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Gatwick airport; is it still world no 1 single runway airport by pax numbers

Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:39 pm

What percentage of Lgw traffic is widebody?
What Airlines and which widebody a/c types they are using?
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Re: Gatwick airport; is it still world no 1 single runway airport by pax numbers

Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:44 pm

Mumbai (BOM) is now the busiest single runway Airport worldwide, LGW is now second. (source: http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-traffic/ATR2016.pdf Page 32)

As for what percentage is Widebody, that depends on season (40% of traffic is, however on easyJet, who only have 319s/320s)..

BA, Tui (formerly Thomson), Thomas Cook, Norwegian and Virgin Atlantic all have Widebodies based there.

Visiting WIdebodies include Air Transat 330s, Air Canada Rouge 763s, Westjet 763s, Cathay Pacific 359s, and, obligatorily, Emirates 388s and 77Ls,
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:57 pm

Is LGW a 24 hours a day operation? I think it has a curfew. Given that, while BOM might handle more pax, LGW is probably busier during working hours.
 
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Re: Gatwick airport; is it still world no 1 single runway airport by pax numbers

Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:01 pm

Bhoy wrote:
Mumbai (BOM) is now the busiest single runway Airport worldwide


Hasn't BOM got two runways - 09/27 & 14/32? :confused:

CaliguyNYC wrote:
Is LGW a 24 hours a day operation? I think it has a curfew.


Yes, LGW (like LHR) operates a night-time curfew.
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:04 pm

scbriml wrote:
Bhoy wrote:
Mumbai (BOM) is now the busiest single runway Airport worldwide


Hasn't BOM got two runways - 09/27 & 14/32? :confused:

CaliguyNYC wrote:
Is LGW a 24 hours a day operation? I think it has a curfew.


Yes, LGW (like LHR) operates a night-time curfew.


Yes BOM has two runways.
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:12 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
Is LGW a 24 hours a day operation? I think it has a curfew.



LGW IS 24 hour. Being crew I have and do operate flights both in and out of Gatwick at all hours of the day. As do many airlines.
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:13 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Bhoy wrote:
Mumbai (BOM) is now the busiest single runway Airport worldwide


Hasn't BOM got two runways - 09/27 & 14/32? :confused:


Yes BOM has two runways.

It has two runways in the same sense that Gatwick does apparently - there are two surfaces, but only one is in use at any one time: http://m.timesofindia.com/city/mumbai/n ... 652790.cms

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Re: Gatwick airport; is it still world no 1 single runway airport by pax numbers

Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:18 pm

Is SAN the busiest genuinely single runway airport?
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:33 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
It has two runways in the same sense that Gatwick does apparently - there are two surfaces, but only one is in use at any one time


I've seen both in concurrent use with my own eyes. Admittedly, it was a few years ago now (2008).
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:39 pm

scbriml wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
It has two runways in the same sense that Gatwick does apparently - there are two surfaces, but only one is in use at any one time


I've seen both in concurrent use with my own eyes. Admittedly, it was a few years ago now (2008).


Yeah, one as a runway the other as a taxiway...
LGW's runways are too close together to be used simultaneously for take offs and landings.
 
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:44 pm

scbriml wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
It has two runways in the same sense that Gatwick does apparently - there are two surfaces, but only one is in use at any one time


I've seen both in concurrent use with my own eyes. Admittedly, it was a few years ago now (2008).

Apparently the concurrent use ended in 2013 according to this article: http://www.timesofindia.com/city/mumbai ... 967759.cms

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Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:26 am

Bhoy wrote:
Mumbai (BOM) is now the busiest single runway Airport worldwide, LGW is now second. (source: http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-traffic/ATR2016.pdf Page 32)

As for what percentage is Widebody, that depends on season (40% of traffic is, however on easyJet, who only have 319s/320s)..

BA, Tui (formerly Thomson), Thomas Cook, Norwegian and Virgin Atlantic all have Widebodies based there.

Visiting WIdebodies include Air Transat 330s, Air Canada Rouge 763s, Westjet 763s, Cathay Pacific 359s, and, obligatorily, Emirates 388s and 77Ls,

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Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:30 am

Interesting to find that in this day and age with this amount of air traffic these airports can get away with single runway operations!
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:11 am

I was intrigued with LGW and over 43 mil pax in 2016 as many much smaller airports around the world elaborate possible expansion with building second runway; that is why I was wondering how much widebody airplanes traffic affect Gatwick numbers...
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:57 am

Ryga wrote:
Yeah, one as a runway the other as a taxiway...


No, both in concurrent use. I know what I saw with my own eyes from the roof of The Orchid hotel. :wave:

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Apparently the concurrent use ended in 2013 according to this article: http://www.timesofindia.com/city/mumbai ... 967759.cms

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Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:23 am

dassal wrote:
I was intrigued with LGW and over 43 mil pax in 2016 as many much smaller airports around the world elaborate possible expansion with building second runway; that is why I was wondering how much widebody airplanes traffic affect Gatwick numbers...


NATS and ACL have very efficient and effective traffic management methods, combined with rather few regional jets and or turbo prop movements AND HIGH load factors within the prevailing Flexible fares// no frills sector especially when compared to many US airports in particular.

Almost all flights are point to point and heavily leisure dominated with few significant Hub and Spoke operators (Limited BA secondary markets aside) and many routes are rather low frequency with none of the clock face departures - specifically on routes more typical of a Hub and Spoke model.

All that said this airports list of carriers fly to many more short and medium haul destinations than are available from Heathrow none stop.

So generally you can say more passengers are carried on fewer planes than from a typical Hub and Spoke airport such as Heathrow or a large US Hub dominated by a bazilian regional jets zipping in and out off of a dozen runways (Hyperbole but for effect )

BTW Gatwick does NOT have an official curfew and is a 24/7 operation.
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:29 am

rutankrd wrote:
dassal wrote:
I was intrigued with LGW and over 43 mil pax in 2016 as many much smaller airports around the world elaborate possible expansion with building second runway; that is why I was wondering how much widebody airplanes traffic affect Gatwick numbers...


NATS and ACL have very efficient and effective traffic management methods, combined with rather few regional jets and or turbo prop movements AND HIGH load factors within the prevailing Flexible fares// no frills sector especially when compared to many US airports in particular.

Almost all flights are point to point and heavily leisure dominated with few significant Hub and Spoke operators (Limited BA secondary markets aside) and many routes are rather low frequency with none of the clock face departures - specifically on routes more typical of a Hub and Spoke model.

All that said this airports list of carriers fly to many more short and medium haul destinations than are available from Heathrow none stop.

So generally you can say more passengers are carried on fewer planes than from a typical Hub and Spoke airport such as Heathrow or a large US Hub dominated by a bazilian regional jets zipping in and out off of a dozen runways (Hyperbole but for effect )

BTW Gatwick does NOT have an official curfew and is a 24/7 operation.


And Gatwick ATC is no longer operated by NATS, but by zee Germans now. DFS or something
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:46 am

I was at Gatwick this week - it was rammed but is summer holiday season !! We even had a 1H hold at PMI airport for the return due to congestion at LGW.

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Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:13 am

rutankrd wrote:
BTW Gatwick does NOT have an official curfew and is a 24/7 operation.

Of course there is a curfew. From 2300 to 0600, night time rules impose a limit on the number of flights based on the quota points over the whole summer or winter season, and the number of flights is further capped by a limit on the number of aircraft operating.
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:56 pm

In my view, a nighttime curfew and allocated quota of allowed night-flights is different.
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:10 pm

Aircraft movements, not passengers, should be the metric to determine the busiest single runway airport. Whether it's a B747 or a B737 is irrelevant:

LGW 2016 aircraft movements - 280,666
BOM (April 2016- March 2017) aircraft movements - 305,465
SAN handles around 200,000 movements, well below LGW and BOM.

So BOM is clearly the busier of the three.

cosyr wrote:
Is SAN the busiest genuinely single runway airport?


If by genuine, you mean only 1 runway available, then yes. But as was said above, both LGW and BOM are effectively single runway airports, so the word "genuine" is of little consequence here.
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:18 pm

TC957 wrote:
In my view, a nighttime curfew and allocated quota of allowed night-flights is different.

Yep, gotta go with that, don't call it a curfew and then allow someflights in, call it something else. It's like being a little bit dead. :stirthepot:
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:30 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Aircraft movements, not passengers, should be the metric to determine the busiest single runway airport. Whether it's a B747 or a B737 is irrelevant:

LGW 2016 aircraft movements - 280,666
BOM (April 2016- March 2017) aircraft movements - 305,465
SAN handles around 200,000 movements, well below LGW and BOM.

So BOM is clearly the busier of the three.

cosyr wrote:
Is SAN the busiest genuinely single runway airport?


If by genuine, you mean only 1 runway available, then yes. But as was said above, both LGW and BOM are effectively single runway airports, so the word "genuine" is of little consequence here.

Except that they both have more than 1 runway, even if multiple cannot be used simultaneously. Many airports have crosswind runways that cannot be used at the same time as others, that doesn't mean they don't exist. If there was damage on one of the runways at LGW, they could use the other. If there was damage at SAN, the airport would be closed. That is worthy of a distinction.
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:24 pm

Bhoy wrote:
Mumbai (BOM) is now the busiest single runway Airport worldwide, LGW is now second. (source: http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-traffic/ATR2016.pdf Page 32)

As for what percentage is Widebody, that depends on season (40% of traffic is, however on easyJet, who only have 319s/320s)..

BA, Tui (formerly Thomson), Thomas Cook, Norwegian and Virgin Atlantic all have Widebodies based there.

Visiting WIdebodies include Air Transat 310/330s, Air Canada Rouge 763s, Westjet 763s, Cathay Pacific 359s, and, obligatorily, Emirates 388s and 77Ls,


You can add to that list

Med View Airlines B763/744
Rwandair A332/333
Tianjin Airlines A333

The occasional B763 from Meridiana and A330 from Air Europa

From 01 December 2017

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Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:21 am

And maybe obvious, but just to ask is LGW airport slot restricted? How hard/expensive it is to get landing rights?
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:19 am

Yes, LGW is slot controlled.
This document, issued by the slot coordinators, ACL, will tell you far more than you probably want to know about how many slots there are at particular times, and which airlines have slots. Note that ACL use Air Traffic Movements as a measure, so each landing counts as one ATM and each takeoff as another. That's why we often talk about slot pairs - you really need at least one of each to run a service!
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Season.pdf
If you apply for a slot for a time when there are unused slots, they're free. If you want a slot for a time when all possible slots are already allocated to other airlines, you'll have to buy or lease it from one of them. The price is whatever the two airlines involved agree it will be, and isn't always made public.
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:27 am

cosyr wrote:
Is SAN the busiest genuinely single runway airport?

Fukuoka has to be up there as well.
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:46 am

gunnerman wrote:
rutankrd wrote:
BTW Gatwick does NOT have an official curfew and is a 24/7 operation.

Of course there is a curfew. From 2300 to 0600, night time rules impose a limit on the number of flights based on the quota points over the whole summer or winter season, and the number of flights is further capped by a limit on the number of aircraft operating.


Slot and aircraft type controlled however shall we ignore more than 55 arrivals though out last night and 15 departures before 6am !
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:07 pm

sincx wrote:
cosyr wrote:
Is SAN the busiest genuinely single runway airport?

Fukuoka has to be up there as well.


Passenger wise, its busier, but when it comes to aircraft movements, no.

SAN in 2016: 20.7 million passengers, around 200,000 movements
FUK in 2015: 21 million passengers, 173,000 movements
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Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:03 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Aircraft movements, not passengers, should be the metric to determine the busiest single runway airport. Whether it's a B747 or a B737 is irrelevant:

LGW 2016 aircraft movements - 280,666
BOM (April 2016- March 2017) aircraft movements - 305,465
SAN handles around 200,000 movements, well below LGW and BOM.

So BOM is clearly the busier of the three.


I agree that this metric is more appropriate when it comes to number of runways in use.
 
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:46 am

Andy33 wrote:
Yes, LGW is slot controlled.
This document, issued by the slot coordinators, ACL, will tell you far more than you probably want to know about how many slots there are at particular times, and which airlines have slots. Note that ACL use Air Traffic Movements as a measure, so each landing counts as one ATM and each takeoff as another. That's why we often talk about slot pairs - you really need at least one of each to run a service!
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/uploa ... Season.pdf
If you apply for a slot for a time when there are unused slots, they're free. If you want a slot for a time when all possible slots are already allocated to other airlines, you'll have to buy or lease it from one of them. The price is whatever the two airlines involved agree it will be, and isn't always made public.


Thanks for your answer and document!
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:03 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
sincx wrote:
cosyr wrote:
Is SAN the busiest genuinely single runway airport?

Fukuoka has to be up there as well.


Passenger wise, its busier, but when it comes to aircraft movements, no.

SAN in 2016: 20.7 million passengers, around 200,000 movements
FUK in 2015: 21 million passengers, 173,000 movements


BLR is on the top, by pax with 22.1 million pax.
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:20 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
sincx wrote:
cosyr wrote:
Is SAN the busiest genuinely single runway airport?

Fukuoka has to be up there as well.


Passenger wise, its busier, but when it comes to aircraft movements, no.

SAN in 2016: 20.7 million passengers, around 200,000 movements
FUK in 2015: 21 million passengers, 173,000 movements


Is FUK busier than NGO? NGO is also “genuinely” one runway.
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:17 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Aircraft movements, not passengers, should be the metric to determine the busiest single runway airport. Whether it's a B747 or a B737 is irrelevant:

LGW 2016 aircraft movements - 280,666
BOM (April 2016- March 2017) aircraft movements - 305,465
SAN handles around 200,000 movements, well below LGW and BOM.

So BOM is clearly the busier of the three.

cosyr wrote:
Is SAN the busiest genuinely single runway airport?


If by genuine, you mean only 1 runway available, then yes. But as was said above, both LGW and BOM are effectively single runway airports, so the word "genuine" is of little consequence here.


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Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:38 pm

Are they going to build a second runway at Gatwick or not?

Also, what happened to the proposed "Heathwick" rail link?
 
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ADrum23 wrote:
Are they going to build a second runway at Gatwick or not?


No.
 
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ADrum23 wrote:
Are they going to build a second runway at Gatwick or not?

Also, what happened to the proposed "Heathwick" rail link?


One day maybe. The UK government wasted years deciding on Heathrow v Gatwick when the answer was going to be Heathrow from the start.

One of the main problems with Heatwick was that LHR. LGW and LTN are owned by 3 different companies.

The former 2 were doing battle for a new runway at the same time.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:23 am

cosyr wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
Aircraft movements, not passengers, should be the metric to determine the busiest single runway airport. Whether it's a B747 or a B737 is irrelevant:

LGW 2016 aircraft movements - 280,666
BOM (April 2016- March 2017) aircraft movements - 305,465
SAN handles around 200,000 movements, well below LGW and BOM.

So BOM is clearly the busier of the three.

cosyr wrote:
Is SAN the busiest genuinely single runway airport?



If by genuine, you mean only 1 runway available, then yes. But as was said above, both LGW and BOM are effectively single runway airports, so the word "genuine" is of little consequence here.

Except that they both have more than 1 runway, even if multiple cannot be used simultaneously. Many airports have crosswind runways that cannot be used at the same time as others, that doesn't mean they don't exist. If there was damage on one of the runways at LGW, they could use the other. If there was damage at SAN, the airport would be closed. That is worthy of a distinction.


Good point. We should change this topic to pure single runway airport, not a FUNCTIONAL or de facto single runway airport.
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Good point. We should change this topic to pure single runway airport, not a FUNCTIONAL or de facto single runway airport.


I think South America has a few very busy GENUINE single runway airports.
LIM comes to mind....


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Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:58 am

Cubsrule wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
sincx wrote:
Fukuoka has to be up there as well.


Passenger wise, its busier, but when it comes to aircraft movements, no.

SAN in 2016: 20.7 million passengers, around 200,000 movements
FUK in 2015: 21 million passengers, 173,000 movements


Is FUK busier than NGO? NGO is also “genuinely” one runway.


It's not even close.

NGO: ~10M passengers, ~95k movements.

NGO is not a busy airport at all. Domestic operation is limited (Mainly to CTS, FUK, and OKA) while international operation is much smaller than Tokyo (HND/NRT) and KIX.

notaxonrotax wrote:

Good point. We should change this topic to pure single runway airport, not a FUNCTIONAL or de facto single runway airport.


I think South America has a few very busy GENUINE single runway airports.
LIM comes to mind....


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LIM is at ~21.3M Pax and 178578 movements (Wikipedia...the number came from official statistic, though), so it's definitely up there among the busiest "one runway only" airport.
 
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How about AKL? It is growing very quickly...
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:07 am

gunnerman wrote:
rutankrd wrote:
BTW Gatwick does NOT have an official curfew and is a 24/7 operation.

Of course there is a curfew. From 2300 to 0600, night time rules impose a limit on the number of flights based on the quota points over the whole summer or winter season, and the number of flights is further capped by a limit on the number of aircraft operating.

A curfew means no flights at all.
 
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Birdiey wrote:
How about AKL? It is growing very quickly...


Using the latest monthly traffic update report:
https://corporate.aucklandairport.co.nz ... ashx?la=en

19.38M pax, 171348 aircraft movements.

Not quite at SAN level yet, nor BLR.

EDIT:
Actually, speaking of London, STN is a single runway airport. At 24.3M pax with 180430 traffic movements, it's highest in terms of # of passengers.

This article talking about how BOM passed LGW listed STN, XMN, FUK, and SAN among the busiest single runway airport.

XMN: 22.73M pax, 183546 movements (2016)
Another busy single runway Chinese airport, TAO, is at 20.5M pax, 168537 movements.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 652790.cms

Just another EDIT:
Cubsrule wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
sincx wrote:
Fukuoka has to be up there as well.


Passenger wise, its busier, but when it comes to aircraft movements, no.

SAN in 2016: 20.7 million passengers, around 200,000 movements
FUK in 2015: 21 million passengers, 173,000 movements


Is FUK busier than NGO? NGO is also “genuinely” one runway.


Another side note that I forgot to make is that NGO is not even the 2nd busiest single runway airport in Japan. It's FUK #1 then OKA #2. OKA I believe will get a new runway, though, while FUK they're planning to squeeze in a parallel runway (Don't know if it's going anywhere, though).
 
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Re: Gatwick airport; is it still world no 1 single runway airport by pax numbers

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Thenoflyzone wrote:
sincx wrote:
Fukuoka has to be up there as well.


Passenger wise, its busier, but when it comes to aircraft movements, no.

/quote]

BLR is on the top, by pax with 22.1 million pax.
175,891 aircraft movements.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kempego ... al_Airport

zakuivcustom wrote:
Actually, speaking of London, STN is a single runway airport. At 24.3M pax with 180430 traffic movements, it's highest in terms of # of passengers.

This article talking about how BOM passed LGW listed STN, XMN, FUK, and SAN among the busiest single runway airport.SAN in 2016: 20.7 million passengers, around 200,000 movements
FUK in 2015: 21 million passengers, 173,000 movements[

XMN: 22.73M pax, 183546 movements (2016)
Another busy single runway Chinese airport, TAO, is at 20.5M pax, 168537 movements.


I find the physical (vs. operational) one runway airports fascinating. It looks like Istanbul's SAW is #1 of the airports with only 1 physical runway.
LGW: 45.5M pax, 285,969 (2 physical runways, 1 operation. Benefit is for maintenance or an incident, the airport keeps running).
BOM: 45.1M pax, 305,465 movements (2 physical runways, 1 operation. Benefit is for maintenance or an incident, the airport keeps running).
SAW: 28.2M pax, 206,180 movement (2015 numbers from wikipedia, 2nd runway due in June 2019).
STN 24.3M pax, 180,430 movements (2nd runway plans abandoned)
BLR 22.1M pax, 175,891 movements (plan to grow to 4 runways, 2nd runway due in 2019.)
FUK 21M pax 173,000 movements (2nd runway in 2024, but I'll believe it when I see it)
SAN 20.7M pax, ~ 200,000 movements (no plans for 2nd runway).
TAO 20.5M pax, 158,537 movements (to be replaced by Qingdao Jiaodong International Airport, due to be operational also in 2019).

I was surprised how much smaller HYD is than BLR... interesting.

For both BOM and LGW could operate mixed operations (e.g., takeoffs one, all landings the other)
Is anything happening with a new airport for Mumbai? It seems to have stalled...

What I find crazy is how so many metropolitan airports won't expand. You now have very little growth in London with 4 airports approaching capacity: LHR, LGW, STN, and LTN are all very crowded.

Huh... I guess when more NEO and MAX cross the Atlantic, they'll have to go from US airports to other UK airports or possibly a DUB based service when the new runway opens in 2020.
Quingdao's airport would be fascinating if it weren't already scheduled to be replaced.

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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:13 am

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Huh... I guess when more NEO and MAX cross the Atlantic, they'll have to go from US airports to other UK airports or possibly a DUB based service when the new runway opens in 2020.
Quingdao's airport would be fascinating if it weren't already scheduled to be replaced.

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I totally forgot about SAW. I guess that airport "wins".

As for TAO - If not for all the expansion that Chinese airports had, they would have easily top this list with ease. Just last few years there's 2nd runway for SHA (2010), SZX (2011), WUH (2016), CTU (Ok...2009), XIY (2012), CKG (2010), HGH (2012), NKG (2014 I believe), CSX (2017), and probably a tons of other airport. The two busiest single runway airports, TAO and XMN, are in the process of being replaced by a new airport. Just insane how quick Chinese aviation expand.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:51 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Huh... I guess when more NEO and MAX cross the Atlantic, they'll have to go from US airports to other UK airports or possibly a DUB based service when the new runway opens in 2020.
Quingdao's airport would be fascinating if it weren't already scheduled to be replaced.

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I totally forgot about SAW. I guess that airport "wins".

As for TAO - If not for all the expansion that Chinese airports had, they would have easily top this list with ease. Just last few years there's 2nd runway for SHA (2010), SZX (2011), WUH (2016), CTU (Ok...2009), XIY (2012), CKG (2010), HGH (2012), NKG (2014 I believe), CSX (2017), and probably a tons of other airport. The two busiest single runway airports, TAO and XMN, are in the process of being replaced by a new airport. Just insane how quick Chinese aviation expand.

Yes, it does seem SAW wins the 1 physical runway. I didn't think of it until I noticed the wikipedia link for FUK airport mentioned it as larger... So I went to have a look. :spin:

Yes, the Chinese airport expansion has been impressive. I'm wonder if India will start growing their airports quickly (no sign of it on the scale of China, yet). The world needs more airport capacity. Business will have to move where there are all the resources they need... eh. It has been that way forever. It amazes me there isn't a 2nd runway for LGW (wider spacing), STN, or LTN in work.

XMN with 20.8M pax and 180,112 movements is impressive for a single runway airport, but as you noted, it will be replaced soon (end of 2018 per wikipedia).

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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:07 am

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Yes, the Chinese airport expansion has been impressive. I'm wonder if India will start growing their airports quickly (no sign of it on the scale of China, yet). The world needs more airport capacity. Business will have to move where there are all the resources they need... eh. It has been that way forever. It amazes me there isn't a 2nd runway for LGW (wider spacing), STN, or LTN in work.

XMN with 20.8M pax and 180,112 movements is impressive for a single runway airport, but as you noted, it will be replaced soon (end of 2018 per wikipedia).

Lightsaber


To be fair, it's definitely a lot easier to expand an airport in China than UK. Just look at how many years they have tried to build a 3rd runway for LHR :rotfl: (Meanwhile, even US has a few airport expansion done in the meantime, and even PANYNJ, well known for their inefficiency, got around to finally starting to rebuild LGA terminal :duck: )
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:17 am

lightsaber wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:

Passenger wise, its busier, but when it comes to aircraft movements, no.

/quote]

BLR is on the top, by pax with 22.1 million pax.
175,891 aircraft movements.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kempego ... al_Airport

zakuivcustom wrote:
Actually, speaking of London, STN is a single runway airport. At 24.3M pax with 180430 traffic movements, it's highest in terms of # of passengers.

This article talking about how BOM passed LGW listed STN, XMN, FUK, and SAN among the busiest single runway airport.SAN in 2016: 20.7 million passengers, around 200,000 movements
FUK in 2015: 21 million passengers, 173,000 movements[

XMN: 22.73M pax, 183546 movements (2016)
Another busy single runway Chinese airport, TAO, is at 20.5M pax, 168537 movements.


I find the physical (vs. operational) one runway airports fascinating. It looks like Istanbul's SAW is #1 of the airports with only 1 physical runway.
LGW: 45.5M pax, 285,969 (2 physical runways, 1 operation. Benefit is for maintenance or an incident, the airport keeps running).
BOM: 45.1M pax, 305,465 movements (2 physical runways, 1 operation. Benefit is for maintenance or an incident, the airport keeps running).
SAW: 28.2M pax, 206,180 movement (2015 numbers from wikipedia, 2nd runway due in June 2019).
STN 24.3M pax, 180,430 movements (2nd runway plans abandoned)
BLR 22.1M pax, 175,891 movements (plan to grow to 4 runways, 2nd runway due in 2019.)
FUK 21M pax 173,000 movements (2nd runway in 2024, but I'll believe it when I see it)
SAN 20.7M pax, ~ 200,000 movements (no plans for 2nd runway).
TAO 20.5M pax, 158,537 movements (to be replaced by Qingdao Jiaodong International Airport, due to be operational also in 2019).

I was surprised how much smaller HYD is than BLR... interesting.

For both BOM and LGW could operate mixed operations (e.g., takeoffs one, all landings the other)
Is anything happening with a new airport for Mumbai? It seems to have stalled...

What I find crazy is how so many metropolitan airports won't expand. You now have very little growth in London with 4 airports approaching capacity: LHR, LGW, STN, and LTN are all very crowded.

Huh... I guess when more NEO and MAX cross the Atlantic, they'll have to go from US airports to other UK airports or possibly a DUB based service when the new runway opens in 2020.
Quingdao's airport would be fascinating if it weren't already scheduled to be replaced.

Lightsaber


I don't beleive DPS 2017 passenger numbers are out yet, but given that tourism numbers grew 15% last year they should be at the 21 - 22 million mark on a single runway operation as well, considering that they were just shy of 20 million in 2016. DPS has been growing much faster than most Chinese or Indian airports, and could well reach 30 million in 3 - 4 years, if one of the key goals of the Indonesian government continues to be to grow tourism figures at all costs.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:46 pm

It was noted expansion is easier in China.
But it is also come to the point expansion is impossible in many areas. Oh well, that just means global growth must happen elsewhere. Business needs transportation, electricity, education, housing, clean water, and services for employees. If any one requirement is starved, growth must happen elsewhere.

THe quote feature didn't work right (maybe I deleted some characters by mistake). But what I'm doing is updating the list of single runway airports, but also the growth paths for those airports. For as exciting as 'the busiest single runway airport' is, it is a sign of inadequate infrastructure. The cure for inadequate infrastructure is to expand. It can be railroads for short range needs, a new regional airport, more runways/terminals, or perhaps something I haven't considered.

I find the physical (vs. operational) one runway airports fascinating. It looks like Istanbul's SAW is #1 of the airports with only 1 physical runway.
LGW: 45.5M pax, 285,969 (2 physical runways, 1 operation. Benefit is for maintenance or an incident, the airport keeps running).
BOM: 45.1M pax, 305,465 movements (2 physical runways, 1 operation. Benefit is for maintenance or an incident, the airport keeps running).
************* below one physical runway ****************
SAW: 28.2M pax, 206,180 movement (2015 numbers from wikipedia, 2nd runway due in June 2019).
STN 24.3M pax, 180,430 movements (2nd runway plans abandoned)
BLR 22.1M pax, 175,891 movements (plan to grow to 4 runways, 2nd runway due in 2019.)
FUK 21M pax 173,000 movements (2nd runway in 2024, but I'll believe it when I see it)
SAN 20.7M pax, ~ 200,000 movements (no plans for 2nd runway).
TAO 20.5M pax, 158,537 movements (to be replaced by Qingdao Jiaodong International Airport, due to be operational also in 2019).
DPS 19.9M pax, unknown movements. New site identified for replacement airport, but no timeline given for construction (see wikipedia).

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Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:00 pm

[quote="lightsaber"]It was noted expansion is easier in China.
But it is also come to the point expansion is impossible in many areas. Oh well, that just means global growth must happen elsewhere. Business needs transportation, electricity, education, housing, clean water, and services for employees. If any one requirement is starved, growth must happen elsewhere.

THe quote feature didn't work right (maybe I deleted some characters by mistake). But what I'm doing is updating the list of single runway airports, but also the growth paths for those airports. For as exciting as 'the busiest single runway airport' is, it is a sign of inadequate infrastructure. The cure for inadequate infrastructure is to expand. It can be railroads for short range needs, a new regional airport, more runways/terminals, or perhaps something I haven't considered.

I find the physical (vs. operational) one runway airports fascinating. It looks like Istanbul's SAW is #1 of the airports with only 1 physical runway.
LGW: 45.5M pax, 285,969 (2 physical runways, 1 operation. Benefit is for maintenance or an incident, the airport keeps running).
BOM: 45.1M pax, 305,465 movements (2 physical runways, 1 operation. Benefit is for maintenance or an incident, the airport keeps running).
************* below one physical runway ****************
SAW: 28.2M pax, 206,180 movement (2015 numbers from wikipedia, 2nd runway due in June 2019).
STN 24.3M pax, 180,430 movements (2nd runway plans abandoned)
BLR 22.1M pax, 175,891 movements (plan to grow to 4 runways, 2nd runway due in 2019.)
FUK 21M pax 173,000 movements (2nd runway in 2024, but I'll believe it when I see it)
SAN 20.7M pax, ~ 200,000 movements (no plans for 2nd runway).
TAO 20.5M pax, 158,537 movements (to be replaced by Qingdao Jiaodong International Airport, due to be operational also in 2019).
DPS 19.9M pax, unknown movements. New site identified for replacement airport, but no timeline given for construction (see wikipedia).
SUB: 19.4M pax, 166,208 movements (2015). Two new runways to open in 2019 (seems to be a popular year for single runway expansion).

Lightsaber

Late edit, added SUB.
Late comment: I'm of mixed opinion on DPS expansion. I watched Grand Cayman island be over-developed. It went from my ideal of paradise to... over-built. Perhaps Bali should be capped... (Ghad, kills me as pro-expansion to make that comment.)
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