AirT85
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Vanguard To Orlando!

Thu Feb 21, 2002 8:56 pm

Hey Y'all! My favorite airline continues to grow, and has just announced service to Orlando. Here is the PR.
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KANSAS CITY, Mo., Feb. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Vanguard Airlines,
Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: VNGD) continued to expand its warm-weather
destinations with today's announcement of service to Orlando, Fla., beginning
April 22, 2002. Vanguard will offer one daily nonstop flight between Orlando
International Airport and the Company's Kansas City hub. Special introductory
fares between the two cities start from $99* each way.
Scott Dickson, CEO and President of Vanguard Airlines, said, "We are
pleased to bring our low fares and outstanding service to our second
destination in the state of Florida. With Fort Lauderdale, Myrtle Beach and
now Orlando, we have recently added a great mix of sunny, warm-weather
destinations. If you're heading to the coast -- be it the East, West or Gulf
Coast -- Vanguard has a destination for you."

From Kansas City to OrlandoFrom Orlando to Kansas City
Depart Arrive Flt# Freq Depart Arrive Flt# Freq.
9:00a 12:30p 528 Daily 1:20p 3:20p 901 Daily

With the new nonstop service to Kansas City, Vanguard will connect Orlando
with Austin, Texas; Colorado Springs, Colo.; Dallas/Ft. Worth; Denver; Los
Angeles and San Francisco. To purchase tickets for these flights, call
1-800-VANGUARD, book online at http://www.flyvanguard.com or contact your local
travel agent.
*Fares do not include passenger facility charges of $3 - $15, segment
taxes of $3 per segment or the September 11 Security fee of $2.50 per segment
up to a maximum of $5 one way or $10 round trip. A segment is defined as a
take off and landing. Total government charges imposed per passenger can be
as much as $20 per round-trip nonstop flight and as much as $31 per round-trip
connecting flight. Tickets must be purchased by March 14, 2002, and all
travel must be completed between April 22 and June 6, 2002. Fares are non-
refundable and are subject to a $50 change fee per person per itinerary change
plus any possible difference in fare. Itineraries may not be transferred to
another person. Fares are subject to availability and may not be available on
all flights or all days.
Vanguard Airlines, Kansas City's Hometown Airline, provides convenient
all-jet service to 17 cities nationwide, including Myrtle Beach beginning
March 28 and Orlando beginning April 22. The airline offers low fares with no
advance-purchase requirements, advanced seat assignment and extra legroom on
all flights with a fleet of six Boeing 737s and seven Boeing MD-80-series
aircraft, which feature SkyBox(TM) Business Class service. For more
information or to make reservations online, visit Vanguard's Web site at
http://www.flyvanguard.com .
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Will this be on 737-200s or MD-80 series aircraft? Also, how well have COS and FLL been doing? I imagine quite well in FLL since another FLA city has been added. Anyways, good job to Vanguard! Come to Philly  Big grin
Adios
Tony
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:54 am

Didn't Vanguard used to serve MCO from ATL? Or am I getting mixed up with ProAir?
 
AirT85
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 7:02 am

PROAIR served MCO from Atlanta. Vanguard used to serve Pittsburgh, Myrtle Beach, and New York JFK from Atlanta throughout various points in their history. Now they just serve MCI. But they seem to be doing quite well in Atlanta!
Tony
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:49 am

Actually yes in the past Vanguard did serve Orlando, I think from MCI.
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:01 am

One of the problems with Vanguard is most of there cities do not have enough frequency, and Orlando (MCO) is another example.

1 flight a day is quite poor service for the average traveler. These days passengers demand frequency, flexibility to travel in the morning OR afternoon. That can't be done if a destination is served with only 1 flight a day.

Frontier Airlines flies to Orlando (MCO) 2 times a day. However most of there destinations are served by 3 or 4 flights a day.

Either way, I hope Vanguard succeeds on the route.....

Regards
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:46 am

>>1 flight a day is quite poor service for the average traveler. These days passengers demand frequency, flexibility to travel in the morning OR afternoon.<<

But we aren't talking about the average traveler here, we are talking about the leisure one. The leisure traveler will usually go for the lowest fare, as long as the flight times are reasonable, ie-arrives before 8pm, departs after 8am.

Vanguard has fairly optimal times for Kansas City travelers. The flight to MCO leaves at 9am, a time where you can wake up at a decent time, and it arrives at 12:30p, so with the time it takes to get to a Disneyworld or Universal Studios hotel, it will be about time to check in, plus there is enough time to go somewhere for the rest of the day. Southwest's first non-stop leaves at 12:45p, and by the time the tourists get to the hotel, it's already time for dinner.

It's the same the way back. A 1:20pm departure gives enough time to pack up and get to the airport while being able to sleep in. Southwest's departure times are either too early(7:05a) or a little late in the afternoon after the noon checkout time(4:10p). And the fares are the same.

>>Frontier Airlines flies to Orlando (MCO) 2 times a day. However most of there destinations are served by 3 or 4 flights a day.<<

Many cities only have one or two flights(11), and even you contradict yourself by complaining how Vanguard has only one daily flight to MCO, yet Frontier only has one daily to FLL, and even BOS.

If you want to talk frequency, don't talk about Frontier that much. I'd say try AirTran. They start most routes from ATL that aren't leisure with at least two and generally 3 daily flights.
 
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:53 am

Another thing...many routes VNGD flies with one flight/day aren't large city-pairs, and F9 doesn't fly to them. BUF, PIT, MYR. A lot of other city-pairs have them as the only airline that flies it non-stop, such as MCI-AUS/LGA/COS, and the only low-fare to ATL/DFW/MSY/PIT from MCI and BUF-MDW.

Not trying to argue, just clear up a couple points.
 
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Great Plains Getting More Planes!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:04 pm

Great Plains is getting four more DO-328s between March and June 2002. They say the first one will come into scheduled service April 17.

Other news about them:

January on-time: 85%

completion: 100%

http://www.gpair.com

looks like we are finally hearing something from these guys!
 
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:05 pm

What's up with the new server? I know I specifically posted that post above to the start new topic area.
 
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 2:17 pm

Lowfareair,

Only 3 out of there 25 cities have only 1 flight a day. BOS (which is likely to come back to 2 flights a day later this year), DCA (only given 2 beyond the perimeter slots), and FLL.

The rest of there destinations have at least 2 flights a day.

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with you regarding the number for flights for the leisure traveler.

Even the average leisure traveler needs to have the ability to choose whether he/she wants to fly in the morning or at in the evening.

As for me, I would prefer the morning.
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 5:00 pm

What are the chances of Vanguard starting service to ABQ. I know SW has the route pretty much in hand, but why not give it a chance. What about even Midwest Express, Alaska Airlines to SEA, or maybe even JetBlue? What do you think? POSITIVE COMMENTS ONLY!!!!!!

Gabe
 
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 7:31 pm

As I said with VNGDs flights to MCO, they are great for the MCI leisure traveler. It is the first flight of the day MCI-MCO, and it is at 9am, a fairly good departure time. They also offer a better time than WN for coming back, at 1:20p, as you would probably agree 7:05a is too early to leave from vacation.

It also looks like they are matching WN's fares on the route.
 
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RE: Vanguard To Orlando!

Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:06 am

Vanguard serves several cities once a day. However, if you look at the schedules coming up, a second flight to San Francisco will be starting soon. I'm certain that FLL and LAS will get new flights (after all, LAS had 2 flights per day up until Oct 4).

A few of these cities may be dropped. I don't expect BUF to continue for much longer. Appearently, Delta runs NJ's gate, and NJ can't get into it until roughly 7:00am et.

Generally, NJ starts new cities conservatively. Most of the routes any more are long-haul routes. COS started with two flights because it's only a 1 1/2 hour flight and was easy to schedule in with 13 planes.

Once more aircraft are acquired, I'm sure NJ will add more flights to cities already served.
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