Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 12:51 am

Has anyone here in the forum sat in a seat in the very back of a MD-80, DC-9 where the window gave the view of the engine? I have always seen those seats and have been glad I havn't had to sit there.

What was it like???
Do you think they should get rid of those seats or should they just not put a window there......

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 1:44 am

Yeah, unfortunately. Anchorage to Seattle on a nice clear day, which gave the other passengers a spectacular view of the scenery. Major frustration. Angry Engine noise was pretty bad, too. If you get to sit forward on an MD-80, it is nice and quiet, and the small wings don't block your view as much as other planes.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 1:50 am


I also had a place just for the engine, and to be honnest, I didn't like the engine sound of the MD88 of Onur Air. But we had a good window view...
(The row after us had more problems to look outwards, we were lucky).

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:11 am

It's nasty. You get a view of the engine and nothing else, and the seat didn't recline either. The noise was awful, also. Ever since that flight, I've gone out of my way to avoid DC9/MD80 planes. I know its just those last couple of rows, but it just put a very bad taste in my mouth for MD planes.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:13 am

In my non-rev days on American Airlines it seems that I always got that seat. No view and very loud. I'd get them in the Fokkers too, but at least they were slightly quieter compared to the MD-80. Every time I got off an MD-80 I always had a headache. I'd always wonder if I would be a goner if the engine had a catastrophic failure...

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:13 am


In a DC-9-10 last week I was in row 14 out of 15. I had an aisle seat in 14C on Midwest Express. There is a window, you can kinda see around the engine though. Row 15 doesn't have windows at all.  Smile
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:19 am

Once did CMH-LAX in that row -- fortunately, no scenery to really be missed, but damn, it was loud. And the pilots didn't do a great job of syncing the fans that day, either.


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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:24 am

I sat not in the last but in the row where only the half of the window is covered by the engine.
Was a great flight especially the noise during engine start is cool and I had the feeling that you can feel better than in the front of the AC how powerful the MD83 is during take off.

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:58 am

i sat in the last row on a CO M80 on EWR-PBI. it had no window, and it was terrible. it was the only time i remember beng sick on a flight as well.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:59 am

MD80's are weird planes, like two different worlds. If you sit in the back behind the wings, it's loud and you cannot see much. Sit forward of the wings and you can barely hear the engines and you get a spetactular view. I took 1st class last night on AS from SEA to SJC and I could not hear the engines spool up, cut off, or anything. It was like I was in a glider...weird.

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 10:39 am

I too did first class on an MD-80 (CLT-CMH on US Airways) and it was indeed very quiet and I had a great view of everything.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 2:21 pm

I've sat there, it's not bad actually. The noise is a fairly constant hum once you're at cruise. Row 33 on Alaska is the "sub" row, but it's no different than the "sub" row on 737s, or 757s or whatever.

Oh and Mark, if the engines do blow up, you're gone.

I actually think it's a fun ride back there...nobody goes back there anyway...
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 2:51 pm

Ive sat there and it got me wondering is there any special protection for an uncontained falire. I believe this happened on a fokker jet a few yrs back parts came in through the side wall killed a passenger or was that a sabb?
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 3:06 pm

I have been back there many times. I always thought the painters should paint a fake skyline, brick wall pattern, or just a big "HAA HAA cheap ass!" sign.

Nothing is worse then to get a window seat and then see your row has none. Then on top of that add ear shattering noise, and no seat pitch. All you can ask for is a screaming baby for the other ear. I can honestly say I have had all of the above on one particular flight. Once the baby spit up onto my leg on taxi out I had to look out to the engine and just laugh.

Easily the MD-80/DC-9 are the worst on the last row, but the Fokker 28/100 and 727 are a very close second and third. I have had the luxury of seating there on all of the above more then once.

Oh yeah, the last row on the 737-200/300/400 L1011, 757, and 767 are not the best seats either, once again been there, done that often. The only benefit is your close to the bathroom if you need to go.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 3:10 pm

Sxmarbury33- I believe that happened on a Delta MD-80.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 3:13 pm

The uncontained engine failure was on a DL MD-88 at PNS.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:27 pm

I have been fortunate to never sit in that seat on Alaska, but I have been in 33F twice on TWA.

It was horrible.

My head was ringing for two hours after I got off the plane and I had one of the worst headaches ever.

But I love the MD-80. Up front on the right side (the 2 seat side  Laugh out loud) is the best.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:33 pm

I have never sat at the back row on the MD80 but I have been close and yes that engine noise is something. Yet indeed, sit fore of the wings and the plane is absolutely silent - I noticed that on a flight to KIN when I sat far fore on the BWIA MD83.

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Thu Feb 21, 2002 8:13 pm

There have been times when I've had to sit there. It usually makes me uncomfortable though because if the engine explodes, I'm right next to it. This happened a few years ago in Pensacola and killed the person sitting in that seat. Besides, I can't see anything and it's boring.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 7:33 am

The last few rows of seats on an MD-80, or DC-9 are pretty noisy. I don't think they should take out the seats or windows though. It's not that bad. The noise level is similar to sitting next to the wing on a 737.  Smile

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 7:46 am

I've been in that seat. 1999 PHX-STL on a brand new TWA MD-83. It wasn't loud, but the rummrummrummrummrummrumm that Steve described was pretty annoying.

However, I've flown many times in FC on the MD-83 and nothing is better.

The back of a DC-9 is a whole other ball game. Now that's friggen' loud.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 7:59 am

Its like riding the engine bareback
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 8:08 am

I must correct myself. The last few rows on the DC-9 are pretty noisy. The last few rows on an MD-80 or Boeing 717 aren't that bad at all.

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 8:26 am

The last two rows on a MD88 are known as the decapitation zone on Delta's jets. Remember the incident in 1996 in Pensicola, Florida involving N927DA. Two people were killed when engine debris from the front compressor front hub (fan hub) of the #1 (left) engine penetrated the left aft fuselage.
Ever since then I like to sit a little further towards the front.

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 9:09 am

Nothing is worse than sitting behind the engine on a 737-200, now thats loud!
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RE: Last Seat On A DC-9-30

Fri Feb 22, 2002 9:29 am

I flew MKE-IAD back in 2000 on MWE on a DC-9-30 and had the 2nd to last seat, and got nothing but engine view, so I took a picture at altitude with me in the mirror-like chromed engine nacelle. . .the picture turned out just fine and is a conversational piece now; who would have thought?!

Interestingly, the in-flight engine sound was as soft as a pin drop compare to an AA F-100 (ORD-DCA) in the exact same seat!

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 9:35 am

The 737-200 is very noisy behind the engines at take-off. Once at cruising speed it's no big problem.

MD-80 is awful between the engines. Besides that people have got killed sitting there when a fan failed.

A DC-9, between the engines, and (as is mostly the case) the flight crew fails to syncronize the engines properly.... I'm sure that we can find at least a dozen laws which prohibit such torture.

Anyway, a little further up front, and especially all way up front, the DC-9/MD-80 are great planes - you hardly get anything more quiet than an MD-80 up front. There is hardly a row on a DC-9 or MD-80 on which I haven't been sitting.

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 9:46 am

When I used to nonrev to my condo on Captiva Island, Florida, the only thing we used to put into RSW were MD-80's and 727s. 1 out of every 3 trips I would get a First Class seat, which was excellent on both aircraft, but more often than not I would find myself stuck in row 31/32 on either aircraft. On many of our 727s, the next-to-last row was the designated exit row for the 2L hatch. It was nice to get the extra legroom and slide pack as a footrest, but the drone of those Pratts were awful (today that sound is soothing, now that most of our beloved 27's are baking in some desert out West), and made those little "picnic basket" (anyone remember those?) lunches almost indigestable. The MD-80s were the same story, and that terrible excuse for a bulkhead seat that was row 31 continues to give me cramps just thinking about it. Those flights were short, however, and the paradise that awaited me on Captiva made those flights a small price to pay. Still, the 737-800s are a godsend, especially now that the ships with the Mid-Cabin lav are bringing a bunch more First Class seats into the running.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:22 am

My first flight EVER was on a DC-9-30 of USAir from Ithaca-Pittsburgh, and it was the dead last row on the airplane, no window, no recline, but I didn't care because it was my first time flying! yeah this was back in 1993.

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:39 am

I was on an Air Canada DC-9-32 from Moncton, New Brunswick to Toronto three years ago in June '99. Although I sat in the economy class row a few feet ahaed of the wings, the noise wasn't any louder than inside a 737-200, but....!

The amazing thing was how much louder it got towards the rear, as I was headed for the rear lav. The last row in the back didn't have any windows, but what amazed me was that there was a man streched across both seats in that last row - sleeping! I know he wasn't deaf or anything like that, however.

If there's anything louder than a seat in the rear of a DC-9, it's a Fokker F28 - and I don't like that plane very much.
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:45 am

Several carriers (DL included) have a nice galley at row 34/35 on the left hand side of the plane. That is my favorite part of sitting back there. If you are in 38A you can't see out the window, and you can't see more than 3 rows infront of you. The noise used to really bother me back there, it doesn't any more though. The MD-80's are nice, quiet planes up front. Try to stay ahead of the wing if possible.

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Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:49 am

Thats for all the responses  Big thumbs up Keep sending the stories. But I was wondering, is it loud in the back of a CRJ?? 50 seaters and 70seaters?? I hear they are famous for their quite flying, but is it load back in the back???

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:15 pm

Everyone is making a big deal about being in the last row and the incident on the DL MD-88 6 years ago. An uncontained engine failure that enters the cabin is so rare, more rare than many other kinds of disasters. Its as rare as whatever mechanical failure brought down AA 587. I know its on everyone's mind, but it is so rare. Btw, I've seen people freak out about being near the engines over the wings on SF3's, 737's, 757's, and been worried about a failure.

Last summer in the second to last row on a USAirways DC-9-30 & F100. The DC-9 was loud, but it was cool to hear the whine of the engine. The nose doesn't bother me, either because I'm used to flying on props or my car stereo has made me immune. Same thing for the F-100, its really interesting to hear the changes in power settings. Especially on the F-100, we flew CLT-DTW and spent most of the flight dodging thunderstorms so we were constantly speeding up or slowing down. Fortunetely, my row still had windows, otherwise I'd have been very upset
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:48 pm

Back in 1999 on a flight to Tampa from Milwaukee on a Midwest Express DC-9, 501ME, we were sitting in the last row next to the left engine. 10 minutes into the flight that engine decided to blow! Good thing for us it was a contained failure and we made an emergency landing at O'Hare in Chicago. Needless to say, I had my earplugs in and my eardrums still were about ruptured! 501ME was back in service four days later. That was my best experience next to an engine on a DC-9. I've also flown on an ME MD-80 in the last row but that was uneventful, it wasn't a good seat because there was no window!

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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:54 pm

Seattle to Mexico City- last row, window seat on the three abreast side. A long, long flight even with the stop in DFW.
I do not mind the engine noise or the lack of view, it is the 100+ passengers waiting for the lavs!!
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RE: Last Seat On A MD-80

Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:04 pm

I have one time. Delta from ATL-CLE. It sucked. The legroom is terrible because of the rear galley bulkhead and the noise was terrible. It also had, what almost seemed to be, fumes coming inside the cabin. I wasn't impressed.

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