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Qatar Airways reveals A350-1000 layout

Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:18 am

Qatar Airways will configure it's upcoming A350-1000's with 46 Qsuites and 281 economy seats, 327 seats in total

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Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:39 am

business class has come a long way...
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:54 am

Interesting to see that the number of seats will stay exactly the same on the A359. Either this new suite is highly space efficient or QR kept the number of the current seats purposely low so that they could transition to this new layout more easily.

Looks great, though.
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:27 am

MoKa777 wrote:
Interesting to see that the number of seats will stay exactly the same on the A359. Either this new suite is highly space efficient or QR kept the number of the current seats purposely low so that they could transition to this new layout more easily.

Looks great, though.


I recall AAB saying at the QSuite launch that it is highly space efficient and can therefore achieve the same number of larger suites within the same on-board space (hence also no change in Economy seat count or layout).
 
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:42 am

The A350-1000 layout was unveiled three months ago.
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:07 am

I wonder if it has nearly the same capacity as the 77W because it is truly a replacement or because Y has gone from 32'' to 31''...
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:15 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
Interesting to see that the number of seats will stay exactly the same on the A359. Either this new suite is highly space efficient or QR kept the number of the current seats purposely low so that they could transition to this new layout more easily.

Looks great, though.


The 359 will have 36 J vs 46 J for the larger 350.
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:43 pm

waly777 wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
Interesting to see that the number of seats will stay exactly the same on the A359. Either this new suite is highly space efficient or QR kept the number of the current seats purposely low so that they could transition to this new layout more easily.

Looks great, though.


The 359 will have 36 J vs 46 J for the larger 350.

MoKa777 meant that before and after Qsuites conversion, the same number of J seats (36) will be placed in the same area.
 
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:08 pm

waly777 wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
Interesting to see that the number of seats will stay exactly the same on the A359. Either this new suite is highly space efficient or QR kept the number of the current seats purposely low so that they could transition to this new layout more easily.

Looks great, though.


The 359 will have 36 J vs 46 J for the larger 350.


What I mean is the new layout on the A359 vs the old layout.

It remains 36J247Y.

It is understood that the reverse herringbone seat is very very space efficient.

I am just pleasantly surprised that the QSuite doesn't take up any more space at all.

Or like I said, the A359 had its number os seats artificially limited so as to ease transition in reservations systems, etc. once these new suites roll-out.

I could be just over-thinking things, though...
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:10 pm

HeeseokKoo wrote:
waly777 wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
Interesting to see that the number of seats will stay exactly the same on the A359. Either this new suite is highly space efficient or QR kept the number of the current seats purposely low so that they could transition to this new layout more easily.

Looks great, though.


The 359 will have 36 J vs 46 J for the larger 350.

MoKa777 meant that before and after Qsuites conversion, the same number of J seats (36) will be placed in the same area.


Thanks for helping to clarify. :thumbsup:
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:12 pm

Very interesting concept! Seems like a very fine product! And the A350-1000 is a perfect platform for it :)
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:38 pm

I would call them cells rather than suits :white:
But that's just my personal point of view, of course

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Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:25 am

MoKa777 wrote:
waly777 wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
Interesting to see that the number of seats will stay exactly the same on the A359. Either this new suite is highly space efficient or QR kept the number of the current seats purposely low so that they could transition to this new layout more easily.

Looks great, though.


The 359 will have 36 J vs 46 J for the larger 350.


What I mean is the new layout on the A359 vs the old layout.

It remains 36J247Y.

It is understood that the reverse herringbone seat is very very space efficient.

I am just pleasantly surprised that the QSuite doesn't take up any more space at all.

Or like I said, the A359 had its number os seats artificially limited so as to ease transition in reservations systems, etc. once these new suites roll-out.

I could be just over-thinking things, though...


Ah right, my apologies. It seems the Q suites are quite space efficient as well
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Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:26 am

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I would call them cells rather than suits :white:
But that's just my personal point of view, of course

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And I would call them suites rather than suits :bouncy:

The new Q Suites look nice, but I'm not sure I see the practicality of the four suite shared space idea, because it'll probably never be used. I can only assume they're hoping news like this will deflect from the embargo story.
 
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Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:32 pm

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I would call them cells rather than suits :white:
But that's just my personal point of view, of course

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And I would call them suites rather than suits :bouncy:

The new Q Suites look nice, but I'm not sure I see the practicality of the four suite shared space idea, because it'll probably never be used. I can only assume they're hoping news like this will deflect from the embargo story.


I doubt the goal is to distract considering that Qsuites and the A350-1000 layout were revealed months ago. I think ABT is just late to the party. I saw an article on the guardian.com a couple months back about how airlines are NOW going 10 abreast on 777s; they were very late to that party.
 
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Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:03 pm

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I doubt the goal is to distract considering that Qsuites and the A350-1000 layout were revealed months ago. I think ABT is just late to the party. I saw an article on the guardian.com a couple months back about how airlines are NOW going 10 abreast on 777s; they were very late to that party.

My mistake -- I was under the impression the Q Suites hadn't been previously revealed. Regardless, I'm guessing QR would appreciate any kind of distraction, albeit not nearly as much as a resolution. From some TRs I've seen over the past week featuring DOH, the place looks like an absolute ghost town.
 
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Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:11 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
The new Q Suites look nice, but I'm not sure I see the practicality of the four suite shared space idea, because it'll probably never be used. I can only assume they're hoping news like this will deflect from the embargo story.

They'll almost never be used, but look pretty in marketing photos and makes the cabin appear more open and airy...
 
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Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:08 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
kq747 wrote:
I doubt the goal is to distract considering that Qsuites and the A350-1000 layout were revealed months ago. I think ABT is just late to the party. I saw an article on the guardian.com a couple months back about how airlines are NOW going 10 abreast on 777s; they were very late to that party.

My mistake -- I was under the impression the Q Suites hadn't been previously revealed. Regardless, I'm guessing QR would appreciate any kind of distraction, albeit not nearly as much as a resolution. From some TRs I've seen over the past week featuring DOH, the place looks like an absolute ghost town.


Yeah I've seen the same thing. I'm sure they're very excited to launch Qsuite in the next couple of weeks (assuming all goes to schedule) as I am sure many people will be wanting to try it out and it's launching to LHR so unlikely to be a hugely affected route in terms of loads.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:00 am

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My mistake -- I was under the impression the Q Suites hadn't been previously revealed.


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It is not definitely confirmed but from what I heard, QR A3510 may replace QR A359 on Doha - Haneda sector early next year.
 
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I'm surprised that QR doesn't consider a true premium economy section that would be 8 abreast on the 77Ws and A35Ks/A359s.
 
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J has come a long way, indeed. That looks like a fantastic product.
 
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:07 am

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I'm surprised that QR doesn't consider a true premium economy section that would be 8 abreast on the 77Ws and A35Ks/A359s.

They might have trouble properly monetizing it. My impression looking at Cathay premium economy is that they have trouble selling it. And they have really great premium economy seats on the a350.
 
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business class has come a long way...

And people wonder why customers who want First class are most likely to just charter their own jet.

That is a First class product 15 years ago.


I'm curious how well QR will do.

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lightsaber wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
business class has come a long way...

And people wonder why customers who want First class are most likely to just charter their own jet.

That is a First class product 15 years ago.


I'm curious how well QR will do.

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Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:02 am

a3804stripes wrote:
It is not definitely confirmed but from what I heard, QR A3510 may replace QR A359 on Doha - Haneda sector early next year.


If anything, the first few routes would be DOH-Europe just like when the A359 was introduced along with regional middle east routes for crew familiarization purposes. From there, the aircraft would be deployed based upon demand.
 
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:28 am

The A351 in this layout would do well at QR. I would first put it on the daily 0830am DOH-JFK flight to replace the B77W so that it can be easier to roster crew wise as the 0200am DOH-JFK service is currently on an A359 too. This way DOH-JFK-DOH becomes a double daily A350.

Next I would put it on IAD as the extra J class seats revenue + operational cost savings versus using a B77W are quite high.

I don't think so in summer season (june-sep especially), the A351 can fly nonstop out of Doha at least to ORD/Texas/MIA.
 
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:35 am

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If anything, the first few routes would be DOH-Europe just like when the A359 was introduced along with regional middle east routes for crew familiarization purposes. From there, the aircraft would be deployed based upon demand.


As its just a new variant crew familiarisation shouldn't be necessary. Both flight and cabin crew will be given a 'differences' sheet.
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:18 am

RichardWelling wrote:
a3804stripes wrote:
It is not definitely confirmed but from what I heard, QR A3510 may replace QR A359 on Doha - Haneda sector early next year.


If anything, the first few routes would be DOH-Europe just like when the A359 was introduced along with regional middle east routes for crew familiarization purposes. From there, the aircraft would be deployed based upon demand.


No, crew familiarisation is not required as A35K and A359 are identically the same.
 
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:32 am

behramjee wrote:
The A351 in this layout would do well at QR. I would first put it on the daily 0830am DOH-JFK flight to replace the B77W so that it can be easier to roster crew wise as the 0200am DOH-JFK service is currently on an A359 too. This way DOH-JFK-DOH becomes a double daily A350.

Next I would put it on IAD as the extra J class seats revenue + operational cost savings versus using a B77W are quite high.

I don't think so in summer season (june-sep especially), the A351 can fly nonstop out of Doha at least to ORD/Texas/MIA.


I am sure that with the MTOW, and resultant range, increase, the A350-1000 will be able to do Texas/MIA flights non-stop.
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:34 pm

behramjee wrote:
The A351 in this layout would do well at QR. I would first put it on the daily 0830am DOH-JFK flight to replace the B77W so that it can be easier to roster crew wise as the 0200am DOH-JFK service is currently on an A359 too. This way DOH-JFK-DOH becomes a double daily A350.

Next I would put it on IAD as the extra J class seats revenue + operational cost savings versus using a B77W are quite high.

I don't think so in summer season (june-sep especially), the A351 can fly nonstop out of Doha at least to ORD/Texas/MIA.


Unfortunately, this is not what I heard, regarding A35K replacing B77W on DOH - JFK.
 
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:52 pm

The configuration chosen is a good one as it only has 8 less seats than its B77Ws but operational cost wise it is cheaper to fly by a fair margin.

One would deploy the first 2.5 A351s to JFK (QR 701/702) daily replacing the B77W currently flown on this particular rotation as that would enable JFK to become a double daily A350 service as QR 703/704 is already flown by an A359. In this manner, it is easier for crew rostering to also plan accordingly for this sector.

The next 2.5 aircraft, one would use to replace the current B77W on DOH-IAD which is flown daily followed by 1 A351 to replace the B77W on 3 weekly DOH-YUL.

So in total the first 6 A351s could be used on daily JFK + daily IAD + 3 weekly YUL. The B77Ws coming out of these 3 markets, can be used to replace the gas guzzling 4 A346s from the fleet entirely which would be an additional cost saving.

Unfortunately, there is no chance that the A351 would be able to operate DOH-MIA in any season.

As far as having a separate high density configuration is concerned (like they have on their B77W fleet), the A351 with 24J class seats would likely seat 370 pax in a 2 class HD layout versus 380 on their current B77W (HD). This aircraft configuration (370 seater A351) is ideal for CMB, CGK, BKK and MNL etc.

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Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:00 am

DOH-JFK makes way too much sense. It would also save 44t on landing fees. The A35K is a great replacement for the B77W at the same length.
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:22 am

They could always upgage the QR703/704 to a A351 from a A359 if there is enough demand for it.
 
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What about people traveling with triplets?
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:16 am

I still don't get why QR doesn't start with Premium Economy. The demand is clearly there. Most major airlines have already adopted a full fledged PE product or are in the process of introducing it.

QR had the chance when their 787s came online and they now had the chance with the A359 and A351 and still they go for J + Y only. It might work for them, but I think there is a sizeable customer base willing to pay more to get out of Y, but not having the money (or not willing to spend it) for J.

Otherwise, as usual for QR, great hard product and nice to see the Q-Suites quickly rolled out...
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:17 am

Which manufacturer are thoses seats from ?
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:34 am

Cathay Pacific tried for 2 years using A333s with PE cabin on their Gulf flights and failed big time with it. TK failed also with their PE cabin network wide hence I don't think so QR have any intentions of following suit. QR CEO has never before even hinted about ever thinking of having a PE cabin as far as I recall unlike EK CEO who did officially state that EK's future A380s might have it.
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:21 am

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I still don't get why QR doesn't start with Premium Economy. The demand is clearly there. Most major airlines have already adopted a full fledged PE product or are in the process of introducing it.

QR had the chance when their 787s came online and they now had the chance with the A359 and A351 and still they go for J + Y only. It might work for them, but I think there is a sizeable customer base willing to pay more to get out of Y, but not having the money (or not willing to spend it) for J.

Otherwise, as usual for QR, great hard product and nice to see the Q-Suites quickly rolled out...


I don't know that it really is there on the Middle Eastern routes. Firstly there's a huge amount of very price sensitive travelers they are dealing with, particularly to/from S and SE Asia. Also the competition makes it so full J fares are really not all that much more than PE fares in other circumstances so it's really not hard to push people into full J if they are the type that would be buying premium economy anyway.
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:38 am

AsiaTravel wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
business class has come a long way...

And people wonder why customers who want First class are most likely to just charter their own jet.

That is a First class product 15 years ago.


I'm curious how well QR will do.

Lightsaber


There is a whole world between flying first class and chartering a jet, you are looking at 8x/10x price difference.


Yes, but there certainly is an ocean of difference in terms of comfort too. With a clear advantage for First Class on a commercial jetliner. Chartering a private jet is all about exclusivity and the flexibility of not having to stick to anybody's schedules, but frankly I don't consider the somewhat cramped, narrow cabins of private biz jets an appealing option for a long haul. I'd personally rather spend 10 hours in an F suite on an A350 rather than on an all white biz jet.... To each their own I guess....

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