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PIA - Good News Finally

Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:22 pm

PIA to buy 7 used aircraft

A high-level meeting here on Thursday allowed the PIA authorities to purchase seven second-hand aircraft for which the US Export and Import (EXIM) Bank will also provide considerable funding.

Informed sources told Dawn that the meeting, presided over by Finance Minister Shaukat Aziz and attended by Chairman and Managing Director of the PIA, representatives of EXIM Bank and the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, approved the purchase of four Boeing 777 and three A-310 Airbus planes.

The seven aircraft, to be purchased by the PIA, will be "freshly used" and will not be very old.

Sources said the meeting was of the view that PIA should gradually replace its old fleet so that there was no major funding problem.

 
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:35 pm

Which airline is selling "freshly used" 777's and A310s ??
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:44 pm

Apparently, BA are selling some 777s. These are about 5 yrs old. For PIA, that would be "fresh," given their geriatric fleet.
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:50 pm

BA, and maybe UA.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:52 pm

...and the two 777s of Air Europe are on the market, too.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:16 am

This is good news. Hope that PIA is able to dispose of some of the older members of its fleet when it takes delivery of the new aircraft.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:21 am

At least this makes some economical sence from a PIA/ Pakistan viewpoint.

Poor country's buying the newest most expensive aircraft always mak me laugh .. and sad for the big(hungry/ un-educated/ powerless) populations ...

Hope it won't be 4 totally different 777's

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Sat Feb 23, 2002 1:21 am

Lauda don't want their 777's either, and the third one is coming soon !!
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 1:55 am

I am really happy to hear about this order. With the new aircraft PIA will likely increase it's profitability. I still think 4 B777 are not enough they need at least 2 more.

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-Will the new A310-300's replace the A300s?
-Are these aircraft gifts from the Pakistani or US governements (repayment for war in afghanistan) or will they be payed for by PIA.

 
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 8:46 am

So I guess this means that PIA are no longer interested in Ba's 744's.....Or are they??
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:55 am

There are several sources for the triple 7s, the A310s??? well they could be, and prbably are European based, although there are some ex-C3 / Royal aircraft knocking around i guess.
The triple 7s... well, they could buy two from BA, and the Air Europe ones... cos they all have GE90s... if they were from UA, then they would likely buy 4 of them.. so they all have PW. I dont think there are any unused RR ones available, or are there????

We will soon see who has sold some a/c.
Im interested in the A310s, or at least where they came from.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:12 pm

Keesje -

Actually it makes perfect sense for a poor country to buy the latest aircraft - they're fuel efficient, break down less often, establish a viable source of income, etc etc. As far as the hungry, powerless populations in these countries are concerned, they're irrelevant to fleet plans, much in the same way that an ageing population is irrelevant to a country's investment in high speed telecom services, the internet, etc. A country like Pakistan has a huge middle class - I'd say about 20-30 million strong - who travel overseas for business, pleasure, work, etc. There is an enormous Pakistani presence in the Middle East, not all of whom are day laborers, but who are white collar professionals. Add to it, the nearly 1 million strong community in the UK, and another 400,000 or so in the United States (who tend to be stolidly middle to upper middle class), and you have a perfectly viable source of passengers who demand new aircraft and good service.

Look at Ethiopian Airlines - during 20 years of civil war, a repressive communist regime, famine, etc, they ran a fabulous airline with the latest aircraft, service to rival any upper echelon European carrier, and made money to boot - which is more than I can say of many other airlines who bleed cash even in the best of times while offering churlish service.
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 6:28 pm

I can't imagine what the 777 interiors look like. Comparable to Aeroflot.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 6:47 pm

What about the Emirates A310's?
How "fresh" can an A310 be anyway?
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 7:00 pm

Jaysit, MH has several RR powered 777s on sale.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 9:32 pm

Aamd11, Air Europe 777s are Pratt- powered.


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Sun Feb 24, 2002 1:38 am

Hi all

I've just been speaking to a PIA employee and he says that PK are currently interested in BA, CX and UAs 777s.

CX and UA are the most probable. CX already lease there 743's to PIA. So they might get a good deal.
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2002 9:13 am

"Aamd11" I just checked Bill Harms website and it said that Royal's/C3's A310 are actually quite old (14 years!) which would make them older than PIA's current fleet. I'm not sure if Singapore Airlines A310's are for sale, but they are quite new
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Sun Feb 24, 2002 9:57 am

Yup, SQ has it's whole fleet of A310s on sale. They have 13.
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2002 10:40 am

Its a buyers market and PIA should order right now to take advantage
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2002 1:18 am

So whats going to happen to the 747-300 now?

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Mon Feb 25, 2002 1:35 am

Does this good news mean that Glasgow will soon be welcoming PIA on a scheduled basis?
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2002 1:39 am


Hi!

Keeping the tradition in the past when PIA leased and then purchased 2 TAP 747-282 ( CS-TJC and TJD ), and knowing that TAP will soon start to get rid of their A310's to replace them by the A330-200's PIA could opt for these extremely well maintained A310's.
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Wed Feb 27, 2002 3:48 am

According to the local news an EXIM bank executive interviewed on TV said that they were trying to get Boeing to sell brand new 777s to PIA.
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Wed Feb 27, 2002 3:49 am

What is the longest range route PIA fly?
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:04 am

I think its Toronto-Karachi.
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Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:11 am

I was thinking that too.they currently use a 310 via Manchester I think so maybe the BA's 772s are a good idea
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2002 5:21 am

I think the Manchester-Toronto service has been stopped due to shortage of aircraft for Copenhagen now the service is Copenhagen-Toronto with the A310.

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Wed Feb 27, 2002 7:20 am

Hi

PIA are to return 2 743s to Cathay Pacific and will purchase the two remaining.

Also, the F-27 is also to be phased out, due to orders given by CAA officials who have given PIA a set time in order to replace these aircraft. Either with ATRs or Dash 8s./
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:08 am


" Actually it makes perfect sense for a poor country to buy the latest aircraft (......) As far as the hungry, powerless populations in these countries are concerned, they're irrelevant to fleet plans,

Look at Ethiopian Airlines - during 20 years of civil war, a repressive communist regime, famine, etc, they ran a fabulous airline with the latest aircraft, service to rival any upper echelon European carrier, and made money to boot


Jaysit, I totally disagree with you. Often those airlines are used to bolster ego´s of / transport undemocratic rulers of these country´s (and their friends/clans etc.).

Millions disappear, REAL financial results are totally unclear. You know how many people died in Ethiopia during the last 15 years in a violent way ? 9-11 is absolutely peanuts compared to those civil wars, although we didn´t (want to) see it live at CNN.

I wouldn´t dare to buy an expensive car if the people in my street were perishing. These guys just don´t (want to) see it that way ... Wrong priority´s become a way of living sometimes..

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Fri Mar 01, 2002 5:18 am

"PIA are to return 2 743s to Cathay Pacific and will purchase the two remaining." "GF-A330" Does this mean that PIA is also in the hunt for some 747-400's? or is PIA going to replace these 743's with something else?
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Fri Mar 01, 2002 7:43 am

Perhaps some BA 744s-they are just about the best maintained planes around
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2002 8:24 am

Pia Has 5 743's, if they are supposedly buying 2, returning 2, what will be the fate of the 5th??

Pia are totally clueless, and if those "best maintained" BA-744's were ever to come into PIA's hands--which i dont think they will---i guarantee that they would NOT be a sight for sore eyes after the 1st 3 months.

By the way Airmale, do PK have traffic rights on the Copenhagen-Toronto sector??

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