User001
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Vueling cuts many UK flights

Fri May 19, 2017 8:53 pm

Looks like Vueling is in a mass retreat mode from the UK regional market.

BCN-LPL/LBA/NCL were cut over the last winter, as well as EDI-ORY and the proposed MAN-AMS. LTN-ZRH also didn't last long.

Next winter, BHX-ALC/AGP/TFS, MAN-ALC/TFS/FCO and EDI-FCO also get cut. Routes from CWL also get reduced.

Seems the UK market was a tough nut for VY to break....
 
LHRFlyer
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Fri May 19, 2017 10:37 pm

Not surprising really given the low and quite random weekly frequencies of many of these routes and the general lack of brand recognition and marketing support, as well as a very difficult summer for the operation last year.

It would make sense for VY to concentrate on building feed to its hub at BCN on routes that can sustain a daily frequency as a minimum.

I'm sure IAG could do a lot more in UK regional airports to feed its hubs but it needs a coherent approach and probably isn't helped by route planning and marketing being left to individual IAG airlines.
 
NichCage
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Fri May 19, 2017 11:36 pm

Vueling also cut a lot of routes in 2016, for example. Destinations like BHD, LPL, LBA, NCL, FRA, etc were cut, along with many others.
 
Arion640
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 12:16 am

They have cut winter frequencies at Cardiff too.
319 320 321 346 388 733 752 753 763 772 77E 773 77W 788 E195 F70 DH8C DH8D AT75
 
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 8:38 am

They also got a lot of competition in the UK, mostly from EasyJet and Ryanair. Certainly Ryanair is mostly cheaper than Vueling.
 
User001
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 9:20 am

It's interesting to see at a time Vueling are cutting back the UK regions, BA (Cityflyer) are entering the UK regions in a big way.

Yes, we know it's using down time for the LCY fleet while LCY is closed yada yada yada, but, maybe BA are trying a different tactic in that they realise using Vueling to compete with Ryanair et al wasn't going to work. Fighting low cost with low cost, but using a brand people couldn't even pronounce, let alone use, was a brave plan. Let's face if, 1-2 weekly on Cityflyer doesn't do much different frequency wise compared to 1-2 weekly from Vueling.

Using Cityflyer however, gives IAG a differential product. Bags included, snacks on board and a business class cabin. The latter is something MAN in particular hasn't had on 'leisure routes' for a long time now and it's something that seems to have been well received. The first LCY-MAN and first MAN-IBZ both sold out the business class cabin, with high loads reported going forward.

Maybe doing something different, like fighting fire with water, rather than fighting fire with fire, might just actually pay off.
 
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 9:35 am

LHRFlyer wrote:
Not surprising really given the low and quite random weekly frequencies of many of these routes and the general lack of brand recognition and marketing support.

I'm sure IAG could do a lot more in UK regional airports to feed its hubs but it needs a coherent approach and probably isn't helped by route planning and marketing being left to individual IAG airlines.


MMmmmm........VY benefits from triple marketing by VY, BA and IB in what are IAG's two home markets; UK and Spain.

All Vueling flights are codeshared with:

- BA
- IB

So..it is more likely that markets are overserved and yields fell too low (FR & EZY, BY, etc), so VY's expansion may have been too fast for these regional markets.
 
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 10:23 am

Only flown them a couple of times - LTN-BCL-LTN most uncomfortable seating I have ever had the misfortune to suffer. Flights were very full though.
 
azz767
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 10:57 am

The more likely reason is they are, in reality a poor airline. It's not that there's too much competition because if you're the best of the competition then it makes no difference, the fact is, Ryanair and easyjet are better airlines, rarely late and you get what you pay for, vueling you pay more for worse service and an extremely rare on time departure
 
Jerry123
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 11:04 am

I'm surprised they've cut back at CWL as they have no competition there. If the cutbacks do continue during the summer then hopefully Flybe or Ryanair will replace the lost frequencies.
 
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 11:08 am

LHRFlyer hit the nail on the head. Vueling is a brand that few people in the UK know of. They start new routes but the marketing/advertising of it is minimal at best. I dispatched them for the 1 year they flew to Belfast, and the majority of passengers using the service were inbound tourists from the continent.
 
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 12:26 pm

factsonly wrote:
LHRFlyer wrote:
Not surprising really given the low and quite random weekly frequencies of many of these routes and the general lack of brand recognition and marketing support.

I'm sure IAG could do a lot more in UK regional airports to feed its hubs but it needs a coherent approach and probably isn't helped by route planning and marketing being left to individual IAG airlines.


MMmmmm........VY benefits from triple marketing by VY, BA and IB in what are IAG's two home markets; UK and Spain.

All Vueling flights are codeshared with:

- BA
- IB



They may have been codeshared with BA but that was it as far as marketing support goes. You would only discover the flights on ba.com if you knew to look for them.

VY is still serving a number of UK regional airports from BCN such as BHX and MAN, but with schedules that are much more likely to be competitive. Routes to major sun destinations with just 1-2 return flights a week are never going to be competitive.

As I say IAG could do a lot more in UK regional airports but there needs to be a much more coherent approach.
 
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 12:39 pm

VY used to operate BCN to SOU a few years ago with minimal advertising and the route was dropped after only one season, it was subsequently picked up by Flybe the next year and this too was dropped after only one season.

I fly to BCN appropriately 5 to 6 times a year with BA from LHR and occasionally LGW but it would be great VY tried BCN to SOU again or maybe BACF as there has to be a market for the route.

The problem with VY is like some posters have mentioned, they are generally unknown to most of the UK population and their advertising has a lot to be desired.
 
redroo
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 1:17 pm

And difficult to pronounce for an english speaker :-)
 
Cunard
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 2:20 pm

redroo wrote:
And difficult to pronounce for an english speaker :-)


That comment has already been mentioned by other posters, I personally don't have any difficulty pronouncing it.
 
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 2:45 pm

User001 wrote:

Using Cityflyer however, gives IAG a differential product. Bags included, snacks on board and a business class cabin. The latter is something MAN in particular hasn't had on 'leisure routes' for a long time now and it's something that seems to have been well received. The first LCY-MAN and first MAN-IBZ both sold out the business class cabin, with high loads reported going forward.

Maybe doing something different, like fighting fire with water, rather than fighting fire with fire, might just actually pay off.

Cityflyer does have a J cabin - not sure why you'd pay for it as its still 2-2 seating as far as Im aware with no middle seat available to be blocked like the 320's.
Also you do need to pay for bags with cityflyer and very soon food and bev will be buy on board as well.
 
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 2:57 pm

anstar wrote:
Cityflyer does have a J cabin - not sure why you'd pay for it as its still 2-2 seating as far as Im aware with no middle seat available to be blocked like the 320's.
Also you do need to pay for bags with cityflyer and very soon food and bev will be buy on board as well.


The fact is though, people are paying for it, just like they also seem to be paying for it on domestic sectors too now.
 
sevenair
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 5:33 pm

Nobody blamed Brexit yet? Wow.
 
YIMBY
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Re: Vueling cuts many UK flights

Sat May 20, 2017 7:49 pm

redroo wrote:
And difficult to pronounce for an english speaker :-)


Which English airline names are easy to pronounce for non-English speakers?

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