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YTM to US

Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:09 pm

Does anyone know if there have ever been direct flights from the US to YTM? I am thinking a seasonal 2x weekly from New York City or Boston may sell.

Today, Porter could possibly do the flight from EWR or Jet Blue from JFK (code share with Porter). There would be New York City originating traffic and catchment for connections.
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Re: YTM to US

Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:17 pm

^^^
Is what is showing as the opening post of this thread actually in reply what is showing as the first reply? Strange...

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Re: YTM to US

Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:29 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
^^^
Is what is showing as the opening post of this thread actually in reply what is showing as the first reply? Strange...

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Not sure how that happened! Very weird.

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CO flew EWRYTM for a couple years before the UA merger. IINM, PD did the same afterward for awhile.

Because some sort of goofy error happened here (your post appeared before the OP), I'm going to remove your comment just for formatting purposes. Your comment will still be visible in this post. Unfortunately I don't have a way of rearranging the order of posts in the thread.
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Re: YTM to US

Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:04 am

mia wrote:
Porter could possibly do the flight from EWR

They used to fly it weekly. This was one season probably five or six years ago when Porter's YTM program was at its peak.

An EWR-YTZ flight was dropped in favour of a EWR-YTM on Thursdays, around 1000. On arrival at YTM the aircraft then operated to YTZ (probably via YUL). On Sunday, one of the YTM departures would be to EWR. At EWR the aircraft then operated a scheduled EWR-YTZ.

It never returned the following season, presumably a combination of weak traffic and expired incentives.
 
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Re: YTM to US

Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:12 am

aamd11 wrote:
mia wrote:
Porter could possibly do the flight from EWR

They used to fly it weekly. This was one season probably five or six years ago when Porter's YTM program was at its peak.

An EWR-YTZ flight was dropped in favour of a EWR-YTM on Thursdays, around 1000. On arrival at YTM the aircraft then operated to YTZ (probably via YUL). On Sunday, one of the YTM departures would be to EWR. At EWR the aircraft then operated a scheduled EWR-YTZ.

It never returned the following season, presumably a combination of weak traffic and expired incentives.


I tired once to do a dummy booking just to see how many flights went into YTM from YTZ. I couldn't find anything. Is the service season really short or what?
 
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Re: YTM to US

Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:14 am

Recently one airline cut service to Ottawa due to low loads. Why would a route to an area, with low population, about half way between Montreal & Ottawa and farther north work? Whats there to attract enough passengers that the Capital could not?
 
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Re: YTM to US

Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:11 am

rbavfan wrote:
Recently one airline cut service to Ottawa due to low loads. Why would a route to an area, with low population, about half way between Montreal & Ottawa and farther north work? Whats there to attract enough passengers that the Capital could not?


Mont Tremblant is a popular vacation town. PD was marketing to the "weekend getaway" crowd in Toronto.
 
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Re: YTM to US

Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:27 am

wrongwayup wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
Recently one airline cut service to Ottawa due to low loads. Why would a route to an area, with low population, about half way between Montreal & Ottawa and farther north work? Whats there to attract enough passengers that the Capital could not?


Mont Tremblant is a popular vacation town. PD was marketing to the "weekend getaway" crowd in Toronto.


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Re: YTM to US

Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:57 pm

rbavfan wrote:
Recently one airline cut service to Ottawa due to low loads. Why would a route to an area, with low population, about half way between Montreal & Ottawa and farther north work? Whats there to attract enough passengers that the Capital could not?


YTM serves Mont Tremblant, the Whistler of Eastern Canada, hence the seasonal winter service. YTM's actually 40km closer to YUL than it is to YOW.

What route out of Ottawa was cut recently (not counting winter sun destinations)? The last one I can think of was AC cut YOW-YYT from year-round to seasonal last year...unless you want to count AC shifting YOW-NYC from LGA to EWR earlier this year.

In fact, YOW for the first time in eons has actually gained some new routes. DL to LGA at the same time as when AC switched to EWR, and starting today YFC on PD and next week YSJ on PD, which is also a brand-new destination for YOW.

For a couple of winters, a couple of the weekly YTZ-YTM flights stopped at YOW...can't remember if it was like that last winter or whether that will happen again this winter. Though not advertised, you could actually buy a YOW-YTM ticket. One-way, taxes-in was only like $79.
 
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Re: YTM to US

Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:01 pm

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^^^
Is what is showing as the opening post of this thread actually in reply what is showing as the first reply? Strange...

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I have seen, on several occasions here and there, replies showing up as the first post of a thread, with the actual thread starter underneath it. I sometimes wonder if it is due to some peculiarities with how internal timestamps are generated.
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Re: YTM to US

Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:48 pm

Continental used to fly E-145's from EWR to YTM during the winter ski season. I'm not sure if they still do.
I was at Tremblant last week and it was quite crowded-mostly Canadians though.
 
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Re: YTM to US

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:06 pm

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Continental used to fly E-145's from EWR to YTM during the winter ski season. I'm not sure if they still do.
I was at Tremblant last week and it was quite crowded-mostly Canadians though.


Oh yeah I remember that. It lasted a couple of winters. Long gone though...not surprising given how many Canadian airports the US3 have pulled out of in the past 5 years.
 
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Re: YTM to US

Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:39 am

AAvgeek744 wrote:
aamd11 wrote:
mia wrote:
Porter could possibly do the flight from EWR

They used to fly it weekly. This was one season probably five or six years ago when Porter's YTM program was at its peak.

An EWR-YTZ flight was dropped in favour of a EWR-YTM on Thursdays, around 1000. On arrival at YTM the aircraft then operated to YTZ (probably via YUL). On Sunday, one of the YTM departures would be to EWR. At EWR the aircraft then operated a scheduled EWR-YTZ.

It never returned the following season, presumably a combination of weak traffic and expired incentives.


I tired once to do a dummy booking just to see how many flights went into YTM from YTZ. I couldn't find anything. Is the service season really short or what?

Winter generally runs mid-December to early April. Usually around four days per week, with more frequencies added during the deepest winter periods (Feb/Mar). Total service is maybe about 8x weekly these days (once upon a time it was 13 or so).

Summer service is twice weekly, last week of June until Labour Day.
 
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Re: YTM to US

Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:30 pm

aamd11 wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
aamd11 wrote:
They used to fly it weekly. This was one season probably five or six years ago when Porter's YTM program was at its peak.

An EWR-YTZ flight was dropped in favour of a EWR-YTM on Thursdays, around 1000. On arrival at YTM the aircraft then operated to YTZ (probably via YUL). On Sunday, one of the YTM departures would be to EWR. At EWR the aircraft then operated a scheduled EWR-YTZ.

It never returned the following season, presumably a combination of weak traffic and expired incentives.


I tired once to do a dummy booking just to see how many flights went into YTM from YTZ. I couldn't find anything. Is the service season really short or what?

Winter generally runs mid-December to early April. Usually around four days per week, with more frequencies added during the deepest winter periods (Feb/Mar). Total service is maybe about 8x weekly these days (once upon a time it was 13 or so).

Summer service is twice weekly, last week of June until Labour Day.


Thanks. I figured the service was limited, I obviously just didn't try the right day or time.
 
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Re: YTM to US

Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:19 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
Recently one airline cut service to Ottawa due to low loads. Why would a route to an area, with low population, about half way between Montreal & Ottawa and farther north work? Whats there to attract enough passengers that the Capital could not?


YTM serves Mont Tremblant, the Whistler of Eastern Canada, hence the seasonal winter service.


That is a very, very generous description of Mont Tremblant. In ski lift capacity and skiable terrain, Tremblant is a small fraction of Whistler-Blackcomb. As a an international destination ski resort? Hah ha ha!!
 
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Re: YTM to US

Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:53 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
Recently one airline cut service to Ottawa due to low loads. Why would a route to an area, with low population, about half way between Montreal & Ottawa and farther north work? Whats there to attract enough passengers that the Capital could not?


YTM serves Mont Tremblant, the Whistler of Eastern Canada, hence the seasonal winter service.


That is a very, very generous description of Mont Tremblant. In ski lift capacity and skiable terrain, Tremblant is a small fraction of Whistler-Blackcomb. As a an international destination ski resort? Hah ha ha!!


I think you took my words a little too well literally. Tremblant is owned by the same company that owned & operated Whistler Blackomb until a couple of years ago. The description I provided rings true. Tremblant is the biggest ski resort in Eastern Canada and the closest equivalent to what's in BC.

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