2017 Paris Air Show - Airbus News And Orders

Boeing778X · Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:38 pm

Hello all! The 2017 Paris Air Show is upon us! It's shaping up to be a very interesting event this time around, so let's get started!

This thread is for Airbus news and orders. Airbus will be a dominant presence at the show, no doubt orders will be confirmed. The A321neo and A350-1000 are expected to make their public debuts at the show.

Airbus Defense and Helicopters will also be present at exhibition. Should be fun!

MrHMSH · Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:53 pm

I'm not too hopeful for any eye-catching orders, it would be great for the A330neo or A35K to get some orders, but now's not really a great time for widebodies. I'm sure a number of A32Xneos will be ordered, but anything above 200 orders would surprise me. Trust Airbus to pull something out of their arse for the show though!

Boeing778X · Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:56 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
I'm not too hopeful for any eye-catching orders, it would be great for the A330neo or A35K to get some orders, but now's not really a great time for widebodies. I'm sure a number of A32Xneos will be ordered, but anything above 200 orders would surprise me. Trust Airbus to pull something out of their arse for the show though!

Personally, I don't think Airbus has anything to prove, but a good A330neo order would probably help them out.

BN727227Ultra · Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:58 pm

Will a DL A350 be there?

ikolkyo · Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:58 pm

BN727227Ultra wrote:
Will a DL A350 be there?

No, A350-1000 will be.

BN727227Ultra · Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:12 pm

Thanks!

Bricktop · Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:19 am

MrHMSH wrote:
I'm not too hopeful for any eye-catching orders, it would be great for the A330neo or A35K to get some orders, but now's not really a great time for widebodies. I'm sure a number of A32Xneos will be ordered, but anything above 200 orders would surprise me. Trust Airbus to pull something out of their arse for the show though!

For A20N/A21N orders, 200 in total (virtually a given, IMO) or a single order (unlikely, IMO)? I'd be surprised if there weren't some A330neos ordered also, probably by lessors. A350's? Not a boatload, but I suspect a number that will make Airbus happy. There haven't been many orders announced 2017YTD, and it's time for a splash. Whether it's a cannonball remains to be seen.

anshabhi · Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:47 am

MrHMSH wrote:
I'm not too hopeful for any eye-catching orders, it would be great for the A330neo or A35K to get some orders, but now's not really a great time for widebodies. I'm sure a number of A32Xneos will be ordered, but anything above 200 orders would surprise me. Trust Airbus to pull something out of their arse for the show though!

I am hoping for a big A21N conversion by IndiGo.

sq421 · Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:59 am

Any possibility of Indigo (6E) ordering A330s or A350s to counter the SG 787s?

srbom · Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:10 am

sq421 wrote:
Any possibility of Indigo (6E) ordering A330s or A350s to counter the SG 787s?

Very unlikely. They haven't been using the full range of A320. There are lot of destinations that indigo needs to serve before turning towards long haul operations. They will rather focus on planned ATR operations.

seahawk · Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:17 am

Will we see any orders for the A330NEo and the A380? Seems unlikely.

juliuswong · Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:00 am

sq421 wrote:
Any possibility of Indigo (6E) ordering A330s or A350s to counter the SG 787s?

It will be a coup, but 6E is very cautious in expansion. They just recently placed an order for ATR, I don't think they can digest long haul operation at the same time. Currently they are offloading their IAE powered A320, never heard of them dabbling long haul. It will be suicidal if every one goes into the same pool. India aviation market has just recovered from red blood competition we have seen for past decade, IMO I don't think any one of them will risk another war.

N14AZ · Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:01 am

ikolkyo wrote:
BN727227Ultra wrote:
Will a DL A350 be there?

No, A350-1000 will be.

What a pitty, as several members posted, she is a beauty.

MrHMSH wrote:
I'm not too hopeful for any eye-catching orders, it would be great for the A330neo or A35K to get some orders, but now's not really a great time for widebodies.

I guess you are correct.

scouseflyer · Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:15 am

seahawk wrote:
Will we see any orders for the A330NEo and the A380? Seems unlikely.

There have been rumblings of an A380 order but that would be a massive shock TBH

sq421 · Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:30 am

juliuswong wrote:
sq421 wrote:
Any possibility of Indigo (6E) ordering A330s or A350s to counter the SG 787s?

It will be a coup, but 6E is very cautious in expansion. They just recently placed an order for ATR, I don't think they can digest long haul operation at the same time. Currently they are offloading their IAE powered A320, never heard of them dabbling long haul. It will be suicidal if every one goes into the same pool. India aviation market has just recovered from red blood competition we have seen for past decade, IMO I don't think any one of them will risk another war.

Fair point. Well a fan can hope. Coupled with the rumors of 6E launching a frequent flyer program, long haul operations would have been the icing on the cake... But I digress from the topic.

Thanks though

Edit 1: changed news to rumors
Edit 2: Source: http://livefromalounge.boardingarea.com ... y-program/

mjoelnir · Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:53 am

I expect some more orders for the plain old ceos A330-200 and -300.

pabloeing · Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:05 am

mjoelnir wrote:
I expect some more orders for the plain old ceos A330-200 and -300.

Level and IB ......

mjoelnir · Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:15 am

pabloeing wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
I expect some more orders for the plain old ceos A330-200 and -300.

Level and IB ......

China

zkojq · Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:22 pm

I wonder if we will see some A321neo + A330neo orders from Cathay Dragon.

Cyow · Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:20 pm

CS100 and CS300 orders? Fingers crossed.

N14AZ · Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:24 pm

Cyow wrote:
CS100 and CS300 orders? Fingers crossed.

But not in the Airbus-thread ... :wave:

Cyow · Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:33 pm

N14AZ wrote:
Cyow wrote:
CS100 and CS300 orders? Fingers crossed.

But not in the Airbus-thread ...

Ha, oops!

planesailing · Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:48 pm

Rumours abound that Oman Air are about to order the A350.

Mortyman · Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:20 pm

Hoping for more A380's

Boeing778X · Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:24 pm

planesailing wrote:
Rumours abound that Oman Air are about to order the A350.

Oman Air may not order anything at Paris, though they do hope to place an order in the next several months.

The 787 is also in the running.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... en-delayed

fcogafa · Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:42 pm

The end of this thread suggests OMA chose the A350

viewtopic.php?t=1362207

anshabhi · Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:02 pm

Ethiopian to order 10 A359: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ium=social

MD80MKE · Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:11 pm

anshabhi wrote:
Ethiopian to order 10 A359: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ium=social

Obviously ET can't get enough of A359 after seeing their performance for the past year. I expect more existing customers to place top-up orders of A350 at the air show. (LH, CX, CI to name a few.) The Oman Air order could come several months later from various sources.

Slash787 · Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:28 pm

It seems a lot of Airlines are loving their A350's, its like when A330 was launched.

ACCS300 · Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:41 pm

Slash787 wrote:
It seems a lot of Airlines are loving their A350's, its like when A330 was launched.

The A350 was the dark-horse and a little overshadowed by all the "dreamliner" hype but it's truly a class-act, smooth, almost flawless launch, extremely comfortable and quiet-cabin, wider seats / cabin and more spacious overall than the 787 and orders closing in on 900! Very impressive overall without the marketing hype Boeing is famous for.

The A350 seems to have somewhat 'underpromised and overdelivered' which is a very sustainable strategy.

ap305 · Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:05 pm

I think we now know the customer for the 10 a359 placed earlier this year....

Waterbomber · Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:19 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
Slash787 wrote:
It seems a lot of Airlines are loving their A350's, its like when A330 was launched.

The A350 was the dark-horse and a little overshadowed by all the "dreamliner" hype but it's truly a class-act, smooth, almost flawless launch, extremely comfortable and quiet-cabin, wider seats / cabin and more spacious overall than the 787 and orders closing in on 900! Very impressive overall without the marketing hype Boeing is famous for.

The A350 seems to have somewhat 'underpromised and overdelivered' which is a very sustainable strategy.

Cost-performance-wise, nothing will beat the A350-1000 and B787-10 on 10+ hour long haul.
They are workhoses, just like the B77W.

Comfort-wise, I beg to differ. I think that it will come down to individual airlines making the right choices on interior configurations, not the marketing mumbo-jumbo that we hear from airlines and Airbus.

May I refer you to my recent trip report: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1365869

ACCS300 · Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:49 pm

To each his own, respect your report and your views. You seem to be in the minority, however, seems the A350 is getting rave reviews from most who fly on it. Perhaps it's AY's configurations.

MoKa777 · Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:23 pm

Wouldn't it be best to keep the topic and discussions on this thread strictly order and news related?

In that way, those of us making a quick check-in over here can see only the relevant information we actually want to see and as is stated in the thread title.

I have no problem with people discussing anything they want to discuss, just not here. It clutters up the thread and relevant order information and news gets lost in a sea of irrelevant (to the topic) replies.

My apologies if I sound harsh. That is not my intention. Just a friendly suggestion.

ikolkyo · Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:33 pm

Order announcements haven't even begun yet, nothing wrong with a little preshow discussion.

A60Stock · Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:36 pm

I've heard on the one of the Irish threads, there's rumours that Aer Lingus is looking for another pair of A333s for next year.

LupineChemist · Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:45 pm

A60Stock wrote:
I've heard on the one of the Irish threads, there's rumours that Aer Lingus is looking for another pair of A333s for next year.

IAG could definitely see a decent 330 order for Level/IB/EI.

IB was still planning on taking those 330s so they are slowing growth to make way for Level (though that is still IB for now so it is kind of growth in IB)

Boeing778X · Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:54 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Order announcements haven't even begun yet, nothing wrong with a little preshow discussion.

Agreed! A little discussion before hand never hurts!

In other news, Airbus will unveil a higher MTOW A380 with a new winglet design, called the A380 Plus.

Looks like the APB Scimitar Spar inspired some of the design of the winglet.

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... ment-study

SCAT15F · Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:39 am

How about ATR finally launching that 90 seater? ...I wish

Better yet, a TP400 powered 150 seater

anshabhi · Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:59 am

Viva Air Peru to order 25 NEO and 15 CEO

http://reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1990U6?il=0

Someone83 · Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:13 am

P&W agreed to power 47 of IAG's A320neo on order

http://newsroom.pw.utc.com/2017-06-19-P ... o-Aircraft

StTim · Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:28 am

That is good news for P&W

KarelXWB · Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:21 am

Spring opts for Leap on 60 A320neos:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... os-438365/

Chinese carrier Spring Airlines is to fit 60 Airbus A320neo-family jets with the CFM International Leap-1A powerplant.

Spring disclosed that it had signed for 45 A320neo and 15 A321neo jets in late 2015.

frigatebird · Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:21 am

Someone83 wrote:
P&W agreed to power 47 of IAG's A320neo on order

http://newsroom.pw.utc.com/2017-06-19-P ... o-Aircraft

Wow, this is extremely good news for PW, Great win, much needed!

KarelXWB · Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:21 am

GECAS signs firm contract for 100 A320/A321neo aircraft, becoming the 3rd biggest NEO customer.

https://twitter.com/R_Wall/status/876731164223995904
https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/876731395615465472

To be powered by CFM Leap engines.

anshabhi · Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:26 am

frigatebird wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
P&W agreed to power 47 of IAG's A320neo on order

http://newsroom.pw.utc.com/2017-06-19-P ... o-Aircraft

Wow, this is extremely good news for PW, Great win, much needed!

Though, the order went to CFM for 110 engines https://twitter.com/CFM_engines/status/ ... 7791843328

Interestingly, they have ordered 16 extra engines

KarelXWB · Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:26 am

IAG places order for 110 LEAP-1A engines to power the Iberia A320neo fleet:

https://www.cfmaeroengines.com/press-ar ... a-engines/

International Airlines Group (IAG), one of the world’s largest airline groups, has selected CFM International’s LEAP-1A engine to power a total of 55 Airbus A320neo family aircraft.

CFM agreement includes spare engines and a long-term support agreement. These aircraft, which are intended for operation at British Airways and Iberia and scheduled to begin delivery in 2018, are part of an order announced by IAG between 2014 and 2015.

KarelXWB · Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:27 am

anshabhi wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
P&W agreed to power 47 of IAG's A320neo on order

http://newsroom.pw.utc.com/2017-06-19-P ... o-Aircraft

Wow, this is extremely good news for PW, Great win, much needed!

Though, the order went to CFM for 110 engines https://twitter.com/CFM_engines/status/ ... 7791843328

Looks like a split order. P&W will power 47 aircraft while CFM will power 55 aircraft.

Richard28 · Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:34 am

KarelXWB wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
Wow, this is extremely good news for PW, Great win, much needed!

Though, the order went to CFM for 110 engines https://twitter.com/CFM_engines/status/ ... 7791843328

Looks like a split order. P&W will power 47 aircraft while CFM will power 55 aircraft.

strange for IAG to split the order... maybe a A321LR sub-fleet with the P&W engines?

A330freak · Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:41 am

Richard28 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Though, the order went to CFM for 110 engines https://twitter.com/CFM_engines/status/ ... 7791843328

Looks like a split order. P&W will power 47 aircraft while CFM will power 55 aircraft.

strange for IAG to split the order... maybe a A321LR sub-fleet with the P&W engines?

It looks like the aircraft for Vueling will be powered by PW whilst the aircraft for BA (which includes 10 A321neos) and IB will be CFM

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