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Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:07 am

Another tragedy for Air Berlin passengers as most of their pilots gone on strike because the management board suspended the transfer of 1200 pilots to one of the bidders.

For me sounds like another proof that the buyer is known already since long time. Now looks like something disturbing the process.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:11 am

Time to pull the AOC and kill AB off.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:12 am

I don't think it is realistic for the pilots to demand from the airline board to guarantee jobs when the company is subject to insolvency law proceedings. Just as much as the company is unable to act as they please with regard to, say, contracts of carriage with customers entered before Aug. 15, the same applies to contracts of employment.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:33 am

The action of the pilots doing even more harm to air Berlin. Latest now, there will be little or no more new bookings.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:54 am

I don`t understand this. I just thought maybe I can book AB again for my business and holiday flights which I did a lot in the past because the government`s backing gave some sorts of guarantee I will not waste my money booking AB.

Now it`s clear that the pilots decided to kill AB 100% and no backing from anybody will prevent AB from getting killed by the pilots.

What benefit do they pilots get out of making shure AB is totally dead? Are they still bound to contracts or something like that and finishing off their employer will grant them a better/faster transfer to a new employer?
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:01 am

vfw614 wrote:
I don't think it is realistic for the pilots to demand from the airline board to guarantee jobs when the company is subject to insolvency law proceedings. Just as much as the company is unable to act as they please with regard to, say, contracts of carriage with customers entered before Aug. 15, the same applies to contracts of employment.


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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:01 am

Not really a smart move by the pilots. If they think that they can live on insolvency severance pay, OK. But under the conditions they have to work now, they should Keep the bride attractive. Instead they demolish what is left with a sledge hammer.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:06 am

People only think of themselves when things go wrong.

This could only accelerate the collapse of Air Berlin.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:22 am

Well in reality they were only going to be flying until the end of october at best and now it looks like that demise may come sooner.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:25 am

This smells the accelerated or even immitment collapse of AB.

It would be a sad day for aviation, fans and Oneworld alliance. Yet another oneWorld member gone under.

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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:27 am

The sick-out includes pilos who fly aircraft leased out to EUW and 4U, at least they have a paying Job. But they want to Keep the old LTU and AB pay which is not realistic. Obviously the talks broke down on that. Realistic is that they accept the EUW tarrif or hire in such beautiful countries like Qatar.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:32 am

Not only accelerate, but totally destroy the remaining value of the business. Same thing happened not so long ago with TuiFly. Basically they should question every single sick leave notice and put an investigation for fraud against these pilots. Any airline to take over these kind of staff should be aware that they inviting future problems.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:51 am

What an absolute bunch of xxxxxxxxx they are. I just read that it is nearly all Captains that are "sick". The highest paid group in the Airline outside of department heads. Air Berlin was gone anyway, but this group of 200 people have probably now sent 8000 colleagues to the Arbeitsamt rather than having a chance to be integrated in to a different operator. The worst is that I heard last year that we lost a lot of crews to Eurowings in CGN because they pay more than Air Berlin new contracts. I can only imagine this a big group of former LTU people not happy about the long haul cuts, but what the hell can Air Berlin do when Aercap pulls the plug on ten A330 leases ? It must be really nice to be a former LTU Captain knowing that you have probably just shafted ALL your colleagues. Disgusting behavior......
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:54 am

It looks as if the decision to curtail the long-haul fleet at the end of September is the reason for today's strike. Rumour has it that airberlin wants to get rid of rather expensive LTU-era long-haul staff to make the core business leaner and more attractive for a buyer. The end of most long-haul ops would give airberlin the opportunity to make those expensive staff members redundant before a sale of the company. It is alleged that AerCap did not really force the return of those 10 A330-200, but co-operated on that matter at airberlin's request (which could explain why AerCap has not recalled all 12 A330s).
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:18 am

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Rumour has it that airberlin wants to get rid of rather expensive LTU-era long-haul staff to make the core business leaner and more attractive for a buyer.


It is a PITA to get rid of such longtime employees here. Forget to do it on short notice. Expensive.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:24 am

WIederling wrote:
vfw614 wrote:
Rumour has it that airberlin wants to get rid of rather expensive LTU-era long-haul staff to make the core business leaner and more attractive for a buyer.


It is a PITA to get rid of such longtime employees here. Forget to do it on short notice. Expensive.


Is that still the case when an airline is in bankruptcy proceedings ? You'd think the company would have some additional flexibility to get rid of some employees in a faster way.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:48 am

AB will cease to exist, they expire and with it all contracts. The former LTU pilots can Frame their contracts and build a shrine and worship the good old days. They were part of the many probkems that brought AB finally down.

They made a great step forward today from walking on the edge of th cliff. No buyer will honor pay old contracts and they can be glad when pensions are covered by Independent funds. It will be interesting to see which bidders drop out before the Deadline.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:55 am

IF they had been moved over to a new company flying the same Aircraft on the same routes they would have kept their LTU contracts for one year which would have given them time to find somewhere better paid. Now they will get nothing. Aside from that, when a company is insolvent you cannot just Kundigung (termination of contract) a specific group on a specific contract. It would have to be everyone, and with this action it probably will be.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:56 am

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Is that still the case when an airline is in bankruptcy proceedings ? You'd think the company would have some additional flexibility to get rid of some employees in a faster way.


No. ( afaik ) bankruptcy proceedings are there to protect others and not the bankrupt entity.
Interesting ordering of rank: pensions and health care have precedence.

If the company folds all employment terminates. obviously.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:56 am

It will be interesting to see who is taking over the troublemaker pilots. Even if they in the end forced to take another contract with obviously less favourable conditions, troublemakers will stay troublemakers and the worst is that their mindset can be transfered to other employees.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:00 am

Exactly, and it would be pretty easy (although definitely illegal) to supply any company looking at taking over a group of employees (read Eurowings here) with a list of sickness levels over the past number of years.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:02 am

Today's strike is apparently about the refusal of airberlin to sign a social-compensation plan that would have predetermined criteria for later redundancies etc.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:16 am

As it seems now, the buyers won't take over the employees directly, but force them to reapply. Especially the people with the most generous contracts (read old LTU) are unhappy about it. As is written by the media, the walk-out of 200 pilots (out of 1500 total pilots) mainly represents captains (i.e. the people with the oldest contracts).

This also explains why relatively many flights are cancelled, despite a walk-out by a minority.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:29 am

Today's strike is also about cancellation of few long haul flights to Caribbean. All flights to Caribbean will be stopped as of September 24th or 25th.
Refunds for all tickets bought before August 15th will NOT be issued. The airline is stealing money from people and some of you say that the pilots are bad? The airline management is POS who took millions of $$$. What happened with $12 Billion over the last 5 years that were invested in the airline?
The management should be held responsible for the demise of Air Berlin.

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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:53 am

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Another tragedy for Air Berlin passengers as most of their pilots gone on strike because the management board suspended the transfer of 1200 pilots to one of the bidders.

For me sounds like another proof that the buyer is known already since long time. Now looks like something disturbing the process.


Don't blame the Management, The company is insolvent and all Management decisions Need approval by the appointed Administrator.
The AB employees have seen all that coming and no one can be surprised that old contracts will not be honored, simply because the Company does not exist any longer.

LH does not Need to do anything, except to be ready, able and willing. They are ready bacuse they are prepared, they are able because they have the cash buttt they cannot be willing to accept fata morgans.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:14 am

Refunds for all tickets bought before August 15th will NOT be issued. The airline is stealing money from people and some of you say that the pilots are bad? The airline management is POS who took millions of $$$.


You need to familiarize yourself with the basic principles of insolvency law.

Passengers with tickets bought before the insolvency filing on Aug 15 are like any other creditor of the airline, i.e. anybody who has entered into a contract with airberlin that has yet to be performed. There is nothing sinister about it. If any other airline went bancrupt, it would be the same. With any partner you enter into a contract you face the risk of his or her insolvency if you part with your money before the return service has been rendered.

Only stupid people would still buy tickets on this airline knowing that they are dead already.


Quite to the contrary. Any new contracts entered into after Aug 15th are in a different pecking-order creditor-wise.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:15 am

PanHAM: The media articles I read this morning suggested that behind doors a transfer of all pilots was planned, even though officially the buyer was not determined yet. The only reason this came to light is that the receiving company doesnt want to pay so much for the captains. So now I ask you, how you would describe such action that the management of Air Berlin is transfering most important assets (captains) out, before the official bidding process is over ? What is left afterwards if all the captains having new agreements with Eurowings ? Right, Air Berlin cant exist any longer then, doesnt matter how much other interested parties may be willing to pay to take over entire Air Berlin. Of course officially the pilots are not an asset of the company, because everybody is free to renegotiate a new working agreement and leave, but collective view on this enforce the feeling that management of Air Berlin is actively managing and engaged in these actions.
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:51 am

@Delta777jet - again, there is no more and there won't be an Air Berlin. Under receivership, all Management decisios must be approved by the appointed Administrators. Most definately, the AB Management could not "Transfer assets" to other companies. That would be fraud , simple as that. That potential b, is normal. uyers are preparing for the fact that their bids are accepted. This could mean that contracts are prepared but signedd ony after the bidding procedure is completed.

The pilots today have knowingly or not, acted stupidly and cetainly have damaged the prospects of their collegues.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:08 pm

dcaviation wrote:
All flights to Caribbean will be stopped as of September 24th or 25th.
Refunds for all tickets bought before August 15th will NOT be issued.


From a consumer point of view, this is an absolute shame.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:10 pm

If I was a recruiter, this would not encourage me to select ex AB pilots.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:16 pm

dcaviation wrote:
Today's strike is also about cancellation of few long haul flights to Caribbean. All flights to Caribbean will be stopped as of September 24th or 25th.


The lessor has reclaimed its A330s. Can't fly without aircraft.

Soon Air Berlin will be left without any aircraft.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:28 pm

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People only think of themselves when things go wrong.

Absolutely. The investors want an intact operation delivered to them complete with pilots (on better contracts), aircraft (on better leases), air traffic rights, landing slots, terminals, etc and yet don't think they need to take the worker's rights into account.

All along the right thing to do is to bring it all down and let the free market carve up the remains. The pilots obviously won't benefit from that kind of move, but intentionally or not they look like they will be causing it to happen. Since they're being screwed anyways, they don't care.

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The lessor has reclaimed its A330s. Can't fly without aircraft.

In other words, the lessor is only thinking of themselves...
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:36 pm

Sad state of affairs. Time to turn the lights off and lock the door.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:37 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
dcaviation wrote:
Today's strike is also about cancellation of few long haul flights to Caribbean. All flights to Caribbean will be stopped as of September 24th or 25th.


The lessor has reclaimed its A330s. Can't fly without aircraft.

Soon Air Berlin will be left without any aircraft.


Maybe German insolvency law is different, but I thought that one of the advantages of a filing is to suspend collection & seizure efforts? AB should be able to terminate lease contracts and return assets, but that's far different from a lessor seizing it.
 
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:47 pm

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Maybe German insolvency law is different, but I thought that one of the advantages of a filing is to suspend collection & seizure efforts? AB should be able to terminate lease contracts and return assets, but that's far different from a lessor seizing it.


Well according to this and this article, AerCap has reclaimed its A330s from Air Berlin. And there is fear that other lessors may to the same.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:54 pm

It wouldn't exactly be unthinkable that AB/Aer Cap agree to terminate the lease on the A330s, AB is forced to fire all the A330 crew. In return EW agrees with Aer Cap to lease said aircraft and take over the flights (right now there's mainly the tour operator destinations officially axed and up for grabs - but the flights to the US are all 0'd out), EW also does a quick hire process for new crew who are able to start immediately (read recently fired AB crew).

In such a scheme, EW comes out looking like the saviour of the ex LTU operation, gets some good press. The captains and cabin crew are forced into either not having a job or accepting the lower payscale of AB. EW wouldn't have to negotiate the long-haul part with AB creditors as it would already have been shut down.

I'm not saying this scenario is really what is happening, but it seems it would be in almost everyone's interest (except AB's creditors and the AB crew, but who really cares at this point) to see it play out that way. I'm pretty certain at this point Eurowings will by next month be operating to the Caribbean out of DUS in lieu of AB. Things just seem too weird to add up, AB said a few weeks/months ago the long haul operation was the only thing profitable and yet now they are returning their entire A330 fleet...
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:00 pm

Word in Germany is that airberlin more or less encouraged AerCap to reclaim most - not all - of the leased A330-200, this in order to be able to make the more senior/expensive cockpit crews redundant as a result of a "forced" re-sizing of long-haul operations. A rumour that fits in with the fact that AerCap has not reclaimed all its 12 A330s which would have been the case in a typical "aircraft repossession" from a defaulting airline scenario.

In other news, the insolvency administrator has urged airberlin staff to stop the strike presto as otherwise he will be forced to ground the airline immediately.

From a consumer point of view, this is an absolute shame.


Absolutely not. Insolvency with people you do business with is a risk of everyday life. You can insure against that, e.g. by not purchasing tickets 6 months in advance, but the day before your flight. It is much more expensive then, but that is the premium to be on the safe side of a potential insolvency.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:06 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
dcaviation wrote:
Today's strike is also about cancellation of few long haul flights to Caribbean. All flights to Caribbean will be stopped as of September 24th or 25th.


The lessor has reclaimed its A330s. Can't fly without aircraft.

Soon Air Berlin will be left without any aircraft.


Maybe German insolvency law is different, but I thought that one of the advantages of a filing is to suspend collection & seizure efforts? AB should be able to terminate lease contracts and return assets, but that's far different from a lessor seizing it.

No as a lessor is the owner of the plane and when the lease is not paid, they can reclaim their property whenever they like, as it is their legal right to minimize their own exposure.
 
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Well according to this and this article, AerCap has reclaimed its A330s from Air Berlin. And there is fear that other lessors may to the same.

A google translate of your article refects some of this fear.

According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung, there are still no signs that other lessors are withdrawing their aircraft from Air Berlin, but such steps could be ad hoc without a big announcement. Only those 38 Airbus A320 aircraft that are used for Austrian Airlines and Eurowings are deemed to be unaffected as they are owned by the Lufthansa Group, which would be detrimental to itself through a deduction. Air Berlin does not have a single airplane any more, because the entire

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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:13 pm

Who would buy tickets post August on AB?

This isnt US chap 11!

You have to take ownership of your decisions. If you bought a ticket on air Berlin after this filing, you know what you're in for.

As for those purchased before August, it stinks...but the company is gone.
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:13 pm

The lessor is not a simple creditor, but the owner of a real backing.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:27 pm

The pilots seem to be navigating through the insolvency process by dead reckoning.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:44 pm

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Not really a smart move by the pilots. If they think that they can live on insolvency severance pay, OK. But under the conditions they have to work now, they should Keep the bride attractive. Instead they demolish what is left with a sledge hammer.
The loneliest People today might be the AB call Center agents. Who in his right minde will book a flight on AB now?

What kind of ^&@#$&* strike an airline on the verge of liquidation? Quit and get another job. Don't be crybabies. It's 99% likely to be over. If somehow AB sees light at the end of the tunnel your union can then jeopardize that with the new owners, doing it now is just suicidal. People are so entitled to think they deserve a job and great pay at a company losing tons of money.
 
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TerminalD wrote:
PanHAM wrote:
Not really a smart move by the pilots. If they think that they can live on insolvency severance pay, OK. But under the conditions they have to work now, they should Keep the bride attractive. Instead they demolish what is left with a sledge hammer.
The loneliest People today might be the AB call Center agents. Who in his right minde will book a flight on AB now?

What kind of ^&@#$&* strike an airline on the verge of liquidation? Quit and get another job. Don't be crybabies. It's 99% likely to be over. If somehow AB sees light at the end of the tunnel your union can then jeopardize that with the new owners, doing it now is just suicidal. People are so entitled to think they deserve a job and great pay at a company losing tons of money.

Personally I wish the ones who saw this end coming had voted with their feet and gotten another job before things got critical, but on the other hand, any realistic managers (both the surviving AB ones and the new administrators) certainly should have seen this kind of strike action coming weeks ago.
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:29 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Who would buy tickets post August on AB?

This isnt US chap 11!


You're a preferred creditor, so it still seems likely that you either fly or get your money back (if yo booked past August 15, and AB was quick to refund those, i.e. 3 days). Otherwise no one in hell would book AB.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:37 pm

seahawk wrote:
Maybe German insolvency law is different, but I thought that one of the advantages of a filing is to suspend collection & seizure efforts? AB should be able to terminate lease contracts and return assets, but that's far different from a lessor seizing it.

No as a lessor is the owner of the plane and when the lease is not paid, they can reclaim their property whenever they like, as it is their legal right to minimize their own exposure.[/quote]

If so, that is a detail of German law that is different from U.S. Chapter 11. AA, UA, DL, NW lost no aircraft from sudden repossession by lessors during their most recent bankruptcies. Vendors can't terminate supplies of materials or change contract terms, either.
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:52 pm

Did the US airlines pay the lease rates?
 
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:56 pm

The illegal wild cat strike may well be the end of AB ands that may be even tomorrow if the pilots do not return to work. It looked all so well with an orderly insilvency and the Invitation of bidders for what remained from theairline.
Until 100 or so pilots walked out pretending to be sick, not knowing what they are causing with that reckless Action.
If the Administrator has to decide to declare full bankcruptcy this week, AB will be grounded immediately, the LBA has to revoke the AOC. Pilots will have a lot of spare time, mechanics might work, as well as Office staff and all get severance pay, paid out by the Job Center from a fund all companies and employees pay in monthly.


The Leasing Company BTW holds the title on the aircraft they lease out. In countries like Germany theym have no Problem to secure their property.
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:58 pm

It never ceases to amaze me that the A.net community is amazingly quick to jump to their guns when it comes to pilots protesting against their employers.

The general preconceived opinion of them is one of overpaid prima donnas who have absolutely no right to complain and are to be blamed for everything, without so much of a cursory look at the underlying contractual and industrial issues, which generally are very complex and completely obscure to those not working within the related company...

When poor management runs an airline to the ground (or any other business for that matter), no one ever seems to blame the corporate leaders who cause hundreds of employees and family to face hardship, but when those employees try to defend themselves and protest after being forcefully handed the sh*tty end of the stick even though they have dedicated a large part of their lives to be good and productive employees for a business that was ruined by others, everybody loses their mind.

I was told when I entered the business that no matter what pilots do to try and defend their generally and globally dwindling conditions, they would never win a PR war. People would rather defend the people who mismanage businesses while rewarding themselves massive remuneration packages or even their customers than the ones who have given their professional lives to that business.

I suppose the stereotype of the pompous, overpaid and lazy pilot who complains about bad meal trays will take time to die...
The reality, on the other hand, has largely caught up with the profession already. Pilots spend vasts amount of money for training and dedicated their lives to the craft only to enter a perennially unstable career where the beancounters have managed to diminish the conditions of service to sometimes nothing short of modern slavery, with the constant and often uninsured threat of losing their medical and with it, their entire career.

AB's fate was sealed well before its luckless pilots (along with other employees) decided to rebel against being shortchanged. Let them fight this. It might be a losing battle, but what have they got to lose anyway?
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Re: Air Berlin pilots now on sick leave strike

Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:59 pm

If German papers are right the people who called in sick are mainly the pilots high up in the food chain, e.g. mostly captains on very old and expensive contracts, some even from LTU.
No sane investor will take over these contracts unchanged. This also means the current management & insolvency administrators will want to get rid of them in one or another way. And if they don't the contratcs end when the company closes down. These pilots certainly will not find jobs anymore at their current conditions. So they have every reason to be afraid. And I understand why they do what they do.
On the other hand they had a more than decent income in the last years. Probably they were smart enough not to spend it all and will not fall into poverty. And they will also find jobs as pilots again, likely even on a senior level, just not at the same conditions. Their wildcat strike can gain them nothing but causes a lot of damage to Air Berlin. Probably Lufthansa and others are very pleased to see how Air Berlin falls apart and assetts become cheaper every hour. They just have to wait...

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