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Hawaiian Airlines' DC-10 Replacement

Sat Aug 21, 1999 1:55 pm

Hawaiian Airlines is -bound- to replace their ageing DC-10 fleet soon. When they do, do you think that they will conform with the AA (future) US Mainland-Hawaii fleet (the 2 class 767), or do you think that they might branch out on their own?

(personally I think they should aquire Airbus A330-300's)

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RE: Hawaiian Airlines' DC-10 Replacement

Sat Aug 21, 1999 2:13 pm

Personally, I think they will stick with their DC-10s. Hawaiian is not known for buying brand new aircraft, and some of their DC-10s, the -30s, have just joined their fleet. Passengers seem to like the DC-10s, because every time I fly on them they are full or nearly full, even on the short flight from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. I hope they do keep them.

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777 Is An Ideal Replacement

Sat Aug 21, 1999 2:37 pm

I think 777 is a good replacement and it will allow the airline to expand. The 777 is the best replacement, I reckon.
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RE: 777 Is An Ideal Replacement

Sun Aug 22, 1999 12:11 am

The 777 would be a very nice replacement for HA, however it is a much too expensive aircraft for them, expecially for the leisure market they are serving.


RE: Hawaiian Airlines' DC-10 Replacement

Sun Aug 22, 1999 12:49 am

I think a Hawaiian 777 would LOOK so cool.


RE: Hawaiian Airlines' DC-10 Replacement

Sun Aug 22, 1999 1:14 am

i think a fleet of 12-14 757s would be ideal, that way they can fly HNL to SEA PDX ANC and other west coast cities more than once a day like the DC-10 does plus add cities like SMF SAN ONT...etc.and also fly from other islands to the westcoast....LIH KOA ITO...etc...and also you can use the 757s between the islands during peak travel times...HNL-OGG....HNL-KOA...etc..........maybe a mix of 757-200 and 757-300s would work well............
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RE: Hawaiian Airlines' DC-10 Replacement

Sun Aug 22, 1999 4:15 am

While seeing a Hawaiian 777-200 would be very nice I think that a small fleet of 757-200s and 757-300 along with a few widebody 767s.
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No 777s

Sun Aug 22, 1999 10:51 am

The 777s are too large and too expensive for HA to even consider. I believe that a mix of 757-200/300s would provide thebest mix for HA. A third a/c type might prove too costly. The -300s would serve the busier routes..LAX, SFO. The -200s would serve the less dense routes like SEA and PDX. While the 777 would look great, its really out of the question. In fact, a wide body replacemnt is not close at all. Several of the current DC10 leases run through 2003.
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What About The DC-9-50?

Mon Aug 23, 1999 4:52 am

All this talk about HA's DC-10's leaves one wondering about their DC-9-50's. The DC-9 has bee with HA far longer than the DC-10. They will eventually have to replace them. What would make a good repalcement for them. I think they might stick to "tradition" and go with a fleet of Boeing 717's. A 757-200 would seem like a good choice as well.
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RE: What About The DC-9-50?

Mon Aug 23, 1999 5:11 am

A fleet of leased 717/757s does seem to make the best sense. The 717s would perfectly replace the DC950s, offering similar capacity and comfort along with far higher reliability and efficiency. The 757s can easily handle all of HA's routes to North America and to the South Pacific.
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RE: What About The DC-9-50?

Mon Aug 23, 1999 5:40 am

If you consider the 717/757, why don´t we think about the 318/319/320/321 and 330 (especially the 332)? I think they will be good replacements for the 9-50s as well. The 32X will replace the 9-50s and when they buy the 319 they can grow into the 320/321, too. As a 10 replacement the 332 will be a good choice because of the capacity and range.
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RE: What About The DC-9-50?

Mon Aug 23, 1999 11:31 am

The A320 series doesnt really suit HA very well because of its height. These aircraft need liftersto load/unload baggage caargo becaseu the aircraft are high off the ground. The 717(and 737) are lower to the ground and thus allow easier access to cargo holds, and theoretically quicker turnarounds.

The A330 isnt really a good choice for HA either for several reasons:
A) Its expensive
B) No other airline(i know Skyservice) operates or will operate the A330 in North America for some time(dont jump down my throat, TW and NW have a/c on order, but bothe are years off, and may be cancelled). This creates maintainance headaches.
C) If the A320 series is not chosen for the reasons outlined above, the commonality advantage is lost. Even if HA wanted an a/c larger than the 757, I think they would choose the 763 because of its lower acquisition costs, availability of used aircraft, training costs, and commonality with other airlines fleets.
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RE: What About The DC-9-50?

Mon Aug 23, 1999 6:59 pm

I have heard that HA is considering a 717/737 mix or an A320-family mix for possible DC-9 replacement. Keeping the 9s is an option as well, as is acquiring newer used aircraft (such as the MD-80/-90 family I suppose).

For the long haul, I would be not happy if HA went for the 757. I've flown them on long haul flights such as LAX-MCO and it's not fun. The seats are just plain too narrow. I would like to see them with the 767 instead. They could mix the various types, using the 767-200 for lighter routes and 767-400s for the popular routes (such as HNL-LAX).

RE: Hawaiian Airlines' DC-10 Replacement

Tue Aug 24, 1999 9:26 am

Since AA is going to an all Boeing fleet, for conformity I expect Hawaiin to move to 757's and 767's. I don't forsee any 777's in the near future.

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