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Bwia 747....who Did This?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:57 pm

fess up.....cuz we know it's not real.....


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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:59 pm

Uhhhh, the photographer maybe
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Bwia 747

Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:06 pm

It's real. During the 80's BWIA used to charter capacity in for Christmas vacationers (only for a few weeks).

Once saw an Arrow Air DC-10 operating one of their services out of JFK.

 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 2:32 pm

You mean if you dont know about it, its fake ??
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 5:31 pm

Its real. I have slide of this aircraft flying at home.
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Fri Feb 22, 2002 5:49 pm

Uhm.......looks very real to me and I like it... Smile/happy/getting dizzy
BWIA flying a B747....cool
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 1:25 am

Imagine it in their new cls  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Ooooooo, tasty!

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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 1:34 am

Yeh Inbound this one is real. I knew they leased a B747 years ago and I was waiting to see a picture of it. I saw it on a site quite a while back. Nice site by the way. It gives you a good update of fleets for any airline from past to present. Here is the link:
http://aerotransport.free.fr/index.html?Airlines/a106487
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 2:16 am

Look, the screeners have much better trained eyes than you, so leave it up to their judgement to decide whether a photo is fake or not (which this clearly ISN'T). Its not easy to fake a photo, and if someone did, it'd not be up to A.net standards anyway..
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 2:54 am

EGGD,

Actually, it is easy to fake a photo if you know what you're doing. Especially if it's just adding a title on a non-titled aircraft...not that I would ever do it.

Michael
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:04 am

Okay- it really does look real except that................
LX-LCV is the current registration for one of their 747-400Fs so I dont know if they perhaps recycled on old reg which seems unlikely (to me) since all their -400Fs have regs in sequence. If this was a cargolux aircraft, why is there no cargo door? It would seem to be rather useless as a freighter without a cargo door! One more thing that bothers me a little is, why would an airline lease a freighter from an all air cargo company to carry passengers? Of course, from the photo we see that this aircraft is not a freighter so, it makes me doubt that its a Cargolux aircraft.
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:22 am

Well, its not a 747-400F because it doesn't have winglets.. and the 744F is a dedicated freighter, that has no windows so I guess this not LX-LCV. Looks like he might've guessed the registration.

It does say its ex-American, and Cargolux operate a large amount of converted 747-100's, so it must be a mistake with the registration. As well as this looks like part AA scheme.
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:43 am

As far as I know, Cargolux never operated any 747-100s, they had all -200s before they went to buying new -400Fs.

The reg in the picture is not clear, but before I even read the caption on the picture I concluded that it said LX-LCV which immediately raised a red flag with me. I use to work with Cargolux here in Fairbanks and I knew that LX-LCV was one of their -400s, I have been on that plane! I see no reason why Cargolux would recycle reg. numbers so my guess is that this pic is not for real.
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:48 am

Its getting weird, caus the Cargolux Classic747's were 747-200C's (thx Woodsboy), with passenger windows BUT with the 742's they have the row of windows on the Upper deck, whereas the 747 in that picture is clearly a 747-100 with the 3 windows on the upper deck.

Can anyone say for sure what is going on!?!
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 4:06 am

If you look at the registration in http://aerotransport.free.fr

http://aerotransport.free.fr/index.html?Airlines/a31146

It looks like Cargolux recycle a lot of registrationsAnd also according to http://aerotransport.free.fr Cargolux operated at least 5 B747-123 and they leased 2 B747-200s (pax) from boeing
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 4:13 am


It's a real photo with the correct registration. Looking at my Jetliner Production list, I find:

LX-LCV 20105/77 ex N9666 which was leased by Cargolux 2nd July 1986, sub-leased to Iran Air 10th July 1986 and returned to Cargolux 20th September 1986. It
was sub-leased to Air Inter in April 1987.

We in MAN saw LX-FCV and LX-GCV operating to the Caribbean on a regular basis in 1986 and 1987 using Trans Jamaica Airlines and International Caribbean flight numbers but the planes were operated by Lionair, which, I believe, was a passenger-carrying subsidiary of Cargolux at the time.

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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:32 pm

ahhh
I stand corrected then !!
I must admit though, the BWIA on the side looks at though someone cropped it from another picture and pasted it onto this 747.

but thanks for all the informative responses Big grin
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:42 pm

Now my brain hurts. LX-LCV was, as David said, a -123 operated by Cargolux. It was leased to Air Inter in March of 1987 for a short time. By the date on the picture, it must have been wet-leased to BWIA the whole time. I'd never heard of it though. I guess I need to pull out the old OAGs and check.
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Sat Feb 23, 2002 2:42 pm

Inbound, it's RB211 here, I see how some other members of this forum believe that they are the advanced aircraft photo specialists. What Can I say, we not up to them standard  Smile
I see how easy it is to doubt something like this. A few months ago 9Y-ISA sent me a photo of a DC-10 in BWIA new colours..reg. was 9Y-DC10 or something. It looked pretty damned real to me. The ONLY way I knew it was not real was that well, we know the guys at BWIA don't even want to hear the word DC-10 and no way would they waste $$ to paint a DC-10 in new colours. ESP. since we follow BWIA fleet changes everyday and heard nothing of it. Anyways I saw your reply about my birthday to my sis..man you real jokey yes!! Oh my PPL should be done this week, Wx permitting, but CPL ground school started last week.
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:23 am

It was registered 9Y-TEN!!!
 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:11 am

About Cargolux and passenger aircraft : In the past, Cargolux used to operate passenger aircraft with their subsidiary "Lion Air".
There were also passenger 747 operated for the Hajj flights to Mecca and for a number of other carriers.

Right now, Cargolux has a fleet of 11 747-400F's, LX-FCV, GCV, ICV (the prototype which was original planned for AF...), KCV, LCV, MCV, NCV, OCV, PCV, RCV and SCV... TCV is due to arrive later this year. Nevertheless several registrations are "recycled". There have been for example several FCV's..... So just because you don't see a Cargolux -100 or -200 nowadays does not mean that it never existed!

For more information check Oli Sigurdsson's page about the CL-44, but also about the aircraft in 30 years of Cargolux service :

http://www.cl44.com

Best regards,

Tom

 
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RE: Bwia 747....who Did This?

Tue Feb 26, 2002 8:15 am

Forgot to add : you will find this specific 747-100 here as well, wearing the BWIA colors... so is still anyone speaking of a fake?!?

http://www.cl44.com/cargolux/cvdetail2.asp?ID=44

Tom