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FI starting 767 to SEA?

Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:12 pm

I happened to notice that Icelandair was using a 767 to SEA yesterday. Was this a one-off, or is the 767 going to serve SEA moving forward over the 757?
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:56 pm

I think they put the 767 into SEA occasionally. Airlineroute this morning stated that the number of weekly flights from SEA next summer goes from 11 to 12, all on 75W.
 
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:49 pm

The 757-200 is the perfect aircraft for the KEF-SEA route.

Also, what would Icelandair purchase to replace the 757 and 767?
 
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:00 pm

NichCage wrote:
The 757-200 is the perfect aircraft for the KEF-SEA route.

Also, what would Icelandair purchase to replace the 757 and 767?


Well, maybe that future 797?
The 787 is most likely too large, unless they can keep growing some of their routes.

But those 757's are about 20 years old on the average.
The 737 MAX isn't going to fly SEA-KEF from what I can see.
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:01 pm

For a while during the Spring months, FI was alternating 757 and 767 on the SEA-KEF route.
 
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:23 pm

flybynight wrote:
NichCage wrote:
The 757-200 is the perfect aircraft for the KEF-SEA route.

Also, what would Icelandair purchase to replace the 757 and 767?


Well, maybe that future 797?
The 787 is most likely too large, unless they can keep growing some of their routes.

But those 757's are about 20 years old on the average.
The 737 MAX isn't going to fly SEA-KEF from what I can see.


Seems though a jet the size of 787 would be ideal for their London, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Kennedy, Boston, and possibly their Chicago turns.
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:37 pm

They've been bringing in the 767 off and on for the last several months. Doesn't seem to be a pattern to it, my guess is that they do it on days when they need a 757 to serve a lower frequency station.
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:15 pm

NichCage wrote:
The 757-200 is the perfect aircraft for the KEF-SEA route.

Also, what would Icelandair purchase to replace the 757 and 767?


Icelandair seems to be pretty happy with their strong 757 fleet.
I guess they might replace it in a not-so-near future with a mix of 737 MAX and maybe 797.
They already have MAXs ordered.
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:02 am

It's been 3x weekly 767 since Jan/Feb (with occasional periods scheduled more sparsely) and KEF-SEA is scheduled 3x 767, 4x 757 this winter.
Wouldn't be surprised if it makes it back into the schedule for next summer as well.
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:06 am

Not to hijack the thread, but where does FI send the 767 other than LHR? Seems like a perfect fit for MCO and TPA during peak season.
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:20 am

MSP had the 767 all summer, daily. Back to the 757 now.
 
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:21 am

leleko747 wrote:
NichCage wrote:
The 757-200 is the perfect aircraft for the KEF-SEA route.

Also, what would Icelandair purchase to replace the 757 and 767?


Icelandair seems to be pretty happy with their strong 757 fleet.
I guess they might replace it in a not-so-near future with a mix of 737 MAX and maybe 797.
They already have MAXs ordered.


Wasn't the idea behind the MAX order to take over the KEF-Europe flights? Thereby slowing the number of cycles the 757s are racking up...
 
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:14 am

vatveng wrote:
leleko747 wrote:
NichCage wrote:
The 757-200 is the perfect aircraft for the KEF-SEA route.

Also, what would Icelandair purchase to replace the 757 and 767?


Icelandair seems to be pretty happy with their strong 757 fleet.
I guess they might replace it in a not-so-near future with a mix of 737 MAX and maybe 797.
They already have MAXs ordered.


Wasn't the idea behind the MAX order to take over the KEF-Europe flights? Thereby slowing the number of cycles the 757s are racking up...


KEF Europe and the shorter flights to North America.
 
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:56 am

717atOGG wrote:
Not to hijack the thread, but where does FI send the 767 other than LHR? Seems like a perfect fit for MCO and TPA during peak season.

For S17 KEF-JFK, KEF_MSP, KEF-IAD and KEF-BOS where supposed to be the 763 routes to USA but apparently the demand on KEF-BOS was to great to be handled by a single 763 so the 763 was put on KEF-ORD and 2x 752 were used for KEF-BOS.
The 763 routes on the KEF-Europe S17 were daily KEF-LHR, KEF-AMS, KEF-ZRH and 4x weekly KEF-FRA, 3x weekly KEF-ARN.
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:10 pm

FI seems to have a few things to work on.
1 - Fix the airport, or work with the city to fix it. I will be flying them soon, but from what I hear KEF is a cluster fu*k with the multiple flights leaving for Canada and the US roughly at the same time.
2 - Fleet - easy to be an armchair QB, but it seems a viable option for the 757 needs to be thought out. Some of their 757's date back to the early 90's. Maintenance cost must become a factor.
3 - Interiors - are they competitive? Honestly, I am not sure, but it seems their business class could need a little refresh

So should FI hang onto the 757s until Boeing has the 797 ready, or maybe lease some 787's? Perhaps pick up some "newer" 767's, or even order some new ones.
Airbus doesn't seem to have a better answer either for FI.
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:02 pm

Does anyone know how old and how many cycles their 757s have? Given that a number of the cities they serve RON a/c 20+ hours a day, I'm curious how long they'll keep the 757 fleet around.
 
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:10 pm

NichCage wrote:
Also, what would Icelandair purchase to replace the 757 and 767?


If they wanted to stay close to size and range, the A321/NEO could easily be the 757 replacement. As far as the 767, they could go with the A332/NEO. Unless they want to stick to strickly Boeing, then they could just get new 767's, as they're still in production.
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:06 am

Just spit balling, how many of FIs cities would be out of range for a 737-7MAX?
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:32 am

NichCage wrote:
Also, what would Icelandair purchase to replace the 757 and 767?

flybynight wrote:
Airbus doesn't seem to have a better answer either for FI.

aviationjunky wrote:
As far as the 767, they could go with the A332/NEO.

They could do an AA and "consider" the A338. More fish..... :duck: :cheerful:
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Re: FI starting 767 to SEA?

Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:22 pm

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Just spit balling, how many of FIs cities would be out of range for a 737-7MAX?


This sums it up. http://www.icelandair.us/information/about-icelandair/our-fleet/

So SEA, for example needs to move closer LOL. So PDX, Anchorage, Vancouver, SEA, Orlando, Tampa Bay, Denver would be out. Not sure about Minneapolis.
But I thought the MAX was going to be aimed more towards Europe to feed the bigger planes coming from North America.

The problem that is still on the table, what will eventually replace the 757? I am putting my money on the 797, if the range is there. Or FI will have to look at bigger planes such as newer 767's or the 787-800.While the 787 has more capacity than the 767, I wonder if the greater efficiency of the plane would balance it out.
The 757-200 takes about 200 passengers versus a 788 taking on about 240. Can FI grow their volume enough? The 787 would allow SFO and LAX to come aboard. Hell, even Hawaii would suddenly become a route.
I see a lot of interesting possibilities with FI and the 787.
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