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Updated: MCI New Terminal Vote Passed

Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:57 pm

Trying to avoid having this sent to the polls forum but curious of what, if any, repercussions there will be if Kansas City, MO residents vote 'No' to a new single terminal. Does anyone know if airlines will make any decisions to draw down service in any way going forward? I have to imagine that on the next agreement for fees airlines may push the cost of the currently closed Terminal A to taxpayers and not use their fees to support a closed terminal. Thoughts?
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:04 pm

No service drawdown threats are imminent and Term A is mothballed . Not sure what fees are going toward maintaining it other than water and heat. The airlines would not be involved in those costs. They only pay rent on space they use plus landing fees and fuel
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:32 pm

RJNUT wrote:
No service drawdown threats are imminent and Term A is mothballed . Not sure what fees are going toward maintaining it other than water and heat. The airlines would not be involved in those costs. They only pay rent on space they use plus landing fees and fuel


Those water and heating bills are paid for through the fees. Not taxpayer money. I could see given the amount of time and effort they put into the vote, especially WN, the airlines wanting to be a lot pickier going forward and saying they want anything outside of their immediate needs removed from their fees. Let the taxpayers figure out the rest.

Most carriers will simply continue on as they are but I could see WN drawing down some of the close in Midwest service creating a spiraling situation for the airport.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:36 pm

I truly doubt any airlines will leave solely because of a no vote. They may not like it, but in the end if they're making money and feel it's worth serving Kansas City (over 2.1 million people, so not small by any means) they won't be leaving. Service just may not grow as much as it would with a new terminal.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:44 pm

When is the vote? Tomorrow?
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:47 pm

evank516 wrote:
When is the vote? Tomorrow?

Yes
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:31 pm

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I truly doubt any airlines will leave solely because of a no vote. They may not like it, but in the end if they're making money and feel it's worth serving Kansas City (over 2.1 million people, so not small by any means) they won't be leaving. Service just may not grow as much as it would with a new terminal.


Agree with this. If there is money to be made on a route, someone will run it. I don't think much service leaves just because the vote doesn't pass. I think new routes will just grow slower than if they had a better setup. No one (WN) will set up many connecting passengers in the current setup and that would continue. I'm also not convinced a new terminal will make a huge difference in service level either. Probably a few more WN flights since they could feed a few more connections through it, but that's about it. If a route make sense O&D wise, I think it would be added in either terminal setup.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:45 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
Trying to avoid having this sent to the polls forum but curious of what, if any, repercussions there will be if Kansas City, MO residents vote 'No' to a new single terminal. Does anyone know if airlines will make any decisions to draw down service in any way going forward? I have to imagine that on the next agreement for fees airlines may push the cost of the currently closed Terminal A to taxpayers and not use their fees to support a closed terminal. Thoughts?


The only repercussions is that the residents and visitors of KC will be stuck with a third world airport if the vote is a “no.”
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:17 pm

KCaviator wrote:
TWFlyGuy wrote:
Trying to avoid having this sent to the polls forum but curious of what, if any, repercussions there will be if Kansas City, MO residents vote 'No' to a new single terminal. Does anyone know if airlines will make any decisions to draw down service in any way going forward? I have to imagine that on the next agreement for fees airlines may push the cost of the currently closed Terminal A to taxpayers and not use their fees to support a closed terminal. Thoughts?


The only repercussions is that the residents and visitors of KC will be stuck with a third world airport if the vote is a “no.”

I think everybody would agree that the terminal precludes anybody running much of a connecting operation. A NO vote will continue to limit WN and preclude any new airline from attempting a focus city.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:28 pm

sw733 wrote:
I truly doubt any airlines will leave solely because of a no vote. They may not like it, but in the end if they're making money and feel it's worth serving Kansas City (over 2.1 million people, so not small by any means) they won't be leaving. Service just may not grow as much as it would with a new terminal.


I don't think they will pull out tomorrow but will WN maybe remove some of the Midwest flying as the next need for refurbishment comes up? Things like that.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:39 pm

As much as I like the relative ease of B Terminal at MCI having flown into and out of there a few times, especially where it's a very short walk to baggage claim from the gate compared to other cities, MCI is due for a new terminal.
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:57 pm

If the passengers come, so will the airlines. No difference if "no."
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:18 pm

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If the passengers come, so will the airlines. No difference if "no."


Except they will be quickly be gate constrained and re-opening Terminal A will become more costly to open for each day it's closed. So any new adds would seemingly be countered with shuttered routes I would think.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:20 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
If the passengers come, so will the airlines. No difference if "no."


Except they will be quickly be gate constrained and re-opening Terminal A will become more costly to open for each day it's closed. So any new adds would seemingly be countered with shuttered routes I would think.


Their new terminal pretty much will have the same amount of gates as they do now in B and C. I count 37 jetways (with a couple spots for others). The new terminal will have 35 gates that can expand to 42. So they aren't gaining much, if any.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:42 am

TVNWZ wrote:
If the passengers come, so will the airlines. No difference if "no."


Thanks but this is not true at all. I'm associated with the SLC terminal reconstruction project and part of the reason that they decided to build the new airport, besides it being structurally unsound, was to increase connection capacity for delta significantly. Delta is constrained with the widebody gates in summer months (D2, D4, D6) because only two can be used at a time for widebody ops. So they have to schedule ATL-SLC, ATL-SLC-HNL, SLC-LHR, SLC-AMS, SLC-CDG and SLC-AMS on KLM within a constrictive amount of space, especially the CDG and AMS flights that are timed for connections and the ATL-SLC-HNL flight that has to arrive in the middle of the day. This is actually why growth has been limited at SLC - there are simply not enough gates even though many of them are open for large parts of the day, especially now that part of the E concourse has been eliminated for the terminal reconstruction project.

So yes, if you have gates, the airlines will come, and so will PAX. The airlines aren't going to exit MCI entirely, but they're certainly going to operate within their means if they don't get the space they want.

Maybe you guys should have been saving money with PFCs. We saved more than a billion dollars over the last few decades... keep costs low and ensure the loyalty of your airlines.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:26 am

jubguy3 wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
If the passengers come, so will the airlines. No difference if "no."


Thanks but this is not true at all. I'm associated with the SLC terminal reconstruction project and part of the reason that they decided to build the new airport, besides it being structurally unsound, was to increase connection capacity for delta significantly. Delta is constrained with the widebody gates in summer months (D2, D4, D6) because only two can be used at a time for widebody ops. So they have to schedule ATL-SLC, ATL-SLC-HNL, SLC-LHR, SLC-AMS, SLC-CDG and SLC-AMS on KLM within a constrictive amount of space, especially the CDG and AMS flights that are timed for connections and the ATL-SLC-HNL flight that has to arrive in the middle of the day. This is actually why growth has been limited at SLC - there are simply not enough gates even though many of them are open for large parts of the day, especially now that part of the E concourse has been eliminated for the terminal reconstruction project.

So yes, if you have gates, the airlines will come, and so will PAX. The airlines aren't going to exit MCI entirely, but they're certainly going to operate within their means if they don't get the space they want.

Maybe you guys should have been saving money with PFCs. We saved more than a billion dollars over the last few decades... keep costs low and ensure the loyalty of your airlines.


You can hardly compare SLC and MCI. SLC is a major legacy airline hub airport with over twice as many passengers, including lots of connections. MCI has far less passengers and only something like 4% connecting traffic. They have different needs and the airlines at them are expecting different things from each. MCI isn't going to have a shortage of wide body gate issues. They don't have any wide bodies flying there now and probably won't have more than a couple in the future. MCI has the gates now for more flights, it just isn't the best setup. They could accommodate more flights if someone wanted to fly them though.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:41 am

Jshank83 wrote:
jubguy3 wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
If the passengers come, so will the airlines. No difference if "no."


Thanks but this is not true at all. I'm associated with the SLC terminal reconstruction project and part of the reason that they decided to build the new airport, besides it being structurally unsound, was to increase connection capacity for delta significantly. Delta is constrained with the widebody gates in summer months (D2, D4, D6) because only two can be used at a time for widebody ops. So they have to schedule ATL-SLC, ATL-SLC-HNL, SLC-LHR, SLC-AMS, SLC-CDG and SLC-AMS on KLM within a constrictive amount of space, especially the CDG and AMS flights that are timed for connections and the ATL-SLC-HNL flight that has to arrive in the middle of the day. This is actually why growth has been limited at SLC - there are simply not enough gates even though many of them are open for large parts of the day, especially now that part of the E concourse has been eliminated for the terminal reconstruction project.

So yes, if you have gates, the airlines will come, and so will PAX. The airlines aren't going to exit MCI entirely, but they're certainly going to operate within their means if they don't get the space they want.

Maybe you guys should have been saving money with PFCs. We saved more than a billion dollars over the last few decades... keep costs low and ensure the loyalty of your airlines.


You can hardly compare SLC and MCI. SLC is a major legacy airline hub airport with over twice as many passengers, including lots of connections. MCI has far less passengers and only something like 4% connecting traffic. They have different needs and the airlines at them are expecting different things from each. MCI isn't going to have a shortage of wide body gate issues. They don't have any wide bodies flying there now and probably won't have more than a couple in the future. MCI has the gates now for more flights, it just isn't the best setup. They could accommodate more flights if someone wanted to fly them though.


It was more representative of the situation as a whole that could be explained in the context of a few certain instances. MCI does not have enough capacity and their facilities are failing. They need to vote for this. If they don't now, then when? Infrastructure spending is one of the most productive and beneficial forms of spending that taxpayers can instigate. MCI, like MSY, IND, and RDU (which are airports in similar situations), will benefit from a new airport.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:48 pm

I predict that the vote will fail-narrowly. Most New-MCI supporters do not live within the city limits of Kansas City. Most live in Overland Park, Shawnee, etc.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:22 pm

chalupas54 wrote:
I predict that the vote will fail-narrowly. Most New-MCI supporters do not live within the city limits of Kansas City. Most live in Overland Park, Shawnee, etc.


That is my bet. The airport needs a regional authority that can encompass all constituents. But, that won't happen, either.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:29 pm

jubguy3 wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
If the passengers come, so will the airlines. No difference if "no."


Thanks but this is not true at all. I'm associated with the SLC terminal reconstruction project and part of the reason that they decided to build the new airport, besides it being structurally unsound, was to increase connection capacity for delta significantly. Delta is constrained with the widebody gates in summer months (D2, D4, D6) because only two can be used at a time for widebody ops. So they have to schedule ATL-SLC, ATL-SLC-HNL, SLC-LHR, SLC-AMS, SLC-CDG and SLC-AMS on KLM within a constrictive amount of space, especially the CDG and AMS flights that are timed for connections and the ATL-SLC-HNL flight that has to arrive in the middle of the day. This is actually why growth has been limited at SLC - there are simply not enough gates even though many of them are open for large parts of the day, especially now that part of the E concourse has been eliminated for the terminal reconstruction project.

So yes, if you have gates, the airlines will come, and so will PAX. The airlines aren't going to exit MCI entirely, but they're certainly going to operate within their means if they don't get the space they want.

Maybe you guys should have been saving money with PFCs. We saved more than a billion dollars over the last few decades... keep costs low and ensure the loyalty of your airlines.

In most cases I would argue that the cost of a new terminal actually deters airlines which has happened in DAB/MLB/IND and many others, but MCI is unique because MCI really has a shot of being a connecting hub of some sort with WN or somebody else and the current terminal really prevents that. So, in the case of MCI I think there is clearly benefit from a new terminal for the community. I think if this is voted down it will take away jobs, tourism, etc. from the area that would have been gained by having a facility that could support connecting traffic.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:34 pm

Southwest has announced plans to serve Cancun nonstop from CMH, IND, and RDU, all of which are much smaller Southwest Airlines stations than MCI is, but Southwest has not announced any plans to serve CUN nonstop from MCI. Southwest adding MCI-CUN nonstop service could possibly happen if the new terminal gets built at MCI.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:49 pm

jplatts wrote:
Southwest has announced plans to serve Cancun nonstop from CMH, IND, and RDU, all of which are much smaller Southwest Airlines stations than MCI is, but Southwest has not announced any plans to serve CUN nonstop from MCI. Southwest adding MCI-CUN nonstop service could possibly happen if the new terminal gets built at MCI.


MCI also already has 3 airlines running that route. That might have something to do with WN not running it from MCI.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:50 pm

jplatts wrote:
Southwest has announced plans to serve Cancun nonstop from CMH, IND, and RDU, all of which are much smaller Southwest Airlines stations than MCI is, but Southwest has not announced any plans to serve CUN nonstop from MCI. Southwest adding MCI-CUN nonstop service could possibly happen if the new terminal gets built at MCI.


Are those markets as saturated as MCI’s though? MCI already has AA, DL, and F9, plus AM running charters for what I presume to be vacation/travel companies. While I’m 100% for a new terminal, that doesn’t change the fact that there’s already 3 and a half airlines flying this route.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:55 pm

jplatts wrote:
Southwest has announced plans to serve Cancun nonstop from CMH, IND, and RDU, all of which are much smaller Southwest Airlines stations than MCI is, but Southwest has not announced any plans to serve CUN nonstop from MCI. Southwest adding MCI-CUN nonstop service could possibly happen if the new terminal gets built at MCI.


Another reminder.

New Terminal does not equal More Flights. This is a huge fallacy being spread by KC media. Do not expect WN to dismantle STL to bring more flights to MCI.

Also, keep in mind MCI posted a deficit in passenger numbers last month. The market is not performing.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:35 pm

There you go....wrecking preconceived notions.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:45 pm

chalupas54 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Southwest has announced plans to serve Cancun nonstop from CMH, IND, and RDU, all of which are much smaller Southwest Airlines stations than MCI is, but Southwest has not announced any plans to serve CUN nonstop from MCI. Southwest adding MCI-CUN nonstop service could possibly happen if the new terminal gets built at MCI.


Another reminder.

New Terminal does not equal More Flights. This is a huge fallacy being spread by KC media. Do not expect WN to dismantle STL to bring more flights to MCI.

Also, keep in mind MCI posted a deficit in passenger numbers last month. The market is not performing.


While the previous month was a deficit from August the Year over Year growth in September has risen for years. You can find the stats here...
http://flykci.com/newsroom/statistical- ... tatistics/
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:47 pm

chalupas54 wrote:
I predict that the vote will fail-narrowly. Most New-MCI supporters do not live within the city limits of Kansas City. Most live in Overland Park, Shawnee, etc.


I haven't seen any proof of this at all. I see it pretty mixed around the entire metro area.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:52 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Southwest has announced plans to serve Cancun nonstop from CMH, IND, and RDU, all of which are much smaller Southwest Airlines stations than MCI is, but Southwest has not announced any plans to serve CUN nonstop from MCI. Southwest adding MCI-CUN nonstop service could possibly happen if the new terminal gets built at MCI.


MCI also already has 3 airlines running that route. That might have something to do with WN not running it from MCI.


KCaviator wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Southwest has announced plans to serve Cancun nonstop from CMH, IND, and RDU, all of which are much smaller Southwest Airlines stations than MCI is, but Southwest has not announced any plans to serve CUN nonstop from MCI. Southwest adding MCI-CUN nonstop service could possibly happen if the new terminal gets built at MCI.


Are those markets as saturated as MCI’s though? MCI already has AA, DL, and F9, plus AM running charters for what I presume to be vacation/travel companies. While I’m 100% for a new terminal, that doesn’t change the fact that there’s already 3 and a half airlines flying this route.


WN just announced PIT-CUN, and PIT has AA/Apple Vacations/DL/Vacation Express on that route and IND/CMH/RDU(year-round) have at least 2 carriers to CUN, WN could open up CUN from MCI and easily push out F9 and AM...

enilria wrote:
In most cases I would argue that the cost of a new terminal actually deters airlines which has happened in DAB/MLB/IND and many others, but MCI is unique because MCI really has a shot of being a connecting hub of some sort with WN or somebody else and the current terminal really prevents that. So, in the case of MCI I think there is clearly benefit from a new terminal for the community. I think if this is voted down it will take away jobs, tourism, etc. from the area that would have been gained by having a facility that could support connecting traffic.


I would say that is half the story though, IND's new terminal came at exactly the worst time when airlines were cutting routes/flights across the board. IND needed to build a new terminal there is no way around it, it just came at an unfortunate time. IND was basically in the same boat that MCI is today, the new terminal at IND was meant(at least in part) to allow DL to expand their operations(hence DL basically having A concourse to themselves) similar to the possibility of WN expanding at MCI today.
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:53 pm

FlyingJhawk wrote:
chalupas54 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Southwest has announced plans to serve Cancun nonstop from CMH, IND, and RDU, all of which are much smaller Southwest Airlines stations than MCI is, but Southwest has not announced any plans to serve CUN nonstop from MCI. Southwest adding MCI-CUN nonstop service could possibly happen if the new terminal gets built at MCI.


Another reminder.

New Terminal does not equal More Flights. This is a huge fallacy being spread by KC media. Do not expect WN to dismantle STL to bring more flights to MCI.

Also, keep in mind MCI posted a deficit in passenger numbers last month. The market is not performing.


While the previous month was a deficit from August the Year over Year growth in September has risen for years. You can find the stats here...
http://flykci.com/newsroom/statistical- ... tatistics/


Even with that, the growth occurring in the MCI market is not keeping up with peer airports. To deny there is a market problem in Kansas City is covering up an issue. American, Southwest, Allegiant, and Frontier have all cut frequencies and flights out of MCI. To blame it on the airport facility is an excuse. Even as airport officials at MCI have said: There is currently nothing preventing an airline from operating at MCI. The cuts are market-based. Anyone trying to convice otherwise is being deceptive. I do believe MCI needs a new terminal. However, I believe it is being sold for the wrong reasons.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:56 pm

sw733 wrote:
chalupas54 wrote:
I predict that the vote will fail-narrowly. Most New-MCI supporters do not live within the city limits of Kansas City. Most live in Overland Park, Shawnee, etc.


I haven't seen any proof of this at all. I see it pretty mixed around the entire metro area.


I should have rephrased this. The most vocal opponents of the airport live in the city limits. The most vocal supporters do not appear to.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:56 pm

ITT: Kansas City should get a new airport so that a fifth airline can start seasonal, 1x weekly service to Cancun...
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:58 pm

chalupas54 wrote:
FlyingJhawk wrote:
chalupas54 wrote:

Another reminder.

New Terminal does not equal More Flights. This is a huge fallacy being spread by KC media. Do not expect WN to dismantle STL to bring more flights to MCI.

Also, keep in mind MCI posted a deficit in passenger numbers last month. The market is not performing.


While the previous month was a deficit from August the Year over Year growth in September has risen for years. You can find the stats here...
http://flykci.com/newsroom/statistical- ... tatistics/


Even with that, the growth occurring in the MCI market is not keeping up with peer airports. To deny there is a market problem in Kansas City is covering up an issue. American, Southwest, Allegiant, and Frontier have all cut frequencies and flights out of MCI. To blame it on the airport facility is an excuse. Even as airport officials at MCI have said: There is currently nothing preventing an airline from operating at MCI. The cuts are market-based. Anyone trying to convice otherwise is being deceptive. I do believe MCI needs a new terminal. However, I believe it is being sold for the wrong reasons.



Agree with Chalupa. The proponents jumped the gun on the reasons why. I have been trying to educate folks beyond the incorrect assumptions being made. Instead focusing on the long term plan for the terminal, changing economics, airline needs, etc vs. "losing business or flights" because we don't do anything.

To be fair to the media, they did talk about flights and the airport: http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics ... 21881.html
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:12 pm

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ITT: Kansas City should get a new airport so that a fifth airline can start seasonal, 1x weekly service to Cancun...


:lol:
 
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Only 5 per cent of precincts in, but running 68 percent yes 32 percent no
 
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:57 am

Looks like it isn't even going to be a close vote.
 
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:03 am

Very surprised. Hope it passes.
 
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:31 am

chalupas54 wrote:
sw733 wrote:
chalupas54 wrote:
I predict that the vote will fail-narrowly. Most New-MCI supporters do not live within the city limits of Kansas City. Most live in Overland Park, Shawnee, etc.


I haven't seen any proof of this at all. I see it pretty mixed around the entire metro area.


I should have rephrased this. The most vocal opponents of the airport live in the city limits. The most vocal supporters do not appear to.


I've lived in Kansas City my whole life and I would agree. Another thing that could be a factor too is that I sense there is a lot of apathy towards a new terminal at MCI. Most people who live in the KC metro simply don't use MCI enough to really have much of opinion on whether a new terminal is something they want or not. If I asked all of my friends and family in KC about how they feel about this topic most of them would probably tell me that they don't care because they only use MCI a few times a year or less.
 
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Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:42 am

"In Platte County, the new terminal was fetching 75 percent of the vote with nearly half of the precincts reporting. In Clay County, two-thirds of the precincts were in and a new terminal was winning with 70 percent of the vote."

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics ... 47946.html

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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:44 am

While the vote is not official, I will cancel my plans to move from the area. The metro area rejoices.

But seriously, I lived in the area and used KCI since 1981 and this is freakin' amazing. I was beginning to think my children would never see a new terminal at KCI.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:53 am

I was in the high school band that was at the dedication of this facility in 1972, but I voted yes! . I actually pine for the old downtown airport which was so cool.
It is now declared a landslide for YES vote
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:14 am

I thought it would shake out 48% yes, 52%no. I’m so pleased with this landslide victory. Now, let’s see how long it will actually take to build.
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Kansas City passes new terminal for MCI Airport

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:22 am

New terminal vote passes 70 to 30%. Southwest donations help support passage. I wonder when terminal is complete, will they restore flights to RDU. SMF, PVD they had in the 90s when it was an unofficial focus city for WN during the MDW rebuild.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:30 am

Glad to see the terminal pass. What is causing the decrease in flights and passengers to the area? Metro area is growing much faster than STL area, but is lagging STL in flights.
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:38 am

Great victory. Go MCI!
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:42 am

I have to admit I’m rather surprised it passed. I do love MCI as an arriving passenger.... off the plane and to economy parking in mere minutes. However it’s an unpleasant airport to depart from. Can’t wait to see this project take shape.
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:42 am

Congrats to this city! Great day to be a Kansas Citian!
 
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Re: Kansas City passes new terminal for MCI Airport

Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:05 am

LuvMoreMCI wrote:
New terminal vote passes 70 to 30%. Southwest donations help support passage. I wonder when terminal is complete, will they restore flights to RDU. SMF, PVD they had in the 90s when it was an unofficial focus city for WN during the MDW rebuild.

And restore OKC service
 
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:36 am

Jshank83 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Southwest has announced plans to serve Cancun nonstop from CMH, IND, and RDU, all of which are much smaller Southwest Airlines stations than MCI is, but Southwest has not announced any plans to serve CUN nonstop from MCI. Southwest adding MCI-CUN nonstop service could possibly happen if the new terminal gets built at MCI.


MCI also already has 3 airlines running that route. That might have something to do with WN not running it from MCI.


Yet, WN recently announced seasonal weekly (Saturday) PIT-CUN service starting next June, even though AA, DL and two tour operators already operate that route. It's not as though there isn't a precedent for WN to potentially add an MCI-CUN route in the future based on their moves in PIT.
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Re: MCI New Terminal Vote

Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:40 am

I know it's a few years away, but I'm really looking forward to seeing how the new KMCI terminal works out. I agree with the article that was posted earlier in the thread that arriving flights are a breeze, but departing can be a pain in the neck at times.
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Re: Kansas City passes new terminal for MCI Airport

Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:49 am

Call it wishful thinking :) but now there is opportunity for MCI to be a hub city for midwest flights.

OKC, DSM, OMA, LNK, CID, FSD, SUX, ICT, ROC, MSN, GBD, GCK, SLN, TUL, FSM, SGF, LIT, LBF, RAP, AMA, FSM, JAN..... for example. For a number of these regional cities MCI would be a more convenient and shorter connection point than backtracking to ORD, DFW, DEN.

MCI could then field more frequency on key routes to major coastal cities. With an efficient connection terminal a lot more is possible.
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