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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:43 am

I get what you're saying here. Let me rephrase myself. They're much more stable out of IND. (See, I changed my wording.)

They may still cut profitable routes, etc. but it's not as bad as it used to be. We'll see if their PHL operations stick this time around. So far their MCO and TPA ops aren't doing too bad. Same with LAS.

Edit: I don't find MIA-SJU a dart board route. The others I can see as a experimental run. F9 is the only US ULCC in MIA (the others are in FLL), and they need to take advantage of that.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:51 am

zackary747 wrote:
I get what you're saying here. Let me rephrase myself. They're much more stable out of IND. (See, I changed my wording.)

They may still cut profitable routes, etc. but it's not as bad as it used to be. We'll see if their PHL operations stick this time around. So far their MCO and TPA ops aren't doing too bad. Same with LAS.


Oh yeah, I can agree with that. Their IND operation seems to be right sized, and none of the routes appear to be underperformers...

There should be room for 2 carriers on flights like IND-MSP/PHL, it's just a matter of whether F9 will give IND-PHL a chance...
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:53 am

zackary747 wrote:
Edit: I don't find MIA-SJU a dart board route. The others I can see as a experimental run. F9 is the only US ULCC in MIA (the others are in FLL), and they need to take advantage of that.


Since the hurricane though, how much has traffic rebounded? Every US airline (except B6) continues to drop or cut frequencies to San Juan
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:54 am

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zackary747 wrote:
Edit: I don't find MIA-SJU a dart board route. The others I can see as a experimental run. F9 is the only US ULCC in MIA (the others are in FLL), and they need to take advantage of that.


Since the hurricane though, how much has traffic rebounded? Every US airline (except B6) continues to drop or cut frequencies to San Juan


That does make sense. MIA is a vacation destination too, so we'll see how that goes.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:57 am

The question is, can F9 make their PHL market as stable as RSW, TPA (so far, those expansion routes haven't been running to too long), MCO, and LAS? We'll find out in given time. While they still tend to do dart board moves, it's sure going away slowly in some key markets. Maybe PHL will be next.

Edit: I don't see them building up PHL again just to cut routes again. I think they've learned. (They may cut a couple, but I don't see a massive dump like last time.)
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:49 am

So, Frontier is still using B15 and it's February. When are they going to switch over?

Does the Allegiant base start Feb. 7? (Making sure I have the right date.)
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:44 pm

zackary747 wrote:
So, Frontier is still using B15 and it's February. When are they going to switch over?

Does the Allegiant base start Feb. 7? (Making sure I have the right date.)


I'm wondering the same thing....and every source that I have seen has said the base would open Feb 7th...
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Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:49 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
So, Frontier is still using B15 and it's February. When are they going to switch over?

Does the Allegiant base start Feb. 7? (Making sure I have the right date.)


I'm wondering the same thing....and every source that I have seen has said the base would open Feb 7th...


I suppose we'll see two Airbuses ferry on the 6th/7th early AM hours to IND.
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:54 pm

Did I miss anything while I was gone? Did any new FX details get released?
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:06 pm

Some Indy 500 changes from this weekend, I included some from last weekend as well
IND-ORD 2^ 737s
IND-CLT 5^ A319s, 1^ A320
IND-MIA 1^E175
IND-DFW +1 frequency, 4^ 737s
IND-RDU 1^CR9
IND-DCA +1 frequency
IND-EWR 1^A319
IND-ATL 1^MD90, 1^757
IND-MSP 1^MD90,
IND-PHX +1 frequency

AA made a few more changes for the month of May
IND-CLT 1^ 319
IND-LAX +1 frequency

UA EWR-IND JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6 SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6
Looks like WN is putting the hurt on UA

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Did I miss anything while I was gone? Did any new FX details get released?


Nothing groundbreaking just F9 restarting IND-PHL
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:28 pm

I am most curious about the FX announcement. I hope details come out soon. I would guess that $1.5 billion is the completing all phases of their IND master plan. If this isn't everything then I cannot imagine what else they have planned for the future.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:48 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
Edit: I don't find MIA-SJU a dart board route. The others I can see as a experimental run. F9 is the only US ULCC in MIA (the others are in FLL), and they need to take advantage of that.


Since the hurricane though, how much has traffic rebounded? Every US airline (except B6) continues to drop or cut frequencies to San Juan


MIASJU is a VFR route. There has likely been little, if any, dent in traffic. Same can be said for ORL-SJU or NYC-SJU where capacity really hasn’t been hit.m that much, if at all.
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:59 am

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Typically the courtesy would be extended to Frontier Airlines to let them post and make the announcement first, which, that being said, they (Frontier) appear to have done, but that may explain the delay.


Airlines and airports coordinate that stuff ahead of time, so that they usually send out press releases at almost the exact same time (the airport maybe slightly after).

Maybe, the airport didn't release anything because F9 is planning on announcing another route from IND soon. I heard from another thread that they are announcing more routes later this week....
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:37 am

Midwestindy wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Typically the courtesy would be extended to Frontier Airlines to let them post and make the announcement first, which, that being said, they (Frontier) appear to have done, but that may explain the delay.


Airlines and airports coordinate that stuff ahead of time, so that they usually send out press releases at almost the exact same time (the airport maybe slightly after).

Maybe, the airport didn't release anything because F9 is planning on announcing another route from IND soon. I heard from another thread that they are announcing more routes later this week....


Have a link to that thread?
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:46 am

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Typically the courtesy would be extended to Frontier Airlines to let them post and make the announcement first, which, that being said, they (Frontier) appear to have done, but that may explain the delay.


Airlines and airports coordinate that stuff ahead of time, so that they usually send out press releases at almost the exact same time (the airport maybe slightly after).

Maybe, the airport didn't release anything because F9 is planning on announcing another route from IND soon. I heard from another thread that they are announcing more routes later this week....


Have a link to that thread?


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1384915&p=20150077&hilit=isp#p20150077
https://www.newsday.com/business/fronti ... 1.16556812

"Islip Town officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment, other than to say they expected to announce later this week new routes that Frontier would be bringing to the Ronkonkoma airport."
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:15 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
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Edit: I don't find MIA-SJU a dart board route. The others I can see as a experimental run. F9 is the only US ULCC in MIA (the others are in FLL), and they need to take advantage of that.


Since the hurricane though, how much has traffic rebounded? Every US airline (except B6) continues to drop or cut frequencies to San Juan


Way off topic now, but people don't fly between MIA and SJU for the beaches since they already have great ones on either side. That's a business and VFR route. There's actually a fair amount of business travel to the island right now, especially as everyone tries to get the contracts to rebuild the island.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:31 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Typically the courtesy would be extended to Frontier Airlines to let them post and make the announcement first, which, that being said, they (Frontier) appear to have done, but that may explain the delay.


Airlines and airports coordinate that stuff ahead of time, so that they usually send out press releases at almost the exact same time (the airport maybe slightly after).

Maybe, the airport didn't release anything because F9 is planning on announcing another route from IND soon. I heard from another thread that they are announcing more routes later this week....


Frontier would lead the direction on any campaign/promotional strategy. It's professional courtesy.
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:40 pm

stlgph wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Typically the courtesy would be extended to Frontier Airlines to let them post and make the announcement first, which, that being said, they (Frontier) appear to have done, but that may explain the delay.


Airlines and airports coordinate that stuff ahead of time, so that they usually send out press releases at almost the exact same time (the airport maybe slightly after).

Maybe, the airport didn't release anything because F9 is planning on announcing another route from IND soon. I heard from another thread that they are announcing more routes later this week....


Frontier would lead the direction on any campaign/promotional strategy. It's professional courtesy.


Yes, I agree with you..... but an airport and the airline coordinate the campaign/promotional strategy ahead of time...
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:19 pm

Right, but it's Frontiers to manage, not the airport.

That being said, we all would love to see Frontier move over to the A concourse, get their hands on use of another gate, and slap another 8 or 9 destinations out of Indianapolis.

That also being said, it IS Frontier, so what's the point if they'll just yank them after 3 or 4 months.
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:26 pm

They moved to A3 this weekend
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:31 pm

Nice to see that end of the concourse getting some love and attention.
That being said, it was a great place to hide for a bit if there was a delay.
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:36 pm

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They moved to A3 this weekend


https://www.indianapolisairport.com/fli ... 9&arrdep=D

Looks like Frontier has finally moved to A3, they arrival/departure board was showing B15 yesterday. They probably waited for G4 to start up their base...
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:40 pm

A3 is 90 deg turn gates are harder to work so they are less desirable .. B3 is about 45 degree turn so not as bad .. for a few flights a day it’s fine...but they is why it was so “peaceful” down there
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:15 pm

Looks like AA is finally starting to phase out the MD80s from IND, the 737s are being added back to the schedule. IND-DFW will be 1x daily 738 for most of March, and will be 3x 738 starting in the second week of May. For March and April it looks like the IND-CLT flight will be mostly E75+737s, the CR7/9s seem to have mostly disappeared.
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:16 pm

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 94781.html

Allegiant base opened today:
"We're excited about the growth we've seen in Indianapolis, and the many opportunities ahead that our aircraft base will bring"

"By continuing to grow our operations and contribute even more to the community and economy, we look to become a true hometown airline for Indianapolis flyers."

"Having aircraft and crew based in Indianapolis affords the opportunity for additional routes to non-base cities such as Charleston, South Carolina and Sarasota, Florida – two recently announced routes set to begin service in April."

"Allegiant expects to add a third aircraft to the Indianapolis base later this year."

"The Indianapolis base is expected to significantly boost Allegiant's economic impact in the state of Indiana. According to a recent study by Campbell-Hill Aviation, in 2016 Allegiant generated more than $118 million in economic benefit to the state, bringing more than 68,000 new visitors and supporting more than 1,000 jobs."
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:44 pm

Do you expect anything from F9 tomorrow?
MIA, PHX, DFW, IAH, PVD, ONT, AUS, SAT, etc.?
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:10 pm

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Do you expect anything from F9 tomorrow?
MIA, PHX, DFW, IAH, PVD, ONT, AUS, SAT, etc.?


I think it would make sense if they announced more to IND considering nothing was put out for the IND-PHL flight.

IND-MIA/SAT/AUS/SAN/DFW/IAH could all work IMO, although I wouldn't expect all of those to be announced but maybe 1 or 2.

If they don't announce anything from IND, I wouldn't be that disappointed though...
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:55 am

IND-AUS is loaded, but not made available for booking, looks like 2x weekly to start but I can't really tell. It appears to start April 10th. If true that makes 3 carriers on that route, last year at this time there were 0....
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:28 am

I see daily DEN-IND but only 3x weekly IND-DEN in July....Interesting?
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:30 am

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I see daily DEN-IND but only 3x weekly IND-DEN in July....Interesting?


Could be fleet availability issues.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:33 am

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IND-AUS is loaded, but not made available for booking, looks like 2x weekly to start but I can't really tell. It appears to start April 10th. If true that makes 3 carriers on that route, last year at this time there were 0....


I wish they would of done SAT instead. You find anything else?
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:34 am

zackary747 wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
I see daily DEN-IND but only 3x weekly IND-DEN in July....Interesting?


Could be fleet availability issues.


It was like that before their route release, DEN-IND was 3x weekly(SUN/TUE/THU), LAS-IND was 4x weekly(MON/WED/FRI/SAT), so they added up to daily service...

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IND-AUS is loaded, but not made available for booking, looks like 2x weekly to start but I can't really tell. It appears to start April 10th. If true that makes 3 carriers on that route, last year at this time there were 0....


I wish they would of done SAT instead. You find anything else?


I'll give it until tomorrow, but for now it appears to be just IND-AUS.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:49 am

Midwestindy wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
I see daily DEN-IND but only 3x weekly IND-DEN in July....Interesting?


Could be fleet availability issues.


It was like that before their route release, DEN-IND was 3x weekly(SUN/TUE/THU), LAS-IND was 4x weekly(MON/WED/FRI/SAT), so they added up to daily service...

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
IND-AUS is loaded, but not made available for booking, looks like 2x weekly to start but I can't really tell. It appears to start April 10th. If true that makes 3 carriers on that route, last year at this time there were 0....


I wish they would of done SAT instead. You find anything else?


I'll give it until tomorrow, but for now it appears to be just IND-AUS.


Where do you see this? I'm on their site and I see nothing.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:59 am

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
zackary747 wrote:

Could be fleet availability issues.


It was like that before their route release, DEN-IND was 3x weekly(SUN/TUE/THU), LAS-IND was 4x weekly(MON/WED/FRI/SAT), so they added up to daily service...

zackary747 wrote:

I wish they would of done SAT instead. You find anything else?


I'll give it until tomorrow, but for now it appears to be just IND-AUS.


Where do you see this? I'm on their site and I see nothing.


Search IND-AUS for April 9th, once you get to the flight select page you should see a line of dates, then click the right arrow which will take you to April 10th.

On April 10th you should see IND-AUS, departing at 9:40 AM, 2 hrs 45 min | Nonstop | Flight 1153. They are hiding all the new routes from view, but you can still find them. If you have the Frontier app, just do IND-AUS on April 10th...
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:37 am

Isn't IND-AUS a bad add? That route cannot support 3 carriers.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:42 am

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Isn't IND-AUS a bad add? That route cannot support 3 carriers.


Keep in mind, G4 is 2-3x weekly, F9 probably 2x weekly, and WN 1x weekly, so their isn't an abundance of service on that route.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:09 am

I find it interesting that IND-TTN/RDU/ISP are listed, but all the dates are grayed out on the calendar. Perhaps they're not done adding flights into the schedule?
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:55 pm

Still nothing in terms of an announcement from IND, something about this seems odd....
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:16 pm

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Still nothing in terms of an announcement from IND, something about this seems odd....


It is. Also the grayed out RDU and TTN sections are completely gone. I don't know what that was for.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:20 pm

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Still nothing in terms of an announcement from IND, something about this seems odd....

This schedule release was very odd. CVG-TTN was on there, but it was gone the next time I checked. Some other users said that CVG-IAH and CLE-PNS also showed up, but neither are listed currently. It was also odd that they completely left out many of their major stations like CVG/CLE/ORD/LAS/PHX. There was definitely not major announcements at 15 cities, only 6 cities got more than two routes. F9's schedule releases are getting more and more disorganized each time, at least they actually have start dates this time :-).
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:23 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Still nothing in terms of an announcement from IND, something about this seems odd....

This schedule release was very odd. CVG-TTN was on there, but it was gone the next time I checked. Some other users said that CVG-IAH and CLE-PNS also showed up, but neither are listed currently. It was also odd that they completely left out many of their major stations like CVG/CLE/ORD/LAS/PHX. There was definitely not major announcements at 15 cities, only 6 cities got more than two routes. F9's schedule releases are getting more and more disorganized each time, at least they actually have start dates this time :-).


I wish NK would just buy them out already so they can add a little structure to their organization. NK doesn't seem to be this disorganized when it comes to scheduling.
 
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:50 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Still nothing in terms of an announcement from IND, something about this seems odd....

This schedule release was very odd. CVG-TTN was on there, but it was gone the next time I checked. Some other users said that CVG-IAH and CLE-PNS also showed up, but neither are listed currently. It was also odd that they completely left out many of their major stations like CVG/CLE/ORD/LAS/PHX. There was definitely not major announcements at 15 cities, only 6 cities got more than two routes. F9's schedule releases are getting more and more disorganized each time, at least they actually have start dates this time :-).


Seems like they're already ripping the darts out before even putting them on. I wish they would just be competitive properly. Well, they are doing better than they were before in certain markets, but it's still a little halfassed if you know what I mean.
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Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:34 am

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Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:34 am

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Midwestindy wrote:
Still nothing in terms of an announcement from IND, something about this seems odd....

This schedule release was very odd. CVG-TTN was on there, but it was gone the next time I checked. Some other users said that CVG-IAH and CLE-PNS also showed up, but neither are listed currently. It was also odd that they completely left out many of their major stations like CVG/CLE/ORD/LAS/PHX. There was definitely not major announcements at 15 cities, only 6 cities got more than two routes. F9's schedule releases are getting more and more disorganized each time, at least they actually have start dates this time :-).


I didn't think this was too bad....

TBH though, I checked immediately after the posters said CVG-IAH and CLE-PNS and I didn't see anything.

This announcement was for April routes too, and CVG already had new routes announced for April.

My guess is IND has more route announcements coming up, or else they would have had some sort of press release for these 2 new F9 routes
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:35 pm

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Hopefully get some Luv from Southwest next weeek

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I've been looking into this a bit, but mostly looking at service to AUS, SAN, SAT, ATL, BNA, MSY

For BNA:
During Q3 WN carried 111 O&D pax per day to ATL, and if you include pax connecting through ATL you get 263 PDEW. If WN were to start IND-BNA, I think they would get around 20-30 O&D pax a day, but that would mean they would have to pull 70-80 connecting pax from another hub (ATL, or to a lesser extent DAL/HOU) to get the flight at an acceptable LF. To do so I think WN would decrease IND-ATL to 2x daily, and make IND-BNA 1x daily.

SAN:
During Q3 WN carried 118 O&D pax per day to SAN, and if you include pax connecting through SAN you get 132 PDEW. No real need for explanation here, I'd expect this service to be extended

AUS:
During Q3 WN carried 44 O&D pax per day to AUS, however with a daily nonstop I'd expect that number to jump to 90-100 PDEW at least. Adding IND-AUS daily wouldn't hurt IND-DAL that much, considering WN only carried 9 PDEW IND-DAL-AUS pax. IND-HOU-AUS on WN was at 19 PDEW. So, I believe they could make IND-AUS daily and maintain the level of service they have to DAL and HOU from IND.

SAT:
WN carried 40 O&D pax per day to SAT, and again considering no competition is on the route I think they could get 70-90 PDEW on IND-SAT. If WN decides to start this, I think it would be sat/sun only, just due to the fact that WN has been doing that lately with most of their new routes from IND.

MSY:
Depending on what WN does with IND-BNA/ATL, I think IND-MSY will remain Sun-only. IIRC Sep/Oct are low season to MSY, so I doubt they'd make it daily for this extension. Plus, if WN starts IND-BNA, I'm sure a decent amount of pax would be flying IND-BNA-MSY, so WN probably wouldn't want to take away a significant amount of connecting pax from a possible IND-BNA flight...

Others I could see: IND-EWR 2x-->1x daily, IND-DEN 3x-->4x daily, IND-MCO increase, IND-AUS extended if no increase occurs, IND-CUN extended, any others?
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:06 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
ibthebigd wrote:
Hopefully get some Luv from Southwest next weeek

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I've been looking into this a bit, but mostly looking at service to AUS, SAN, SAT, ATL, BNA, MSY

For BNA:
During Q3 WN carried 111 O&D pax per day to ATL, and if you include pax connecting through ATL you get 263 PDEW. If WN were to start IND-BNA, I think they would get around 20-30 O&D pax a day, but that would mean they would have to pull 70-80 connecting pax from another hub (ATL, or to a lesser extent DAL/HOU) to get the flight at an acceptable LF. To do so I think WN would decrease IND-ATL to 2x daily, and make IND-BNA 1x daily.

SAN:
During Q3 WN carried 118 O&D pax per day to SAN, and if you include pax connecting through SAN you get 132 PDEW. No real need for explanation here, I'd expect this service to be extended

AUS:
During Q3 WN carried 44 O&D pax per day to AUS, however with a daily nonstop I'd expect that number to jump to 90-100 PDEW at least. Adding IND-AUS daily wouldn't hurt IND-DAL that much, considering WN only carried 9 PDEW IND-DAL-AUS pax. IND-HOU-AUS on WN was at 19 PDEW. So, I believe they could make IND-AUS daily and maintain the level of service they have to DAL and HOU from IND.

SAT:
WN carried 40 O&D pax per day to SAT, and again considering no competition is on the route I think they could get 70-90 PDEW on IND-SAT. If WN decides to start this, I think it would be sat/sun only, just due to the fact that WN has been doing that lately with most of their new routes from IND.

MSY:
Depending on what WN does with IND-BNA/ATL, I think IND-MSY will remain Sun-only. IIRC Sep/Oct are low season to MSY, so I doubt they'd make it daily for this extension. Plus, if WN starts IND-BNA, I'm sure a decent amount of pax would be flying IND-BNA-MSY, so WN probably wouldn't want to take away a significant amount of connecting pax from a possible IND-BNA flight...

Others I could see: IND-EWR 2x-->1x daily, IND-DEN 3x-->4x daily, IND-MCO increase, IND-AUS extended if no increase occurs, IND-CUN extended, any others?
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:22 am

I want IND to 500 pax flights per day, by the end of 2018!!!
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:24 pm

Look at the IND-CHS schedules for G4. They said this route is seasonal. Didn't expect it to fly all the way in Nov.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:16 pm

zackary747 wrote:
Look at the IND-CHS schedules for G4. They said this route is seasonal. Didn't expect it to fly all the way in Nov.


It appears G4 isn't cutting back at IND even though they are losing 7 planes this year, in fact it looks like their October schedule is beefed up, at peak:
IND-AUS-goes 3x weekly from 2x weekly
IND-SFB-goes 8x weekly from 5x weekly
IND-FLL-goes 6x weekly from 4x weekly
IND-JAX-goes 3x weekly from 2x weekly
IND-PIE-goes 7x weekly from 6x weekly
IND-PGD-goes 8x weekly from 6x weekly

Every route appears to be an A320 as well...

For September they are going from 58 departures to 86

With the addition of AUS, VPS, CHS, SRQ, and AZA and anything else they plan on adding later this year, and all the upguages from A319s/MD80s to A320s, I wonder how much capacity they are adding YOY?
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:48 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
Look at the IND-CHS schedules for G4. They said this route is seasonal. Didn't expect it to fly all the way in Nov.


It appears G4 isn't cutting back at IND even though they are losing 7 planes this year, in fact it looks like their October schedule is beefed up, at peak:
IND-AUS-goes 3x weekly from 2x weekly
IND-SFB-goes 8x weekly from 5x weekly
IND-FLL-goes 6x weekly from 4x weekly
IND-JAX-goes 3x weekly from 2x weekly
IND-PIE-goes 7x weekly from 6x weekly
IND-PGD-goes 8x weekly from 6x weekly

Every route appears to be an A320 as well...

For September they are going from 58 departures to 86

With the addition of AUS, VPS, CHS, SRQ, and AZA and anything else they plan on adding later this year, and all the upguages from A319s/MD80s to A320s, I wonder how much capacity they are adding YOY?


Isn't G4's IND base an A319 base?
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