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Re: The Future of ISP

Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:38 pm

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ISP before deregulation had an AA B727 ISP-ORD 1x daily.
USAir Multiple daily flights to DCA/PIT/PHL/ALB/BOS

several years after deregulation almost if not every legacy carrier (or express partner) flew to ISP.
Piedmont to BWI and CLT, AA was huge with multiple daily service to ORD/RDU/BOS (RDU was a hub back then for AA) I don't think that they did DFW.

AA had a huge FF base and was able to attract business travelers as well.

I am NOT bashing WN as I like them. When WN came in and quickly ramped up to 40+ flights a day all the majors all pulled back or left entirely. WN even built the modern terminal you see today and WN was thriving. The big boys left because the ticket prices went too low and killed yield. They couldn't keep the business travelers when the service was so reduced.

With that being said... AA still has a large FF base and even more so after merging with US. I'm surprised that AA didn't increase service to ISP. Especially 2x daily ISP-ORD.with mainline and ISP-BOS ISP-DCA with Eagle. (DCA slots might be a reason)

UA doesn't have a large enough base on Long Island and even back in the day UA couldn't attract the passengers that AA could.

With Delta's build up in NY over the years I could see 2x daily to ATL.

ISP-BOS will work if there is frequency and on a jet. It will need an airline that the business travelers want. i.e. AA or DL. The props cancel too often in the winter and have uncomfortable rides when there is weather.


Back in the 90s my family and I were part of that FF Base for AA. We flew them out of ISP all the time while the RDU hub was operating.
Re Delta: Definitely could see ATL return. Frequency will depend on other factors.
Re BOS: I wonder if this could be jetBlue's big opportunity for ISP? I just thought of it. With F9 and WN already taking care of Florida, maybe B6 could take advantage of the lack of BOS service from ISP and throw in a a few E190s a day on ISP-BOS?
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:13 pm

evank516 wrote:
ADXMatt wrote:
Re BOS: I wonder if this could be jetBlue's big opportunity for ISP? I just thought of it. With F9 and WN already taking care of Florida, maybe B6 could take advantage of the lack of BOS service from ISP and throw in a a few E190s a day on ISP-BOS?


I can see Jetblue.. If they do come into ISP though; I can see them doing more then BOS Service:

What I see JetBlue doing over the years from ISP:
Boston - 2x Daily Service - E190
San Juan - 5x Weekly Service - A320
Fort Lauderdale - 1x Daily Service - A320
And some others :)
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:56 pm

Balloonchaser wrote:
evank516 wrote:
ADXMatt wrote:
Re BOS: I wonder if this could be jetBlue's big opportunity for ISP? I just thought of it. With F9 and WN already taking care of Florida, maybe B6 could take advantage of the lack of BOS service from ISP and throw in a a few E190s a day on ISP-BOS?


I can see Jetblue.. If they do come into ISP though; I can see them doing more then BOS Service:

What I see JetBlue doing over the years from ISP:
Boston - 2x Daily Service - E190
San Juan - 5x Weekly Service - A320
Fort Lauderdale - 1x Daily Service - A320
And some others :)


I always thought that ISP-SJU would do well for VFR and cruise passengers. But right now the timing is off until PR rebuilds.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:00 pm

evank516 wrote:

Back in the 90s my family and I were part of that FF Base for AA. We flew them out of ISP all the time while the RDU hub was operating.
Re Delta: Definitely could see ATL return.


Once upon a time, EA flew ATL-ISP in 1990. It would be great to see DL on that route.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:24 pm

The problem with JetBlue and the others who are entrenched at JFK or LGA is they don't want to cannibalize the traffic at those airports, having made major investments in NYC. While ISP is attractive to many business flyers, the major airlines don't want to dilute their larger stations. This is why the likes of NK or F9 choose ISP-it gives them more presence in the NY market without the high costs of the city airports.

I have some business friends who occasionally fly NK or F9, but the issue for me in addition to the unbundled fares, which are in many cases a ripoff, is the lack of a plan B if irregular ops happen. They provide no accommodation or other assistance, and if a flight is cancelled they usually don't have another seat available for days at a time. It's the addage, you get what you pay for, but leisure flyers don't care--until they get stuck.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:29 pm

Art at ISP wrote:
The problem with JetBlue and the others who are entrenched at JFK or LGA is they don't want to cannibalize the traffic at those airports, having made major investments in NYC. While ISP is attractive to many business flyers, the major airlines don't want to dilute their larger stations. This is why the likes of NK or F9 choose ISP-it gives them more presence in the NY market without the high costs of the city airports.


True, but especially Boston and Fort Lauderdale... I think it wouldn't hurt to add 2 flights a day from ISP :)
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:41 pm

Art at ISP wrote:
I have some business friends who occasionally fly NK or F9, but the issue for me in addition to the unbundled fares, which are in many cases a ripoff, is the lack of a plan B if irregular ops happen. They provide no accommodation or other assistance, and if a flight is cancelled they usually don't have another seat available for days at a time. It's the addage, you get what you pay for, but leisure flyers don't care--until they get stuck.


Smart fliers buy a bundled ticket - The Works - on Frontier, with no extra fees. Spirit may have something similar, I haven't checked.

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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:44 pm

Balloonchaser wrote:
Art at ISP wrote:
The problem with JetBlue and the others who are entrenched at JFK or LGA is they don't want to cannibalize the traffic at those airports, having made major investments in NYC. While ISP is attractive to many business flyers, the major airlines don't want to dilute their larger stations. This is why the likes of NK or F9 choose ISP-it gives them more presence in the NY market without the high costs of the city airports.


True, but especially Boston and Fort Lauderdale... I think it wouldn't hurt to add 2 flights a day from ISP :)

I'm not sure if ISP-BOS would work, unless there was another destination somewhere else in the U.S. that was served from ISP on jetBlue that people could connect to/from. A lot of airlines have tried ISP-BOS and most of them only last 3 years or less with that route. It couldn't rely on Long Island and Boston traffic, but if there was people connecting to get to/from Boston then it may work.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:57 pm

Art at ISP wrote:
The problem with JetBlue and the others who are entrenched at JFK or LGA is they don't want to cannibalize the traffic at those airports, having made major investments in NYC. While ISP is attractive to many business flyers, the major airlines don't want to dilute their larger stations. This is why the likes of NK or F9 choose ISP-it gives them more presence in the NY market without the high costs of the city airports.

I have some business friends who occasionally fly NK or F9, but the issue for me in addition to the unbundled fares, which are in many cases a ripoff, is the lack of a plan B if irregular ops happen. They provide no accommodation or other assistance, and if a flight is cancelled they usually don't have another seat available for days at a time. It's the addage, you get what you pay for, but leisure flyers don't care--until they get stuck.


I agree to a point, but then there's HPN, and then SWF. SWF has 2 out of the 3 legacies, plus jetBlue and now Norweigan. HPN has all of the legacies, plus jetBlue and Cape Air. HPN is closer to LGA than ISP is. SWF and ISP are about equidistant from NYC with ISP having better public transit access to the city over SWF. If HPN was a ghost town and SWF had almost nothing then I would agree even more. However JFK and LGA will hold their own and I'm highly confident that ISP can peacefully coexist with JFK and LGA. To tell me that Delta flying ISP-ATL would cannibalize JFK/LGA to ATL is just ridiculous, and I don't mean to sound rude when I say that. The legacies have duplicated service in hundreds of different areas of the country. Look at Florda where DL operates ATL-XXX at every airport that sees commercial service from a major carrier. You have DAB/MLB and MCO. MCO and TPA, PBI, FLL, and MIA. TPA, SRQ, and RSW. PNS, VPS, and ECP. The list goes on. DL operates at both Houston Airports, both Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex airports, both Chicago Airports, all SF Bay Area Airports, all Los Angeles Basin Airports (major and secondary). DL is the only airline to serve all three airports in the Southern Tier of NY. To say that DL is afraid of cannibalizing it's JFK and LGA service so it doesn't fly to ISP just isn't justifiable when DL makes their presence known at pretty much every airport possible in a Major Metropolitan Area.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:38 am

Is this Southwest's time to open crazy in the Caribbean? With a bunch of airlines reducing frequencies.. Southwest could be the monopoly of the Caribbean..

Thoughts?
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:59 pm

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Is this Southwest's time to open crazy in the Caribbean? With a bunch of airlines reducing frequencies.. Southwest could be the monopoly of the Caribbean..

Thoughts?


The only service you can have to the Caribbean from ISP is Puerto Rico and any location with US Pre-Clearance facilities right now. None of the gates at ISP are equipped with Customs and Border Protection for international flights.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:17 am

evank516 wrote:
Balloonchaser wrote:
Is this Southwest's time to open crazy in the Caribbean? With a bunch of airlines reducing frequencies.. Southwest could be the monopoly of the Caribbean..

Thoughts?


The only service you can have to the Caribbean from ISP is Puerto Rico and any location with US Pre-Clearance facilities right now. None of the gates at ISP are equipped with Customs and Border Protection for international flights.

Yeah... But as time increases (2019) we will get customs at KISP! :)
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:53 am

I've been monitoring FlightAware and FR24's scheduled arrivals for ISP for any signs of the MAX making it's first appearance here.... None yet :/
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:29 pm

Balloonchaser wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Balloonchaser wrote:
Is this Southwest's time to open crazy in the Caribbean? With a bunch of airlines reducing frequencies.. Southwest could be the monopoly of the Caribbean..

Thoughts?


The only service you can have to the Caribbean from ISP is Puerto Rico and any location with US Pre-Clearance facilities right now. None of the gates at ISP are equipped with Customs and Border Protection for international flights.

Yeah... But as time increases (2019) we will get customs at KISP! :)


But the question is whether or not the terminal will have at least one gate equipped to process inbound passengers from an international destination. Many airports have Customs and Border Protection on site, but may not be equipped to handle a scheduled flight in their terminal.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:47 pm

Are Aer Lingus's A321's transatlantic capable? If so, I wouldn't be surprised to see Dublin-ISP nonstop, maybe 3-4x weekly.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:36 pm

Art at ISP wrote:
The problem with JetBlue and the others who are entrenched at JFK or LGA is they don't want to cannibalize the traffic at those airports, having made major investments in NYC. While ISP is attractive to many business flyers, the major airlines don't want to dilute their larger stations. This is why the likes of NK or F9 choose ISP-it gives them more presence in the NY market without the high costs of the city airports.

I have some business friends who occasionally fly NK or F9, but the issue for me in addition to the unbundled fares, which are in many cases a ripoff, is the lack of a plan B if irregular ops happen. They provide no accommodation or other assistance, and if a flight is cancelled they usually don't have another seat available for days at a time. It's the addage, you get what you pay for, but leisure flyers don't care--until they get stuck.


I would think even if some or one of those carriers entrenched at JFK and LGA would start service to ISP, they would siphon off customers from carriers who would not come to ISP. Say AA began service to CLT, would that attract DL customers looking for an easier time and a closer airport? Many travelers are enrolled in several FF programs so that factor is not a major one. If a new carrier used regional aircraft, that would help to keep costs down and yields up compared to mainline service.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:51 pm

So I’ve heard from an official source that Frontier is doing amazing here so far. Selling out 230 seat A321’s!
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:54 pm

cheapgreek wrote:
Art at ISP wrote:
The problem with JetBlue and the others who are entrenched at JFK or LGA is they don't want to cannibalize the traffic at those airports, having made major investments in NYC. While ISP is attractive to many business flyers, the major airlines don't want to dilute their larger stations. This is why the likes of NK or F9 choose ISP-it gives them more presence in the NY market without the high costs of the city airports.

I have some business friends who occasionally fly NK or F9, but the issue for me in addition to the unbundled fares, which are in many cases a ripoff, is the lack of a plan B if irregular ops happen. They provide no accommodation or other assistance, and if a flight is cancelled they usually don't have another seat available for days at a time. It's the addage, you get what you pay for, but leisure flyers don't care--until they get stuck.


I would think even if some or one of those carriers entrenched at JFK and LGA would start service to ISP, they would siphon off customers from carriers who would not come to ISP. Say AA began service to CLT, would that attract DL customers looking for an easier time and a closer airport? Many travelers are enrolled in several FF programs so that factor is not a major one. If a new carrier used regional aircraft, that would help to keep costs down and yields up compared to mainline service.


As a onetime resident of Suffolk County for 20 years (hence the 11725flyer), I would take DL, UA, or AA flights out of ISP in a heartbeat.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:25 pm

It seems like Southwest’s operations at ISP are re-bounding from 5-6 years ago. Most of their flights were only going out 60-70% full, they kept cutting flights, and a lot of people including me were very worried that they would leave ISP.

Now, most Southwest flights at ISP are 90-100% full, and the last few times I flew them ISP-FLL and back the flights were full except for 1-2 open seats. Some people who work for Southwest at ISP tell me that they’re making great money there. They’ve added back more flights which is definitely a good thing!
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:02 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
It seems like Southwest’s operations at ISP are re-bounding from 5-6 years ago. Most of their flights were only going out 60-70% full, they kept cutting flights, and a lot of people including me were very worried that they would leave ISP.

Now, most Southwest flights at ISP are 90-100% full, and the last few times I flew them ISP-FLL and back the flights were full except for 1-2 open seats. Some people who work for Southwest at ISP tell me that they’re making great money there. They’ve added back more flights which is definitely a good thing!


That's good! I personally never worried about WN pulling out of ISP, as doing so would be a rare event for the airline itself with the exception of ex-FL destinations. They don't really make a habit of it. Neither does jetBlue really, and they've returned to a couple of markets that they ended. That's for a different thread since we don't have B6 at ISP.

Anyway, adding back more flights is a good sign. I'm wondering if MDW may return at some point with F9 starting ISP-ORD. Hmmmmm.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:21 pm

It's been confirmed that Frontier will not be doing ISP-CLT service. Anyone know a reason why? It was supposed to be a big hit... so many people here were so excited about it!
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:13 am

I’m going to be honest… at this point I don’t think Southwest even cares about ISP anymore. They haven’t added any new flights/destinations for YEARS. (But a plus is that they haven’t cut any flights for 6 years now) Probably the only reason they stay is that their get their own terminal rent-free, and almost all of their flights go out full.
Meanwhile, they are constantly building up their presence at LGA, and it seems like the more they build up at LGA the more they seem to care less about ISP.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:40 pm

I take back what I said above this post.. with WN's schedule extension coming up, would anyone else see an ISP-STL 1x daily coming? With WN beefing up STL (already has 40 destinations), and they're slowly but steadily increasing ISP service, it wouldn't surprise me.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:06 pm

I doubt it. MDW doesn't even have ISP flights anymore.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:42 pm

I think Southwest will respond to Frontier's big expansion at KISP.
ISP Predicted Frequencies:
BWI - 6x (+1)
MCO - 3x (-)
FLL - 2x (-)
PBI - 2x (-)
TPA - 1x (-)
DEN - 1x (+1)
ATL - 1x (+1)
MDW - 2x (+2)
MCI - 1x (+1)
BNA - 5 times weekly

I can see LAX and LAS though aswell (In regards to Hawaiian Flights) - Direct from KISP to the west would be best.


What do you think they will do with KISP??
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:39 am

PHX 1x / Daily, 2x Daily in Winter

Haha, that would be good for me.

I would see, if the NIMBY's don't squeal, decent traffic to key business centers in the midwest: ORD / MDW and northeast BOS / DCA; leisure traffic to Florida, Las Vegas.

With International, I can see YYZ and perhaps seasonal to key spots in the Caribbean and Mexico. Maybe LCC to Europe, but the transit from the train to the terminal has to be frequent and step free.
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:51 pm

Has anyone heard anything further on updates?!? I have seen alot of Sun Country planes coming in.. Are they charter or are they scheduled service?!?!

The Southwest Schedule Extension is in 5 days and im curious how it will effect KISP..
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:32 am

Top 10 List of requested destinations from May 24-Now from LIMA's Facebook -

KMYR - Myrtle Beach - 68
KLAS - Las Vegas - 42
KDEN - Denver - 38
KORD - Chicago - 36
KILM - Wilmington - 35
KCLT - Charlotte - 30
TJSJ - San Juan - 27
KRDU - Raleigh Durham-25
KDFW - Dallas - 17
KATL - Atlanta - 16

Airlines Requested-
JetBlue - 62
More American - 47
More Southwest - 32
More Frontier - 25
Spirit - 14
Elite - 10
Delta - 8
National - 7
Aer Lingus - 7
Norwegian -6
United - 6
Ryan Air - 5
Allegiant - 2
Virgin America - 2
Caribbean Air - 1

If you guys would like the full list of destinations requested feel free to ask (via PM)

The goal is to serve all of these destinations in the near future.

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What do you think about this?!?
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:04 am

Well.. nothing got added in the Southwest Expansion (Except an extra TPA flight)

Has anyone heard about anything to do with American at ISP? I heard rumors about 2018 DCA and CLT service but would like to hear more about what you guys have heard.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:49 am

Anyone heard anything lately?!?

Apparently service to MYR is to be announced in the next month to start in April-June and go year round. Unknown airline,

We are still on the lookout for AA Flights to DCA and CLT
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:28 pm

Bummer that CLT will not start on F9. But glad to hear MYR will be announced. Do you think F9 just replaced CLT with MYR?
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:46 pm

Balloonchaser wrote:
Anyone heard anything lately?!?

Apparently service to MYR is to be announced in the next month to start in April-June and go year round. Unknown airline,

We are still on the lookout for AA Flights to DCA and CLT

Since Frontier and Southwest don't serve MYR, I assume the service will be on either Spirit or Allegiant.
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:20 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
Balloonchaser wrote:
Anyone heard anything lately?!?

Apparently service to MYR is to be announced in the next month to start in April-June and go year round. Unknown airline,

We are still on the lookout for AA Flights to DCA and CLT

Since Frontier and Southwest don't serve MYR, I assume the service will be on either Spirit or Allegiant.


Spirit and Allegiant though don't serve ISP so it's hard to rule out Frontier (just because it doesn't currently serve MYR). Now, if Frontier finally considered MYR, I think it could offer it from PVD, ISP and TTN to make it worthwhile the effort to open at MYR. Spirit makes it work, just look at LBE, PIT, CAK and CLE, where it's still relative new and Spirit has loaded a lot of MYR capacity in a region less populated than the Northeast. Frontier is nearly identical to Spirit in it's business model, so it should have positive results making MYR work from a few stations in the Northeast. However, I still think Allegiant is more likely to run ISP-MYR as Frontier has avoided MYR for years. It recently added CHS as a new station, over it as well. Time will tell though.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:21 pm

phluser wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Balloonchaser wrote:
Anyone heard anything lately?!?

Apparently service to MYR is to be announced in the next month to start in April-June and go year round. Unknown airline,

We are still on the lookout for AA Flights to DCA and CLT

Since Frontier and Southwest don't serve MYR, I assume the service will be on either Spirit or Allegiant.


Spirit and Allegiant though don't serve ISP so it's hard to rule out Frontier (just because it doesn't currently serve MYR). Now, if Frontier finally considered MYR, I think it could offer it from PVD, ISP and TTN to make it worthwhile the effort to open at MYR. Spirit makes it work, just look at LBE, PIT, CAK and CLE, where it's still relative new and Spirit has loaded a lot of MYR capacity in a region less populated than the Northeast. Frontier is nearly identical to Spirit in it's business model, so it should have positive results making MYR work from a few stations in the Northeast. However, I still think Allegiant is more likely to run ISP-MYR as Frontier has avoided MYR for years. It recently added CHS as a new station, over it as well. Time will tell though.


It could potentially be American... But I doubt that (The markets there (MYR is the top market for ISP) so im assuming an outside airline or Spirit. (Myrtle Beach wants to expand to over 20 new destinations.. So Frontier could definitely come in there and dominate)
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:24 pm

sspontak wrote:
Bummer that CLT will not start on F9. But glad to hear MYR will be announced. Do you think F9 just replaced CLT with MYR?


There is still the possibility of it (In Frontier's next ISP Expansion (DEN, LAS, COS, CLE, AUS) just to name a few possibilities) but im thinking CLT will be served by American.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:00 am

One extra advantage ISP has is the proximity to the Hamptons, in Summer, when going to ISP saves at least an hour over going to LGA or JFK.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:12 am

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One extra advantage ISP has is the proximity to the Hamptons, in Summer, when going to ISP saves at least an hour over going to LGA or JFK.

Odds are if you're going to the Hamptons, you're parking at a different part of the airport.
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Re: The Future of ISP

Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:03 pm

Curiousflyer wrote:
One extra advantage ISP has is the proximity to the Hamptons, in Summer, when going to ISP saves at least an hour over going to LGA or JFK.


Hmmmm.

I have no access to the airline's data, but watching the fares out of ISP the past few weeks, PBI seems to be doing quite well and PBI is more up-market than much of Florida. The fares TTN-PBI are pretty good, too, whereas PHL-PBI not quite so much.

It's completely anecdotal - observational - it may all be different in reality or maybe it will all change once we get into post-Christmas traffic, but it's interesting that a ULCC airline is doing quite well - apparently - on a route that I would have thought was not ULCC.

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Re: The Future of ISP

Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:09 pm

mariner wrote:
Curiousflyer wrote:
One extra advantage ISP has is the proximity to the Hamptons, in Summer, when going to ISP saves at least an hour over going to LGA or JFK.


Hmmmm.

I have no access to the airline's data, but watching the fares out of ISP the past few weeks, PBI seems to be doing quite well and PBI is more up-market than much of Florida. The fares TTN-PBI are pretty good, too, whereas PHL-PBI not quite so much.

It's completely anecdotal - observational - it may all be different in reality or maybe it will all change once we get into post-Christmas traffic, but it's interesting that a ULCC airline is doing quite well - apparently - on a route that I would have thought was not ULCC.

mariner


A lot of locals in the NYC area and NJ, and this is typically many Jewish families, have second homes and family/friends in the PBI area. So the route is likely frequented by a repeat passengers, and thus the route can perform well.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:45 pm

Seems like given the huge demand in this market of Long Island to Florida and slot restrictions at JFK, b6 should add some flights isp to pbi fll mco.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:34 pm

Balloonchaser wrote:

There is still the possibility of it (In Frontier's next ISP Expansion (DEN, LAS, COS, CLE, AUS) just to name a few possibilities) but im thinking CLT will be served by American.


My thinking on what you say about nonstop routes out of ISP on Frontier
MYR: Likely
DEN: Good chance
LAS: Possible/good chance?
CLE: Possible
AUS: Not likely
COS: Not likely
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:56 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
Balloonchaser wrote:

There is still the possibility of it (In Frontier's next ISP Expansion (DEN, LAS, COS, CLE, AUS) just to name a few possibilities) but im thinking CLT will be served by American.


My thinking on what you say about nonstop routes out of ISP on Frontier
MYR: Likely
DEN: Good chance
LAS: Possible/good chance?
CLE: Possible
AUS: Not likely
COS: Not likely


Can you state all of the airports that FFT would have a “Likely or Good Chance” from Islip?
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:08 am

Balloonchaser wrote:
WNflyer1523 wrote:
Balloonchaser wrote:

There is still the possibility of it (In Frontier's next ISP Expansion (DEN, LAS, COS, CLE, AUS) just to name a few possibilities) but im thinking CLT will be served by American.


My thinking on what you say about nonstop routes out of ISP on Frontier
MYR: Likely
DEN: Good chance
LAS: Possible/good chance?
CLE: Possible
AUS: Not likely
COS: Not likely


Can you state all of the airports that FFT would have a “Likely or Good Chance” from Islip?

MYR, DEN, LAS (?) is all that would be likely or good chance IMO.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:18 am

For MYR, I could see 1x daily from late May-2nd/3rd week of September on an A319. For the rest of the year, I'd go with 3x weekly, possibly 2x weekly in winter.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:32 am

tphuang wrote:
Seems like given the huge demand in this market of Long Island to Florida and slot restrictions at JFK, b6 should add some flights isp to pbi fll mco.


Totally agree. As a former resident of Suffolk County, I used to travel to LGA and JFK for those nonstops. I think B6 flights from ISP to Florida would be a winner.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:00 am

I agree with that.. But the issue is that JetBlue refuses to join into the ISP market currently. ISP won’t give them what they wanted (I believe a bunch of gates (Southwest won’t give up its gates to JetBlue)

So until ISP expands... No JetBlue. (But ISP will be expanded or else they will fill up by 2019 on flights (No room for expansion)
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:50 am

Balloonchaser wrote:
(But ISP will be expanded or else they will fill up by 2019 on flights (No room for expansion)

How'd you come up with this?
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:01 am

airliner371 wrote:
Balloonchaser wrote:
(But ISP will be expanded or else they will fill up by 2019 on flights (No room for expansion)

How'd you come up with this?

The plan that they posted has intentions of expanding in the near future. But currently they could probably handle another 10-20 Flights daily (let’s say that Spirit, Norwegian, and some smaller airline (ViaAir) came in with (Spirit- LAS, CLE, MYR, and 2 Florida airports, Norwegian- BGO, EDI, SNN, DUB, ORK, and FDF, and the other airline- BOS, BUF, CLT, ORF, and CMH). Let’s also say that Frontier expands to AUS, LAS, DEN, and RDU and Southwest expands to SJU, BNA, and MDW.
With American expanding to CLT, and DCA...

There’s your end of the expansion if they don’t extend.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:15 am

Balloonchaser wrote:
airliner371 wrote:
Balloonchaser wrote:
(But ISP will be expanded or else they will fill up by 2019 on flights (No room for expansion)

How'd you come up with this?

The plan that they posted has intentions of expanding in the near future. But currently they could probably handle another 10-20 Flights daily (let’s say that Spirit, Norwegian, and some smaller airline (ViaAir) came in with (Spirit- LAS, CLE, MYR, and 2 Florida airports, Norwegian- BGO, EDI, SNN, DUB, ORK, and FDF, and the other airline- BOS, BUF, CLT, ORF, and CMH). Let’s also say that Frontier expands to AUS, LAS, DEN, and RDU and Southwest expands to SJU, BNA, and MDW.
With American expanding to CLT, and DCA...

There’s your end of the expansion if they don’t extend.

So you're basing the need for ISP to expand TODAY entirely on rumors, as some eight gates consistently sit idle and barely used? That's a good way to discourage expansion through increasing costs.
 
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Re: The Future of ISP

Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:31 pm

Just noticed on the OAG changes thread, PHL-ISP goes from 3 to 2 in March. That can be interpreted in one of a few ways-AA getting ready to pull out, or making room for a flight to another city from ISP...... me personally I think it's a bad move, but I don't know how AA is doing in light of the F9 invasion.
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