well, I don't think the perception that it's the taxes is really the cause. I recently flew on JetBlue from NAS to MCO one way. Ticket was $109, and taxes were $113.99. Taxes were about 50/50 US/Bahamas (US puts all its taxes for immigration etc on arrival; Bahamas has big departure taxes). Point is they fly to NAS from FLL, JFK, BOS...this doesn't seem to slow them down, so I suspect there has to be other market dynamics (maybe combined with the taxes) that makes them shy away?
Internally they talk all the time about the tax structure in Canada, and how it precludes service.
jumbojet wrote:If B6 wants to be more than just a notch above a large, regional carrier, they should seriously consider starting up flights to Canada. Whether or not it makes money is irrelevant. Making money is nice but its not the end all be all
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:I mean routes like JFK-YUL, YOW and YYZ are really short hops wouldn't take too much plane time to operate them. Actual time in the air is short, usually takes longer waiting to takeoff. Montreal is 330 miles. The problem i think is since they are so short, frequency is high of carriers and fares are pretty low in general minus all taxes since its an "international flight". B6 would face some real tough competition if they tried any of those routes, low risk since they are short but not much potential to make alot since they are competitive.
jumbojet wrote:If B6 wants to be more than just a notch above a large, regional carrier, they should seriously consider starting up flights to Canada. Whether or not it makes money is irrelevant. Making money is nice but its not the end all be all
Blueballs wrote:[threeid][/threeid]jumbojet wrote:If B6 wants to be more than just a notch above a large, regional carrier, they should seriously consider starting up flights to Canada. Whether or not it makes money is irrelevant. Making money is nice but its not the end all be all
What do you care so long as delta flies there, right? As much as you troll jetblue threads I'm starting to think you are a disgruntled employee
jumbojet wrote:
If B6 wants to be more than just a notch above a large, regional carrier, they should seriously consider starting up flights to Canada. Whether or not it makes money is irrelevant. Making money is nice but its not the end all be all
jumbojet wrote:Making money is nice but its not the end all be all
catiii wrote:jumbojet wrote:If B6 wants to be more than just a notch above a large, regional carrier, they should seriously consider starting up flights to Canada. Whether or not it makes money is irrelevant. Making money is nice but its not the end all be all
33 international destinations in central and South America, but JetBlue needs Toronto for credibility? What a joke...
cluseau wrote:Well, I don't think the perception that it's the taxes is really the cause. I recently flew on JetBlue from NAS to MCO one way. Ticket was $109, and taxes were $113.99. Taxes were about 50/50 US/Bahamas (US puts all its taxes for immigration etc on arrival; Bahamas has big departure taxes). Point is they fly to NAS from FLL, JFK, BOS...this doesn't seem to slow them down, so I suspect there has to be other market dynamics (maybe combined with the taxes) that makes them shy away?
Dominion301 wrote:catiii wrote:cluseau wrote:Well, I don't think the perception that it's the taxes is really the cause. I recently flew on JetBlue from NAS to MCO one way. Ticket was $109, and taxes were $113.99. Taxes were about 50/50 US/Bahamas (US puts all its taxes for immigration etc on arrival; Bahamas has big departure taxes). Point is they fly to NAS from FLL, JFK, BOS...this doesn't seem to slow them down, so I suspect there has to be other market dynamics (maybe combined with the taxes) that makes them shy away?
Internally they talk all the time about the tax structure in Canada, and how it precludes service.
The thing is on a transborder ticket, it's actually the US taxes are even more utterly insane than the Canadian ones. There are 7 different US taxes on a transborder flight SEVEN! Imagine going to McDonald's and paying 7 different taxes on a Big Mac. There would be a societal outcry. But for air travel not enough people are aware or have a vested interest in raising a stink.
Couple that with 4 Canadian taxes + a $23-$30 Canadian airport improvement fee and you can see why transborder traffic is stagnant. Yet our governments don't even acknowledge there's a serious problem. In Canada we scratch our heads over the leakage to border town airports, yet refuse to do anything about the ridiculous taxation.
StarAC17 wrote:cluseau wrote:Well, I don't think the perception that it's the taxes is really the cause. I recently flew on JetBlue from NAS to MCO one way. Ticket was $109, and taxes were $113.99. Taxes were about 50/50 US/Bahamas (US puts all its taxes for immigration etc on arrival; Bahamas has big departure taxes). Point is they fly to NAS from FLL, JFK, BOS...this doesn't seem to slow them down, so I suspect there has to be other market dynamics (maybe combined with the taxes) that makes them shy away?
I don't think that the taxes matter much. All the airlines pay it as a fixed cost so no one is getting an advantage on it. It is a saturated marketplace for YYZ and YUL. maybe B6 would have some luck with YOW, YHZ or YYC/YVR.Dominion301 wrote:catiii wrote:
Internally they talk all the time about the tax structure in Canada, and how it precludes service.
The thing is on a transborder ticket, it's actually the US taxes are even more utterly insane than the Canadian ones. There are 7 different US taxes on a transborder flight SEVEN! Imagine going to McDonald's and paying 7 different taxes on a Big Mac. There would be a societal outcry. But for air travel not enough people are aware or have a vested interest in raising a stink.
Couple that with 4 Canadian taxes + a $23-$30 Canadian airport improvement fee and you can see why transborder traffic is stagnant. Yet our governments don't even acknowledge there's a serious problem. In Canada we scratch our heads over the leakage to border town airports, yet refuse to do anything about the ridiculous taxation.
I don't think the big Canadian airports (YYZ, YUL, and YVR)care much about the leakage to border towns as those pax are usually looking for the cheapest option and with the dollar as it is I am not sure what if there is a huge benefit in doing it anymore.
Regarding a route like BUF-LAX that might attract some but AC and AA have a lot of business traffic on this route and that is the Hi-Rev traffic.Furthermore all these airports have growing passenger numbers even if trans-border isn't growing and I don't think it affecting their pocketbooks a whole lot.
Personally living in Mississauga I have never seen a benefit of using BUF over YYZ. When I consider the time commitment involved I simply cannot justify it and most flights have been pretty comparable with actually more options and better times out of YYZ.