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VS to lease 4 A332's to cover 789 downtime

Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:35 pm

Just had an agents service bulletin in from VS and it states they will bring in 4 A332's to cover the Manchester flying programme so that their own A333's, and possibly the 744's, can come down and cover for the grounded 789's.
Wondering who the source of the 332's will be - Air Berlin ?
The bulletin states " they'll be Virgin Atlantic aircraft " but will come without Premium Economy.
 
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Re: VS to lease 4 A332's to cover 789 downtime

Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:40 pm

VS has grounded 789's for what reason? I am looking now at the threads to see if I missed something.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:48 pm

The RR engine parts replacement issue, that's affected TG & NH 787's amongst others. Last Saturday, I noticed 2 VS 789's parked outside their hangers with one or both engines either off or partially dismantled. Suspect there was at least one more inside too.
 
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Re: VS to lease 4 A332's to cover 789 downtime

Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:01 pm

Ah, ok, I know there is an issue with engines, guess I am not keeping up with how many 789's have already been deployed worldwide.
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:03 pm

Ouch. Manchester flyers utterly shafted to preserve London. I stand to be corrected but there can't be many aircraft available to short term lease with similar products to VS's own.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:15 pm

BA also have G-ZBKD/A parked up for the same reason, engines off.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:20 pm

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BA also have G-ZBKD/A parked up for the same reason, engines off.


Noticed probably 4 789's parked up at LHR just 2 weeks ago, I wonder if this was related.
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:20 pm

That’s going to hurt MAN. Premium economy is the best seller ex-MAN, and taking that away on most routes will likely impact yield considerably. I also wonder what the ‘upper class’ will be, as I assume if they are not installing PE they are unlikely to install their own upper?

Also if 2 B747 head down to LHR too, then that wipes out the triumphant ‘40,000 extra seats in S18’ press release.

I bet the press release next year is already being drafted with this news. ‘Due to a drop in customer demand, we have taken the decision to end out San Fransisco and Boston Routes.........’
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:23 pm

Delta A330s? Delta is big daddy after all.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:28 pm

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The seasonal GLA-MCO 744 service ended last weekend, so surely that provides a small degree of slack in the system too ?


Not enough. Delta has been flying 2 extra 767s daily to make up for slack. I'd assum Virgin wants to do this with their own crew sooner rather than later though.
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:28 pm

The seasonal GLA-MCO 744 service ended last weekend, so surely that provides a small degree of slack in the system too ?
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:35 pm

The service bulletin states the changes for the MAN routes with the leased A332's will be until the end of May. So hopefully by high season peak summer it will be back to normal ops. Looks like the 744 routes to LAS & MCO aren't affected, but the rest are that the A333's are currently doing.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:46 pm

It would rather kill the S18 expansion...

I had thought DL were covering VS' LHR routes but I wonder if either the problem is worse than initially thought or DL don't have the slack in their system.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:50 pm

Presumably VS will bill Boeing for this? Or is it just an insurance job?
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:51 pm

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Presumably VS will bill Boeing for this? Or is it just an insurance job?


Or RR because its the engines.... (its not a Boeing problem, its an RR problem).
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:55 pm

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Presumably VS will bill Boeing for this? Or is it just an insurance job?


Or RR because its the engines.... (its not a Boeing problem, its an RR problem).


Yes, sorry, RR. But either way, the OEM rather than VS taking the hit.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:59 pm

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Presumably VS will bill Boeing for this? Or is it just an insurance job?


All of Virgin Atlantic's Trent engines are under a TotalCare maintenance agreement with Rolls-Royce so this will be handled between them and RR.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:11 pm

Stitch wrote:
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Presumably VS will bill Boeing for this? Or is it just an insurance job?


All of Virgin Atlantic's Trent engines are under a TotalCare maintenance agreement with Rolls-Royce so this will be handled between them and RR.


Thanks Stitch, didn’t know about this.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:26 pm

Why are the Trents on 787 having issues and not all the others on A330 and A380's ? Do they have some new metal that doesn't work well at high temperatures ? All Nippon and Virgin seem to be tremendously affected by this at the worst time if year to be. I wonder if any 787 contracts will cancel Rolls Royce and go for General Electric ?
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:43 pm

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Why are the Trents on 787 having issues and not all the others on A330 and A380's?


Sulfidisation is an issue with every jet engine and can lead to cracks and blade failures. The Trent 1000 instituted a new process for the turbine blades in the intermediate-pressure turbine and this process ended up being more rapidly susceptible to sulfidisation which is why it's an issue for the type.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:27 pm

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Why are the Trents on 787 having issues and not all the others on A330 and A380's ? Do they have some new metal that doesn't work well at high temperatures ? All Nippon and Virgin seem to be tremendously affected by this at the worst time if year to be. I wonder if any 787 contracts will cancel Rolls Royce and go for General Electric ?



The Air France A380 that had the uncontained failure of it's nbr 4 engine, was that a RR engine?
 
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jfk777 wrote:
Why are the Trents on 787 having issues and not all the others on A330 and A380's ? Do they have some new metal that doesn't work well at high temperatures ? All Nippon and Virgin seem to be tremendously affected by this at the worst time if year to be. I wonder if any 787 contracts will cancel Rolls Royce and go for General Electric ?



The Air France A380 that had the uncontained failure of it's nbr 4 engine, was that a RR engine?


AF A380s use the GP7000, PW/GE engine
 
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Ouch. Manchester flyers utterly shafted to preserve London. I stand to be corrected but there can't be many aircraft available to short term lease with similar products to VS's own.


Premium economy flyers, maybe, but not economy flyers. In Y, I'll choose a 330 over a 787 anyday.


There are no 787s at MAN, the A332s will be replacing VS's own A333s.
 
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Ouch. Manchester flyers utterly shafted to preserve London. I stand to be corrected but there can't be many aircraft available to short term lease with similar products to VS's own.


Premium economy flyers, maybe, but not economy flyers. In Y, I'll choose a 330 over a 787 anyday.
 
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:36 am

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Looking at all these twins they now use, what ever happened to "4 ENGINES 4 LONG HAUL"? Hmm ? Little hypocrisy there SRB?


As I've said before it was a playful marketing slogan, from an airline operating mainly four holers, aimed at 'reassuring' those punters who still felt that flying over oceans on two engines was a bit iffy. Nothing more than that and certainly not a statement of fact. And please note that this comment does not require a 'scientific' response... ;-)
 
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:50 am

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There are no 787s at MAN, the A332s will be replacing VS's own A333s.


Going by Jethro's fleet listings, Virgin have received 14 789's with 3 more to come in 2018 and further options up to 20. Does anyone see the type 'breaking out' of the LHR network and being deployed elsewhere, perhaps at MAN or within the leisure fleet ? I know the A350 will displace the leisure fleet 744's on current plan. I just see the 789 being a slightly better fit on regional services such as GLA-MCO than the A350-1000. Thoughts ?
 
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That’s going to hurt MAN. Premium economy is the best seller ex-MAN, and taking that away on most routes will likely impact yield considerably. I also wonder what the ‘upper class’ will be, as I assume if they are not installing PE they are unlikely to install their own upper?

Also if 2 B747 head down to LHR too, then that wipes out the triumphant ‘40,000 extra seats in S18’ press release.

I bet the press release next year is already being drafted with this news. ‘Due to a drop in customer demand, we have taken the decision to end out San Fransisco and Boston Routes.........’


I dont think theyre dropping SFO anytime soon...the VX connection and market is ideal for them
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:49 am

Rolls Royce almost caused the demis of the Lockheed 1011 aircraft as its engine had problems and the British government had to bail Rolls Royce of out of bankruptcy. Qantas has a Rolls powered A380 , VH-OQA, that exploded in flight due an oil leak caused by a failed oil seal on one of it's engines which successfully returned to Singapore. It took a year to repair the aircraft and Rolls Royce had to cover the cost of the repair and lost revenue. Rolls Royce better get it's ducks in a row. :old:
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That’s going to hurt MAN. Premium economy is the best seller ex-MAN, and taking that away on most routes will likely impact yield considerably. I also wonder what the ‘upper class’ will be, as I assume if they are not installing PE they are unlikely to install their own upper?

Also if 2 B747 head down to LHR too, then that wipes out the triumphant ‘40,000 extra seats in S18’ press release.

I bet the press release next year is already being drafted with this news. ‘Due to a drop in customer demand, we have taken the decision to end out San Fransisco and Boston Routes.........’


I dont think theyre dropping SFO anytime soon...the VX connection and market is ideal for them


What VX connection? There is none.

See: https://www.virginatlantic.com/gb/en/fl ... lines.html
 
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JannEejit wrote:
Going by Jethro's fleet listings, Virgin have received 14 789's with 3 more to come in 2018 and further options up to 20. Does anyone see the type 'breaking out' of the LHR network and being deployed elsewhere, perhaps at MAN or within the leisure fleet ? I know the A350 will displace the leisure fleet 744's on current plan. I just see the 789 being a slightly better fit on regional services such as GLA-MCO than the A350-1000. Thoughts ?

It's not inconceivable that VS could end up with a two type fleet, 789 and A35K. But, IIRC, VS picked up the A330s pretty cheap (as compensation for something?) so they probably aren't going to leave the fleet anytime soon. I think that makes a subfleet of 789s for thinner beach routes unlikely.
 
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TedToToe wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Going by Jethro's fleet listings, Virgin have received 14 789's with 3 more to come in 2018 and further options up to 20. Does anyone see the type 'breaking out' of the LHR network and being deployed elsewhere, perhaps at MAN or within the leisure fleet ? I know the A350 will displace the leisure fleet 744's on current plan. I just see the 789 being a slightly better fit on regional services such as GLA-MCO than the A350-1000. Thoughts ?

It's not inconceivable that VS could end up with a two type fleet, 789 and A35K. But, IIRC, VS picked up the A330s pretty cheap (as compensation for something?) so they probably aren't going to leave the fleet anytime soon. I think that makes a subfleet of 789s for thinner beach routes unlikely.


The 330's are leased until 2023/24
 
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TedToToe wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Going by Jethro's fleet listings, Virgin have received 14 789's with 3 more to come in 2018 and further options up to 20. Does anyone see the type 'breaking out' of the LHR network and being deployed elsewhere, perhaps at MAN or within the leisure fleet ? I know the A350 will displace the leisure fleet 744's on current plan. I just see the 789 being a slightly better fit on regional services such as GLA-MCO than the A350-1000. Thoughts ?

It's not inconceivable that VS could end up with a two type fleet, 789 and A35K. But, IIRC, VS picked up the A330s pretty cheap (as compensation for something?) so they probably aren't going to leave the fleet anytime soon. I think that makes a subfleet of 789s for thinner beach routes unlikely.



Why did they get cheap A330's? I don't remember them having a bad run in with Airbus.
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:50 am

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So one of the features of the 787, is that the engine model isn't fixed based on the airplane delivery. I know this was mainly a feature for lessors, but would there be any chance of VS switching their 787s over to GE?
 
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:33 am

SRB’s hands on influence is almost nothing, hence the reason VS losses were controlled.

In his day, the A346s were painted with their “airborne” date next to the name on the nose and parts of the fleet carried banner “FLY A YOUNGER FLEET” titles. That’s a cheeky start up notion, not a serious player, which by then they were. A clear dig at at BA on safety grounds, old aircraft or two engines, why risk BA? Juvenile IMHO.

The banners are long gone, mainly as (some of) those B744s are hardly young anymore. The airborne dates are still there though....

Anyone remember VS screwing MAN-MCO at the start by replacing a new A343 with a leased Martinair B763 then later Air Atlanta B742s? They’re still London centric alas.
 
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:07 am

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Anyone remember VS screwing MAN-MCO at the start by replacing a new A343 with a leased Martinair B763 then later Air Atlanta B742s? They’re still London centric alas.


The B742's were previously VS owned aircraft, sold to Air Atlanta then leased back to provide the MAN services, so had full VS interiors, and were arguably better than some of the LGW 744's at the time (the ex Alitalia ordered ones), which had a much lower spec IFE system installed (low number of channels and no games), and did not have the same Upper Class seats of the LHR/MAN fleet.

So whilst MAN does seem to have drawn the short straw this time, it has not always been the case.
 
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:27 am

Whilst MAN is having to play the poor relation to LHR, this is no great surprise given (aside from anything else) the slot position at LHR. I have no problem with this.

On the positive side, it feels like VS are going to a decent amount of effort to keep the MAN programme going. I don't know whether any B744s will remain based at MAN (I assume at least 1, most likely 2) but if all 4 A332 are based at MAN and are essentially turned into VS aircraft (paint and interior) that's certainly no bad thing.
 
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:39 am

So, some 46 responses later, do we know which 4 frames are actually coming and from where ?
 
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Why did they get cheap A330's? I don't remember them having a bad run in with Airbus.

It sounds like they were in lieu of late 787s. Can somebody else confirm?
 
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Why are the Trents on 787 having issues and not all the others on A330 and A380's ? Do they have some new metal that doesn't work well at high temperatures ? All Nippon and Virgin seem to be tremendously affected by this at the worst time if year to be. I wonder if any 787 contracts will cancel Rolls Royce and go for General Electric ?


These are not the same engines at all.

I would be more worried about the A350's Trent XWB.
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Rolls Royce almost caused the demis of the Lockheed 1011 aircraft as its engine had problems and the British government had to bail Rolls Royce of out of bankruptcy. Qantas has a Rolls powered A380 , VH-OQA, that exploded in flight due an oil leak caused by a failed oil seal on one of it's engines which successfully returned to Singapore. It took a year to repair the aircraft and Rolls Royce had to cover the cost of the repair and lost revenue. Rolls Royce better get it's ducks in a row. :old:


Didn't think we still had this kind of post! All engines can suffer isues, Both RR and GE have had issues with their offerings on the 787 (GE had icing issues (ANA had engines fail in flight) that cause the FAA to require urgent changes), same with the A380, you've clearly not seen Air Frances shredded AE engine.

Rolls Royce have a significant market share and I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be the case unless they had some good products!
 
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:09 am

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Why are the Trents on 787 having issues and not all the others on A330 and A380's ? Do they have some new metal that doesn't work well at high temperatures ? All Nippon and Virgin seem to be tremendously affected by this at the worst time if year to be. I wonder if any 787 contracts will cancel Rolls Royce and go for General Electric ?


These are not the same engines at all.

I would be more worried about the A350's Trent XWB.


It would be good if you could explain your worries concerning Trent XWB`s, since it`s not been mentioned
anywhere that there is a connection with the blade coating problems on Trent 1000 & any of their other
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So, some 46 responses later, do we know which 4 frames are actually coming and from where ?

Evidently not, but Air Tanker would seem logical at least partly, as the aircraft are nominally MAN based and it depends on when Jet 2/TCX need those aircraft back again
 
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:18 am

Noticed a 747 at LHR recently doing the JFK run, guess the engine problem plays a part.
Still no word where the A332's are coming from?
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:20 am

The A330 are ex Air Berlin I believe.

They will not be air Tanker, they have 4 for public lease, to which 2 are with Jet2, one with Thomas Cook and one not taken by an airline as of yet.
 
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Arion640 wrote:
Why did they get cheap A330's? I don't remember them having a bad run in with Airbus.

It sounds like they were in lieu of late 787s. Can somebody else confirm?


IIRC there was a connection to A380 delays, which were significant (I would consider that a "bad run in with Airbus").
 
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jfk777 wrote:
Why are the Trents on 787 having issues and not all the others on A330 and A380's ? Do they have some new metal that doesn't work well at high temperatures ? All Nippon and Virgin seem to be tremendously affected by this at the worst time if year to be. I wonder if any 787 contracts will cancel Rolls Royce and go for General Electric ?


These are not the same engines at all.

I would be more worried about the A350's Trent XWB.


It would be good if you could explain your worries concerning Trent XWB`s, since it`s not been mentioned
anywhere that there is a connection with the blade coating problems on Trent 1000 & any of their other
turbines.

He is not saying there is a problem with the Trent XWB. But the TXWB, being designed after the T1000, is more likely to have the same fan blade problems as the T1000 than the older T700/T900s as there is a greater chance it has similar coating/materials (if the T700/T900 had issues with their coatings they would have popped up years ago).
 
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:36 pm

Maybe unrelated, but VS just re-activated an A340-600 from storage:

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Or is VS bringing in A340 capacity instead of A330s?
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giblets wrote:
NWAROOSTER wrote:
Rolls Royce almost caused the demis of the Lockheed 1011 aircraft as its engine had problems and the British government had to bail Rolls Royce of out of bankruptcy. Qantas has a Rolls powered A380 , VH-OQA, that exploded in flight due an oil leak caused by a failed oil seal on one of it's engines which successfully returned to Singapore. It took a year to repair the aircraft and Rolls Royce had to cover the cost of the repair and lost revenue. Rolls Royce better get it's ducks in a row. :old:


Didn't think we still had this kind of post! All engines can suffer isues, Both RR and GE have had issues with their offerings on the 787 (GE had icing issues (ANA had engines fail in flight) that cause the FAA to require urgent changes), same with the A380, you've clearly not seen Air Frances shredded AE engine.

Rolls Royce have a significant market share and I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be the case unless they had some good products!


Thanks giblets .....an outbreak of common sense and rationality in your post.
 
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Why did they get cheap A330's? I don't remember them having a bad run in with Airbus.

It sounds like they were in lieu of late 787s. Can somebody else confirm?


IIRC there was a connection to A380 delays, which were significant (I would consider that a "bad run in with Airbus").


When has a new aircraft programme actually been on time recently? Look at the 787, years late. It can be expected and most airlines do.

I think VS when it ordered the A330's had probably decided it didn't want the A380's. Ordering the A380 was another publicity stunt from Branson at the time. Wanting casinos and bars etc etc.
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