AdamHarvard
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Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 8:57 am

I heard a rumour that QF were planning to 'rent' their 747's for the day to another airline during layovers at LHR. QF flights arrive early in the morning at LHR and leave late at night thus spend all day sitting on the ground, on A.net I have seen a picture of a QF 744 at Thesaloniki in greece which is not part of the QF network.....is this a 'day charter'? Do any other long haul airlines use/rent their planes for local flights during long layovers?
 
bmi330
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:08 am

they could probaly run high desity european charters for mytravel, tui or jmc they might all ready do this in summer because of the big increse in pasengers through summer months?
 
NG737PSR
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:14 am

I think they actually operate flights for a cruise company to/from Barcelona during some of the day layovers at LHR, that's what I remember hearing last.
 
qfatwa
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 6:29 pm

QANTAS operates under contract to BA for cruise connection charters. A very lucrative use of a day-sitter aircraft. Also occasionally out of FRA.
 
BestWestern
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 7:14 pm

I am always amazed by the Qantas and South African 747's sitting all day at LHR...

Qantas have UK Caa permission to fly charters to meet cruises, but they rarely do any of this work.
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qantas744
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 8:59 pm

Qantas did use the spare capacity to do flights to Barcelona last summer,going out at 0830 and back in the early afternoon-I presume the same will apply this summer aswell.

Cathay also has a couple of 744's lying idle all day at LHR,as do SAA.


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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:03 pm

qf5/6 into/out of FRA has about 16 hours of ground time and has been used into various destinations in the canaries, places like palma and also mainland spain - probably beats having it stand in FRA all day accruing parking charges....
 
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:10 pm

Do BA do day flights with their 744's when they are parked for the day in Johannesburg? I always thought it was a huge waste of an aircraft just being sat at the airport all day - same goes for Garuda's 744 parked at Gatwick for most of the day.
 
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:29 pm

Cathay flew from FRA to BRE and PAD and back; the PAD flight was even listed in the OAG - "HKG-PAD CX something, 1 stop"

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donder10
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 1:05 am

CX has 1 flight that leaves at about 1810 though.It is possible to see 7 jumbos parked at the east end of LHR during the day
 
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 1:32 am

A F/A friend who works for QF gave me his pattern one day and I was amazed to see him flying all kinds of day charters around Europe during the day. These charters are operated by complete QF crews. Very strange but very smart of QF.
 
SQ325
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 3:05 am

I thought about the same thing.
Here at FRA the QF 747 aslike the SAA B747 arriving in the early morning and are parked ojn the apron untill late evening!
Wonder how much money this costs!

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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 3:48 am

I dont know about CX or QF but SAA choose to have a day stop over. It increases business as it means people have nice flight times. Depart Sout Africa in the evening, sleep on the night flight. Land early morning and you have the whole day ahead of you, the same for the return trip.

Business men especially like the timings so that is one reason why.

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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:30 am

I was arguing with Capt. Picard the other week about whether the timing of the Virgin flight from Cape Town to Heathrow is was timed well.It leaves LHR at night,gets into CPT early morning and leaves at like 8 am for LHR arriving LHR early evening.This must result in poor yield as I suspect most business men do prefer flying at night
 
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:54 am

Is it safe to have an airplane run all day long, land, and then do charters, land ,then do a huge flight at night? Does it need to rest?
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qantas744
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 6:59 am

Am I missing something Donder10?

2xCathay 744's,3xSAA 747's and a QF744 makes six....the other QF744 is invariably found in the world cargo area.


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AdamHarvard
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 12:17 pm

thanks for all the interesting replies.....Does anybody know if Qantas bases any crews in London or Frankfurt over the summer to operate any of these 'local charters'? or do the Australian crews fly these short sectors during layover time before returning the aircraft to Oz as a scheduled QF flight?
 
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 12:42 pm

The re-introduction of the QF31/32 will reduce extended layovers of Qantas Boeing 747-400s. This lunch time arrival and departure means that two of the aircraft only have half a day at Heathrow.
Charters are more common in Summer, flown for cruise companies, often on behalf of BA.
 
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RE: Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?

Wed Feb 20, 2002 1:40 pm

All SQ's 3 flights into LHR stay in LHR for more than 12 hrs.

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