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Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:43 am

Start up of Midwest Express Airlines.

http://www.flymidwestexpress.com/
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:46 am

That website is basically begging for investment. Doesn't seem very promising. Although I would love to see them succeed.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:47 am

I sure hope CRJ's aren't part of the plans. That won't turn out well.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:53 am

metropolitan airways subsidary
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:05 am

SunsetLimited wrote:
I sure hope CRJ's aren't part of the plans. That won't turn out well.


I agree. Worst possible plane to try and start an airline with. Even if they got the CRJ for free, it's still a PITA to turn a profit on.

I am all for a return of Midwest though!
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:13 am

Looks like some kid's web design project for school.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:17 am

Ironically, when I saw the thread title I thought it was going to be a "What if YX survived to 2017?" threads. My thought: It'd be flying E175s as a connection carrier for someone. I guess I was shooting too high. :-)
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:30 am

lololololololololoollllllllollolololoolololololoooooooooollllllooooooooolllllololololololllllllllll

Not gonna happen.

Midwest is dead, and to resurrect it using CRJs is an insult to its legacy.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:32 am

The name and logo aren't owned by WN any longer?
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:42 am

And...we may just have an idea why Southwest suddenly adding Milwaukee to Cleveland, Nashville, Houston and a second trip to St Louis are a priority. During an eight-month period when almost zero other new daily domestic routes were added, Southwest has made these Milwaukee shifts. The only non-Milwaukee daily domestic city pair added between early August and early April is SAN-TPA.

Why the new Southwest routes at MKE given the tight fleet?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1369583&p=19704153#p19704153


If this is what has led Southwest to suddenly need to make these Milwaukee moves then (a) word of this must be out there and (b) Southwest must view this as reasonably credible. And some or all of the new WN Milwaukee markets are in the plans of a new Midwest Express.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:45 am

Southwest? Credible?
Even if I personally took them a $500 million check tomorrow this thing still wouldn't be off the ground 3 years from now.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:20 am

LOL they show a CRJ 200 with an over wing exit. Guess they don't quite know what they want. :)
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:24 am

ENOUGH, ALREADY ! ! ! Anyone out there with a king's ransom of cash burning a hole in their mattress, just waiting for the chance to start another airline in the USA, should read this . . . make that read AND memorize this! . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... ted_States

Exhuming the collective corpse of ANY defunct airline of the USA is INSANE ! ! ! The only one that has survived is Frontier, yet the current Frontier bears little or no resemblance to the former Frontier. So, before someone else springs up wanting to start up "the next ValuJet", PLEASE, let the names of our defunct carriers rest in peace!
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:57 am

lavalampluva wrote:
The name and logo aren't owned by WN any longer?

Southwest's never had anything to do with Midwest.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:32 am

Why did Northwest spend 450 million to buy MIdwestExpress only to bankrupt It?
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:04 am

Northwest bought Republic conveniently eliminating a competitor. I sent them some information about joining them. We will see.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:06 am

Then Northwest buys Republic same outcome.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:19 am

Sorry! My mistake. Air Tran wanted to merge with Midwest It would have better ultimately than the fate the airline and employees experienced.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... ss-we-didn
Here is the wikipedia history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest_Airlines
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:32 am

mtnwest1979 wrote:
LOL they show a CRJ 200 with an over wing exit. Guess they don't quite know what they want. :)


I dunno, that exit looks pretty close to the original if you ask me.. :sarcastic:



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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:35 am

admluvs2fly wrote:
Why did Northwest spend 450 million to buy MIdwestExpress only to bankrupt It?


I would guess it was cutting into either MSP or DTW or both to the tune of 450 million. So it needed to go.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:09 am

SkyVoice wrote:
ENOUGH, ALREADY ! ! ! Anyone out there with a king's ransom of cash burning a hole in their mattress, just waiting for the chance to start another airline in the USA, should read this . . . make that read AND memorize this! . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... ted_States

Exhuming the collective corpse of ANY defunct airline of the USA is INSANE ! ! ! The only one that has survived is Frontier, yet the current Frontier bears little or no resemblance to the former Frontier. So, before someone else springs up wanting to start up "the next ValuJet", PLEASE, let the names of our defunct carriers rest in peace!

Actually Delta has survived too...lots of people forget, the current Delta is the resurrection of the original Delta which IIRC lasted from 1930-1934?

Eastern's survived too..(for now anyways)

Aside from that, I wish them better than the latest version of PeopleXpress!
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:36 am

AntonioMartin wrote:

Eastern's survived too..(for now anyways)


Eastern did not survived. They were resurrected. That's two different things.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:27 am

Are there any used CR7/9's on the market at a good price ? perhaps a 70-90 seat regional with a first class cabin would be better? I know many disagree but I actually find the CR7's to be a comfortable ride. I was on a new one back in college and it was one of the nicest cabins I've been in. Very clean, crisp LED lighting.

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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:43 am

dcaviation wrote:
AntonioMartin wrote:

Eastern's survived too..(for now anyways)


Eastern did not survived. They were resurrected. That's two different things.

The resurrection is what I meant. Guess I should have been more specific...
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:59 pm

Need we forget that David Neeleman is rumored to be looking at starting up another US airline. :stirthepot:

Joking aside I have heard that there is a company looking to convert CRJ's into a more business jet type aircraft. Maybe they come back as a public charter.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:36 pm

77H wrote:
Are there any used CR7/9's on the market at a good price ? perhaps a 70-90 seat regional with a first class cabin would be better? I know many disagree but I actually find the CR7's to be a comfortable ride. I was on a new one back in college and it was one of the nicest cabins I've been in. Very clean, crisp LED lighting.

77H


I get the feeling in the next 24 months, a good number of early delivery CR7's are going to come available.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:00 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
77H wrote:
Are there any used CR7/9's on the market at a good price ? perhaps a 70-90 seat regional with a first class cabin would be better? I know many disagree but I actually find the CR7's to be a comfortable ride. I was on a new one back in college and it was one of the nicest cabins I've been in. Very clean, crisp LED lighting.

77H


I get the feeling in the next 24 months, a good number of early delivery CR7's are going to come available.


Didn't the CR7 go through two different iterations, though? IIRC, the early CR7s were basically a stretched CRJ, with the same crappy cabin design. Then, around the time the CR9 was introduced, Bombardier made some cabin improvements to the line, including lowering the floor a bit to provide more shoulder room, improving the lighting (LEDs) and other tweaks.

If my memory is correct on that, then the "early delivery CR7s" wouldn't be as nice as the ones 77H was thinking of.

Of course, if they really wanted to go back to the Midwest of old, there's another Bombardier product that would offer the perfect cabin dimensions for a good, all-F product. Just saying... (and no, I don't believe they would order them, nor do I believe this project will even get off the ground, so to speak, but one can dream)
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:05 pm

WeatherPilot wrote:
Looks like some kid's web design project for school.

I love that you are guaranteed to see one of these comments on every single startup post here
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:10 pm

JBo wrote:
lololololololololoollllllllollolololoolololololoooooooooollllllooooooooolllllololololololllllllllll

Not gonna happen.

Midwest is dead, and to resurrect it using CRJs is an insult to its legacy.


Indeed. A CS300 might be worthwhile though.....I know, pipe dream.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:11 pm

Possible E-Jet E2 customer (if legit)?
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:39 pm

mtnwest1979 wrote:
LOL they show a CRJ 200 with an over wing exit. Guess they don't quite know what they want. :)

As a current CR2 driver, I can assure you row 8 is an exit row. Although there is no row 13 on the right side because that's where the lav is.

On topic, if this startup wants to be even remotely viable, the CRJ of any flavor is not the way to go. They would be much better off modeling their operation off of Porter and getting Q400s (and flying out of Meigs instead of MKE, but that wound is still too fresh). The majors are getting rid of turboprops at their regionals at the moment but only because oil is cheap. There's no guarantee that will remain the case. As soon as oil goes back up, any airline relying on RJs to make money will be hurting.

In any case, there has not been a new viable, scheduled Part 121 airline on the scene since VX. It's about time for a new entrant into the US market. I truly wish them the best!
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:24 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
Didn't the CR7 go through two different iterations, though? IIRC, the early CR7s were basically a stretched CRJ, with the same crappy cabin design. Then, around the time the CR9 was introduced, Bombardier made some cabin improvements to the line, including lowering the floor a bit to provide more shoulder room, improving the lighting (LEDs) and other tweaks.

If my memory is correct on that, then the "early delivery CR7s" wouldn't be as nice as the ones 77H was thinking of.


All CRJ-700s (and 900s) have an improved cabin of the -200. Even the early models featured lowered floors, raised windows, thinner less obtrusive sidewall panels, and bins that are bigger than a -200. With the NextGen the windows got taller, lighting was changed to LEDs, the sidewalls got further enhanced along with redesigned overhead bin doors and handles, and a few other changes were made to make them look nicer inside. Bombardier has actually been constantly tinkering with the interiors over the life of the stretched CRJs but all of the -700/900/1000 cabins are nicer inside than a -200, some just more so than others.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:33 pm

Only on airliners.net could a simple one-page "airline" website with a single contact us link generate a thread with 32 replies.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:37 pm

Anybody consider this may be a wet-lease from somebody like Skywest or Air Wisconsin? Far, far easier, cheaper, and faster to get to the sky as a "virtual" airline than having to do everything yourself in-house and go through the miles of regulatory processes to get certified. If this is their plan:

--It faces far fewer hurdles to becoming a reality
--The CRJ's may reflect what their subcontractor is willing to partner with them on, not necessarily the what they have chosen as the ideal aircraft.

Nobody much likes the CRJ but perhaps they are planning to fit it with fewer and/or larger seats.

Obviously one can debate the economic outlook of such a plan. If they are confident they can get enough business travelerse willing to pay $250-$300 to fly nonstop between Milwaukee and Columbus, the idea of a 40-seat CRJ (as an example) is more promising than if they run a 40-seat CRJ between Milwaukee and Panama City FL and price cut to attract vacationers. Or a 40-seat CRJ against Southwest offering $49 fares to Nashville and Cleveland with 737-700's for that matter. I personally flew countless business trips between 1998 and 2012 paying $200-$300+ each way to take a BE1, CRJ, ERJ or FRJ from Milwaukee to Grand Rapids, Flint, Columbus, St Louis, Indianapolis, Cleveland and the like. I suspect that's their initial traffic target.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:01 pm

admluvs2fly wrote:
Why did Northwest spend 450 million to buy MIdwestExpress only to bankrupt It?

Northwest didn't buy Midwest. TPG Capital bought Midwest and later sold it to Republic.
newburg1 wrote:
Northwest bought Republic conveniently eliminating a competitor. I sent them some information about joining them. We will see.

That’s the wrong Republic. You’re referring to Republic Airlines from 1979-1986. The Republic involved in Midwest’s demise was the Republic that’s currently a Delta Connection / United Express / American Eagle carrier.
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Sorry! My mistake. Air Tran wanted to merge with Midwest It would have better ultimately than the fate the airline and employees experienced.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... ss-we-didn
Here is the wikipedia history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest_Airlines

Republic Airways Holdings (owner pf Republic / Chautauqua / Shuttle America / Frontier) bought Midwest at about the same time they bought Frontier and then merged the two into Frontier. Frontier got spun off but the Midwest assets and intellectual property remain with Republic Airways Holdings.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:10 pm

CrimsonNL wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
LOL they show a CRJ 200 with an over wing exit. Guess they don't quite know what they want. :)


I dunno, that exit looks pretty close to the original if you ask me.. :sarcastic:



Martijn


LOL I realized my error too late to edit it.
I was referencing a post earlier than my original that stated they were going to use CR900s, where pic and info stated no such thing lol.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:23 pm

I hope this isn't the same guy that wants to start a CRJ hub out of RFD
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:29 pm

I like the new livery they have picked out... but a CRJ? They better hope fuel prices are stable then which I think will be the case for awhile since North America has been pumping out more oil as of late and has proven reserves larger than Saudi Arabia. I know this is a pipe dream of mine and has been for awhile... I would love to see Midwest Express flying a C Series aircraft. A startup airline is really difficult, but I think people are hungry for an airline with great service and roomier seating. Something I wouldn't hesitate to pay extra for.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:38 pm

MKENut wrote:
I like the new livery they have picked out... but a CRJ? They better hope fuel prices are stable then which I think will be the case for awhile since North America has been pumping out more oil as of late and has proven reserves larger than Saudi Arabia. I know this is a pipe dream of mine and has been for awhile... I would love to see Midwest Express flying a C Series aircraft. A startup airline is really difficult, but I think people are hungry for an airline with great service and roomier seating. Something I wouldn't hesitate to pay extra for.

You just described Jet Blue.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:49 pm

32andBelow wrote:
MKENut wrote:
I like the new livery they have picked out... but a CRJ? They better hope fuel prices are stable then which I think will be the case for awhile since North America has been pumping out more oil as of late and has proven reserves larger than Saudi Arabia. I know this is a pipe dream of mine and has been for awhile... I would love to see Midwest Express flying a C Series aircraft. A startup airline is really difficult, but I think people are hungry for an airline with great service and roomier seating. Something I wouldn't hesitate to pay extra for.

You just described Jet Blue.


Sure but are they in MKE?
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:31 pm

This will probably be a worse fail than the recent "PeopleExpress" that didn't even get airborne......
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:36 pm

Except PeoplExpress did get airborne.
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:42 pm

MKENut wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
MKENut wrote:
I like the new livery they have picked out... but a CRJ? They better hope fuel prices are stable then which I think will be the case for awhile since North America has been pumping out more oil as of late and has proven reserves larger than Saudi Arabia. I know this is a pipe dream of mine and has been for awhile... I would love to see Midwest Express flying a C Series aircraft. A startup airline is really difficult, but I think people are hungry for an airline with great service and roomier seating. Something I wouldn't hesitate to pay extra for.

You just described Jet Blue.


Sure but are they in MKE?

You didn't list having their main hub in the 31st largest city as a requirement. Just people wanting an airline with more leg room.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:42 pm

Local pressed has picked on this:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/money/bus ... 552399001/



A source within Milwaukee's business community said members of the group have been shopping the concept and seeking investors in recent weeks.

The group has apparently purchased the branding and logo for the airline.

When asked about the effort Tuesday, Tim Hoeksema, the former CEO of Midwest Express who has a home in Lake Geneva, replied by email, "It is my understanding that two individuals (including a former Midwest Airlines employee) are attempting to start an airline using the Midwest Express name. I am not involved in this effort."
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:56 pm

milemaster wrote:
Only on airliners.net could a simple one-page "airline" website with a single contact us link generate a thread with 32 replies.

The old FL/YX merger speculation threads were easily some of the most enjoyable conversation on this site, many of whom have posted already in this thread.

There is a simmering passion for the old YX that I suspect this effort is trying to somehow rekindle. It may be somebody's marketing class project, but darn if it isn't interesting to follow!

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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:09 pm

Mikey711MN wrote:
milemaster wrote:
Only on airliners.net could a simple one-page "airline" website with a single contact us link generate a thread with 32 replies.

The old FL/YX merger speculation threads were easily some of the most enjoyable conversation on this site, many of whom have posted already in this thread.

There is a simmering passion for the old YX that I suspect this effort is trying to somehow rekindle. It may be somebody's marketing class project, but darn if it isn't interesting to follow!

-Mike


Perhaps the more appropriate way would have been to start the thread "Will Midwest Express fly from Milwaukee to Columbus, Omaha, Houston, St Louis, Kansas City, Hartford, Indianapolis, Norfolk, Cincinnati, Flint and Des Moines. :-)
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:13 pm

AntonioMartin wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
ENOUGH, ALREADY ! ! ! Anyone out there with a king's ransom of cash burning a hole in their mattress, just waiting for the chance to start another airline in the USA, should read this . . . make that read AND memorize this! . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... ted_States

Exhuming the collective corpse of ANY defunct airline of the USA is INSANE ! ! ! The only one that has survived is Frontier, yet the current Frontier bears little or no resemblance to the former Frontier. So, before someone else springs up wanting to start up "the next ValuJet", PLEASE, let the names of our defunct carriers rest in peace!

Actually Delta has survived too...lots of people forget, the current Delta is the resurrection of the original Delta which IIRC lasted from 1930-1934?

Eastern's survived too..(for now anyways)

Aside from that, I wish them better than the latest version of PeopleXpress!


Actually, Delta Air Lines was founded in 1924 as Huff-Daland Dusters in Macon, GA and has been operating continuously ever since. C.E. Woolman, an original partner in Huff-Daland Dusters, purchased the operation in 1928 and renamed the company Delta Air Service.

Delta is not a resurrection of a defunct carrier ;)
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:16 pm

Web wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
They would be much better off modeling their operation off of Porter and getting Q400s (and flying out of Meigs instead of MKE, but that wound is still too fresh).


Didn't you know that about 7-9 years ago good ole Mayor Daley sent out the bulldozers under the cover of darkness and, with no notice to the FAA, carved big Xs into the Meigs runway? End of story. End of Meigs,.
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:21 pm

I can just imagine the investor pitch.... "It'll be just like Independence Air but we'll succeed where they failed because we'll be using the exact same airframes, just 15 years older! We're saving so much in depreciation!"
 
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Re: Midwest Express 2017

Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:02 pm

God Bless 'Em For Trying I guess.

Times have changed. To me the biggest mistake YX made was when they split the fleet into Signature seating for the 717's and Saver seating for the MD-80's. It reminded me of the Continental/Continental Lite fiasco blurring the brand. In hindsight, making both models dual class with maybe a 40/60 Signature/Saver layout would have been a more unified approach from a marketing standpoint.

Onto the new plan. They are out of luck getting into DCA or LGA now, two of their earliest and strongest markets. Will they try to be a OneJet for MKE? The CRJ is the wrong plane even in a 1x2 configuration emulating the original comfort level (hardly) the prices they would need to charge would be astronomical compared to the competition. Where are the gaps in MKE's current destinations that would justify this type of operation? My mind boggles a bit on this one.

It's a shame F9 couldn't make the dual DEN/MKE hub strategy work, and WN could if they wanted to bank the crap out of MKE to pummel any encroachment by a new start-up. That's not likely but not outside the realm of possibility.

Even if I were a betting man I wouldn't put up cash with the odds stacked against them.
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Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos