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What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:26 am

I was watching this airplane miracle show today and saw this story about a United Airlines plane that was going from Hawaii to New Zealand and a big chunk of plane broke off. I missed about 1/2 of the story. I have never heard of this story before and I could not find it on airdisasters.com. Can anybody tell me what happened? What caused that piece of plane to just fall off? I was shocked when I saw that!!
 
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:29 am

I believe it had something to do with the forward cargo door giving out. Ripped the side right off the plane. I believe two or three people were lost, several others injured. I still have a newspaper clipping of it.

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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:30 am

That was United's B747-122 N4713U, The cargo door malfunctioned, opened in flight and ripped a 15ft X 13 ft hole out of the fueslage, sucking 9 passengers out and 5 pairs of business class seats. Engines 3 and 4 failed, but the AC returned to Honolulu safely.

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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:37 am

Yes, a faulty forward cargo door mechanism caused the door to open and rip off during climb out of Honolulu on the way to Australia in the middle of the night. The door took a sizeable piece of fuselage with it. I believe two business-class passengers, still in their seats, ended up getting sucked out and causing at least one engine to fail (think about that one). There were many minor injuries from flying debris and some more serious injuries to at least one flight attendant. The crew was preparing for a mid-ocean ditching but miraculously made it back to Honolulu.
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:37 am

I believe this story occured back in 1989, not 1991. It was a United flight from Honolulu to Auckland.
 
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:39 am

Yes, that's right, FEB 24, 1989. I think it was flight 811.
 
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:45 am

Does anyone know if the plane is still flying today and with whom? I know for sure that the plane was repaired and returned to service. I remember seeing a show on air safety and it showed a clip of the same plane in United's current colors taxiing to a gate.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:01 pm

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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:03 pm

As a result of what happened on Capt. David Cronin's aircraft, UA has implemented a change in the way B747's are dispatched. Before any UA B747 flight leaves, the cargo door circuit breakers are pulled in the electronics bay of the aircraft by the mechanic working the flight. That's why you will always see a ladder positioned under the nose of a B747 just before departure, and just as soon as it reaches its destination gate. The idea is to prevent any electricity from reaching the door actuator mechanism. I am not sure if UA is the only one who does this or not. Since the fault on flight 811 was electrical in nature, this procedure should prevent something like that from ever happening again.
 
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 2:48 pm

Yes, apparently it WAS a miracle that the plane made it back to Honolulu safely.
I've heard that they have since simulated this incident on flight simulators and after what happened to that aircraft, there's no way in the world it should have made it back to HNL.
Has anyone heard that story?
The young New Zealander that was killed is from the next suburb over from me about 2 kms away.
Plane was on its way to Auckland, New Zealand, not Australia.  Smile
 
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 2:53 pm

BTW 777 cargo doors have small windows so the ramp rats can make sure the doors are sealed and locked correctly. I was told by a mechanic that this feature was a direct result of that 747 incident.
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:52 pm

Did they interview the pilots on what have they got to say? Would be interesting!
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:19 am

Mark2102:

This incident is definately on airdisaster.com...


http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi_bin/view_details.cgi?date=02241989&airline=United+Airlines
 
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:58 am

the foreward cargo doors blew open.back in the old day united when using the cargo loaders on widebodys you would latch them to the plane by big hooks. those same hooks would also be latched by the door, after so many times of loading and unloading the hooks grew weak, and inflight the door blew open and started to rip throught he plane. i know one of the flight attendents who was on that plane, the story is wild.
 
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:39 am

Is this accident a kind of metal fatigue caused by being an aged aircract? (built in 1970) I had at that time quite much of distrust in safety to several aged 747s for United Airlines (with only 3 upper deck windows), because there was an incredible incident in which 3 out of 4 engines were mulfunctioned final approcach and made an emerency landing to my home airport. I used to advise to avoide UAL to my friends until these fearful old 747s were retired.
 
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 4:01 am

There was a problem with the latches of the forward cargo door, no fatigue ( this was the cause of the incident of an Aloha 737 midway between Hilo and Kahului)

Seats 8/9/10/11/12 G and H,and 9f where the ones sacked out.

9dead, 18 injured. Book Air Disaster 3, by Mac Arthur Job, has a realy interesting coverage of this incident.

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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 4:17 am

Smolt -- Maybe it is just me, but I find it hard to understand your post. Also, you are trying to tell me that an aircarft built in 1970 and had a problem in 1989 is aging? Riiiiiiight......
 
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RE: What Exactly Happened On A United 747 In 1991?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 7:18 am

Speaking of rapid decompression, there was an Aloha 732 that lost 1/3 of the upper fuselage in Apr/88. I have looked at the airdisaster.com and found the info, but I do know there was a movie made on it... so now my question : what was that film called?

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RE: Rindt

Sat Feb 23, 2002 7:43 am

Miracle Landing is the title. It stars Connie Selleca and Wayne Rogers.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:38 am

FrequentFlyKid: Smolt -- Maybe it is just me, but I find it hard to understand your post. Also, you are trying to tell me that an aircarft built in 1970 and had a problem in 1989 is aging? Riiiiiiight......

At 19 years it wasn´t exactly new anymore. And the 30+ years life expectancy of an airliner is always qualified "with excellent maintenance".

We should be grateful that almost Sad all people on board have survived the incident - and that lessons have been learned.

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