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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:26 pm

airtran737 wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Which E145? There were a series of PIPs that improved runway performance (airframe and engine PIPs). The winglets helped as did an engine thrust improvement PIP. The AE 3007 engine has quite a bit of thrust variation among ERJ145 models. Last I looked, there were 8 variants running on the ERJ 145. In particular the AE3007A1E has much better hot/high performance than the other variants. Is the A2 only for the business jets? I believe so, but I do not know if it was offered as a retrofit.

So what was Piedmont operating? Which MTOW?

I know Continental insisted on improvements before buying. What version did Piedmont buy?

Lightsaber


Piedmont did not buy the E145's, but AA pulled them from Envoy and some that were parked and transferred them to Piedmont. What ever model they have, the CRJ-200 can operate from HVN while the E145 cannot.The HVN-PHL route is about 200 miles so it does not speak well of the E145. Piedmont also said they could not operate the E145 out of SBY and its 6400 foot runway. Again I don't know what version Piedmont has, but any RJ should be able to operate off a 5600 or 6400 foot runway.


The 145 should be able to do a flaps 22 takeoff on a 5600 foot runway. Hell, we do flaps 9 out of DBQ and that’s 6500 feet. When TYR was using the short runway we were flying out of there as well.


The response from Piedmont when asked about 145's serving HVN. " Q. Will HVN get ERJ-145's to PHL?, > A. Current runway lengths and obstructions do not allow for ERJ-145 operations to/from
HVN." Yet the CRJ-200 will be assigned to HVN. A court case involving paving the overruns is currently in the hands of the US appeals court.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:17 pm

Envoy does flaps 9 from the 6300 ft runway at DBQ all the time. No reason PDT can't operate from SBY.
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:30 pm

E145 N695AE is en route from SAW to SBY for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N695AE
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:42 pm

E145 N629AE just arrived from SAW to SBY for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 34 on property.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N629AE
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:46 pm

E175 N261NN / 061 delivered to Envoy yesterday. 42 on property.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:23 pm

Interesting thread. I don't know a lot about regional flying but I do know historically the airlines have lost money on the regional operation and ticket sales but of course made money on all the flow-through traffic. This last year or two AA (and maybe DL, UA) has been making a profit on the regional operations by themselves. That's just icing on top of icing for the mainline carriers. That along with the pilot shortage sure makes for some interesting times on how this all shakes out.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:15 pm

E140 N857AE is back in service with Envoy and is at AMA for paint.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:50 pm

E140 N850AE / 850 is back in service with Envoy and is at AMA for paint.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:56 am

They seem to be avoiding the EAS routes going to ORD. I do see them expanding to more regional flights from DFW and ORD. Seems to have worked well so far (Kirby is bringing it to UA at ORD).
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:58 pm

Air Wisconsin CR2 N411ZW has transferred to United Express and is at FTW for paint.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:59 pm

Jgcotter,

Do you know how many Air Wisconsin CRJs remain in the American Eagle fleet and/or are projected to be in the fleet as of year-end?

Between the remaining Air Wisconsin CRJs and the remaining Piedmont Dash 8-300s, I think the AA fleet plan is going to show a reduction of 30-40 50 seaters in 2018 when it is released in January.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:46 pm

Yes, there are currently 27 remaining Air Wisconsin CR2s operating for American Eagle. Unsure how many will remain at year-end. Most, if not all, of the stored Envoy E140s are being returned to service, primarily at DFW. This should help offset the loss of the Piedmont DH8s and Air Whiskey CR2s, as the Envoy E145s are transferred to Piedmont and the Envoy CR7s are transferred to PSA.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:16 am

how many e140s that are back in service are repainted? It seems that some are and some are not, but I have not found a current count.
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:59 am

I’m showing 12 E140s back in service with eight of those painted, and four unpainted. Four more are at ABI preparing to return to service. I understand those will be painted upon return to service.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:05 am

jgcotter wrote:
I’m showing 12 E140s back in service with eight of those painted, and four unpainted. Four more are at ABI preparing to return to service. I understand those will be painted upon return to service.


Is one of them N809AE? That bird is special to me, I'd like to fly it if it's back in service.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:58 am

Yes, N809AE is in ABI preparing to return to service.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:10 pm

CR7 N517AE is en route from SAW to DAY for transfer from Envoy to PSA. 34 CR7s on property now at PSA.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N517AE
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:06 pm

E140 N836AE / 836 is back in service with Envoy. 13 E140s now on property at Envoy.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:52 pm

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Mesa is on super thin ice. They are frequently the topic of jokes and criticism from many at Envoy, myself included. Their operations are sub-optimal with mediocre product and services, to put it lightly. Unfortunately, I must D2 on them a lot. If Parker was not CEO, I cannot say, with confidence, that Mesa would be with AAG.

I already think they will be sent away come a new eventual CEO. The reason AAG awards new aircraft and routes to MQ is because of our performance, and if we reopen LAX, which I think is a good possibility, and it's a E75E base, that will make Mesa all the more redundant, especially at DFW.

Compass will likely go 100% Delta.

Trans States...What a joke of an airline themselves. E145s have been returned to AA as mechanical wrecks.

That's a whole lotta Envoy propaganda right there. Instead of wishing for the demise of other individuals jobs, how about you just be happy and conetent with what you have?

For everyone else- take this drivel with a grain of salt. The lowest bidders will stay, because that's what this industry is about, sadly.


Ridiculous. What would I have to gain for "wishing" for the demise of jobs? It seems silly to assume that.

But you are correct in me being happy. I work for one of the best, if not, the best Regional out there. And your poor view of the industry, while understandable, is proof that you have not been watching.


That’s like saying you crap the smoothest turds.

And dude, seriously, word to the wise: don’t tell strangers on the internet who you work for.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:23 pm

Based strictly upon aircraft movement, I now show 14 E140s back in service with Envoy. Of these 14, I show 9 having spent a week at AMA, which is a paint facility, and a week is about right for paint.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:04 am

Could their E145/175s make MIA-SLU-MIA? Seen these puppies handle all sorts of runways, so I'm curious.
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:11 am

jgcotter wrote:
Based strictly upon aircraft movement, I now show 14 E140s back in service with Envoy. Of these 14, I show 9 having spent a week at AMA, which is a paint facility, and a week is about right for paint.


Any chance that once Envoy winds down E145 operations and all E145 flying gets transferred to Piedmont that we might see AA transfer the newly reactivated E140s over to Piedmont as well, or are the E140s only a temporary fix to pick up the slack from Air Wisconsin's CR2s and Piedmont's DH1/DH3s leaving the fleet?
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:21 am

Kviator wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Based strictly upon aircraft movement, I now show 14 E140s back in service with Envoy. Of these 14, I show 9 having spent a week at AMA, which is a paint facility, and a week is about right for paint.


Any chance that once Envoy winds down E145 operations and all E145 flying gets transferred to Piedmont that we might see AA transfer the newly reactivated E140s over to Piedmont as well, or are the E140s only a temporary fix to pick up the slack from Air Wisconsin's CR2s and Piedmont's DH1/DH3s leaving the fleet?


Simply put, I doubt it. It's doubtful that Piedmont could ever take on that much flying. Plus, Envoy has the legacy of having flown the 140, so they have manuals and a program in place. No sense making Piedmont do all that, to fly the 140, if it's not a very long term proposition.

I'd be amazed if they ever even figure out how to move all the Envoy CR7's to PSA, due to the staffing issues at PSA.
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:26 am

Kviator wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Based strictly upon aircraft movement, I now show 14 E140s back in service with Envoy. Of these 14, I show 9 having spent a week at AMA, which is a paint facility, and a week is about right for paint.


Any chance that once Envoy winds down E145 operations and all E145 flying gets transferred to Piedmont that we might see AA transfer the newly reactivated E140s over to Piedmont as well, or are the E140s only a temporary fix to pick up the slack from Air Wisconsin's CR2s and Piedmont's DH1/DH3s leaving the fleet?


With only six seats less than the E145's, but better off short runways's, they might go to Piedmont for airports with short runway's. HHH is going to 5000 feet and HVN has 5600 feet hoping to go to 7000 feet. Might be a few more airports that had Dash-8 service and short runways that could benefit from the E140.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:14 pm

jgcotter wrote:
Based strictly upon aircraft movement, I now show 14 E140s back in service with Envoy. Of these 14, I show 9 having spent a week at AMA, which is a paint facility, and a week is about right for paint.

Update; 14 in service, 10 painted.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:03 pm

Air Wisconsin CR2s N413AW, N415AW, N443AW, N450AW and N453AW have transferred to United Express and are at FTW for paint into United Express livery.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:37 pm

Air Wisconsin CR2s N454AW and N460AW have transferred to United Express and are at FTW for paint into United Express livery.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:42 pm

does Mesa have any plans to remove n407sw anytime soon? it should reach cycle limits soon.
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:57 am

cheapgreek wrote:
Kviator wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Based strictly upon aircraft movement, I now show 14 E140s back in service with Envoy. Of these 14, I show 9 having spent a week at AMA, which is a paint facility, and a week is about right for paint.


Any chance that once Envoy winds down E145 operations and all E145 flying gets transferred to Piedmont that we might see AA transfer the newly reactivated E140s over to Piedmont as well, or are the E140s only a temporary fix to pick up the slack from Air Wisconsin's CR2s and Piedmont's DH1/DH3s leaving the fleet?


With only six seats less than the E145's, but better off short runways's, they might go to Piedmont for airports with short runway's. HHH is going to 5000 feet and HVN has 5600 feet hoping to go to 7000 feet. Might be a few more airports that had Dash-8 service and short runways that could benefit from the E140.

Without the E140s, HHH will have to be dropped. Even the DH3 has pretty significant restrictions into HHH. I could absolutely see them used for specific routes and operational spares.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:20 pm

Piedmont DHC-8-100 N975HA is en route from SBY to its new owner Avmax in GTF.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:14 am

silentbob wrote:
cheapgreek wrote:
Kviator wrote:

Any chance that once Envoy winds down E145 operations and all E145 flying gets transferred to Piedmont that we might see AA transfer the newly reactivated E140s over to Piedmont as well, or are the E140s only a temporary fix to pick up the slack from Air Wisconsin's CR2s and Piedmont's DH1/DH3s leaving the fleet?


With only six seats less than the E145's, but better off short runways's, they might go to Piedmont for airports with short runway's. HHH is going to 5000 feet and HVN has 5600 feet hoping to go to 7000 feet. Might be a few more airports that had Dash-8 service and short runways that could benefit from the E140.

Without the E140s, HHH will have to be dropped. Even the DH3 has pretty significant restrictions into HHH. I could absolutely see them used for specific routes and operational spares.

No reason a E175 can't go into there.
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:52 am

Varsity1 wrote:
ITT I'd like to discuss the future of AA's regional feed. At 653 aircraft, AA has the largest regional lift system in the world. I know we have some MQ and YX employees here, hopefully providing insight. Currently the list of lift providers looks like this:

Envoy:
33 CRJ-700. Currently being shifted to PSA as staffing allows.
39 ERJ-175. Originally 40 orders with 90 options. 4 options converted for a total of 44 aircraft due. AA has hit the ceiling of it's large RJ scope clause, placing the future of these options in doubt. *Insight here would be huge*.
66 ERJ-145. Being transferred to Piedmont at a rate of 2 a month. Unknown if all will eventually go.
0 ERJ-140. Being brought back into service starting July 2017, unknown as to why or what the long term prospects are for these airplanes.


I'm curious what they will do with flights such as Chicago to Marquette, Mi. It's a CRJ-700. If you move that plane type to PSA, which has no crew based in Chicago, how do you operate the flight?

Also, what did Envoy air do wrong? If you take planes from them, and don't give them planes ....
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:11 am

kitplane01 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
ITT I'd like to discuss the future of AA's regional feed. At 653 aircraft, AA has the largest regional lift system in the world. I know we have some MQ and YX employees here, hopefully providing insight. Currently the list of lift providers looks like this:

Envoy:
33 CRJ-700. Currently being shifted to PSA as staffing allows.
39 ERJ-175. Originally 40 orders with 90 options. 4 options converted for a total of 44 aircraft due. AA has hit the ceiling of it's large RJ scope clause, placing the future of these options in doubt. *Insight here would be huge*.
66 ERJ-145. Being transferred to Piedmont at a rate of 2 a month. Unknown if all will eventually go.
0 ERJ-140. Being brought back into service starting July 2017, unknown as to why or what the long term prospects are for these airplanes.


I'm curious what they will do with flights such as Chicago to Marquette, Mi. It's a CRJ-700. If you move that plane type to PSA, which has no crew based in Chicago, how do you operate the flight?

Also, what did Envoy air do wrong? If you take planes from them, and don't give them planes ....


Airlines do not schedule pilots to only fly flights into and out of their crew domicile. Typically, Your crew base is just were you start and stop your trips. Your trip will take you throughout the entire system. For example, I was recently in Boise for an overnight from a flight that originated in IAH, yet I'm not based in IAH nor does my airline even have a crew domicile there. I then flew to Chicago on a Skywest flight which was operated by a LAX Based crew.
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:31 am

jgcotter wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Based strictly upon aircraft movement, I now show 14 E140s back in service with Envoy. Of these 14, I show 9 having spent a week at AMA, which is a paint facility, and a week is about right for paint.

Update; 14 in service, 10 painted.

Update; 14 in service, 12 painted.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:58 am

kitplane01 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
ITT I'd like to discuss the future of AA's regional feed. At 653 aircraft, AA has the largest regional lift system in the world. I know we have some MQ and YX employees here, hopefully providing insight. Currently the list of lift providers looks like this:

Envoy:
33 CRJ-700. Currently being shifted to PSA as staffing allows.
39 ERJ-175. Originally 40 orders with 90 options. 4 options converted for a total of 44 aircraft due. AA has hit the ceiling of it's large RJ scope clause, placing the future of these options in doubt. *Insight here would be huge*.
66 ERJ-145. Being transferred to Piedmont at a rate of 2 a month. Unknown if all will eventually go.
0 ERJ-140. Being brought back into service starting July 2017, unknown as to why or what the long term prospects are for these airplanes.


I'm curious what they will do with flights such as Chicago to Marquette, Mi. It's a CRJ-700. If you move that plane type to PSA, which has no crew based in Chicago, how do you operate the flight?

Also, what did Envoy air do wrong? If you take planes from them, and don't give them planes ....


The planes are flown by an Envoy crew and then handed over to the scabs at PSA.

As to what Envoy did wrong...PSA signed a concessionary contract which granted them the CRJ900’s and also all of Envoy’s CRJ 700’s. Envoy and all of the other regionals were refusing to be victims of a whipsaw, but the PSA MEC chose to lookout for themselves. PSA then had the balls to try and take the Envoy pilots after they took their aircraft. Envoy was threatened by management to be “Comaired” if they didn’t sign a second concessionary agreement. Envoy refusing to play nice with AAG at the start is also why 20 of the 175’s are being operated by Compass. This was a punishment for not being good boys and girls. Needless to say, there is tremendous dislike among the Envoy pilots for the PSA pilots and there will continue to be for a long time.
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:00 pm

e175 n137hq is back in service as of 12.20.17
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:35 pm

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e175 n137hq is back in service as of 12.20.17

That gives Republic 85x E175 in service with American Eagle, for a total of 149x E175 in the Eagle fleet. 10 more on order for Envoy and 76 options.
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:47 pm

E145 N691AE is en route from SAW to SBY for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 35x E145s on property now at Piedmont.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N691AE
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:00 pm

Does anyone know if the Marquette (KSAW/MQT) maintenance base deals only with Envoy planes, or do they also perform maintenance on CRJs/ERJs from other AE carriers like Piedmont or PSA?
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:06 pm

I'm getting mixed numbers with the number of E145s at MQ. What's the exact amount?
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:06 pm

Boeing778X wrote:
I'm getting mixed numbers with the number of E145s at MQ. What's the exact amount?

With the ExpressJet E145s back on property at MQ and the transfer of one today to Piedmont, I’m showing 69 E145s currently at MQ.
 
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:14 pm

N415XJ wrote:
Does anyone know if the Marquette (KSAW/MQT) maintenance base deals only with Envoy planes, or do they also perform maintenance on CRJs/ERJs from other AE carriers like Piedmont or PSA?

So far all I’ve seen are Envoy CRJ/ERJ passing through SAW for four weeks just before transfer to PSA/Piedmont. I haven’t seen any PSA/PDT CRJ/ERJ return there yet for mnx. They may be, I just haven’t seen it.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:47 pm

jgcotter wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Based strictly upon aircraft movement, I now show 14 E140s back in service with Envoy. Of these 14, I show 9 having spent a week at AMA, which is a paint facility, and a week is about right for paint.

Update; 14 in service, 10 painted.

Update; 14 in service, 12 painted.

which 2 are not repainted yet?
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Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:22 pm

aaflyer222 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Update; 14 in service, 10 painted.

Update; 14 in service, 12 painted.

which 2 are not repainted yet?

I’m showing N809AE and N831AE in service in old livery.
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:11 pm

N415XJ wrote:
Does anyone know if the Marquette (KSAW/MQT) maintenance base deals only with Envoy planes, or do they also perform maintenance on CRJs/ERJs from other AE carriers like Piedmont or PSA?


MQT is an Envoy only MX base. Currently the route is flown by CRJ-700s. I imagine when (if) they leave the fleet, the route will be taken over by ERJ-145s or E175s.
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Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:44 pm

MLIAA wrote:
N415XJ wrote:
Does anyone know if the Marquette (KSAW/MQT) maintenance base deals only with Envoy planes, or do they also perform maintenance on CRJs/ERJs from other AE carriers like Piedmont or PSA?


MQT is an Envoy only MX base. Currently the route is flown by CRJ-700s. I imagine when (if) they leave the fleet, the route will be taken over by ERJ-145s or E175s.

OK, thanks for the answer. I assume that the route would be taken over by -145s, which is what Marquette saw for years before the CRJ-700s started coming up. As much as I'd LOVE seeing 175s up here, they'd most likely be way too big to be sustainable. Here's hoping, though.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:58 pm

Anyone know how many 145s TransStates has and if they're still receiving any?
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:18 pm

airtran737 wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
ITT I'd like to discuss the future of AA's regional feed. At 653 aircraft, AA has the largest regional lift system in the world. I know we have some MQ and YX employees here, hopefully providing insight. Currently the list of lift providers looks like this:

Envoy:
33 CRJ-700. Currently being shifted to PSA as staffing allows.
39 ERJ-175. Originally 40 orders with 90 options. 4 options converted for a total of 44 aircraft due. AA has hit the ceiling of it's large RJ scope clause, placing the future of these options in doubt. *Insight here would be huge*.
66 ERJ-145. Being transferred to Piedmont at a rate of 2 a month. Unknown if all will eventually go.
0 ERJ-140. Being brought back into service starting July 2017, unknown as to why or what the long term prospects are for these airplanes.


I'm curious what they will do with flights such as Chicago to Marquette, Mi. It's a CRJ-700. If you move that plane type to PSA, which has no crew based in Chicago, how do you operate the flight?

Also, what did Envoy air do wrong? If you take planes from them, and don't give them planes ....


The planes are flown by an Envoy crew and then handed over to the scabs at PSA.

As to what Envoy did wrong...PSA signed a concessionary contract which granted them the CRJ900’s and also all of Envoy’s CRJ 700’s. Envoy and all of the other regionals were refusing to be victims of a whipsaw, but the PSA MEC chose to lookout for themselves. PSA then had the balls to try and take the Envoy pilots after they took their aircraft. Envoy was threatened by management to be “Comaired” if they didn’t sign a second concessionary agreement. Envoy refusing to play nice with AAG at the start is also why 20 of the 175’s are being operated by Compass. This was a punishment for not being good boys and girls. Needless to say, there is tremendous dislike among the Envoy pilots for the PSA pilots and there will continue to be for a long time.


That makes no sense to me (which I assume is my fault).

Both PSA and Envoy are wholly owned subsidiaries of American. Why could not American order whatever agreement American wanted? How can Envoy refuse an order from it's owners?

I would understand if Envoy told AA that the terms were uneconomical. Which makes me wonder if PSA has better economics than Envoy?
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:20 pm

flightsimer wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
ITT I'd like to discuss the future of AA's regional feed. At 653 aircraft, AA has the largest regional lift system in the world. I know we have some MQ and YX employees here, hopefully providing insight. Currently the list of lift providers looks like this:

Envoy:
33 CRJ-700. Currently being shifted to PSA as staffing allows.
39 ERJ-175. Originally 40 orders with 90 options. 4 options converted for a total of 44 aircraft due. AA has hit the ceiling of it's large RJ scope clause, placing the future of these options in doubt. *Insight here would be huge*.
66 ERJ-145. Being transferred to Piedmont at a rate of 2 a month. Unknown if all will eventually go.
0 ERJ-140. Being brought back into service starting July 2017, unknown as to why or what the long term prospects are for these airplanes.


I'm curious what they will do with flights such as Chicago to Marquette, Mi. It's a CRJ-700. If you move that plane type to PSA, which has no crew based in Chicago, how do you operate the flight?

Also, what did Envoy air do wrong? If you take planes from them, and don't give them planes ....


Airlines do not schedule pilots to only fly flights into and out of their crew domicile. Typically, Your crew base is just were you start and stop your trips. Your trip will take you throughout the entire system. For example, I was recently in Boise for an overnight from a flight that originated in IAH, yet I'm not based in IAH nor does my airline even have a crew domicile there. I then flew to Chicago on a Skywest flight which was operated by a LAX Based crew.


I knew that.

But if the plan is for PSA to fly lots of flights out of Chicago, and yet have no base in Chicago, that seems inefficient. Especially when a different wholly owned subsidiary already has a crew base in Chicago. I'm sure someone did math to make sure it works, but it's a surprising outcome.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:26 pm

N415XJ wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
N415XJ wrote:
Does anyone know if the Marquette (KSAW/MQT) maintenance base deals only with Envoy planes, or do they also perform maintenance on CRJs/ERJs from other AE carriers like Piedmont or PSA?


MQT is an Envoy only MX base. Currently the route is flown by CRJ-700s. I imagine when (if) they leave the fleet, the route will be taken over by ERJ-145s or E175s.

OK, thanks for the answer. I assume that the route would be taken over by -145s, which is what Marquette saw for years before the CRJ-700s started coming up. As much as I'd LOVE seeing 175s up here, they'd most likely be way too big to be sustainable. Here's hoping, though.


That is not what the airport is planning!

The airport just changed it's FAA security classification to allow for the larger aircraft. Make every person with a gate badge go through a long and boring and not-obviously-useful training program. Hundreds of people. Rebuilt the gate electronics. Issued new badges. It was a big deal.

Funny thing is, this effort was required to have the bigger RJs, and yet happened after the bigger RJs started coming.

But in any case, Sawyer/Marquette is to be serviced by the bigger RJs.
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