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smi0006 wrote:Yeah interesting where the divided between a QF & JQ is. Noticed on a recent JQ flight small items were QF branded too. And know a friend employed by QF in LAX who was sent to HNL to cover both QF and JQ flights.
However back to the point JQ/QF do seem to handle a crisis well, they get complaints about disrupts though. Recent DXB ones a few months back one wonders if this response in a disruptisn’t the national sport of slagging QF.
I think VA cancelled flights yesterday and today - no launch flights launched. Will be a nightmare to clear the back log!
So we're actually very optimistic about that service, it's actually performing at, or ahead of, our expectations and we think it's going to be a very, very strong route."
Qantas16 wrote:In the DXB case, didn't QF end up chartering an EK A380 to get them home? Not saying they never have disrupts and that everyone's treated perfectly, but they certainly seem to do better than most. I know from my own disrupt situation on JQ, I was put on a QF flight 4 hours later which was, relatively, a great fix.
Qantas16 wrote:
In the DXB case, didn't QF end up chartering an EK A380 to get them home? Not saying they never have disrupts and that everyone's treated perfectly, but they certainly seem to do better than most. I know from my own disrupt situation on JQ, I was put on a QF flight 4 hours later which was, relatively, a great fix.
qf789 wrote:BITRE for September is out
VA HKG flights, low 60% LFS both way
https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1709.pdf
qf789 wrote:The VN 787 is about to touch down in PER
waoz1 wrote:qf789 wrote:BITRE for September is out
VA HKG flights, low 60% LFS both way
https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1709.pdf
Don't seem to have any luck, is it because Chinese tourist just prefer to use their own carriers do we think?
You wait these services will be binned and another adhoc idea will come up.
waoz1 wrote:qf789 wrote:BITRE for September is out
VA HKG flights, low 60% LFS both way
https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1709.pdf
Don't seem to have any luck, is it because Chinese tourist just prefer to use their own carriers do we think?
You wait these services will be binned and another adhoc idea will come up.
Qantas16 wrote:American Airlines (LAX-SYD) maintained good load factors of 84% inbound and 91% outbound.
Qantas16 wrote:EVA Air (TPE-BNE) also had good load factors of 84%/89%- BNE market seems to be coping with recent increases in capacity to TPE.
Qantas16 wrote:VA HKG flights.
qf789 wrote:VH-SBW (50Y) QantasLink 1984 Livery - currently all white
planemanofnz wrote:Qantas16 wrote:EVA Air (TPE-BNE) also had good load factors of 84%/89%- BNE market seems to be coping with recent increases in capacity to TPE.
CI is only increasing TPE - BNE this month - wait until that is implemented, before judging the sustainability of BR's loads.
Qantas16 wrote:Actually, TPE capacity has increased significantly in the last few years already. Went from being 2x weekly BR and 3x weekly CI to being 4-5x weekly BR and 4-5x weekly CI - nearly double the capacity.
xiaotung wrote:Why would Chinese tourists choose to transfer in HKG when they have scores of direct services from even 3rd tier cities?
planemanofnz wrote:Qantas16 wrote:Actually, TPE capacity has increased significantly in the last few years already. Went from being 2x weekly BR and 3x weekly CI to being 4-5x weekly BR and 4-5x weekly CI - nearly double the capacity.
Oh, when you said "recent," I assumed that you meant more recent than a "few years" ago, or even 18 months ago, but okay.
BR will struggle to compete, based on product (CI's new A350), frequency (CI's new daily service), and code-shares (by QF).
planemanofnz wrote:xiaotung wrote:Why would Chinese tourists choose to transfer in HKG when they have scores of direct services from even 3rd tier cities?
Perhaps some of them are looking for a better quality product offering, or more flexible frequencies? Not that VA is strong on these.
In FY2017, CX was the largest one-stop competitor in the Australia - China market, with a 10% share of total bookings (as per OAG).
See: https://blueswandaily.com/rapid-chinese ... airasia-x/.
Cheers,
C.
Qantas16 wrote:BR will probably be flying B787s TPE/BNE by end of 2018planemanofnz wrote:Qantas16 wrote:Actually, TPE capacity has increased significantly in the last few years already. Went from being 2x weekly BR and 3x weekly CI to being 4-5x weekly BR and 4-5x weekly CI - nearly double the capacity.
Oh, when you said "recent," I assumed that you meant more recent than a "few years" ago, or even 18 months ago, but okay.
BR will struggle to compete, based on product (CI's new A350), frequency (CI's new daily service), and code-shares (by QF).
Well technically, as you can read in the articles, BR only increased in October 2016 and CI in September 2016 so both increases were within the last 12 months (of the BITRE figures) so I misspoke... I should have said "TPE capacity has increased significantly in the last year already" - which would be a realistic time frame for an airlines load factors to stabilise and I think that would fall in the realm of 'recent'.
USAOZ wrote:Qantas16 wrote:BR will probably be flying B787s TPE/BNE by end of 2018planemanofnz wrote:Oh, when you said "recent," I assumed that you meant more recent than a "few years" ago, or even 18 months ago, but okay.
BR will struggle to compete, based on product (CI's new A350), frequency (CI's new daily service), and code-shares (by QF).
Well technically, as you can read in the articles, BR only increased in October 2016 and CI in September 2016 so both increases were within the last 12 months (of the BITRE figures) so I misspoke... I should have said "TPE capacity has increased significantly in the last year already" - which would be a realistic time frame for an airlines load factors to stabilise and I think that would fall in the realm of 'recent'.
Qantas16 wrote:I can't say I'm an expert on BR's fleet plans but they have 9 A333's, would they not likely change to that? Per Wiki, they only have 4 789s on order and the rest are 787-10s - I wouldn't have thought they would order such a small fleet of 789s and then dedicate one of them to a relatively regional route whilst the 787-10 would be a big increase in capacity vs the A332.
planemanofnz wrote:Qantas16 wrote:I can't say I'm an expert on BR's fleet plans but they have 9 A333's, would they not likely change to that? Per Wiki, they only have 4 789s on order and the rest are 787-10s - I wouldn't have thought they would order such a small fleet of 789s and then dedicate one of them to a relatively regional route whilst the 787-10 would be a big increase in capacity vs the A332.
BR is comparatively weak in Australia, so it probably needs the cost efficiency of the 789 at BNE more than elsewhere.
Further, given the duration of TPE - BNE, BR need only dedicate 1x frame per day of operation to BNE (unlike to the US).
Cheers,
C.
xiaotung wrote:planemanofnz wrote:xiaotung wrote:Why would Chinese tourists choose to transfer in HKG when they have scores of direct services from even 3rd tier cities?
Perhaps some of them are looking for a better quality product offering, or more flexible frequencies? Not that VA is strong on these.
In FY2017, CX was the largest one-stop competitor in the Australia - China market, with a 10% share of total bookings (as per OAG).
See: https://blueswandaily.com/rapid-chinese ... airasia-x/.
Cheers,
C.
So VA would find it even more difficult competing with CX/KA. Those who are after quality and have brand awareness are far more likely to choose CX/KA which will give them more consistent offering from a single carrier group rather HX/HU-VA combination. HX also do not have the best reputation given recent scandal and many also consider it a LCC. Other than some O&D traffic, I just don't see VA attracting significant business from anyone else. VA would have a better chance surviving this route had they been in Star Alliance.
qf789 wrote:Both JQ and QF have cancelled all flights to DPS as the wind has changed and looks like another eruption is imminent
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/bali/b ... b88677555z
qf789 wrote:Effective 18 Dec 17 Qantas will expand codeshare with Srilankan
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2017/
qf2220 wrote:qf789 wrote:Effective 18 Dec 17 Qantas will expand codeshare with Srilankan
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2017/
I don't understand how QF benefits from having CMB-HKG and CMB-BKK flights here. I would have thought flights into India would have been far more useful.
Is there anything stopping QF and UL doing more for the India market? It has similarities to HKG and CX so might be competition issues, and Id see that UL may want to keep the traffic for itself but surely QF could push a huge volume of traffic via UL if it had flights into India?
Qantas16 wrote:It allows QF to route pax BNE/SYD-HKG/BKK-CMB... I would be very surprised if it was for MEL-CMB-HKG/BKK pax.
qf2220 wrote:Qantas16 wrote:It allows QF to route pax BNE/SYD-HKG/BKK-CMB... I would be very surprised if it was for MEL-CMB-HKG/BKK pax.
That makes sense for BKK, but not HKG - that would be a huge way out of the way and id expect pax would likely go via SIN on SG instead of HK. Im wondering if it was really just some throwaway routes so that both sides could say they had a win?
qf789 wrote:JQ/QF are operating 8 scheduled flights from DPS along with another 4 recovery flights according to Jetstars facebook page
Jetstar is also under fire as one of the recovery flights to PER on Thursday had 57 empty seats, of course these could have been no shows, people rebooking on other airlines etc
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/bali-vol ... b88678416z
log0008 wrote:qf2220 wrote:Qantas16 wrote:It allows QF to route pax BNE/SYD-HKG/BKK-CMB... I would be very surprised if it was for MEL-CMB-HKG/BKK pax.
That makes sense for BKK, but not HKG - that would be a huge way out of the way and id expect pax would likely go via SIN on SG instead of HK. Im wondering if it was really just some throwaway routes so that both sides could say they had a win?
HKG currently holds the largest market share of Australia - CMB traffic (Pre CMB-MEL direct)
aerokiwi wrote:The Honiara and PNG routes I can't explain. Presumably there's a profit in there somewhere and I'm assuming it's in freight? Have these routes always been 738s or have they been upgauged from E190s? Otherwise you'd think these would be up for the chop.