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CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:18 am
by USAOZ
with CBX can an airline land at TIJ with a large % of pax actually wanting to go to U.S. ?

https://www.crossborderxpress.com/

Are costs at TIJ less than at nearby SAN ?

Is TIJ less busy ?

Seems like an LCC might fly internationally to TIJ rather than SAN or is it a hassle for pax wanting to enter USA ?

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:14 am
by SANAV8R
with CBX can an airline land at TIJ with a large % of pax actually wanting to go to U.S.?


According to an article by the San Diego Union-Tribune from April 2016, the stats were that around 20 percent of the 14,000 passengers flying daily to TIJ used CBX, so around 3,000, for crossings. That article was published about 5 months after it had opened. It's now reaching its second anniversary.

Earlier this year in Politico it was reported that about 5,000 people use the CBX daily, with roughly equal traffic heading north and south. On January 2, 2017 CBX had a record 10,000 passengers pass through the facility.

Are costs at TIJ less than at nearby SAN ? Is TIJ less busy ?


Tijuana airport can grow a bit more than San Diego's airport. Plus it operates 24 hours a day. So the flights are spread out more. The airport is being improved with a revamp of the post-security area and increase of flights. By costs, do you mean airfare? I know that flights to say Mexico City are about half the cost at TIJ than SAN since there are four carriers serving multiple frequencies daily versus one carrier from the latter. If you meant costs like costs to the airlines, I'm not sure but I'd assume so since the labor climate is different than the U.S.

Tijuana offers the benefit of non-stops to major cities throughout Mexico with the costs being low since the flights are domestic and not subject to the same taxes as flights here. San Diego offers only service to resort destinations on Mexico's Pacific coast (and one token MEX flight on AS).

Seems like an LCC might fly internationally to TIJ rather than SAN or is it a hassle for pax wanting to enter USA ?


(link in Spanish only) Volaris' Costa Rican subsidiary has started flights to Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua. Right now the bridge seems to be more popular with Mexican originating passengers. San Diego area flyers probably still think to fly out of Tijuana means a long trek to the border and long lines or that carriers aren't up to par.

Maybe Norwegian could start a Mexican subsidiary and market the airport as a bi-national destination. Fly to TIJ and be able to cross the border to see San Diego and then L.A., Las Vegas, Disneyland, the Grand Canyon, etc.

Granted I've thought it would be the perfect place for an Asian carrier to stop on the way to South America. China/Korea to TIJ to Brazil/Chile/Argentina and have the benefit of serving San Diego. If they built a special transit/international pier, it'd be easier than trying to transit through say the U.S. for some.

But with the way the growth is going, I could see a parking garage (or two), hotels and rental car center being opened eventually. I know parking is a big issue right now and the area around is still very industrial and can be daunting with all the trucks in the area.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:49 am
by bw50505
Unless something has changed, Hainan is starting service to TIJ at the start of 2018 which to take advantage of the CBX to get San Diego pax who want to fly direct to China.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:59 pm
by LAXintl
CBX has really zero to do with the airlines, its all up to the passenger. A flight would be to Mexico, and then passenger would choose instead of entering Mexican immigration to head to the skywalk bridge, pay their $16 one-way fee to cross and clear US CBP instead.

On return its basically the reverse, though some airlines also have ticket counters on US end to issue boarding pass before paying and crossing the bridge.

Though keep in mind, I am not sure airlines would particularly opt to use TIJ simply in lieu of a SAN flight, as Mexican airports (and services like fuel) can be costly. Mexican airports are not known for being low cost by any means in global terms. In addition, you obviously will lose a segment of travelers that would avoid the entire process since the flight is to/from Mexico.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:52 am
by USAOZ
LAXintl wrote:
CBX has really zero to do with the airlines, its all up to the passenger. A flight would be to Mexico, and then passenger would choose instead of entering Mexican immigration to head to the skywalk bridge, pay their $16 one-way fee to cross and clear US CBP instead.

On return its basically the reverse, though some airlines also have ticket counters on US end to issue boarding pass before paying and crossing the bridge.

Though keep in mind, I am not sure airlines would particularly opt to use TIJ simply in lieu of a SAN flight, as Mexican airports (and services like fuel) can be costly. Mexican airports are not known for being low cost by any means in global terms. In addition, you obviously will lose a segment of travelers that would avoid the entire process since the flight is to/from Mexico.
surely it would be appealing to a medium or long haul LCC or ULCC that wanted to avoid SAN or even LAX/ONT. They could advertise 2 destinations San Diego & Tijuana in the one flight.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:17 am
by bzcat
Problem with thinking long haul LCC wants to serve TIJ is that basically there is no impediment for them to set up shop at LAX or SAN, nevermind ONT.

Someone like AirAsiaX, should they ever decide to fly to the US mainland, will surely just go to LAX or SAN. There are no slot restriction, land fee are reasonable, transportation is easy (vs. taking a bus to middle of no where on the Mexican border)

Norwegian had no trouble starting up at LAX at all... why would they contemplate going to TIJ?

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:34 am
by mercure1
USAOZ wrote:
surely it would be appealing to a medium or long haul LCC or ULCC that wanted to avoid SAN or even LAX/ONT. They could advertise 2 destinations San Diego & Tijuana in the one flight.


I am not sure why an airline would like to avoid those airports, especially when bulk of traffic demand is US origin?

Do you really think travelers will drive 250km from Los Angeles basin to Tijuana to catch a LCC flight, when there are so many existing options at airport like LAX?

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:11 am
by zakuivcustom
USAOZ wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
CBX has really zero to do with the airlines, its all up to the passenger. A flight would be to Mexico, and then passenger would choose instead of entering Mexican immigration to head to the skywalk bridge, pay their $16 one-way fee to cross and clear US CBP instead.

On return its basically the reverse, though some airlines also have ticket counters on US end to issue boarding pass before paying and crossing the bridge.

Though keep in mind, I am not sure airlines would particularly opt to use TIJ simply in lieu of a SAN flight, as Mexican airports (and services like fuel) can be costly. Mexican airports are not known for being low cost by any means in global terms. In addition, you obviously will lose a segment of travelers that would avoid the entire process since the flight is to/from Mexico.
surely it would be appealing to a medium or long haul LCC or ULCC that wanted to avoid SAN or even LAX/ONT. They could advertise 2 destinations San Diego & Tijuana in the one flight.


Except it was already mentioned that TIJ is not exactly a "low cost" airport itself. Whatever money an airline saved by operating to TIJ (if they even save any) is totally offset by the drop in demand since people doesn't want the hassle.

The main purpose of CBX is for Mexican traffic anyway. No longer has to pay the transborder tax, and the options to Mexican destinations out of TIJ is just much greater.

P.S. And international demand to SAN itself is just not even that big to begin with. You would have more than a flight to LHR and a flight to NRT if the demand is that big.
P.S. For possible long-haul LCC airport in LA area, ONT or even SBD is already there and both airports are MUCH closer to LA.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:49 am
by USAOZ
mercure1 wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
surely it would be appealing to a medium or long haul LCC or ULCC that wanted to avoid SAN or even LAX/ONT. They could advertise 2 destinations San Diego & Tijuana in the one flight.


I am not sure why an airline would like to avoid those airports, especially when bulk of traffic demand is US origin?

Do you really think travelers will drive 250km from Los Angeles basin to Tijuana to catch a LCC flight, when there are so many existing options at airport like LAX?

all about cost. Are there currently any LCC's heading west from LAX region ? to Asia, South Pacific ? (French Blue to start SFO/PPT in 2018)

The southwest effect - says people will drive for 2 hours to save $1.

LAX/CBX is almost exactly 2 hours drive (225kms) & plenty of people live south of LAX.

Something like 3.5 million in San Diego region alone.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:48 am
by FA9295
bw50505 wrote:
Unless something has changed, Hainan is starting service to TIJ at the start of 2018 which to take advantage of the CBX to get San Diego pax who want to fly direct to China.

Since when has Hainan announced a route to TIJ...?

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:02 am
by RTWin10
The costs via TIJ must be prohibitive as I’m shocked that Philippine Airlines doesn’t use TIJ to MNL nonstop.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:29 pm
by lesfalls
FA9295 wrote:
bw50505 wrote:
Unless something has changed, Hainan is starting service to TIJ at the start of 2018 which to take advantage of the CBX to get San Diego pax who want to fly direct to China.

Since when has Hainan announced a route to TIJ...?

It wouldn't not be the the first long haul flight for TIJ. AMX operates some flights from TIJ to NRT and are bookable if i'm not mistaken.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:47 pm
by SANMAN66
zakuivcustom wrote:
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international demand to SAN itself is just not even that big to begin with. You would have more than a flight to LHR and a flight to NRT if the demand is that big.
.


What about Edelweiss Air? Lufthansa (coming in 2018)? Westjet,and Air Canada? Granted wer'e not LAX, but we do have significant int'l service
at SAN.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:48 pm
by Polot
USAOZ wrote:
all about cost. Are there currently any LCC's heading west from LAX region ? to Asia, South Pacific ? (French Blue to start SFO/PPT in 2018)

But TIJ really isn't cheaper to operate out of than LAX and other airports in the region while being further away from the bulk of the market.

lesfalls wrote:
It wouldn't not be the the first long haul flight for TIJ. AMX operates some flights from TIJ to NRT and are bookable if i'm not mistaken.

It is AM's PVG flight, and it only stops at TIJ because MEX's heat/elevation makes a nonstop impractical. The return flight from PVG is nonstop straight to MEX skipping over TIJ (in other words, the flight operates MEX-TIJ-PVG-MEX).

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:56 pm
by SANMAN66
lesfalls wrote:
AMX operates some flights from TIJ to NRT and are bookable if i'm not mistaken.


Aeromexico used to do MEX-TIJ-NRT-MEX, after they got their 787s, It's been nonstop MEX-NRT and back.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:07 pm
by SANFan
As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, the CBX is most appropriate for Mexico travel from SoCal. I don't think it will ever become a viable option for int'l travel to other parts of the world. I don't really know the bottom-line costs comparison of travelling between, say, China and San Diego via TIJ, or LAX, or TYO -- I suspect it won't be much different -- but I can't see many people using TIJ + the CBX as the most convenient way to make the trip. (That's assuming there is a China-TIJ nonstop flight coming.)

bb

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:42 pm
by USAOZ
SANFan wrote:
As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, the CBX is most appropriate for Mexico travel from SoCal. I don't think it will ever become a viable option for int'l travel to other parts of the world. I don't really know the bottom-line costs comparison of travelling between, say, China and San Diego via TIJ, or LAX, or TYO -- I suspect it won't be much different -- but I can't see many people using TIJ + the CBX as the most convenient way to make the trip. (That's assuming there is a China-TIJ nonstop flight coming.)

bb
surely if you lived anywhere near San Diego or even just south of LAX, CBX would be a much better option if heading to China, than ANY flight out of the mess that is LAX. Who likes congested airports, where everything(food/drinks/goods are usually very expensive).

I have never used CBX, but from sound of it, I'd use CBX, even if I lived walking distance from LAX.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:12 pm
by jetero
The bottom line for travelers is that flying TIJ-GDL or MEX versus SAN to either is you don't pay ~$100 in Mexican and U.S. international travel taxes. It's really that simple.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:48 pm
by USAOZ
jetero wrote:
The bottom line for travelers is that flying TIJ-GDL or MEX versus SAN to either is you don't pay ~$100 in Mexican and U.S. international travel taxes. It's really that simple.
& as a result, many more "domestic" Mexican flights than SAN/Mexico flights.

+ isn't TIJ much less congested than SAN ?

$100 makes a huge difference to a family when you multiply it by each member of family + fact it would suit LCC's, who have lower fares than legacies, especially for those who have learn to carry less luggage.

SAN & CBX are very close, less than 23 miles by road(37 kms)

According to the old Southwest "rule" many pax will drive up to 2 hours to save $5.

CBX sounds much less busy than SAN.

At less busy airports TSA are often less stressed as well.

So CBX sounds like a win, win,win situation.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:08 am
by LAXintl
Its one thing to utilize Tijuana for domestic Mexico flights to save a little money (remember one still has to pay to use the bridge), it wholly another thing to believe people will go to Mexico en masse to access longhaul international services to 3rd nations. Frankly, the notion of going to Mexico likely will turn off many.

Also the entire premise that foreign LCC would serve TIJ instead of a US SoCal airport when the bulk of their market would be US residents and there are zero real restrictions of using US airports like SAN, ONT or LAX is rather a bizarre conclusion as well.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:18 am
by mercure1
I dont see why this fetish with using TIJ?

Its not like any US airport in the region is slot restricted or has other restrictions that make additional services a no-go.

Anyhow as mentioned, going to Mexico to reach the US is indeed likely a negative for a good portion of travelers both in and outside the US. Regardless of what reality is, Mexico does not exactly have the best global reputation for personal safety and travel security.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:21 am
by zakuivcustom
SANMAN66 wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
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international demand to SAN itself is just not even that big to begin with. You would have more than a flight to LHR and a flight to NRT if the demand is that big.
.


What about Edelweiss Air? Lufthansa (coming in 2018)? Westjet,and Air Canada? Granted wer'e not LAX, but we do have significant int'l service
at SAN.


I guess I should have been more clear. I was trying to make the point that SAN international demand is just not big enough to the point where two airports, with one across the border, is required to handle international traffic.

LAXintl wrote:
Its one thing to utilize Tijuana for domestic Mexico flights to save a little money (remember one still has to pay to use the bridge), it wholly another thing to believe people will go to Mexico en masse to access longhaul international services to 3rd nations. Frankly, the notion of going to Mexico likely will turn off many.

Also the entire premise that foreign LCC would serve TIJ instead of a US SoCal airport when the bulk of their market would be US residents and there are zero real restrictions of using US airports like SAN, ONT or LAX is rather a bizarre conclusion as well.


To add on, long haul wise the demand is from LA would be a ton greater than SD no matter what. No LAX? Last I check ONT has been trying to get any international traffic HARD, yet everyone (except CI) still decided to fly into LAX.

Still not good enough? There is a giant empty field call SBD that would take any traffic they can get. Call it San Bernardino/LA East and we are good to go. :rotfl:

Lastly, pax really save nothing if they are flying international (aka any non-Mexican destination) from TIJ. The transborder tax would applied, along with the fee to use CBX.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:56 am
by SANFan
jetero wrote:
The bottom line for travelers is that flying TIJ-GDL or MEX versus SAN to either is you don't pay ~$100 in Mexican and U.S. international travel taxes. It's really that simple.

Starting about 1 month ago, AS has decided to find out for sure how important that $100 savings is to those flying from SAN to MEX by sending 76 seats daily r/t between the 2 cities. (Keep in mind that AS made the decision to apply for MEX-SAN/LAX/SFO during the recent Mexico City air service case when they could have selected any cities, including SEA. Knowing AAG as I do, that choice was made after lots of research and hard thinking, undoubtedly feeling that SAN-MEX nonstop would work!) And I've been saying for years that if a reliable, well-liked U.S. carrier started service from SAN to MEX and GDL, U.S. passengers would use them -- just as they do to the several Cabo and PVR flights! (Despite the cost difference.)
So, I agree with your assessment -- it is simple. All we need to do is watch AS to see how important that choice of saving $100 versus convenience and the travel experience really is.

USAOZ wrote:
SANFan wrote:
As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, the CBX is most appropriate for Mexico travel from SoCal. I don't think it will ever become a viable option for int'l travel to other parts of the world. I don't really know the bottom-line costs comparison of travelling between, say, China and San Diego via TIJ, or LAX, or TYO -- I suspect it won't be much different -- but I can't see many people using TIJ + the CBX as the most convenient way to make the trip. (That's assuming there is a China-TIJ nonstop flight coming.)

bb

Surely if you lived anywhere near San Diego or even just south of LAX, CBX would be a much better option if heading to China, than ANY flight out of the mess that is LAX. Who likes congested airports, where everything(food/drinks/goods are usually very expensive). I have never used CBX, but from sound of it, I'd use CBX, even if I lived walking distance from LAX.


I agree with you and avoid LAX unless it is the ONLY option available. So replace "LAX" with SFO, SEA, YVR, etc., in my statement above.

IF there were an intercontinental flight from SAN and from TIJ to the same destination, which would you prefer then? (Assuming the costs were similar?)

I think the discussion is really more concerned with SAN-residents. If a foreign flag wants to fly into SoCal, besides the LA-area, as well as the border region of Mexico, given the vast improvement to the FIS facilities at Lindbergh Field to be available next June, excepting some special circumstances, I would guess SAN would be the airport of choice.

If a particular carrier wanted/had to fly certain aircraft to the area (that Lindbergh would be impractical for), or absolutely wanted/needed to depart this area between midnight and 6am, or had a lot more potential customers south of the border, then sure, they would fly in and out of Rodriguez in TIJ. And of course if the cost of serving TIJ were significantly less than serving the U.S. via SAN, a carrier could choose to use TIJ. But if none of these circumstances were present, then I can't think of any reason that a cx would desire to use TIJ instead of SAN.

BA. JL, LH, DE, WK, AC, and WS have all made the decision to serve SAN rather than TIJ. (And does anyone think the decision would have been any different if the CBX had been built 6 years ago?

bb

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:58 am
by bw50505
FA9295 wrote:
bw50505 wrote:
Unless something has changed, Hainan is starting service to TIJ at the start of 2018 which to take advantage of the CBX to get San Diego pax who want to fly direct to China.

Since when has Hainan announced a route to TIJ...?
I said unless something has changed for a reason. Hainan did apply to serve TIJ from PEK (I incorrectly recalled they announced it, they didnt) with plans to start in Jan 2017. Obviously it never happened. There was a thread about it back in 2016.

Time flies when you're a student I guess (I don't flow aviation as much anymore).

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:58 am
by USAOZ
SANFan wrote:
jetero wrote:
The bottom line for travelers is that flying TIJ-GDL or MEX versus SAN to either is you don't pay ~$100 in Mexican and U.S. international travel taxes. It's really that simple.

Starting about 1 month ago, AS has decided to find out for sure how important that $100 savings is to those flying from SAN to MEX by sending 76 seats daily r/t between the 2 cities. (Keep in mind that AS made the decision to apply for MEX-SAN/LAX/SFO during the recent Mexico City air service case when they could have selected any cities, including SEA. Knowing AAG as I do, that choice was made after lots of research and hard thinking, undoubtedly feeling that SAN-MEX nonstop would work!) And I've been saying for years that if a reliable, well-liked U.S. carrier started service from SAN to MEX and GDL, U.S. passengers would use them -- just as they do to the several Cabo and PVR flights! (Despite the cost difference.)
So, I agree with your assessment -- it is simple. All we need to do is watch AS to see how important that choice of saving $100 versus convenience and the travel experience really is.

USAOZ wrote:
SANFan wrote:
As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, the CBX is most appropriate for Mexico travel from SoCal. I don't think it will ever become a viable option for int'l travel to other parts of the world. I don't really know the bottom-line costs comparison of travelling between, say, China and San Diego via TIJ, or LAX, or TYO -- I suspect it won't be much different -- but I can't see many people using TIJ + the CBX as the most convenient way to make the trip. (That's assuming there is a China-TIJ nonstop flight coming.)

bb

Surely if you lived anywhere near San Diego or even just south of LAX, CBX would be a much better option if heading to China, than ANY flight out of the mess that is LAX. Who likes congested airports, where everything(food/drinks/goods are usually very expensive). I have never used CBX, but from sound of it, I'd use CBX, even if I lived walking distance from LAX.


I agree with you and avoid LAX unless it is the ONLY option available. So replace "LAX" with SFO, SEA, YVR, etc., in my statement above.

IF there were an intercontinental flight from SAN and from TIJ to the same destination, which would you prefer then? (Assuming the costs were similar?)

I think the discussion is really more concerned with SAN-residents. If a foreign flag wants to fly into SoCal, besides the LA-area, as well as the border region of Mexico, given the vast improvement to the FIS facilities at Lindbergh Field to be available next June, excepting some special circumstances, I would guess SAN would be the airport of choice.

If a particular carrier wanted/had to fly certain aircraft to the area (that Lindbergh would be impractical for), or absolutely wanted/needed to depart this area between midnight and 6am, or had a lot more potential customers south of the border, then sure, they would fly in and out of Rodriguez in TIJ. And of course if the cost of serving TIJ were significantly less than serving the U.S. via SAN, a carrier could choose to use TIJ. But if none of these circumstances were present, then I can't think of any reason that a cx would desire to use TIJ instead of SAN.

BA. JL, LH, DE, WK, AC, and WS have all made the decision to serve SAN rather than TIJ. (And does anyone think the decision would have been any different if the CBX had been built 6 years ago?

bb

it's not like any San Diego resident has to cross the border to Mexico by road. They simply have to walk across a pedestrian only bridge at CBX to TIJ, which is shorter in many cases than walking to a gate at a busy airport.

To me sounds perfect for a LCC or ULCC. At many airports LCC's don't even use airbridges. Look at OOL roughly 90 mins drive from BNE. it has no airbridges to use whatsoever. The terminal is all on one level, so construction was cheap. LCC's like Scoot & Air Asia X flies to OOL & don't fly to much busier BNE + lots of Jetstar flights to NZL ports from OOL, that don't fly from BNE. Note: there's no restriction on access to 2ndary airports in Australia(like OOL) whereas primary airports like BNE, SYD, MEL etc. have restrictions. Scoot fly to SYD as Sydney currently has no 2nd airport(will in 8-10 years) & CBR & NTL are over 2 hours drive away. There is now a 2nd international airport in MEL (AVV- which has been used as a maintenance base by likes of QF & has long runway) & am sure we'll see it being used by LCC's internationally soon.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:42 am
by zakuivcustom
USAOZ wrote:
SANFan wrote:
jetero wrote:
The bottom line for travelers is that flying TIJ-GDL or MEX versus SAN to either is you don't pay ~$100 in Mexican and U.S. international travel taxes. It's really that simple.

Starting about 1 month ago, AS has decided to find out for sure how important that $100 savings is to those flying from SAN to MEX by sending 76 seats daily r/t between the 2 cities. (Keep in mind that AS made the decision to apply for MEX-SAN/LAX/SFO during the recent Mexico City air service case when they could have selected any cities, including SEA. Knowing AAG as I do, that choice was made after lots of research and hard thinking, undoubtedly feeling that SAN-MEX nonstop would work!) And I've been saying for years that if a reliable, well-liked U.S. carrier started service from SAN to MEX and GDL, U.S. passengers would use them -- just as they do to the several Cabo and PVR flights! (Despite the cost difference.)
So, I agree with your assessment -- it is simple. All we need to do is watch AS to see how important that choice of saving $100 versus convenience and the travel experience really is.

USAOZ wrote:
Surely if you lived anywhere near San Diego or even just south of LAX, CBX would be a much better option if heading to China, than ANY flight out of the mess that is LAX. Who likes congested airports, where everything(food/drinks/goods are usually very expensive). I have never used CBX, but from sound of it, I'd use CBX, even if I lived walking distance from LAX.


I agree with you and avoid LAX unless it is the ONLY option available. So replace "LAX" with SFO, SEA, YVR, etc., in my statement above.

IF there were an intercontinental flight from SAN and from TIJ to the same destination, which would you prefer then? (Assuming the costs were similar?)

I think the discussion is really more concerned with SAN-residents. If a foreign flag wants to fly into SoCal, besides the LA-area, as well as the border region of Mexico, given the vast improvement to the FIS facilities at Lindbergh Field to be available next June, excepting some special circumstances, I would guess SAN would be the airport of choice.

If a particular carrier wanted/had to fly certain aircraft to the area (that Lindbergh would be impractical for), or absolutely wanted/needed to depart this area between midnight and 6am, or had a lot more potential customers south of the border, then sure, they would fly in and out of Rodriguez in TIJ. And of course if the cost of serving TIJ were significantly less than serving the U.S. via SAN, a carrier could choose to use TIJ. But if none of these circumstances were present, then I can't think of any reason that a cx would desire to use TIJ instead of SAN.

BA. JL, LH, DE, WK, AC, and WS have all made the decision to serve SAN rather than TIJ. (And does anyone think the decision would have been any different if the CBX had been built 6 years ago?

bb

it's not like any San Diego resident has to cross the border to Mexico by road. They simply have to walk across a pedestrian only bridge at CBX to TIJ, which is shorter in many cases than walking to a gate at a busy airport.

To me sounds perfect for a LCC or ULCC. At many airports LCC's don't even use airbridges. Look at OOL roughly 90 mins drive from BNE. it has no airbridges to use whatsoever. The terminal is all on one level, so construction was cheap. LCC's like Scoot & Air Asia X flies to OOL & don't fly to much busier BNE + lots of Jetstar flights to NZL ports from OOL, that don't fly from BNE. Note: there's no restriction on access to 2ndary airports in Australia(like OOL) whereas primary airports like BNE, SYD, MEL etc. have restrictions. Scoot fly to SYD as Sydney currently has no 2nd airport(will in 8-10 years) & CBR & NTL are over 2 hours drive away. There is now a 2nd international airport in MEL (AVV- which has been used as a maintenance base by likes of QF & has long runway) & am sure we'll see it being used by LCC's internationally soon.


Except it's NOT just walking across the bridge. Essentially if you're flying into TIJ on international flight, you first go through Mexican border control/custom, then go through US border control/custom. I just don't see how much faster that is. For some countries (mainland China, for example), it's actually an additional visa.

Not to mention, it had already been mentioned a few times that operating at TIJ is not that much cheaper than SAN.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:33 am
by SANAV8R
My thought is that say the cost savings were greater than serving SAN directly, I don't see why (in a few years) that a long haul low cost carrier couldn't serve TIJ by marketing it as a bi-national destination. If they also formed an alliance with a Mexican carrier or opted to start a subsidiary in Mexico (like Norwegian has done in Argentina) they could offer connections to MEX, GDL, CUN, SJD, etc as well as offer passengers a port of entry to the U.S.


zakuivcustom wrote:
P.S. And international demand to SAN itself is just not even that big to begin with. You would have more than a flight to LHR and a flight to NRT if the demand is that big.
P.S. For possible long-haul LCC airport in LA area, ONT or even SBD is already there and both airports are MUCH closer to LA.


Well San Diego does have international demand that has grown and is growing. But it was limited until a few years ago by economy, our own physical constraints, and the range of suitable planes. I don't think that SAN airport authority would invest as much as they have to attract regularly scheduled service. LHR, NRT, FRA and seasonal ZRH alongside a host of Canadian and Mexican destinations is a pretty nice start. Plus like always there is spillage of the market to LAX still.

zakuivcustom wrote:
Except it's NOT just walking across the bridge. Essentially if you're flying into TIJ on international flight, you first go through Mexican border control/custom, then go through US border control/custom. I just don't see how much faster that is. For some countries (mainland China, for example), it's actually an additional visa.


Actually if a Chinese passport has a valid United States Visa they do not need a visa for Mexico.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:42 am
by USAOZ
zakuivcustom wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
SANFan wrote:
Starting about 1 month ago, AS has decided to find out for sure how important that $100 savings is to those flying from SAN to MEX by sending 76 seats daily r/t between the 2 cities. (Keep in mind that AS made the decision to apply for MEX-SAN/LAX/SFO during the recent Mexico City air service case when they could have selected any cities, including SEA. Knowing AAG as I do, that choice was made after lots of research and hard thinking, undoubtedly feeling that SAN-MEX nonstop would work!) And I've been saying for years that if a reliable, well-liked U.S. carrier started service from SAN to MEX and GDL, U.S. passengers would use them -- just as they do to the several Cabo and PVR flights! (Despite the cost difference.)
So, I agree with your assessment -- it is simple. All we need to do is watch AS to see how important that choice of saving $100 versus convenience and the travel experience really is.



I agree with you and avoid LAX unless it is the ONLY option available. So replace "LAX" with SFO, SEA, YVR, etc., in my statement above.

IF there were an intercontinental flight from SAN and from TIJ to the same destination, which would you prefer then? (Assuming the costs were similar?)

I think the discussion is really more concerned with SAN-residents. If a foreign flag wants to fly into SoCal, besides the LA-area, as well as the border region of Mexico, given the vast improvement to the FIS facilities at Lindbergh Field to be available next June, excepting some special circumstances, I would guess SAN would be the airport of choice.

If a particular carrier wanted/had to fly certain aircraft to the area (that Lindbergh would be impractical for), or absolutely wanted/needed to depart this area between midnight and 6am, or had a lot more potential customers south of the border, then sure, they would fly in and out of Rodriguez in TIJ. And of course if the cost of serving TIJ were significantly less than serving the U.S. via SAN, a carrier could choose to use TIJ. But if none of these circumstances were present, then I can't think of any reason that a cx would desire to use TIJ instead of SAN.

BA. JL, LH, DE, WK, AC, and WS have all made the decision to serve SAN rather than TIJ. (And does anyone think the decision would have been any different if the CBX had been built 6 years ago?

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it's not like any San Diego resident has to cross the border to Mexico by road. They simply have to walk across a pedestrian only bridge at CBX to TIJ, which is shorter in many cases than walking to a gate at a busy airport.

To me sounds perfect for a LCC or ULCC. At many airports LCC's don't even use airbridges. Look at OOL roughly 90 mins drive from BNE. it has no airbridges to use whatsoever. The terminal is all on one level, so construction was cheap. LCC's like Scoot & Air Asia X flies to OOL & don't fly to much busier BNE + lots of Jetstar flights to NZL ports from OOL, that don't fly from BNE. Note: there's no restriction on access to 2ndary airports in Australia(like OOL) whereas primary airports like BNE, SYD, MEL etc. have restrictions. Scoot fly to SYD as Sydney currently has no 2nd airport(will in 8-10 years) & CBR & NTL are over 2 hours drive away. There is now a 2nd international airport in MEL (AVV- which has been used as a maintenance base by likes of QF & has long runway) & am sure we'll see it being used by LCC's internationally soon.


Except it's NOT just walking across the bridge. Essentially if you're flying into TIJ on international flight, you first go through Mexican border control/custom, then go through US border control/custom. I just don't see how much faster that is. For some countries (mainland China, for example), it's actually an additional visa.

Not to mention, it had already been mentioned a few times that operating at TIJ is not that much cheaper than SAN.

no, no, no. If flying into TIJ & wanting to go to San Diego side, you don't go through Mexican border control or customs. You go through U.S. border control/customs only, which is why it's much easier than actually landing in USA.

So any airline(internationally), although think it would suit an LCC, could say we fly from X city to USA(CBX) & Mexico (TIJ) at the same time/same flight.

For example, a Canadian or Mexican LCC might want to fly Vancouver to San Diego, but rather than fly YVR/SAN(don't think a Mexican carrier would gets traffic rights for this), they could actually fly YXX(Abbotsford)/CBX(San Diego) & also say YXX/TIJ. Same flight, different destinations.

or they might fly BLI/CBX ?

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:24 am
by amadorE175
USAOZ wrote:
no, no, no. If flying into TIJ & wanting to go to San Diego side, you don't go through Mexican border control or customs. You go through U.S. border control/customs only, which is why it's much easier than actually landing in USA.

So any airline(internationally), although think it would suit an LCC, could say we fly from X city to USA(CBX) & Mexico (TIJ) at the same time/same flight.

For example, a Canadian or Mexican LCC might want to fly Vancouver to San Diego, but rather than fly YVR/SAN(don't think a Mexican carrier would gets traffic rights for this), they could actually fly YXX(Abbotsford)/CBX(San Diego) & also say YXX/TIJ. Same flight, different destinations.

or they might fly BLI/CBX ?


I'm not sure I follow why going through customs at the CBX would be better than landing in the USA. I also question why would any airline be interested in the dual marketing of SAN/TIJ? There are no North American flights from north of the US-Mexican border into TIJ. TIJ is not a desirable destination in the same way as SJD, PVR, and the like.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:34 am
by USAOZ
amadorE175 wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
no, no, no. If flying into TIJ & wanting to go to San Diego side, you don't go through Mexican border control or customs. You go through U.S. border control/customs only, which is why it's much easier than actually landing in USA.

So any airline(internationally), although think it would suit an LCC, could say we fly from X city to USA(CBX) & Mexico (TIJ) at the same time/same flight.

For example, a Canadian or Mexican LCC might want to fly Vancouver to San Diego, but rather than fly YVR/SAN(don't think a Mexican carrier would gets traffic rights for this), they could actually fly YXX(Abbotsford)/CBX(San Diego) & also say YXX/TIJ. Same flight, different destinations.

or they might fly BLI/CBX ?


I'm not sure I follow why going through customs at the CBX would be better than landing in the USA. I also question why would any airline be interested in the dual marketing of SAN/TIJ? There are no North American flights from north of the US-Mexican border into TIJ. TIJ is not a desirable destination in the same way as SJD, PVR, and the like.

apparently CBX/TIJ is much less busy than SAN, so quicker to get out of airport(if not flying domestically in USA)

Mexicans can fly out of TIJ. Americans can fly out of CBX stress free, cf. any USA airport. A long haul LCC would like the fact that they could say they fly to USA(CBX) & Mexico(TIJ). think a TIJ to Canada flight would be much easier & cheaper on a LCC than a SAN/Canada on a LCC.

Currently there are no LCC's flying Australia to USA mainland or Mexico(only SYD/HNL & MEL/HNL on JQ). An LCC flying Australia to CBX/TIJ would be a 1st, with the probable need for a tech stop en route.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:58 am
by SANMAN66
Volaris discontinued their TIJ-OAK flight, I suspect that it made better sense to go to SAN
and choose several nonstops to OAK on WN or AS, Volaris also discontinued SAN-GDL/MEX
because it made better sense to go to TIJ and choose a wide selection of flights to GDL/MEX
on Volaris, Aeromexico, Interjet,etc. SAN & TIJ complement each other, CBX simply makes it
easier to catch those Mexican flights.San Diegans are not going to go to TIJ to catch int'l flights,
they either go to SAN or get a huge selection int'l flights at LAX.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:59 am
by SANAV8R
USAOZ wrote:
apparently CBX/TIJ is much less busy than SAN, so quicker to get out of airport(if not flying domestically in USA)

Mexicans can fly out of TIJ. Americans can fly out of CBX stress free, cf. any USA airport. A long haul LCC would like the fact that they could say they fly to USA(CBX) & Mexico(TIJ). think a TIJ to Canada flight would be much easier & cheaper on a LCC than a SAN/Canada on a LCC.

Currently there are no LCC's flying Australia to USA mainland or Mexico(only SYD/HNL & MEL/HNL on JQ). An LCC flying Australia to CBX/TIJ would be a 1st, with the probable need for a tech stop en route.



That's where I disagree, a flight from Tijuana to Canada and vice versa is not going to be easier than to the U.S. Preclearance exists at most major Canadian airports, theoretically enabling more convenient travel from those cities to the United States. Why would say Westjet add a hassle to its passengers of clearing Mexican customs and then U.S. customs when they can pre clear and the board a regular flight and arrive just as a domestic flight in SAN?

International flights must clear customs and immigration upon arrival to TIJ as it is the port of entry and then go to CBX. The CBX is not exactly huge. There aren't as many lanes as a major international airport and it can get busy at some times but what helps is that it and TIJ are open 24 hours so it does space out the arrivals more so but the U.S. (and Mexican) customs & immigration is essentially a few lanes on each side.

Australia long haul LCCs seem to stretch from AU to popular destinations in SE Asia/Pacific, the economics don't work at this point for Mainland US/Australia. And they would certainly choose LAX (then SFO, LAS and if they could SAN) before TIJ - no legacy Australian carrier serves Mexico at this point they wouldn't choose TIJ at this point.

I'm thinking that the LCCs would come from South and Latin America if anything, I'm thinking carriers like Wingo or VivaColumbia with narrow bodies for less than daily service where their price conscious clientele wouldn't be opposed to then getting on a bus to continue their journey to LA basin.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:06 am
by USAOZ
maybe Canada/CBX was a bad example.

Iif you fly to TIJ & exit via CBX you don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration.


go to

https://www.crossborderxpress.com/travel-requirements

& it says ...

"CBX is an international border crossing, and all standard international requirements apply.

The skywalk is only accessible to ticketed Tijuana Airport passengers who have boarding passes for flights departing within 24 hours or having arrived within 2 hours. You'll be required to go through U.S. Customs & Border Protection if you are traveling north, and Mexican Customs & Border Protection if you are traveling south."

So you either enter USA or Mexico, but for USA you don't go anywhere near Mexican customs/immigration.

One of the 1st LCC long hauls Canada 3000, were very successful flying direct YVR/BNE. SEP11 happened & killed them.

If SEP11 hadn't happened, suspect Canada 3000 would be far bigger than AC now.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:23 am
by SANAV8R
USAOZ wrote:
if you fly to TIJ & exit via CBX you don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration.


Yes, you are not subject to a Mexican customs and immigration if you arrive on a domestic flight. I have only arrived on domestic flights in the A concourse. They have the baggage claim in a secure area and you essentially get your bag and either walk to the CBX ticket area or walk past an armed guard and walk through two automatic doors to the main arrivals hall in TIJ.

But yes there are no "exit" Mexican customs & immigration at the CBX. Just U.S. CBP.

However, what I am assuming is that the process is different if an international flight arrives at TIJ. The one international flight (from PVG) arrives at the B concourse and theoretically an international flight should clear Mexican customs and immigration as the destination is Mexico. The passengers would then cross the land border into the U.S. via CBX. So they would have two sets of customs & immigration.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:32 am
by Polot
USAOZ wrote:
amadorE175 wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
no, no, no. If flying into TIJ & wanting to go to San Diego side, you don't go through Mexican border control or customs. You go through U.S. border control/customs only, which is why it's much easier than actually landing in USA.

So any airline(internationally), although think it would suit an LCC, could say we fly from X city to USA(CBX) & Mexico (TIJ) at the same time/same flight.

For example, a Canadian or Mexican LCC might want to fly Vancouver to San Diego, but rather than fly YVR/SAN(don't think a Mexican carrier would gets traffic rights for this), they could actually fly YXX(Abbotsford)/CBX(San Diego) & also say YXX/TIJ. Same flight, different destinations.

or they might fly BLI/CBX ?


I'm not sure I follow why going through customs at the CBX would be better than landing in the USA. I also question why would any airline be interested in the dual marketing of SAN/TIJ? There are no North American flights from north of the US-Mexican border into TIJ. TIJ is not a desirable destination in the same way as SJD, PVR, and the like.

apparently CBX/TIJ is much less busy than SAN, so quicker to get out of airport(if not flying domestically in USA)

Mexicans can fly out of TIJ. Americans can fly out of CBX stress free, cf. any USA airport. A long haul LCC would like the fact that they could say they fly to USA(CBX) & Mexico(TIJ). think a TIJ to Canada flight would be much easier & cheaper on a LCC than a SAN/Canada on a LCC.

Currently there are no LCC's flying Australia to USA mainland or Mexico(only SYD/HNL & MEL/HNL on JQ). An LCC flying Australia to CBX/TIJ would be a 1st, with the probable need for a tech stop en route.

You are ignoring the fact that CBX is less busy than SAN because there is less traffic. If a whole bunch of international airlines go there with the intention of targeting SAN pax poof there goes that advantage for passengers. Unless the airlines are unsuccessful. Then poof there goes all those international flights to TIJ.

And again, prove that TIJ is cheaper to operate out of. You realize that just because something is in Mexico it is not automatically cheaper than what is in the US, correct? I’m about 99% sure your thinking is “Mexico= must be cheap!”

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:43 pm
by USAOZ
SANAV8R wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
if you fly to TIJ & exit via CBX you don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration.


Yes, you are not subject to a Mexican customs and immigration if you arrive on a domestic flight. I have only arrived on domestic flights in the A concourse. They have the baggage claim in a secure area and you essentially get your bag and either walk to the CBX ticket area or walk past an armed guard and walk through two automatic doors to the main arrivals hall in TIJ.

But yes there are no "exit" Mexican customs & immigration at the CBX. Just U.S. CBP.

However, what I am assuming is that the process is different if an international flight arrives at TIJ. The one international flight (from PVG) arrives at the B concourse and theoretically an international flight should clear Mexican customs and immigration as the destination is Mexico. The passengers would then cross the land border into the U.S. via CBX. So they would have two sets of customs & immigration.
no international flights don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration. That's the advantage.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:34 pm
by Polot
USAOZ wrote:
SANAV8R wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
if you fly to TIJ & exit via CBX you don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration.


Yes, you are not subject to a Mexican customs and immigration if you arrive on a domestic flight. I have only arrived on domestic flights in the A concourse. They have the baggage claim in a secure area and you essentially get your bag and either walk to the CBX ticket area or walk past an armed guard and walk through two automatic doors to the main arrivals hall in TIJ.

But yes there are no "exit" Mexican customs & immigration at the CBX. Just U.S. CBP.

However, what I am assuming is that the process is different if an international flight arrives at TIJ. The one international flight (from PVG) arrives at the B concourse and theoretically an international flight should clear Mexican customs and immigration as the destination is Mexico. The passengers would then cross the land border into the U.S. via CBX. So they would have two sets of customs & immigration.
no international flights don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration. That's the advantage.

That is not an advantage. International flights to SAN/LAX/wherever in Southern Califronia do not have to go through Mexican customs/immigration either.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:37 pm
by melpax
USAOZ wrote:
Mexicans can fly out of TIJ. Americans can fly out of CBX stress free, cf. any USA airport. A long haul LCC would like the fact that they could say they fly to USA(CBX) & Mexico(TIJ). think a TIJ to Canada flight would be much easier & cheaper on a LCC than a SAN/Canada on a LCC.

Currently there are no LCC's flying Australia to USA mainland or Mexico(only SYD/HNL & MEL/HNL on JQ). An LCC flying Australia to CBX/TIJ would be a 1st, with the probable need for a tech stop en route.


If the likes of Jetstar ever got some equipment that was able to fly East Coast Oz - West Coast US non-stop, this could work out well, doesn't cannibilise mainline flights to LAX, and there is the added benefit for those travelling to Mexico proper/Central America of not having to go through the ordeal of clearing CPB at LAX & then flying straight out. Mexico, especially the Rivera Maya is starting to become a popular destination for Australians. The best of both worlds. The likes of Fiji airways could also make this work, a couple of flights a week from Nandi with pax connecting from Australia/NZ could be a winner.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:27 pm
by SANAV8R
USAOZ wrote:
no international flights don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration. That's the advantage.


Ok..so you are telling me that an international flight that lands at Tijuana as its first port of entry for Mexico just lets the passengers out without screening of any measure?

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:18 pm
by zakuivcustom
SANAV8R wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
no international flights don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration. That's the advantage.


Ok..so you are telling me that an international flight that lands at Tijuana as its first port of entry for Mexico just lets the passengers out without screening of any measure?


Not to mention, unless I'm understanding it wrong, I believe the CBX entry from Mexican side is in the (domestic) baggage claim. I just don't see how they can use the same baggage claim for both domestic and international operation then actually know who needs to go through border control/custom to enter Mexico and who doesn't.
melpax wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
Mexicans can fly out of TIJ. Americans can fly out of CBX stress free, cf. any USA airport. A long haul LCC would like the fact that they could say they fly to USA(CBX) & Mexico(TIJ). think a TIJ to Canada flight would be much easier & cheaper on a LCC than a SAN/Canada on a LCC.

Currently there are no LCC's flying Australia to USA mainland or Mexico(only SYD/HNL & MEL/HNL on JQ). An LCC flying Australia to CBX/TIJ would be a 1st, with the probable need for a tech stop en route.


If the likes of Jetstar ever got some equipment that was able to fly East Coast Oz - West Coast US non-stop, this could work out well, doesn't cannibilise mainline flights to LAX, and there is the added benefit for those travelling to Mexico proper/Central America of not having to go through the ordeal of clearing CPB at LAX & then flying straight out. Mexico, especially the Rivera Maya is starting to become a popular destination for Australians. The best of both worlds. The likes of Fiji airways could also make this work, a couple of flights a week from Nandi with pax connecting from Australia/NZ could be a winner.


So...essentially double connecting from AusNZ (through NAN then TIJ then to the like of CUN. How does that save money for pax anyway?

If anything, it's more likely for QF to return to MEX than having all these TIJ BS that people are trying to sell.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:45 pm
by SANAV8R
zakuivcustom wrote:
SANAV8R wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
no international flights don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration. That's the advantage.


Ok..so you are telling me that an international flight that lands at Tijuana as its first port of entry for Mexico just lets the passengers out without screening of any measure?


Not to mention, unless I'm understanding it wrong, I believe the CBX entry from Mexican side is in the (domestic) baggage claim. I just don't see how they can use the same baggage claim for both domestic and international operation then actually know who needs to go through border control/custom to enter Mexico and who doesn't


This is how it was when I've used it. I flew from MEX on AM a few months ago. I arrived in the A pier and after I collected my bags, instead of going through the secure doors to the landside of TIJ, I walked to the CBX counter and purchased a ticket to cross. There's no way that an international flight would operate in the manner that USAOZ is describing without passport control. The (now) sole international flight from PVG operates to the B pier where they have customs and immigration.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:11 pm
by zakuivcustom
SANAV8R wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
SANAV8R wrote:

Ok..so you are telling me that an international flight that lands at Tijuana as its first port of entry for Mexico just lets the passengers out without screening of any measure?


Not to mention, unless I'm understanding it wrong, I believe the CBX entry from Mexican side is in the (domestic) baggage claim. I just don't see how they can use the same baggage claim for both domestic and international operation then actually know who needs to go through border control/custom to enter Mexico and who doesn't


This is how it was when I've used it. I flew from MEX on AM a few months ago. I arrived in the A pier and after I collected my bags, instead of going through the secure doors to the landside of TIJ, I walked to the CBX counter and purchased a ticket to cross. There's no way that an international flight would operate in the manner that USAOZ is describing without passport control. The (now) sole international flight from PVG operates to the B pier where they have customs and immigration.


Isn't the PVG flight MEX-TIJ-PVG-MEX? If so, the MEX-TIJ sector would be domestic.

Would be interesting to find some report on flights to GUA, MGA, or SAL. But I would believe it would be going into B pier, go through custom/border control there, before reaching the "main" terminal where the CBX entrance is located.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:27 pm
by Polot
Everyone is also focused on TIJ->US. Nobody is considering US>TIJ for your return flight (or first flight if US passenger). To get to your flight departing TIJ you have to pass through Mexican customs/immigration as you are entering Mexico from the US and being dropped off at the TIJ departure level to check in your luggage. You are not being dropped off into a secure transit area. Hardly convenient if your final destination is not in Mexico versus taking a nonstop or connecting flight from a US airport.

The entire process is designed to target US->Mexico (and v/v) flyers. Not the rest of the world. The CBX is just like any land crossing between the US and Mexico. It's appeal is that only ticketed passengers can pass through it, ensuring a much quicker experience than the major US/Mexico land crossings in the area (which at peak times can get very clogged). That is it. It is not designed for international connections. Using the CBX is equivalent to walking out of the terminal at TIJ, renting a car, and driving through the nearest road crossing. The CBX is just directly attached to the domestic arrivals terminal so you don't have to go outside, and you are using your feet to walk across the border and not some wheels. It is entirely optional, you don't have to use the CBX even if your final intention upon landing at TIJ is to go to the US.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:47 pm
by SANAV8R
zakuivcustom wrote:
SANAV8R wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:

Not to mention, unless I'm understanding it wrong, I believe the CBX entry from Mexican side is in the (domestic) baggage claim. I just don't see how they can use the same baggage claim for both domestic and international operation then actually know who needs to go through border control/custom to enter Mexico and who doesn't


This is how it was when I've used it. I flew from MEX on AM a few months ago. I arrived in the A pier and after I collected my bags, instead of going through the secure doors to the landside of TIJ, I walked to the CBX counter and purchased a ticket to cross. There's no way that an international flight would operate in the manner that USAOZ is describing without passport control. The (now) sole international flight from PVG operates to the B pier where they have customs and immigration.


Isn't the PVG flight MEX-TIJ-PVG-MEX? If so, the MEX-TIJ sector would be domestic.

Would be interesting to find some report on flights to GUA, MGA, or SAL. But I would believe it would be going into B pier, go through custom/border control there, before reaching the "main" terminal where the CBX entrance is located.


I forgot that the eastbound PVG-MEX is nonstop now and that it only stops westbound.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:13 pm
by melpax
zakuivcustom wrote:

So...essentially double connecting from AusNZ (through NAN then TIJ then to the like of CUN. How does that save money for pax anyway?

If anything, it's more likely for QF to return to MEX than having all these TIJ BS that people are trying to sell.


Thinking this would be more for convience of pax travelling straight to Mexico/Central America, a stopover in Nadi would probably be more preferable than flying into LAX, dealing with CPB, then having to change terminals & re-clearing TSA for a flight straight out again. Direct access to San Diego would be a side benefit for those looking for an alternative to LAX. From experience, Mexican customs & immigration is much smoother than the US process, with the exception of having to keep the 'other half' of your arrivals card until you leave! Also in the current climate, there would be those who are unable or unwilling to transit via the US, there are regular stories in the media here of folks being denied entry to the US or experiencing hassles from CPB on arrival for various reasons.

Also can't see QF flights to MEX anytime soon, not a great deal of business links between Australia-Mexico, so not a premium-heavy destination. You'd more likely see Jetstar or Virgin Australia starting flights to MEX or CUN than QF flying to MEX.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:12 am
by USAOZ
SANAV8R wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
no international flights don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration. That's the advantage.


Ok..so you are telling me that an international flight that lands at Tijuana as its first port of entry for Mexico just lets the passengers out without screening of any measure?
will explain it again. For international flights landing at TIJ ..................

Once collected bags you make a decision to either enter U.S. & go thru U.S. customs/immigration via CBX, or enter mexico & go thru Mexican customs/immigration. You don't do both.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:16 am
by USAOZ
Polot wrote:
Everyone is also focused on TIJ->US. Nobody is considering US>TIJ for your return flight (or first flight if US passenger). To get to your flight departing TIJ you have to pass through Mexican customs/immigration as you are entering Mexico from the US and being dropped off at the TIJ departure level to check in your luggage. You are not being dropped off into a secure transit area. Hardly convenient if your final destination is not in Mexico versus taking a nonstop or connecting flight from a US airport.

The entire process is designed to target US->Mexico (and v/v) flyers. Not the rest of the world. The CBX is just like any land crossing between the US and Mexico. It's appeal is that only ticketed passengers can pass through it, ensuring a much quicker experience than the major US/Mexico land crossings in the area (which at peak times can get very clogged). That is it. It is not designed for international connections. Using the CBX is equivalent to walking out of the terminal at TIJ, renting a car, and driving through the nearest road crossing. The CBX is just directly attached to the domestic arrivals terminal so you don't have to go outside, and you are using your feet to walk across the border and not some wheels. It is entirely optional, you don't have to use the CBX even if your final intention upon landing at TIJ is to go to the US.

CBX is a border crossing, but it sure beats driving from USA to TIJ. There seems to be a basic misunderstanding about how CBX works.

CBX is designed for Americans around San Diego to easily get a domestic flight inside mexico or at international flight to anywhere. No need to pay any U.S. govt charges at all.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:56 pm
by Polot
USAOZ wrote:
Polot wrote:
Everyone is also focused on TIJ->US. Nobody is considering US>TIJ for your return flight (or first flight if US passenger). To get to your flight departing TIJ you have to pass through Mexican customs/immigration as you are entering Mexico from the US and being dropped off at the TIJ departure level to check in your luggage. You are not being dropped off into a secure transit area. Hardly convenient if your final destination is not in Mexico versus taking a nonstop or connecting flight from a US airport.

The entire process is designed to target US->Mexico (and v/v) flyers. Not the rest of the world. The CBX is just like any land crossing between the US and Mexico. It's appeal is that only ticketed passengers can pass through it, ensuring a much quicker experience than the major US/Mexico land crossings in the area (which at peak times can get very clogged). That is it. It is not designed for international connections. Using the CBX is equivalent to walking out of the terminal at TIJ, renting a car, and driving through the nearest road crossing. The CBX is just directly attached to the domestic arrivals terminal so you don't have to go outside, and you are using your feet to walk across the border and not some wheels. It is entirely optional, you don't have to use the CBX even if your final intention upon landing at TIJ is to go to the US.

CBX is a border crossing, but it sure beats driving from USA to TIJ. There seems to be a basic misunderstanding about how CBX works.

CBX is designed for Americans around San Diego to easily get a domestic flight inside mexico or at international flight to anywhere. No need to pay any U.S. govt charges at all.

No, its designed to easily take a domestic flight inside Mexico, not an international flight to anywhere else. Which of the two scenarios below is easier:

1) Go through Mexican customs/immigration to get into Mexico, then customs/immigration at destination country. On return go through Mexican customs/immigration, then American customs/immigration.

OR

2) Go through customs/immigration at destination country, then on return go through American customs/immigration.

Number 1 is how CBX works. It is not designed for international connections. The one who seems to have a basic misunderstanding about how CBX works is you.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:27 pm
by zakuivcustom
USAOZ wrote:
SANAV8R wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
no international flights don't have to go through Mexican customs/immigration. That's the advantage.


Ok..so you are telling me that an international flight that lands at Tijuana as its first port of entry for Mexico just lets the passengers out without screening of any measure?
will explain it again. For international flights landing at TIJ ..................

Once collected bags you make a decision to either enter U.S. & go thru U.S. customs/immigration via CBX, or enter mexico & go thru Mexican customs/immigration. You don't do both.


And this is from personal experience or whether you're just reading off their website? International arrival into TIJ is in a totally different section and you do need to enter Mexico first THEN cross the border from Mexico to US.

AFAIK TIJ is not designed like, let say, YYZ where they have a specific zone for US inbound/outbound passenger and a transit zone within the secure area.

Re: CBX & international flights to TIJ & entering USA ?

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:57 pm
by janders
In my experience, only domestic arrivals at the Zone-A gates have access to US bridge directly. If arriving in Zone-B (where international flights park), then one would first have to enter Mexico via immigration first, and then once inside Mexico legally, exit and walk to the bridge to clear US immigration to enter USA.