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Maximum Crew Hours And What Is Deadheading?

Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:50 am

I have several questions. First of all, what is the maximum amount of hours pilots and flight attendants can work on a flight? How does an airline work out changing of crews midflight and how many extra people do they have for cockpit crew? Where do the crew members that are no longer flying go?

My other question regards flight attendants only. What is deadheading and why it is done?
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RE: Maximum Crew Hours And What Is Deadheading?

Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:40 pm

The maximum number of hours depends on the airline. For some airlines, it is 14 hours; for others, it is less or more.

As for deadheading (which applies to pilots and flight attendants), it is the act of positining to a city in order to start a pairing (a series of flight) or the act of flying to another city after a pairing to position for the next flight. Deadheading (or positining) can be done before a pairing, in the middle of a pairing or at the end of a pairing.

Example (with AC):

Monday: operate YYZ-YVR, then deadhead to YYC
Tuesday: operated YYC-LHR
Thursday: operate LHR-YOW, then deadhead to YYZ (home base).

When crews deadhead, they are essentially passengers on the flight (often times in uniform, though).

I hope this helps.
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RE: Maximum Crew Hours And What Is Deadheading?

Mon Feb 25, 2002 11:13 pm

Our airline...The max hours pilots can do is approx 15.5hr and f/a's is 16-17hr.
however...crew do sometimes (quite often)when delayed go into discretion just to get home and this saves the airline loads of money.
If the crew went 15mins over the normal duty hour allowance and declared that they are out of hours.The flight could not operate.The airline would then have to find accommodation,transport,meals for both crew and say 189pax,not to mention the parking fees and handling charges the aircraft would incurr.You then have to think about the other flights that it will effect too.....VERY EXPENSIVE.
When deadheading (for us) its normally that we have done too many hours or we are positioning home either by air/road.

Hope i havent gone on too much but thats just my little bit

many thanks

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RE: Maximum Crew Hours And What Is Deadheading?

Mon Feb 25, 2002 11:22 pm

15,5 hrs for flight crews!
How does that fit to JAR-OPS?

A scheduled plan is not allowed to go over more than 14 hours but after a 14 hours day you need a rest period of 36hours (not sure about 36)
For short and medium haul normal day is about 12 hours after that there must be a period of 24 free time!
The 12 or 14 hours can be expanded up to 16 hours but only after a meeting with the entire crew. The captain has to ask every member if they are willing to expand their flight duty time. For sure most of the times the crew will say yes.

regards Bjoern
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RE: Maximum Crew Hours And What Is Deadheading?

Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:32 am

That is what i thought too...but we have done flights to banjul(gambia) before where the duty day has amounted to about 15hrs.I know some there was alot of discussions about the the amount of hours but jar-ops seem to have let us carry on with that.
I know there is alot of talk about stopping the banjul's unless we can either nt stop or one set of crew take the flight out and another take it back.The crew taking the flight back would sit on crew rest seats at the back of the aircraft for the o/b sector.

I dont really understand all there is about crew hours as one day we can do this...the next day we cant and then we can only do it if this happens.
Crewing always seem to have a way round it and you end up doing these sort of days anyway.


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