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wnflyguy wrote:Since Cuba been TRUMPED we all knew it's only been a matter of time!
LAXintl wrote:Good, sanity prevails.
Bulk of the over exuberant Cuba flying should be dropped by US carriers.
LAXintl wrote:Merely convinent PR cover. Flights were losers from the git go.
INFINITI329 wrote:Cuba visa requirements for U.S. nationals are what's preventing the non-HAV flights from really taking off.
usxguy wrote:45 must be the most amazing President ever if a minor policy change, enacted by him not only a month ago, has had such a HUGE AND PROFOUND effect on Southwest Airlines.
Just wow!
I cant wait to see how quickly the ME3 fold after a policy change affecting the Middle East hits....
rwsea wrote:INFINITI329 wrote:Cuba visa requirements for U.S. nationals are what's preventing the non-HAV flights from really taking off.
Not true. No visa issues whatsoever for Americans wanting to visit Cuba.
The issue is the US treasury department restrictions placed on US Nationals, and I would guess that the issues related to the sanctions (can't book hotels online, use credit cards, etc.) seal the deal.
lavalampluva wrote:Cuba has been pretty much a bust. Every other international carrier has been flying there forever. But the U.S. just could not make it work.
INFINITI329 wrote:Cuba visa requirements for U.S. nationals are what's preventing the non-HAV flights from really taking off.
INFINITI329 wrote:rwsea wrote:INFINITI329 wrote:Cuba visa requirements for U.S. nationals are what's preventing the non-HAV flights from really taking off.
Not true. No visa issues whatsoever for Americans wanting to visit Cuba.
The issue is the US treasury department restrictions placed on US Nationals, and I would guess that the issues related to the sanctions (can't book hotels online, use credit cards, etc.) seal the deal.
I loosey worded it but I meant the State department restrictions, I didnt mean the cuban government
mtnwest1979 wrote:This will make Providenciales the 100th destination in November for WN, Havana was the previous one. With VRA and SNU going, they that will bring them down to 99.
Have a great day.
commavia wrote:LAXintl wrote:Good, sanity prevails.
Bulk of the over exuberant Cuba flying should be dropped by US carriers.
These secondary Cuba markets were likely always going to be long shots for Southwest, but this is also another example of a situation where Southwest's all-737 fleet is, if anything, a hindrance. JetBlue has E190s and AA has the flexibility to downgauge to E175s - and that is undoubtedly useful is markets this thin. That said, again, I definitely agree that these were unlikely to ever be viable for Southwest.LAXintl wrote:Merely convinent PR cover. Flights were losers from the git go.
I doubt this has the slightest bit to do with the present administration, especially since these non-HAV markets are likely far more reliant on VFR traffic that is relatively less affected one way or another by the recently announced changes, anyway.
MAH4546 wrote:INFINITI329 wrote:Cuba visa requirements for U.S. nationals are what's preventing the non-HAV flights from really taking off.
There are no visa requirements. You literally check a box and boom, you have a visa. There are restrictions on spending money - you can't use credit cards.
mtnwest1979 wrote:mtnwest1979 wrote:This will make Providenciales the 100th destination in November for WN, Havana was the previous one. With VRA and SNU going, they that will bring them down to 99.
Have a great day.
Plus, when DAY and CAK ended 6/3 ;CVG or GCM became destination 100 then as well on 6/4 when service commenced to those two.
wnflyguy wrote:Since Cuba been TRUMPED we all knew it's only been a matter of time!
With the lengthy 3 idle aircraft time especially for CUBA operations hopefully they can use the 2 VRA time to add KIN and the SNU time to add another MBJ turn.
Flyguy
wnflyguy wrote:WN had proposed and applied for the additional vacant slot in HAV to go to 3 daily FLL-HAV flights.
I wonder if it will now repeal it's request.
As for the two vacant aircraft times it leaves a 7 hour gap for each aircraft. Only one can wonder we're they're going to redeploy those aircraft to?
Flyguy
wnflyguy wrote:WN had proposed and applied for the additional vacant slot in HAV to go to 3 daily FLL-HAV flights.
I wonder if it will now repeal it's request.
As for the two vacant aircraft times it leaves a 7 hour gap for each aircraft. Only one can wonder we're they're going to redeploy those aircraft to?
Flyguy
jco613 wrote:Doubtful...from what I hear HAV is doing very well and TPA-HAV has been a home run. That said, I am worried about their standing with the Feds now for getting the other FLL-HAV
TerminalD wrote:There's also not enough tourist infrastructure for all those flights and the good resorts raised prices through the roof. The whole thing was a disaster from the start. I've been predicting HAV will start seeing cuts now.
wnflyguy wrote:WN had proposed and applied for the additional vacant slot in HAV to go to 3 daily FLL-HAV flights.
I wonder if it will now repeal it's request.
As for the two vacant aircraft times it leaves a 7 hour gap for each aircraft. Only one can wonder we're they're going to redeploy those aircraft to?
Flyguy
DfwAussie wrote:From the beginning, the only service that would probably ever work is MIA-HAV. Even those flights should be made by AA E75s maybe 2-3x times a day.
DfwAussie wrote:From the beginning, the only service that would probably ever work is MIA-HAV. Even those flights should be made by AA E75s maybe 2-3x times a day.
axiom wrote:If MIA/FLL/TPA-HAV weren't doing well, I doubt you'd 1) see carriers requesting additional slots (in S. FL) and 2) see charter airlines continue to serve those markets. Charter flights aren't cheap to secure -- they're a sign there's cash flow in the market.
Biged wrote:There is literally nothing around Santa Clara. It is very rural and 3 hours from Havana.
spinkid wrote:While most others can still travel to Cuba easily, its still a hassle for Americans. Trump isn't making it any easier, but the problem has existed since day one. Even people who understand travel, know that you have to meet a certain criteria to visit Cuba. While pretty much anyone can meet it, most people don't think they can, or see it as an impediment.
Compared to just going online and booking a package through Southwest, Expedia, etc to any other island in the Caribbean, Cuba is a real hassle.
B727skyguy wrote:spinkid wrote:While most others can still travel to Cuba easily, its still a hassle for Americans. Trump isn't making it any easier, but the problem has existed since day one. Even people who understand travel, know that you have to meet a certain criteria to visit Cuba. While pretty much anyone can meet it, most people don't think they can, or see it as an impediment.
Compared to just going online and booking a package through Southwest, Expedia, etc to any other island in the Caribbean, Cuba is a real hassle.
Who wants the hassle of documenting every minute of their activities while in Cuba and retaining those detailed records for a minimum of five years? It's interesting to note that according to the US Treasury site, the travel restrictions apply to anyone, foreign national or US citizen, who resides in the United States.
Here is the documentation requirement from the CFR:
§501.601 Records and recordkeeping requirements.
Except as otherwise provided, every person engaging in any transaction subject to the provisions of this chapter shall keep a full and accurate record of each such transaction engaged in, regardless of whether such transaction is effected pursuant to license or otherwise, and such record shall be available for examination for at least 5 years after the date of such transaction.
I never understood all the hype about the flood of new flights to Cuba considering that the travel restrictions were still in place just as they have been for over 50 years. It should come as no surprise to anyone that these WN flights were a flop.
LAXintl wrote:Good, sanity prevails.
Bulk of the over exuberant Cuba flying should be dropped by US carriers.wnflyguy wrote:Since Cuba been TRUMPED we all knew it's only been a matter of time!
Merely convinent PR cover. Flights were losers from the git go.