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Incidents With Incapacitated Pilot

Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:33 pm

Last night I had a discussion with a friend if there were ever any incidents where all pilots in an airplane were unable to operate the aircraft and passengers had to take over. And, if yes, if a successful landing had been accomplished afterwards.

Out of the top of my head I couldn't come up with anything. Anyone can think of such an incident?
 
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Re: Incidents With Incapacitated Pilot

Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:50 pm

Talk Down Landings
None that I know of in the commercial world.
There have been several in the GA world though.

Off the top of my head. Passenger landed a C172 in Humberside back in 2013(?) after the pilot (ultimately DOA) died during the flight. Took an hour or so, several attempts, two instructors, atc and help from a RAF Seaking crew.
 
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Re: Incidents With Incapacitated Pilot

Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:53 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-24450534

I'm sure there was video released from the Sea King at some point too.
 
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Re: Incidents With Incapacitated Pilot

Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:49 pm

I think there was an incident with a single pilot helicopter air ambulance where the pilot was incapacitated. I can't remember if it was from a bird strike or other medical incident. The operation I work with does training with the medical crew on how to use the autopilot to fly the aircraft to a runway for landing. We fly single-pilot with single-controls.
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Re: Incidents With Incapacitated Pilot

Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:57 pm

I don't know of any incidents myself, but, when I used to fly as a passenger in a small helicopter for the government, there was only ever one pilot. I would take the left seat where there were very basic controls (cyclic, collective, and the pedals, but aside from a couple of indicators, almost nothing else). On our first flight together, he talked me through the procedure of getting the helicopter to flat land and putting it down and was very instructive with every landing. He was older and near retirement, so I guess he was just going over a what-if. Now, would I have been able to have landed it if he passed out? That's a whole different story. I will say that there was some "practical flight procedures demonstration" that occurred, but I wouldn't say that it in any way made me anything close to competent.
 
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Re: Incidents With Incapacitated Pilot

Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:48 pm

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your stewardess speaking. We regret any inconvenience the sudden cabin movement might have caused. This is due to periodic air pockets we encountered. There's no reason to become alarmed and we hope you enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"
 
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Re: Incidents With Incapacitated Pilot

Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:54 am

Seabear wrote:
"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your stewardess speaking. We regret any inconvenience the sudden cabin movement might have caused. This is due to periodic air pockets we encountered. There's no reason to become alarmed and we hope you enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"


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Re: Incidents With Incapacitated Pilot

Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:07 am

Only really bad on was a southwest 737 did a few 360s on the north side wile landing on 24R in LAX. The Capt froze up due to dehydration, lack of sleep , low blood sugar and the flu or something medical. The f/o saw him drift of the centerline at about 300ft and informed him but the Capt did not respond and actually froze up and passed out on the controls. The f/o grabbed the wheel and got the plane in a slight climb and added power and they ended up doing a circle or 2 before the flight attendant got up to the cockpit to help pull the Capt off the controls. F/o landed and all was well.

Flying magazine did a great article on it about 10 years ago. Someone on this site has the info.
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Re: Incidents With Incapacitated Pilot

Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:57 am

The chances of a relatively untrained person landing an aircraft are relatively slim in my opinion, but not unprecedented...

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/04/eig ... id-flight/

I often wondered if I could have landed Flight 93 on 9/11 had I made it into the flight deck after the hijackers had been subdued. At the time my logbook reflected about 400 hours of single engine time, although unlogged was about 12-15 hours of 727, MD-80, 737, and 777 sim time.

While I am confident I could have made it to the airport, it is likely the mains would have touched well short of the runway. My first time in a 757 jumpseat left me amazed at the sight picture and the height of the flight deck at touchdown!

As for an untrained person landing a helicopter? I'd guess the odds would be incredibly slim, but an fling wing pilot may have more input!

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