Dab747 wrote:Before the introduction of ultra long range jetliners, most international carriers need to refuel enroute. Many stops might have been technical stops and prohibited transport of passengers between certain points. What were some of the more interesting 5th freedom flights of the 60s and 70s. I remember multiple international airlines flew between New York and London including JL, LY, AI, KU, QF, (and if I'm not mistaken, CX appled for the right but it was never granted). What 5th freedom flight between the US and Europe might work well if permitted? I know EK flies MXP-EWR and soon ATH-EWR. SQ flies FRA-JFK. Any others that might be successful?
mjoelnir wrote:I think that it is a misconception that fifth freedom flights are are something abnormal. In the older days they were pretty common and included in most bilaterals. As new bilaterals have usually included rather more than less freedom, I assume that most bilaterals still include fifth freedom rights and if an airline wants to start those flights it should be easy to get acceptance by the authorities in most parts of the world, with of course exceptions, like for example China.
I think Air India used to have (or still has) JFK-LHR. I am not sure if the flight originates from BOM or DEL.
Kuwait Airways just dropped JFK-LHR last year since they are unwilling to transport passengers with Israeli passports.
Malaysia Airlines has tried ARN-JFK (as continuation of KUL-ARN) but that was a disaster.
Air NZ still flies daily to London via LAX, so the flight is AKL-LAX-LHR. It's apparently quite successful given it has been around for ages, while NZ dropped its twice weekly AKL-LAX-FRA.
EK tried HAM-JFK too. Not sure if it is still around.
Biman Bangladesh used to do BRU-JFK once or twice a week as a continuation of DAC-BRU, but that was a disaster like MAS's venture.
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