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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:19 pm

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United_fan wrote:
United retired around 75 737-200's and 727-200's the end of October 2001.


I believe this was all done on one day and like you mention I think it was last day of October. I know I was flying out of GEG that day and a 72A was heading to O'Hare and that was it.

UA had something like 50-55 72A's and 24 73A's (all 73A from Frontier) and service ended on one, single day.


October 30th. I went to my home airport every morning the last week to see and hear the 727 to ORD leave.
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:34 pm

66 planes is a lot even for a huge airline like WN to retire at once. If they aren't going to be back up to the same numbers again until April of next year, that means there will be cuts somewhere for at least awhile, schedule posted or not. Hopefully the medium- and smaller markets don't take it on the nose.

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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:50 pm

IPFreely wrote:
A net reduction of 20 planes is a strong indication that the expected station closures will become reality by year end.


KarlB737 wrote:
I expect this is when we will see some routes, frequencies and/or cities cut to assist in this transformation.


tkoenig95 wrote:
Has WN released any lists regarding reductions in frequencies of particular routes, axing certain routes, etc.?


DCA-ROCguy wrote:
66 planes is a lot even for a huge airline like WN to retire at once. If they aren't going to be back up to the same numbers again until April of next year, that means there will be cuts somewhere for at least awhile, schedule posted or not. Hopefully the medium- and smaller markets don't take it on the nose.


What part of "the schedule for this transition period is already released and no non-seasonal cities/routes were axed as a result of this" is so hard for the armchair CEO's in this forum to understand? It's been covered in this thread and others over and again. WN has taken a significant number of used -700's and new -800's in the past couple of years to help soften the blow of these retirements.
 
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:08 pm

Agreed Maverick -

The "speculation" on things that are already spelled out - in no uncertain terms - is entertaining to say the least.
The elimination 22 aircraft/mo for the next three months, has long ago been mitigated.
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:05 pm

How long are crew scheduling going to have to be on top form for?

My understanding is that crews cannot be rated in the Classic and MAX simultaneously. It seems that the classics will be pulled from service on Sept 30 and the available MAXs will enter service on Oct 1. I imagine that conversion from Classic to MAX is relatively quick but there will be a period of time when crew will be effectively rated on the NG only.

How long will this period be, and in view of the comments regarding WN's IT capability, how confident are the crews that nobody will be allocated to a flight they are not rated to operate?
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:34 pm

barney captain wrote:
Agreed Maverick -

The "speculation" on things that are already spelled out - in no uncertain terms - is entertaining to say the least.
The elimination 22 aircraft/mo for the next three months, has long ago been mitigated.


Especially when these older frames are likely flying a bit less productively as well.
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:31 pm

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I believe the aging 733s are primarily used on intra-Texas routes these days, much like the -200's and -500's were in their final days before retirement. However, the condition of the old Classic was *far* better than I expected.


Just had one on PHX-LAX (coincidentally on the hottest day of the year!). I saw four or five of them that afternoon parked at gates, so they're definitely getting sent outside Texas.

The inside was in surprisingly decent shape and the air conditioning actually worked! Dare I say it was cooler on that plane than my -700 was the other afternoon leaving PHX. First time in four years I wasn't soaked in sweat when getting a -300 out of Phoenix.

That being said, the 300s need to go ASAP. I was commiserating with a Gate Agent about the 300s, and we both agreed that they should never be routed through PHX, LAS or southern Texas in the summer months.
 
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Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:13 pm

chrisair wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
I believe the aging 733s are primarily used on intra-Texas routes these days, much like the -200's and -500's were in their final days before retirement. However, the condition of the old Classic was *far* better than I expected.


Just had one on PHX-LAX (coincidentally on the hottest day of the year!). I saw four or five of them that afternoon parked at gates, so they're definitely getting sent outside Texas.

The inside was in surprisingly decent shape and the air conditioning actually worked! Dare I say it was cooler on that plane than my -700 was the other afternoon leaving PHX. First time in four years I wasn't soaked in sweat when getting a -300 out of Phoenix.

That being said, the 300s need to go ASAP. I was commiserating with a Gate Agent about the 300s, and we both agreed that they should never be routed through PHX, LAS or southern Texas in the summer months.


Speaking of heat I had a connection in LAS last weekend. I think it was 110+ (not to mention it was really windy which made for a little bit of a wild landing). I was inbound on a -700 and had a -800 on my outbound. What a difference. The 800 was cooler inside than the airport was.
 
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Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:32 pm

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How long are crew scheduling going to have to be on top form for?

My understanding is that crews cannot be rated in the Classic and MAX simultaneously. It seems that the classics will be pulled from service on Sept 30 and the available MAXs will enter service on Oct 1. I imagine that conversion from Classic to MAX is relatively quick but there will be a period of time when crew will be effectively rated on the NG only.

How long will this period be, and in view of the comments regarding WN's IT capability, how confident are the crews that nobody will be allocated to a flight they are not rated to operate?

From what I have read all of the WN crews will be trained on the MAX by October 1st. So while the crews will be trained on all types since there is no FAA approved training for Classic and MAX flying they couldn't fly both. Yes that sounds strange but that is the government for you. So bottom line there will be no scheduling issues involving training concerming the MAX come October 1st.
 
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Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:37 pm

jbmitt wrote:
Didn't the majors park 727s quickly after 9/11? I recall DL phasing out 727, L1011, 733 (glass and non-glass) 732 all in short order.

DL kept the 732's til around 2005 and the 733's til around then as well...maybe into 06.
 
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:51 am

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jbmitt wrote:
Didn't the majors park 727s quickly after 9/11? I recall DL phasing out 727, L1011, 733 (glass and non-glass) 732 all in short order.

DL kept the 732's til around 2005 and the 733's til around then as well...maybe into 06.


Actually the opposite. The 733s were retired before the 732s! The -200s lasted until late 2006 or so, while the -300s were gone in '05.
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:09 pm

VolvoBus wrote:
How long are crew scheduling going to have to be on top form for?

My understanding is that crews cannot be rated in the Classic and MAX simultaneously. It seems that the classics will be pulled from service on Sept 30 and the available MAXs will enter service on Oct 1. I imagine that conversion from Classic to MAX is relatively quick but there will be a period of time when crew will be effectively rated on the NG only.

How long will this period be, and in view of the comments regarding WN's IT capability, how confident are the crews that nobody will be allocated to a flight they are not rated to operate?


If they stop classics on Sept 30 & start max service in Oct 1st. there wont be any time the crew are NG only.
 
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:56 pm

rbavfan wrote:
VolvoBus wrote:
How long are crew scheduling going to have to be on top form for?

My understanding is that crews cannot be rated in the Classic and MAX simultaneously. It seems that the classics will be pulled from service on Sept 30 and the available MAXs will enter service on Oct 1. I imagine that conversion from Classic to MAX is relatively quick but there will be a period of time when crew will be effectively rated on the NG only.

How long will this period be, and in view of the comments regarding WN's IT capability, how confident are the crews that nobody will be allocated to a flight they are not rated to operate?


If they stop classics on Sept 30 & start max service in Oct 1st. there wont be any time the crew are NG only.

rbavfan:
Correct, in particular as WN doesn't do redeyes.

The MAX offers new routes. I'll be interested to know if any are ETOPS equiped/certified for Hawaii duty as well as flights to South America.

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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:21 pm

rbavfan wrote:
VolvoBus wrote:
How long are crew scheduling going to have to be on top form for?

My understanding is that crews cannot be rated in the Classic and MAX simultaneously. It seems that the classics will be pulled from service on Sept 30 and the available MAXs will enter service on Oct 1. I imagine that conversion from Classic to MAX is relatively quick but there will be a period of time when crew will be effectively rated on the NG only.

How long will this period be, and in view of the comments regarding WN's IT capability, how confident are the crews that nobody will be allocated to a flight they are not rated to operate?


If they stop classics on Sept 30 & start max service in Oct 1st. there wont be any time the crew are NG only.


So my understanding is wrong,then. My scenario was ,if the crew qualified in Classics are flying them on Sept 30, they will have to re-qualify overnight to be able to fly MAXs on Oct 1..
 
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:29 pm

VolvoBus wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
VolvoBus wrote:
How long are crew scheduling going to have to be on top form for?

My understanding is that crews cannot be rated in the Classic and MAX simultaneously. It seems that the classics will be pulled from service on Sept 30 and the available MAXs will enter service on Oct 1. I imagine that conversion from Classic to MAX is relatively quick but there will be a period of time when crew will be effectively rated on the NG only.

How long will this period be, and in view of the comments regarding WN's IT capability, how confident are the crews that nobody will be allocated to a flight they are not rated to operate?


If they stop classics on Sept 30 & start max service in Oct 1st. there wont be any time the crew are NG only.


So my understanding is wrong,then. My scenario was ,if the crew qualified in Classics are flying them on Sept 30, they will have to re-qualify overnight to be able to fly MAXs on Oct 1..

Yes. Your understanding is wrong. All pilots will be already trained before the first MAX enters service on October 1st. Training should begin by the end of July. It's just an online differences course.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:00 pm

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VolvoBus wrote:
rbavfan wrote:

If they stop classics on Sept 30 & start max service in Oct 1st. there wont be any time the crew are NG only.


So my understanding is wrong,then. My scenario was ,if the crew qualified in Classics are flying them on Sept 30, they will have to re-qualify overnight to be able to fly MAXs on Oct 1..

Yes. Your understanding is wrong. All pilots will be already trained before the first MAX enters service on October 1st. Training should begin by the end of July. It's just an online differences course.

Serious question, can a pilot take the training and take the MAX check rides and still fly the classic with an overnight submittal of the paperwork?

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Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:08 am

lightsaber wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
VolvoBus wrote:
How long are crew scheduling going to have to be on top form for?

My understanding is that crews cannot be rated in the Classic and MAX simultaneously. It seems that the classics will be pulled from service on Sept 30 and the available MAXs will enter service on Oct 1. I imagine that conversion from Classic to MAX is relatively quick but there will be a period of time when crew will be effectively rated on the NG only.

How long will this period be, and in view of the comments regarding WN's IT capability, how confident are the crews that nobody will be allocated to a flight they are not rated to operate?


If they stop classics on Sept 30 & start max service in Oct 1st. there wont be any time the crew are NG only.

rbavfan:
Correct, in particular as WN doesn't do redeyes.

The MAX offers new routes. I'll be interested to know if any are ETOPS equiped/certified for Hawaii duty as well as flights to South America.

Lightsaber


No the current batch of MAX deliveries are not ETOPS. At least from walking around the Boeing Renton flight line several times and looking at the 8 or so WN fully painted MAX's that do not have ETOPS anywhere on the aircraft.
 
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Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:22 am

Is Tucson the airport used for scrapping? I drove by there today and must have seen 12-15 SW jets in various stages of teardown.
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Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:34 pm

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Is Tucson the airport used for scrapping? I drove by there today and must have seen 12-15 SW jets in various stages of teardown.


Yes the majority go there and a few to Stuggart Arkansas
 
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Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:42 pm

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beefstew25 wrote:
Is Tucson the airport used for scrapping? I drove by there today and must have seen 12-15 SW jets in various stages of teardown.


Yes the majority go there and a few to Stuggart Arkansas

As well as Roswell
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:14 pm

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n471wn wrote:
beefstew25 wrote:
Is Tucson the airport used for scrapping? I drove by there today and must have seen 12-15 SW jets in various stages of teardown.


Yes the majority go there and a few to Stuggart Arkansas

As well as Roswell


Yes and a further review shows that the 300's have also gone to Mohave and Victorville and Kingman and Indianapolis and Everett (Paine Field) and Kansas City and Greenwood and Marana.
 
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Have there been any developments concerning the conversion of B737-300's into fire tankers?.
 
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I hope air crew will not be temporarily laid off as they retire the 300's and as new aircraft are delivered.
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:52 pm

^What? SWA is not reducing flying lol. They are adding 67 175-seaters this year and flying the NG's more to cover the gap of 87 classics leaving. I think someone calculated it to be around a gap of 11 a/c in reality.
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:58 pm

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I hope air crew will not be temporarily laid off as they retire the 300's and as new aircraft are delivered.


Since the MAX 8 for 733/735 is part of the ungauging trend that's been going on for a few years, it's technically true that WN can replace seats 1 for 1 while reducing frames (and pilot hours). Given WN ASM growth trend, however, it would be a very short blip. There may be some small and temporary reduction in pilot hours on average. It would be costly - in retraining - and very counterproductive (in terms of pilot relations) to have an actual layoff, IMHO.
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:19 pm

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I hope air crew will not be temporarily laid off as they retire the 300's and as new aircraft are delivered.

The Union would not allow it. Besides I would assume they would be typed in a 700 NG.

I am a bit confused as to why a pilot can't be typed on a 300 and a Max at the same time?
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:22 pm

travaz wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
I hope air crew will not be temporarily laid off as they retire the 300's and as new aircraft are delivered.

The Union would not allow it. Besides I would assume they would be typed in a 700 NG.

I am a bit confused as to why a pilot can't be typed on a 300 and a Max at the same time?


A WN pilot can only be typed on two types out of Classic/NG/Max. Therefore WN is getting rid of the Classic -300 before Max so all pilots can be NG/Max and able to fly all aircraft.
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:26 pm

george77300 wrote:
travaz wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
I hope air crew will not be temporarily laid off as they retire the 300's and as new aircraft are delivered.

The Union would not allow it. Besides I would assume they would be typed in a 700 NG.

I am a bit confused as to why a pilot can't be typed on a 300 and a Max at the same time?


A WN pilot can only be typed on two types out of Classic/NG/Max. Therefore WN is getting rid of the Classic -300 before Max so all pilots can be NG/Max and able to fly all aircraft.


OK thanks for the info. Is that a WN rule or FAA or Union?
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:32 pm

If I may make a suggestion on people who see a thread title and read a few comments the ask a question. Read the entire thread first. I was recently eviscerated by someone because had I looked further down the thread, I would have seen the answer to my posted question.
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:32 pm

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george77300 wrote:
travaz wrote:
The Union would not allow it. Besides I would assume they would be typed in a 700 NG.

I am a bit confused as to why a pilot can't be typed on a 300 and a Max at the same time?


A WN pilot can only be typed on two types out of Classic/NG/Max. Therefore WN is getting rid of the Classic -300 before Max so all pilots can be NG/Max and able to fly all aircraft.


OK thanks for the info. Is that a WN rule or FAA or Union?


Not a clue I'm afraid, but almost definitely one of the three although it's not a WN rule.
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:07 pm

How many 737-300s have been parked by WN? In July? In Aug.

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Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:16 pm

george77300 wrote:
travaz wrote:
george77300 wrote:

A WN pilot can only be typed on two types out of Classic/NG/Max. Therefore WN is getting rid of the Classic -300 before Max so all pilots can be NG/Max and able to fly all aircraft.


OK thanks for the info. Is that a WN rule or FAA or Union?


Not a clue I'm afraid, but almost definitely one of the three although it's not a WN rule.


Pretty sure it's a FAA rule
 
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lightsaber wrote:
How many 737-300s have been parked by WN? In July? In Aug.

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Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:39 pm

travaz wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
I hope air crew will not be temporarily laid off as they retire the 300's and as new aircraft are delivered.

The Union would not allow it. Besides I would assume they would be typed in a 700 NG.

I am a bit confused as to why a pilot can't be typed on a 300 and a Max at the same time?


There is no "Classic", NG or MAX type just s 737 type. SW pilots can fly all aircraft at once even in the same trip. The FAA decided that the differences between the "Clasics", NGs and MAXs were to much for the pilots to remain current on. I'm sure the FAA gave SW multiple solutions to the currency problem and SW made the decision to park the jets.

For example at UA the FAA decided a couple years ago that pilots must maintain a 90 day currency on the 767-400, Because the differences are to much from the 767-300 and 757-200/300. That is part of the reason the 764 is relegated to ONLY EWR and IAD. SFO, LAX, ORD, IAH and DEN pilots are not current in the 764 and would need some sort of currency training in order to fly it even though they all have s 767 type rating. I'm sure SW was offered the same deal and figured it was to much of a Hassel to mess with.
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:42 pm

I would imagine that most of these planes being retired are owned planes. For the 600s original to WN from the mid-1990s (some of which are newer than the earliest 737-700s for which WN was the launch customer), has WN been able to find a buyer for most of those frames, such as an aircraft lessor?

BTW, for the winter schedule at UA, it looks as though all of the 764s will be exclusive to Newark.
 
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[quote="aemoreira1981"]I would imagine that most of these planes being retired are owned planes. For the 600s original to WN from the mid-1990s (some of which are newer than the earliest 737-700s for which WN was the launch customer), has WN been able to find a buyer for most of those frames, such as an aircraft lessor?

BTW, for the winter schedule at UA, it looks as though all of the 764s wil


WN never flew the600 series
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:22 am

^I think he is talking about the 600 tail numbers, which are all 737-300's.

A large chunk of the remaining classics are leased.
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Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:21 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I would imagine that most of these planes being retired are owned planes. For the 600s original to WN from the mid-1990s (some of which are newer than the earliest 737-700s for which WN was the launch customer), has WN been able to find a buyer for most of those frames, such as an aircraft lessor?

BTW, for the winter schedule at UA, it looks as though all of the 764s will be exclusive to Newark.

It really goes aircraft by aircraft but WN is purchasing some 733s off lease and retiring them.
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Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:45 pm

n471wn wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
I would imagine that most of these planes being retired are owned planes. For the 600s original to WN from the mid-1990s (some of which are newer than the earliest 737-700s for which WN was the launch customer), has WN been able to find a buyer for most of those frames, such as an aircraft lessor?

BTW, for the winter schedule at UA, it looks as though all of the 764s wil


WN never flew the600 series


600 series plane numbers (i.e., N637SW).
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:27 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
n471wn wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
I would imagine that most of these planes being retired are owned planes. For the 600s original to WN from the mid-1990s (some of which are newer than the earliest 737-700s for which WN was the launch customer), has WN been able to find a buyer for most of those frames, such as an aircraft lessor?

BTW, for the winter schedule at UA, it looks as though all of the 764s wil


WN never flew the600 series


600 series plane numbers (i.e., N637SW).


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Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:27 pm

Some of the latest -300 retirement numbers;

18 leave Aug 14th (today)
10 leave Sept 10th
30 leave Sept 29th
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N383SW
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:43 pm

barney captain wrote:
Some of the latest -300 retirement numbers;

18 leave Aug 14th (today)
10 leave Sept 10th
30 leave Sept 29th


Do you have the tail numbers for the 18 leaving today?
 
barney captain
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:24 pm

N383SW wrote:
barney captain wrote:
Some of the latest -300 retirement numbers;

18 leave Aug 14th (today)
10 leave Sept 10th
30 leave Sept 29th


Do you have the tail numbers for the 18 leaving today?



I looked but couldn't find the specific tail numbers.
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MO11
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:31 pm

N383SW wrote:
barney captain wrote:
Some of the latest -300 retirement numbers;

18 leave Aug 14th (today)
10 leave Sept 10th
30 leave Sept 29th


Do you have the tail numbers for the 18 leaving today?


359 380 386 387 390 620 622 which are leased
376 379 394 395 607 624 629 630 631 642 647 which are not.
 
barney captain
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:04 pm

MO11 wrote:
N383SW wrote:
barney captain wrote:
Some of the latest -300 retirement numbers;

18 leave Aug 14th (today)
10 leave Sept 10th
30 leave Sept 29th


Do you have the tail numbers for the 18 leaving today?


359 380 386 387 390 620 622 which are leased
376 379 394 395 607 624 629 630 631 642 647 which are not.


Great info - thanks.
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:51 pm

barney captain wrote:
MO11 wrote:
N383SW wrote:

Do you have the tail numbers for the 18 leaving today?


359 380 386 387 390 620 622 which are leased
376 379 394 395 607 624 629 630 631 642 647 which are not.


Great info - thanks.[/quote


I entered the first 5 registrations into Flightaware and they show schedules through 16 of August so I doubt that 18 are leaving today all at once
 
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:39 am

I heard it was 14 today
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:28 am

Canuck600 wrote:
george77300 wrote:
travaz wrote:

OK thanks for the info. Is that a WN rule or FAA or Union?


Not a clue I'm afraid, but almost definitely one of the three although it's not a WN rule.


Pretty sure it's a FAA rule


This is not exactly correct. It's a training/currency issue. A 737 type rating is good for all variants.
 
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:48 am

United_fan wrote:
737-400's make better freighters due to their length. I read that there is a greater chance of a loader hitting the engine on a -300.


The 400 freighters have weight & balance issues the 300's do not have.
 
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Re: SWA will park 66 a/c in next 3 months--another record

Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:52 am

MO11 wrote:
Canuck600 wrote:
george77300 wrote:

Not a clue I'm afraid, but almost definitely one of the three although it's not a WN rule.


Pretty sure it's a FAA rule


This is not exactly correct. It's a training/currency issue. A 737 type rating is good for all variants.


FAA is allowing cross training on 737 classic to NG and from NG to Max only, they will not allow a pilot to be certified on all 3 at once and have left the Classic out of the NG/Max mix. If WN keep the 300's they will have to have 2 pilot pools to fly their system. WN wont do that.

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