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AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:23 pm

AirAsia X has abandoned plans to put premium seats in their upcoming A330neo aircraft. Instead, the carrier will put a whopping 440 seats in the A330.

AirAsia X now says its A330-900neo will have all-economy 440 seat configuration. Previously said neo would be high premium

https://twitter.com/winglets747/status/ ... 8863437824

With so many seats, the aircraft won't be able to reach Europe. I guess AirAsia X will have to wait for the A350.
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:32 pm

That won't be a comfortable beast.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:32 pm

I don't envy the crew on those flights...
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:32 pm

Guess they determined the A339 wouldn't make it to Europe even with the premium seats as they feared, so they decided to just go all out and make it a regional monster.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:34 pm

well, that is indeed type maximum. But why couldn't it reach Europe. I understand that is a lot of people, but if the quote says 440 @ 6500nmi... Why shouldn't be believe them?
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:35 pm

How many lavatories?
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:40 pm

danj555 wrote:
well, that is indeed type maximum. But why couldn't it reach Europe. I understand that is a lot of people, but if the quote says 440 @ 6500nmi... Why shouldn't be believe them?


Airbus has never claimed the A330 can fly 6500nm with 440 people on board. They claim the plane can fly 6500nm (still air range) with 287 people. Add more people to that configuration and you are adding weight and the marketing range drops.

With 440 people on board the plane probably won't make it much further past the Mideast from KUL.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:47 pm

more dense than 5J's 436 all Y config?

wow
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:53 pm

9 across Y seat across the entire cabin, that's a nightmare.

Would love to hear those people that claim seat width don't matter have to say about a 16.5 inch width seat.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:12 pm

tphuang wrote:
9 across Y seat across the entire cabin, that's a nightmare.

Would love to hear those people that claim seat width don't matter have to say about a 16.5 inch width seat.


I've flown on AirAsia X KUL-HND return, and it's really not terrible. Considering the price and the stage length of these aircraft there's not a lot to complain about.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:15 pm

tphuang wrote:
9 across Y seat across the entire cabin, that's a nightmare.

Would love to hear those people that claim seat width don't matter have to say about a 16.5 inch width seat.


I flew 5J's A330 a few weeks ago. It was my first time on a 9-abreast A330 and it was not possible to sit naturally with hands on my thighs without my arms resting on the armrests. The return leg was a 5J A320 with wider seats where I could lower my arms comfortably without touching the armrests at all. On the A330, you'll really be rubbing elbow-to-elbow with the person next to you.

But hey, if people don't mind it and can pay the lower fare, power to them!

Interestingly, the lack of bulkheads on 5J's A330 made the cabin feel airier than usual, and you can see the front from the rear easily.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:01 pm

That's the same number of seats that SQ has on its dense A380s... An A380... The other low density for SQ's A380 has 379 seats.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:20 pm

LH 748s have 364 seats. JAL’s similarly sized 789 seats 195.

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Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:36 pm

This is awful but is it the best CASM on the skies?
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:36 pm

I assume they will still have the rows at the back which are 2x3x2. So, if you are 2 people, there is the possibility of having 2 seats to yourself. I did this on a TS A332 some years ago, and it was perfectly fine.

TS was flying the route and schedule I preferred, and even with the seat selection fee, it was cheaper than any other option. So, for some folks, this configuration might be exactly what they want.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:38 pm

I have flown a fully booked 436 seat 5J A330 SIN-MNL on a window seat, and it was the worst midnight flight, and the worst overall, I have taken ever.

The first hour was bearable, the following hours were hell. No matter what position I tried, it was uncomfortable, I was sleepy but didn't manage to get some sleep.

It was a combination of the really tight width, barely any legroom, and the tight curvature of the walls. 8-abreast A330s is heaven, heck even 10- on 777 felt generously comfortable in comparison.

Hauling 440 people to places around two hours from KUL is obviously the target. 440 on KUL-NRT is too much to handle for passengers.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:54 pm

[threeid][/threeid]
Strato2 wrote:
This is awful but is it the best CASM on the skies?


It has to be. Maybe the A380 would beat it if you took Airbus' reference 853-pax layout and added 11ab downstairs and 9ab upstairs (~950 seats?). Of course that's impossible without an extra door and recertification.

What's the longest 9ab A330 flight? KUL-SYD? MNL-DXB (Cebu Pacific)?
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:18 pm

PPVLC wrote:
How many lavatories?


1. :boxedin:

In all seriousness, I could see 6? 2 aft and 2 forward, 2 mid or is that not possible?
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:22 pm

Matt6461 wrote:
[threeid][/threeid]
Strato2 wrote:
This is awful but is it the best CASM on the skies?


It has to be. Maybe the A380 would beat it if you took Airbus' reference 853-pax layout and added 11ab downstairs and 9ab upstairs (~950 seats?). Of course that's impossible without an extra door and recertification.

What's the longest 9ab A330 flight? KUL-SYD? MNL-DXB (Cebu Pacific)?

YVR-AMS (Air Transit) 9h30m
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:22 pm

Cebu Pacific's A330s, with 436 seats, have 8 lavs (2 front, 4 at Door 3, 2 rear). I'm guessing Air Asia will have a similar count and will squeeze in the extra 4 seats using spacelavs or whatever Airbus is calling them for the A330.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:30 pm

Will the A330NEO get reworked sidewall linings? Maybe Airbus was able to find an inch or so more space. The fuselage curvature problem will remain of course.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:45 pm

kmz wrote:
Will the A330NEO get reworked sidewall linings? Maybe Airbus was able to find an inch or so more space. The fuselage curvature problem will remain of course.


Au contraire, according to Airbus, the -900 cabin is 2 cm narrower (5.26 m vs 5.28 m).
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

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aerolimani wrote:
Matt6461 wrote:
[threeid][/threeid]
Strato2 wrote:
This is awful but is it the best CASM on the skies?


It has to be. Maybe the A380 would beat it if you took Airbus' reference 853-pax layout and added 11ab downstairs and 9ab upstairs (~950 seats?). Of course that's impossible without an extra door and recertification.

What's the longest 9ab A330 flight? KUL-SYD? MNL-DXB (Cebu Pacific)?

YVR-AMS (Air Transit) 9h30m


Thanks! {shudders}
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:47 pm

Those are hard working flight crew!

Would be a sight to see the boarding area. I remember boarding an A380 for the first time and that was impressive.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:28 pm

Perhaps a bit off topic, but I've wondered about this.... at what point do cabin floors need strengthening given more passenger weight? If the plane is certified for a maximum X number of passengers, perhaps it's already taken into account. But few carriers go to the maximum, so that would be extra structural weight. Are planes built with that in mind? Or is the floor structure more of an integral part of the overall fuselage and could handle more weight than max passengers anyway? Recent baggage fees have only increased overall cabin weight in some markets, adding more carry ons.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:40 pm

cschleic wrote:
Perhaps a bit off topic, but I've wondered about this.... at what point do cabin floors need strengthening given more passenger weight? If the plane is certified for a maximum X number of passengers, perhaps it's already taken into account. But few carriers go to the maximum, so that would be extra structural weight. Are planes built with that in mind? Or is the floor structure more of an integral part of the overall fuselage and could handle more weight than max passengers anyway? Recent baggage fees have only increased overall cabin weight in some markets, adding more carry ons.


You rather have floor problems with the heavy first and business class seats, 440 Y is nicely distributed.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:25 pm

They just need to go as far as Istanbul and that will do ..... forget London Paris or Frankfurt
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:40 pm

Thankfully there are far fewer 3-3-3 A330 operators than 3-4-3 777 ones.
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:39 pm

Well, casm has to be great. After all they are a budget carrier so it's not like they are over promising.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:07 pm

iirc 440 is the exit limit for A330?
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:18 pm

c933103 wrote:
iirc 440 is the exit limit for A330?


Correct.
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:20 pm

Would the seatpitch be better than 5J since this aircraft will feature spaceflex?
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:25 pm

Why are airlines bragging so much about how many seats are places on airplane these days, they have no shame. A330 should be 8 seats per row not 9. Air Asia X is a ULCC, there is a point at which its too ridiculous and 440 seats on a A330-300 is just silly. Airbus and Boeing should be shamed for allowing their customers to have such tight seating configurations.

Norwegian and Scoot do the LCC thing the right way. Air Asia X just is the Asia People Express. Tony Fernandes should have "standards" for his long haul airline, he is a celebrity in Asia. Mr Fernandes' airline has shown us that "cheap" can be "too cheap".
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:57 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Why are airlines bragging so much about how many seats are places on airplane these days, they have no shame. A330 should be 8 seats per row not 9. Air Asia X is a ULCC, there is a point at which its too ridiculous and 440 seats on a A330-300 is just silly. Airbus and Boeing should be shamed for allowing their customers to have such tight seating configurations.

Norwegian and Scoot do the LCC thing the right way. Air Asia X just is the Asia People Express. Tony Fernandes should have "standards" for his long haul airline, he is a celebrity in Asia. Mr Fernandes' airline has shown us that "cheap" can be "too cheap".


It is the way the Malaysian aviation industry functions though. Most people look for the cheapest fare first and foremost. Some of the fares on Airasia are borderline ridiculous though. From my exprience, I have flown KUL-PER return in around MYR700 while a one way KUL-SBW (2 hour flight) was a whopping MYR60. These kind of loss making fares are what that convinces the public to assume that AK/D7 is always the cheapest. Their fares on routes they monopoly is generally very high though.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:58 pm

It's just a matter of time before this seating configuration (3-3-3) in Economy on the A330/A350 will become standard. Like 3-3-3 on the 787... It's all about revenue
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:12 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Why are airlines bragging so much about how many seats are places on airplane these days, they have no shame. A330 should be 8 seats per row not 9. Air Asia X is a ULCC, there is a point at which its too ridiculous and 440 seats on a A330-300 is just silly. Airbus and Boeing should be shamed for allowing their customers to have such tight seating configurations.

Norwegian and Scoot do the LCC thing the right way. Air Asia X just is the Asia People Express. Tony Fernandes should have "standards" for his long haul airline, he is a celebrity in Asia. Mr Fernandes' airline has shown us that "cheap" can be "too cheap".


And yet AirAsia X is more financially strong than Norwegian long-haul and Scoot. Maybe it too should be less 'cheap' and earn less. Or it can continue to offer choice for those who seek the lowest average fare.
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:38 pm

wait, by configurating it as all economy, are they doing away with their premium flatbed from 330ceo?
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:46 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Why are airlines bragging so much about how many seats are places on airplane these days, they have no shame. A330 should be 8 seats per row not 9. Air Asia X is a ULCC, there is a point at which its too ridiculous and 440 seats on a A330-300 is just silly. Airbus and Boeing should be shamed for allowing their customers to have such tight seating configurations.

Norwegian and Scoot do the LCC thing the right way. Air Asia X just is the Asia People Express. Tony Fernandes should have "standards" for his long haul airline, he is a celebrity in Asia. Mr Fernandes' airline has shown us that "cheap" can be "too cheap".

I would believe it would be better off for LCCs to be no more than an efficient economical people mover. They helped peopple to get from point to point in a most efficient and economical way
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:49 pm

rttlnsnk wrote:
It is the way the Malaysian aviation industry functions though. Most people look for the cheapest fare first and foremost. Some of the fares on Airasia are borderline ridiculous though. From my exprience, I have flown KUL-PER return in around MYR700 while a one way KUL-SBW (2 hour flight) was a whopping MYR60. These kind of loss making fares are what that convinces the public to assume that AK/D7 is always the cheapest. Their fares on routes they monopoly is generally very high though.

It is not just Malaysia, but same for rest of the world

DeltaWings wrote:
It's just a matter of time before this seating configuration (3-3-3) in Economy on the A330/A350 will become standard. Like 3-3-3 on the 787... It's all about revenue

Well, 2-4-2 on 767 did not become mainstream configuration, so most airlines aren't doing that much yet....
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:59 pm

440 seats in an A339 sounds absolutely horrible. What a sardine can. But it really does sound like a money maker if you can sell the tickets to fill it up.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:08 pm

DeltaWings wrote:
It's just a matter of time before this seating configuration (3-3-3) in Economy on the A330/A350 will become standard. Like 3-3-3 on the 787... It's all about revenue

3-3-3 on A350 is the standard. Its cabin is wider than both A330 and 787.
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:08 pm

aaah! now we can label the 330 Airbus's answer to the 777X - and another VLA
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:34 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Why are airlines bragging so much about how many seats are places on airplane these days, they have no shame. A330 should be 8 seats per row not 9. Air Asia X is a ULCC, there is a point at which its too ridiculous and 440 seats on a A330-300 is just silly. Airbus and Boeing should be shamed for allowing their customers to have such tight seating configurations.

Norwegian and Scoot do the LCC thing the right way. Air Asia X just is the Asia People Express. Tony Fernandes should have "standards" for his long haul airline, he is a celebrity in Asia. Mr Fernandes' airline has shown us that "cheap" can be "too cheap".

AirAsia gives out more seat pitch than Scoot and Norwegian in economy and offer lie-flat seats in their premium seats which neither Scoot or Norwegian offers.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:35 pm

It`s great to have choice. AirAsia are doing what works for them, & passengers likewise are getting fares
that work for them. AirAsia shouldn`t be castigated for offering an alternative at one end of the spectrum.
anymore than SQ or Emirates at the other. More power to Mr F!
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:10 am

DeltaWings wrote:
It's just a matter of time before this seating configuration (3-3-3) in Economy on the A330/A350 will become standard. Like 3-3-3 on the 787... It's all about revenue

It won't. It's not the first day that 3-3-3 is put on an A330 (think of Air Inter, one of the launch customers). 25 years later, I can still count the number of airlines using 3-3-3 with both hands.
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:36 am

JetBuddy wrote:
440 seats in an A339 sounds absolutely horrible. What a sardine can. But it really does sound like a money maker if you can sell the tickets to fill it up.


Will be an fun ride on AKL-OOL-KUL but then when they sell this route for $199NZD (US$140) you can't really expect much.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:02 am

I am just disappointed that they are not putting premium seats on these A330neo. I am too fat to fly 9 abreast Y on Airbus A330 but like Air Asia X's premium product. They are reasonably priced and offered a much better product than Scoot and Norwegian. Despite being angled flat seats, they are at least lie flat with good meal options to purchase in advance. I know Premium seats sales struggle a bit on some of the medium haul flights but for Japan, they are always full.

I guess I won't fly Air Asia X's A330NEO!

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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:10 am

All of a sudden, 5J ceased being the sardine can fiend :!: :stirthepot:
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:02 am

Matt6461 wrote:
[threeid][/threeid]
Strato2 wrote:
This is awful but is it the best CASM on the skies?


It has to be. Maybe the A380 would beat it if you took Airbus' reference 853-pax layout and added 11ab downstairs and 9ab upstairs (~950 seats?). Of course that's impossible without an extra door and recertification.

What's the longest 9ab A330 flight? KUL-SYD? MNL-DXB (Cebu Pacific)?


I flew Monarch's G-SMAN back in the day (2002/3) LGW-TAB. That was a long flight.

The poster above is correct about there being several rows of 2-3-2 at the rear though, I did AGO-MAN on the same aircraft in I think 2012 and bagged a window in the rear. It was far better.
 
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Re: AirAsia X A330neo to feature 440 seats

Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:06 am

tphuang wrote:
9 across Y seat across the entire cabin, that's a nightmare.

Would love to hear those people that claim seat width don't matter have to say about a 16.5 inch width seat.


Many would probably say that (for example) the difference between 17.2 and 17.8 is different than between 16.5 and 17.8.
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