Briancw
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:22 pm

Nice find on the Community Report, Delta. Good to read more on the future vision, especially when it comes to securing new routes.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:33 pm

Based on FlightAware and a recon trip today, it appears that B36 is now in service for NK. It looks like C48 will get its jetway soon (or it may already be there) hard to see from the roof of the garage. Also, a look at the newest aerial imagery of CMH seems to suggest that Southwest can handle three (3) aircraft from A2 and the more common (2) at A6. I have to wonder how this works for lease rates which normally (I thought) go by the number of physical gates someone has. Does anyone know if WN has to pay for (8) gates since that's effectively what they are operating?

Thanks DeltaRules for the community report, btw. Interesting read. It helps to explain why site cleaning is underway of the wooded area in what will be the Rental Car garage area. Let's hope the crazy NK numbers are only the start and the rising tide really does lift all boats. It would be a pain for travelers, but nothing would make me happier than a bursting at the seams CMH having to bring forward the new terminal a few years.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:01 am

Anyone know the move date for AA to B at CVG? I was there on Thursday, and all the DL ground equipment was gone from B20 on up.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:07 am

deltaffindfw wrote:
Anyone know the move date for AA to B at CVG? I was there on Thursday, and all the DL ground equipment was gone from B20 on up.


Very soon. I think as early as next week. Will make B feel a little more lively.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:49 am

Springs1816 wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
Anyone know the move date for AA to B at CVG? I was there on Thursday, and all the DL ground equipment was gone from B20 on up.


Very soon. I think as early as next week. Will make B feel a little more lively.


It’s scheduled to be April 1st.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:06 am

The AA move to B is April 24th. The ramp rehab for A is scheduled to start April 1st. That's when F9 changes gates to A1 and A2 as their primary gates temporarily.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:46 am

AirportRival wrote:
The AA move to B is April 24th. The ramp rehab for A is scheduled to start April 1st. That's when F9 changes gates to A1 and A2 as their primary gates temporarily.
Thanks for the clarification, I was there a few days ago and all the DL stuff was still up, just the screens had been taken out. Hopefully they are ready on time!

The rest of the gate rehabs in B appear to be close to finishing. They are on B9 as of this morning and it looks like most of the other gates are done. I like the changes in the concourse, it definitely feels closer to Concourse A now.

I am going to be interested to see if OneJet comes back. It sounds like they are starting to resolve some of the earlier fleet/pilot issues. Since the airport has kept them on all the signs and tram announcements, I figure that it still is a possibility.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:08 am

Briancw wrote:
Nice find on the Community Report, Delta. Good to read more on the future vision, especially when it comes to securing new routes.


brooklynchris13 wrote:
Based on FlightAware and a recon trip today, it appears that B36 is now in service for NK. It looks like C48 will get its jetway soon (or it may already be there) hard to see from the roof of the garage. Also, a look at the newest aerial imagery of CMH seems to suggest that Southwest can handle three (3) aircraft from A2 and the more common (2) at A6. I have to wonder how this works for lease rates which normally (I thought) go by the number of physical gates someone has. Does anyone know if WN has to pay for (8) gates since that's effectively what they are operating?

Thanks DeltaRules for the community report, btw. Interesting read. It helps to explain why site cleaning is underway of the wooded area in what will be the Rental Car garage area. Let's hope the crazy NK numbers are only the start and the rising tide really does lift all boats. It would be a pain for travelers, but nothing would make me happier than a bursting at the seams CMH having to bring forward the new terminal a few years.


No problem, I figured they'd make it public, it'd just be a matter of finding it. Didn't figure it'd already be out now. I'd be curious to know how WN pays for the gates as well.

As for more gates to "get the most of the current terminal" as they say will be part of the plan, I'm not sure there's much they can do beyond what we've already talked about. CMH building the big baggage screening centers on either side of B didn't help things (though that was probably the right move at the time). They used to have a triple at B16/18/20 from HP which extended to where the North one is and probably could've put a "B17" where the South one is located (there was a gate tucked back in that corner which HP and YX shared in the '90s). I do find interesting there's a "28A" lead-in line and parking line which looks like it's for 50-seaters; I can make out CRJ, ERD, and E45 from the satellite image.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:10 am

The Easter Bunny brought AirBridgeCargo to LCK. LCK-LGG-MUC-SVO flights are once weekly beginning later this month on a 744. Inbound flights arrive nonstop from SVO: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... pril-2018/

I know they've brought the AN-124 in at times in the past for various jobs (I saw one departing over London (OH) once while stopping at a truck stop for gas), but this is scheduled.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:54 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
Based on FlightAware and a recon trip today, it appears that B36 is now in service for NK. It looks like C48 will get its jetway soon (or it may already be there) hard to see from the roof of the garage. Also, a look at the newest aerial imagery of CMH seems to suggest that Southwest can handle three (3) aircraft from A2 and the more common (2) at A6. I have to wonder how this works for lease rates which normally (I thought) go by the number of physical gates someone has. Does anyone know if WN has to pay for (8) gates since that's effectively what they are operating?

Thanks DeltaRules for the community report, btw. Interesting read. It helps to explain why site cleaning is underway of the wooded area in what will be the Rental Car garage area. Let's hope the crazy NK numbers are only the start and the rising tide really does lift all boats. It would be a pain for travelers, but nothing would make me happier than a bursting at the seams CMH having to bring forward the new terminal a few years.


While there are three parking spots in that area they cannot be used simultaneously. One is A1 which is a RON parking spot, the other two A2 and A2A can be used by the jet bridge and it used to swing to each one but nowadays it stays fixed on A2 and A2A is used as another RON parking location, with aircraft being towed to it from other gates. A6 and A7 share a jet bridge and cannot be used simultaneously so they count as one gate even though the jetbridge swings between them.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:56 pm

In looking at the gate layout at CMH, there are a couple of places where doubling up on jetways would work (A6 could be doubled to add an A7, B29 to add a B30 [to replace the current outdoor B30])...and there are possibly others that could do this, as well. After all, if the object of the game is maximize the existing space, no better way to do than to emulate some of the practices from other airports.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:24 pm

 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:24 pm

Two local media stories on Russian carrier AirBridgeCargo starting service at LCK, making them the 5th international carrier with scheduled service joining Cargolux, Cathay Pacific, Emirates, and Etihad

http://www.dispatch.com/business/201804 ... ckenbacker

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... ntral.html
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:51 pm

Briancw wrote:


In two fewer weeks, NK ran almost as many passengers as F9 and posted comparable numbers to G4 at LCK. F9's numbers covered 17 fewer landings, though.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:55 pm

I am expecting G4 to announce routes for the summer fairly soon as they have started to add/subtract a few routes for the summer (BNA got SYR/PIE today and they are leaving COS).

CVG-SAN/OAK have been long expected, so these seem like the obvious choices. Given the difficulty they have had on BWI, I am not sure they would be eager to try most other large markets.

The smaller markets (<100 PDEW) G4 does not currently serve include (I included PDEW from when there was nonstop service in parenthesis):
PBI - 22 (108-185)
MCI - 56 (139-185)
STL - 40 (139-183)
MKE - 29 (106-136)
MEM - 30 (95-119)
SAT - 36 (89-116) - probably too close to AUS?
ORF - 31 (68-101)
RIC - 20 (70-95)
OMA - 23 (52-83)
PWM - 22 (36-75) - perhaps in a few years, DL ran some impressive capacity to Maine back in the 90's/00's
SYR - 9 (40-50) - BNA got it, but current PDEW just seems too low
Some of these might seem low, but routes like SRQ/VPS had PDEWs of 10-20 when G4 added them, so nonstop service would likely grow demand significantly. STL/MCI/MEM/MKE/OMA seem to have more business demand and not enough leisure IMO.

There is also the question of international flights, but nothing has been discussed about that so far this year.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:35 pm

cvgComair wrote:
I am expecting G4 to announce routes for the summer fairly soon as they have started to add/subtract a few routes for the summer (BNA got SYR/PIE today and they are leaving COS).

CVG-SAN/OAK have been long expected, so these seem like the obvious choices. Given the difficulty they have had on BWI, I am not sure they would be eager to try most other large markets.

The smaller markets (<100 PDEW) G4 does not currently serve include (I included PDEW from when there was nonstop service in parenthesis):
PBI - 22 (108-185)
MCI - 56 (139-185)
STL - 40 (139-183)
MKE - 29 (106-136)
MEM - 30 (95-119)
SAT - 36 (89-116) - probably too close to AUS?
ORF - 31 (68-101)
RIC - 20 (70-95)
OMA - 23 (52-83)
PWM - 22 (36-75) - perhaps in a few years, DL ran some impressive capacity to Maine back in the 90's/00's
SYR - 9 (40-50) - BNA got it, but current PDEW just seems too low
Some of these might seem low, but routes like SRQ/VPS had PDEWs of 10-20 when G4 added them, so nonstop service would likely grow demand significantly. STL/MCI/MEM/MKE/OMA seem to have more business demand and not enough leisure IMO.

There is also the question of international flights, but nothing has been discussed about that so far this year.


Since STL/MCI/MKE already have nonstop service to CVG so why is their number in () different?

I am gussing SAT-CVG running on F9 won't help its chances on G4. (like the other 3 on DL)
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:19 am

Jshank83 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I am expecting G4 to announce routes for the summer fairly soon as they have started to add/subtract a few routes for the summer (BNA got SYR/PIE today and they are leaving COS).

CVG-SAN/OAK have been long expected, so these seem like the obvious choices. Given the difficulty they have had on BWI, I am not sure they would be eager to try most other large markets.

The smaller markets (<100 PDEW) G4 does not currently serve include (I included PDEW from when there was nonstop service in parenthesis):
PBI - 22 (108-185)
MCI - 56 (139-185)
STL - 40 (139-183)
MKE - 29 (106-136)
MEM - 30 (95-119)
SAT - 36 (89-116) - probably too close to AUS?
ORF - 31 (68-101)
RIC - 20 (70-95)
OMA - 23 (52-83)
PWM - 22 (36-75) - perhaps in a few years, DL ran some impressive capacity to Maine back in the 90's/00's
SYR - 9 (40-50) - BNA got it, but current PDEW just seems too low
Some of these might seem low, but routes like SRQ/VPS had PDEWs of 10-20 when G4 added them, so nonstop service would likely grow demand significantly. STL/MCI/MEM/MKE/OMA seem to have more business demand and not enough leisure IMO.

There is also the question of international flights, but nothing has been discussed about that so far this year.


Since STL/MCI/MKE already have nonstop service to CVG so why is their number in () different?

I am gussing SAT-CVG running on F9 won't help its chances on G4. (like the other 3 on DL)


I agree with the business cities probably not being G4s bread and butter but they seem to be diving in to that a little bit more. I think a good add for them would be ORF. Good sized metro not served and decent leisure market with Virginia Beach, Williamsburg, Navy base and Busch Gardens (?). Perhaps replacing BWI with it. For a longer distance flight I think SAN would be a good choice even with F9 doing it seasonal. Maybe they will throw a surprise in there like they usually do.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:50 am

Jshank83 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I am expecting G4 to announce routes for the summer fairly soon as they have started to add/subtract a few routes for the summer (BNA got SYR/PIE today and they are leaving COS).

CVG-SAN/OAK have been long expected, so these seem like the obvious choices. Given the difficulty they have had on BWI, I am not sure they would be eager to try most other large markets.

The smaller markets (<100 PDEW) G4 does not currently serve include (I included PDEW from when there was nonstop service in parenthesis):
PBI - 22 (108-185)
MCI - 56 (139-185)
STL - 40 (139-183)
MKE - 29 (106-136)
MEM - 30 (95-119)
SAT - 36 (89-116) - probably too close to AUS?
ORF - 31 (68-101)
RIC - 20 (70-95)
OMA - 23 (52-83)
PWM - 22 (36-75) - perhaps in a few years, DL ran some impressive capacity to Maine back in the 90's/00's
SYR - 9 (40-50) - BNA got it, but current PDEW just seems too low
Some of these might seem low, but routes like SRQ/VPS had PDEWs of 10-20 when G4 added them, so nonstop service would likely grow demand significantly. STL/MCI/MEM/MKE/OMA seem to have more business demand and not enough leisure IMO.

There is also the question of international flights, but nothing has been discussed about that so far this year.


Since STL/MCI/MKE already have nonstop service to CVG so why is their number in () different?

I am gussing SAT-CVG running on F9 won't help its chances on G4. (like the other 3 on DL)


If I'm not mistaken CVG-STL was cut, as shown in the last OAG thread
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:53 am

Jshank83 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I am expecting G4 to announce routes for the summer fairly soon as they have started to add/subtract a few routes for the summer (BNA got SYR/PIE today and they are leaving COS).

CVG-SAN/OAK have been long expected, so these seem like the obvious choices. Given the difficulty they have had on BWI, I am not sure they would be eager to try most other large markets.

The smaller markets (<100 PDEW) G4 does not currently serve include (I included PDEW from when there was nonstop service in parenthesis):
PBI - 22 (108-185)
MCI - 56 (139-185)
STL - 40 (139-183)
MKE - 29 (106-136)
MEM - 30 (95-119)
SAT - 36 (89-116) - probably too close to AUS?
ORF - 31 (68-101)
RIC - 20 (70-95)
OMA - 23 (52-83)
PWM - 22 (36-75) - perhaps in a few years, DL ran some impressive capacity to Maine back in the 90's/00's
SYR - 9 (40-50) - BNA got it, but current PDEW just seems too low
Some of these might seem low, but routes like SRQ/VPS had PDEWs of 10-20 when G4 added them, so nonstop service would likely grow demand significantly. STL/MCI/MEM/MKE/OMA seem to have more business demand and not enough leisure IMO.

There is also the question of international flights, but nothing has been discussed about that so far this year.


Since STL/MCI/MKE already have nonstop service to CVG so why is their number in () different?

I am gussing SAT-CVG running on F9 won't help its chances on G4. (like the other 3 on DL)

The number is the PDEW range from 2005. So in those cases, it was from when there was significantly more capacity. As far as the reason for the PDEW difference, lower frequency and available seats are part of it, but fares on shorter routes like CVG-STL/MCI/MKE are actually higher today than they were in the early 00's:
CVG-STL: 2005 was $179-270, 2016 was $252-313
CVG-MKE: 2005 was $175-247, 2016 was $297-325
CVG-MCI: 2005 was $194-226, 2016 was $267-283

You can see in the chart below that overall fares were at a low point in 2005, but most shorter routes like these three stayed in this range starting in the late 90's until 2005. It is interesting to note that fares were already on a downward trend in the early 00's, the bankruptcy and financial crisis caused DL to spike fares, crushing demand each time:
Image

Notably, all these routes saw a slight decrease in average price for the first 3 quarters of 2017 and saw a slight increase in PDEW. If LCC pricing could mimic the pricing conditions in the early 00's, I have a feeling the demand would rise again.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:59 am

jtwall wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I am expecting G4 to announce routes for the summer fairly soon as they have started to add/subtract a few routes for the summer (BNA got SYR/PIE today and they are leaving COS).

CVG-SAN/OAK have been long expected, so these seem like the obvious choices. Given the difficulty they have had on BWI, I am not sure they would be eager to try most other large markets.

The smaller markets (<100 PDEW) G4 does not currently serve include (I included PDEW from when there was nonstop service in parenthesis):
PBI - 22 (108-185)
MCI - 56 (139-185)
STL - 40 (139-183)
MKE - 29 (106-136)
MEM - 30 (95-119)
SAT - 36 (89-116) - probably too close to AUS?
ORF - 31 (68-101)
RIC - 20 (70-95)
OMA - 23 (52-83)
PWM - 22 (36-75) - perhaps in a few years, DL ran some impressive capacity to Maine back in the 90's/00's
SYR - 9 (40-50) - BNA got it, but current PDEW just seems too low
Some of these might seem low, but routes like SRQ/VPS had PDEWs of 10-20 when G4 added them, so nonstop service would likely grow demand significantly. STL/MCI/MEM/MKE/OMA seem to have more business demand and not enough leisure IMO.

There is also the question of international flights, but nothing has been discussed about that so far this year.


Since STL/MCI/MKE already have nonstop service to CVG so why is their number in () different?

I am gussing SAT-CVG running on F9 won't help its chances on G4. (like the other 3 on DL)


If I'm not mistaken CVG-STL was cut, as shown in the last OAG thread

That was a regional carrier misfile, nothing changed on the route.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:01 am

cvgComair wrote:
jtwall wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Since STL/MCI/MKE already have nonstop service to CVG so why is their number in () different?

I am gussing SAT-CVG running on F9 won't help its chances on G4. (like the other 3 on DL)


If I'm not mistaken CVG-STL was cut, as shown in the last OAG thread

That was a regional carrier misfile, nothing changed on the route.


Ah, thanks for the clarification. When I was checking some sample dates on the app, for whatever reason I was seeing connecting opportunities only...but I can see the nonstop on the Delta website. Glad to see it's still there.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:44 am

Went through the CVG schedules and put together a snapshot of flights for Monday, June 18 (numbers in parentheses are mainline flights:

Delta
BOS- 3x (1x)
BDL- 1x
JFK- 1x
LGA- 5x (1x)
EWR- 3x
BWI- 3x
DCA- 4x
YYZ- 2x
PHL- 3x
RDU- 2x
CLT- 3x
MCO- (2x)
FLL- (1x)
RSW- (1x)
TPA- (1x)
ATL- (8x)
BNA- 1x
DTW- 5x (1x)
ORD- 4x
MKE- 1x
MSP- 4x (1x)
STL- 2x
MCI- 2x
XNA- 1x
DFW- 3x
IAH- 2x
AUS- 1x
DEN - (1x)
SLC- (2x)
SEA- (1x)
SFO- (1x)
LAS- (1x)
LAX- (2x)
CDG- (1x)
Total- 56 (26) = 82 flights


United
EWR- 6x
IAD- 4x
ORD- 6x (1x)
IAH- 3x
DEN- 2x
SFO- (1x)
Total- 21 (2) = 23 flights


American
JFK- 1x
DCA- 3x
PHL- 6x
CLT- 7x
MIA- 3x
ORD- 7x
DFW- 3x (2x)
LGA- 2x
Total- 32 (2) = 34 flights


Air Canada
YYZ- 3x
Total- 3 flights


WOW Air
KEF- (1x)
Total- 1 flight


Southwest
BWI- (3x)
MDW- (5x)
Total- 8 flights


Allegiant
SAV- (1x)
EWR- (1x)
LAX- (1x)
PVD- (1x)
PIE- (1x)
SFB- (1x)
VPS- (1x)
LAS- (1x)
SRQ- (1x)
MYR- (1x)
FLL- (1x)
JAX- (1x)
PGD- (1x)
BWI- (1x)
IWA- (1x)
Total- (15) = 15 flights


Frontier
DEN- (1x)
RSW- (1x)
LAS- (1x)
LGA- (1x)
MCO- (1x)
PHX- (1x)
SAT- (1x)
TPA- (1x)
ATL- (1x)
LAX- (1x)
MSP- (1x)
PHL- (1x)
RDU- (1x)
Total- (13x) = 13 flight


Combined Totals- 112 (67) = 179 flights


DL's operation, while posting gains in capacity, is still pretty stagnant as far as daily departures. Also seems like G4 is starting to overtake F9...though it wouldn't surprise me if F9 is still ahead as far as capacity.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:29 am

cvgComair wrote:

Notably, all these routes saw a slight decrease in average price for the first 3 quarters of 2017 and saw a slight increase in PDEW. If LCC pricing could mimic the pricing conditions in the early 00's, I have a feeling the demand would rise again.


I did notice prices on CVG-STL have gone down over the last few months (as you mention) I am curious what effect that will have. It used to be at least 150 each way and now it is closer to 100 at times (79 some middle of the week days). I partially wonder if this is to try to keep WN from starting it, but I am not sure how much DL pricing it will impact if they start it, since it will be mostly connections anyway.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:43 pm

The leadership at CMH is looking to increase the passenger facility charge (PFC), per Aviation Pros.

Link: http://www.aviationpros.com/news/124057 ... w-terminal
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:50 pm

I am currently flying DEN-CVG, and they are actually routing DEN-CVG-CDG. I’ve flown this route a lot and I’ve never seen this before. The times do make a lot of sense considering we land around 3 and the paris flight departs a couple hours later.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:53 pm

cvgComair wrote:
I am expecting G4 to announce routes for the summer fairly soon as they have started to add/subtract a few routes for the summer (BNA got SYR/PIE today and they are leaving COS).

CVG-SAN/OAK have been long expected, so these seem like the obvious choices. Given the difficulty they have had on BWI, I am not sure they would be eager to try most other large markets.

The smaller markets (<100 PDEW) G4 does not currently serve include (I included PDEW from when there was nonstop service in parenthesis):
PBI - 22 (108-185)
MCI - 56 (139-185)
STL - 40 (139-183)
MKE - 29 (106-136)
MEM - 30 (95-119)
SAT - 36 (89-116) - probably too close to AUS?
ORF - 31 (68-101)
RIC - 20 (70-95)
OMA - 23 (52-83)
PWM - 22 (36-75) - perhaps in a few years, DL ran some impressive capacity to Maine back in the 90's/00's
SYR - 9 (40-50) - BNA got it, but current PDEW just seems too low
Some of these might seem low, but routes like SRQ/VPS had PDEWs of 10-20 when G4 added them, so nonstop service would likely grow demand significantly. STL/MCI/MEM/MKE/OMA seem to have more business demand and not enough leisure IMO.

There is also the question of international flights, but nothing has been discussed about that so far this year.


I would have to guess next week considering the flights are being announced later this week, as well as next.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:15 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I am expecting G4 to announce routes for the summer fairly soon as they have started to add/subtract a few routes for the summer (BNA got SYR/PIE today and they are leaving COS).

CVG-SAN/OAK have been long expected, so these seem like the obvious choices. Given the difficulty they have had on BWI, I am not sure they would be eager to try most other large markets.

The smaller markets (<100 PDEW) G4 does not currently serve include (I included PDEW from when there was nonstop service in parenthesis):
PBI - 22 (108-185)
MCI - 56 (139-185)
STL - 40 (139-183)
MKE - 29 (106-136)
MEM - 30 (95-119)
SAT - 36 (89-116) - probably too close to AUS?
ORF - 31 (68-101)
RIC - 20 (70-95)
OMA - 23 (52-83)
PWM - 22 (36-75) - perhaps in a few years, DL ran some impressive capacity to Maine back in the 90's/00's
SYR - 9 (40-50) - BNA got it, but current PDEW just seems too low
Some of these might seem low, but routes like SRQ/VPS had PDEWs of 10-20 when G4 added them, so nonstop service would likely grow demand significantly. STL/MCI/MEM/MKE/OMA seem to have more business demand and not enough leisure IMO.

There is also the question of international flights, but nothing has been discussed about that so far this year.

I would have to guess next week considering the flights are being announced later this week, as well as next.

F9 also appears to be gearing up for more route announcements. It should be interesting to see if/what either carrier announces.

SY seems to be getting closer and closer to adding more PTP routes, I will be interested to see if they come to any midwest cities this year. I hope B6 is also looking at CVG/IND/CMH more seriously , all three cities have seen tremendous BOS PDEW growth recently. We especially need some competition here in CVG, pretty crazy DL has kept a complete monopoly on the route for this long.

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
I am currently flying DEN-CVG, and they are actually routing DEN-CVG-CDG. I’ve flown this route a lot and I’ve never seen this before. The times do make a lot of sense considering we land around 3 and the paris flight departs a couple hours later.

That has been the routing for some time, not sure when it started. They also are running CVG-BOS-AMS/LHR routings right now.

I wish they would just make them nonstop :-).
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:35 am

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I hope B6 is also looking at CVG/IND/CMH more seriously, all three cities have seen tremendous BOS PDEW growth recently. We especially need some competition here in CVG, pretty crazy DL has kept a complete monopoly on the route for this long.


DL and WN both already have nonstop service to BOS from both IND and CMH. In addition, B6 also did serve CMH in the past, but pulled out of CMH 10 years ago (source: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2007/10/23/jetblue.html).
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:00 am

Not sure if this means anything, but someone asked G4 about CVG-ORF and they replied, "We're always looking into new routes, you never know what we might announce next!" and replied to @CVG/ORF as well. https://twitter.com/Allegiant/status/981350473641930752
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:01 am

Hmm looks like UA is using an A320 on CVG-IAD, at least for this coming Monday.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:03 am

jplatts wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I hope B6 is also looking at CVG/IND/CMH more seriously, all three cities have seen tremendous BOS PDEW growth recently. We especially need some competition here in CVG, pretty crazy DL has kept a complete monopoly on the route for this long.


DL and WN both already have nonstop service to BOS from both IND and CMH. In addition, B6 also did serve CMH in the past, but pulled out of CMH 10 years ago (source: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2007/10/23/jetblue.html).


Yes, I think the possibility of B6 in CMH may have past. BOS, JFK, and FLL would all have strong competition at this point and B6 would not really offer anything to the market that is new in terms of connecting opportunities. I do not believe, but I could be wrong, that there is not a strong demand from CMH to Latin America or the Caribbean that could fill flights to MCO or FLL for them. I think maybe they should have stuck around and tried a little harder in the market. (much like F9 should have played the game a little more strongly over the last year). Now, it looks like NK may just fill that ULCC/WN competitor void and gobble up a ton of passengers.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:06 am

cvgComair wrote:
WWads wrote:
Hmm looks like UA is using an A320 on CVG-IAD, at least on this coming Monday.

Nice find! It looks like they are going to a 737 May as well!


I was looking at a last-minute trip. UA has really expanded CVG-IAD. It used to be 2x ERJ145s, and is now all 2-cabin RJs, with mainline now apparently. I guess they're trying to push more connections through IAD.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:07 am

WWads wrote:
Hmm looks like UA is using an A320 on CVG-IAD, at least on this coming Monday.

Nice find! It looks like they are going to a 737 May as well!
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:50 am

cvgComair wrote:
WWads wrote:
Hmm looks like UA is using an A320 on CVG-IAD, at least on this coming Monday.

Nice find! It looks like they are going to a 737 May as well!

A B737-900 I might add, quite a big aircraft for the route!
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:28 am

cvgComair wrote:
Not sure if this means anything, but someone asked G4 about CVG-ORF and they replied, "We're always looking into new routes, you never know what we might announce next!" and replied to @CVG/ORF as well. https://twitter.com/Allegiant/status/981350473641930752

LCK-ORF would probably come as well, I read somewhere on here that Columbus has quite a bit of leisure demand to Virginia Beach.

MDW was rumored for G4 as well with four aircraft and a base, according to WNFlyGuy, but I think IND, LCK, CLE, and CVG are too short to see service there on G4 due to the short length of the route.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:55 am

SumChristianus wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Not sure if this means anything, but someone asked G4 about CVG-ORF and they replied, "We're always looking into new routes, you never know what we might announce next!" and replied to @CVG/ORF as well. https://twitter.com/Allegiant/status/981350473641930752

LCK-ORF would probably come as well, I read somewhere on here that Columbus has quite a bit of leisure demand to Virginia Beach.

MDW was rumored for G4 as well with four aircraft and a base, according to WNFlyGuy, but I think IND, LCK, CLE, and CVG are too short to see service there on G4 due to the short length of the route.


G4 does have nonstop service to LAS from AZA, and the distance of the AZA-LAS nonstop route is 276 mi. LCK and CLE are both farther from MDW than AZA is from LAS, with LCK being 288 miles from MDW and with CLE being 307 miles from MDW. I agree that IND and CVG are too close to MDW for G4 to serve MDW nonstop from IND and CVG, but LCK and CLE might be far enough from MDW for G4 to possibly serve MDW nonstop from LCK and CLE.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:58 am

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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:15 pm

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Just curious- any recent load numbers for Delta out of CVG post all the up gauged equipment being used? I'm on CVG-DEN right now and has about 40 seats open. Just curious.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:59 pm

Here are brief numbers for DL mainline at CVG.
2017 Total (Mainline Only)
Dest ... Load Factor ... PDEW
SEA … 91.0% … 41.33972603
LAX … 89.3% … 211.2657534
SLC … 88.2% … 202.9068493
ATL … 87.0% … 915.9616438
TPA … 85.4% … 73.68767123
DEN … 84.9% … 62.09041096
LAS … 83.3% … 118.230137
MCO … 83.2% … 226.6821918
SFO … 80.7% … 108.2356164
FLL … 77.4% … 96.96712329
MSP … 77.2% … 66.28219178
RSW … 75.6% … 44.8109589
DTW … 70.8% … 47.35616438
BOS … 68.4% … 134.5068493
DCA … 61.1% … 26.90684932
LGA … 56.7% … 3.243835616

Grand Total … 83.3% … 2380.473973

December 2017
MSP … 89.9%
LAX … 89.3%
SLC … 89.1%
MCO … 88.1%
ATL … 87.8%
RSW … 87.5%
FLL … 87.5%
DEN … 85.2%
TPA … 84.8%
SFO … 76.5%
LAS … 74.4%
DCA … 66.8%
LGA … 56.7%
BOS … 51.2%

Grand Total … 83.3%

For 2017 overall DL (regional + mainline) had an 83.8% load factor on DEN flights and flew an average of 70.9 PDEW. I beleive this reflects the CR9/717 service throughout 2017 and not the more recent MD90 upgauge, however. There were 234 CVG-DEN 717 frequencies in 2017, 63 CRJ900s, and only 6 MD90 flights, all in December. To summarize, and answer the prior question, I really don't know how the MD90 loads are doing yet, they did alright with the CR9/717, but I think they will struggle with an MD90, especially as UA brings back mainline, WN enters, and G4 recently entered the market, for a total of FIVE carriers now operating or planning to operate on the route.

Here are loads for all routes (all carriers combined) at CVG throughout 2017. I can't break out DL easily as DL shares connection carriers with UA and AA.
AUS … 92.1% … 40.55342466
SEA … 91.0% … 41.33972603
LAX … 89.8% … 317.0712329
SLC … 88.2% … 202.9068493
PIE … 88.2% … 128.4712329
MYR … 88.1% … 27.10136986
AZA … 88.0% … 39.11780822
TPA … 87.4% … 170.4794521
ATL … 86.9% … 948.7863014
LAS … 86.9% … 384.4712329
DEN … 86.2% … 443.4410959
MCO … 85.5% … 467.7863014
VPS … 85.1% … 46.17260274
RSW … 84.5% … 198.1671233
DFW … 83.9% … 482.8657534
FLL … 83.8% … 248.9424658
SFB … 82.4% … 124.5315068
MSP … 82.1% … 316.1972603
JAX … 82.0% … 35.05753425
PGD … 81.7% … 129.5972603
PHX … 81.5% … 124.8136986
IAH … 81.3% … 298.2739726
MSY … 80.9% … 37.35342466
SFO … 80.2% … 244.5534247
MIA … 80.1% … 70.45205479
SAN … 80.0% … 23.52054795
IAD … 79.2% … 136.9479452
JFK … 78.3% … 90.47123288
DTW … 77.8% … 276.3643836
SAV … 76.9% … 44.05205479
ORD … 75.9% … 801.6246575
LGA … 75.5% … 436.1068493
CLT … 72.6% … 428.8931507
MCI … 72.0% … 46.50958904
RDU … 71.9% … 69.28493151
BOS … 71.3% … 227.9643836
MKE … 71.1% … 28.64383562
PHL … 70.4% … 301.3589041
BWI … 70.1% … 251.0191781
DCA … 68.7% … 250.0958904
MDW … 67.0% … 258.060274
EWR … 65.1% … 383.3178082
STL … 60.7% … 54.28219178
BDL … 58.5% … 32.25479452
BNA … 58.1% … 39.90684932
PVD … 53.7% … 2.065753425 (probably diversion)
MEM … 53.2% … 29.23561644
XNA … 40.7% … 16.74246575

Grand Total … 78.7% … 9797.227397

Here are similar CMH loads for all of 2017 for all carriers..
HOU … 94.3% … 5.424657534 (low frequency)
DEN … 88.9% … 472.8547945
FLL … 88.4% … 111.0164384
MCO … 88.3% … 526.9643836
IAD … 87.7% … 217.0520548
LAS … 86.7% … 419.5260274
TPA … 84.7% … 261.7972603
PHX … 84.6% … 335.8027397
DAL … 83.1% … 123.4082192
RSW … 82.6% … 212.3808219
OAK … 82.0% … 124.860274
ORD … 81.9% … 827.3013699
CLT … 80.4% … 450.4821918
BNA … 80.3% … 219.0054795
MSP … 79.7% … 267.6958904
ATL … 79.4% … 1241.939726
IAH … 79.1% … 183.7780822
STL … 79.1% … 201.339726
DFW … 78.8% … 448.9863014
LAX … 77.7% … 193.7013699
MIA … 77.5% … 119.5753425
MDW … 77.4% … 612.5808219
EWR … 76.5% … 259.2438356
DTW … 73.2% … 275.8986301
PHL … 70.6% … 263.2630137
BOS … 70.3% … 276.2958904
DCA … 69.4% … 407.6712329
JFK … 68.8% … 138.2794521
BWI … 68.4% … 352.4547945
LGA … 62.7% … 396.5890411
RDU … 54.2% … 49.7369863
MSY … 45.1% … 4.769863014

Grand Total … 78.3% … 10001.67671

Its interesting to see that while CMH and CVG have similiar paseenger numbers overall, CVG is spread out over more destinations with lower passenger volumes, XNA, MKE, etc, while CMH is more "consolidated".;
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:18 pm

CVG-IAD mainline on UA looks to be semi-permanent, extending into the summer on an A320.
CMH-ORD gets 3x daily mainline, 2x A319, 1x 73G in October.
DAY-ORD sees a lot of Air Wisconsin CR2s however.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:25 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
Here are brief numbers for DL mainline at CVG.
2017 Total (Mainline Only)
Dest ... Load Factor ... PDEW
SEA … 91.0% … 41.33972603
LAX … 89.3% … 211.2657534
SLC … 88.2% … 202.9068493
ATL … 87.0% … 915.9616438
TPA … 85.4% … 73.68767123
DEN … 84.9% … 62.09041096
LAS … 83.3% … 118.230137
MCO … 83.2% … 226.6821918
SFO … 80.7% … 108.2356164
FLL … 77.4% … 96.96712329
MSP … 77.2% … 66.28219178
RSW … 75.6% … 44.8109589
DTW … 70.8% … 47.35616438
BOS … 68.4% … 134.5068493
DCA … 61.1% … 26.90684932
LGA … 56.7% … 3.243835616

Grand Total … 83.3% … 2380.473973

December 2017
MSP … 89.9%
LAX … 89.3%
SLC … 89.1%
MCO … 88.1%
ATL … 87.8%
RSW … 87.5%
FLL … 87.5%
DEN … 85.2%
TPA … 84.8%
SFO … 76.5%
LAS … 74.4%
DCA … 66.8%
LGA … 56.7%
BOS … 51.2%

Grand Total … 83.3%

For 2017 overall DL (regional + mainline) had an 83.8% load factor on DEN flights and flew an average of 70.9 PDEW. I beleive this reflects the CR9/717 service throughout 2017 and not the more recent MD90 upgauge, however. There were 234 CVG-DEN 717 frequencies in 2017, 63 CRJ900s, and only 6 MD90 flights, all in December. To summarize, and answer the prior question, I really don't know how the MD90 loads are doing yet, they did alright with the CR9/717, but I think they will struggle with an MD90, especially as UA brings back mainline, WN enters, and G4 recently entered the market, for a total of FIVE carriers now operating or planning to operate on the route.

Here are loads for all routes (all carriers combined) at CVG throughout 2017. I can't break out DL easily as DL shares connection carriers with UA and AA.
AUS … 92.1% … 40.55342466
SEA … 91.0% … 41.33972603
LAX … 89.8% … 317.0712329
SLC … 88.2% … 202.9068493
PIE … 88.2% … 128.4712329
MYR … 88.1% … 27.10136986
AZA … 88.0% … 39.11780822
TPA … 87.4% … 170.4794521
ATL … 86.9% … 948.7863014
LAS … 86.9% … 384.4712329
DEN … 86.2% … 443.4410959
MCO … 85.5% … 467.7863014
VPS … 85.1% … 46.17260274
RSW … 84.5% … 198.1671233
DFW … 83.9% … 482.8657534
FLL … 83.8% … 248.9424658
SFB … 82.4% … 124.5315068
MSP … 82.1% … 316.1972603
JAX … 82.0% … 35.05753425
PGD … 81.7% … 129.5972603
PHX … 81.5% … 124.8136986
IAH … 81.3% … 298.2739726
MSY … 80.9% … 37.35342466
SFO … 80.2% … 244.5534247
MIA … 80.1% … 70.45205479
SAN … 80.0% … 23.52054795
IAD … 79.2% … 136.9479452
JFK … 78.3% … 90.47123288
DTW … 77.8% … 276.3643836
SAV … 76.9% … 44.05205479
ORD … 75.9% … 801.6246575
LGA … 75.5% … 436.1068493
CLT … 72.6% … 428.8931507
MCI … 72.0% … 46.50958904
RDU … 71.9% … 69.28493151
BOS … 71.3% … 227.9643836
MKE … 71.1% … 28.64383562
PHL … 70.4% … 301.3589041
BWI … 70.1% … 251.0191781
DCA … 68.7% … 250.0958904
MDW … 67.0% … 258.060274
EWR … 65.1% … 383.3178082
STL … 60.7% … 54.28219178
BDL … 58.5% … 32.25479452
BNA … 58.1% … 39.90684932
PVD … 53.7% … 2.065753425 (probably diversion)
MEM … 53.2% … 29.23561644
XNA … 40.7% … 16.74246575

Grand Total … 78.7% … 9797.227397

Here are similar CMH loads for all of 2017 for all carriers..
HOU … 94.3% … 5.424657534 (low frequency)
DEN … 88.9% … 472.8547945
FLL … 88.4% … 111.0164384
MCO … 88.3% … 526.9643836
IAD … 87.7% … 217.0520548
LAS … 86.7% … 419.5260274
TPA … 84.7% … 261.7972603
PHX … 84.6% … 335.8027397
DAL … 83.1% … 123.4082192
RSW … 82.6% … 212.3808219
OAK … 82.0% … 124.860274
ORD … 81.9% … 827.3013699
CLT … 80.4% … 450.4821918
BNA … 80.3% … 219.0054795
MSP … 79.7% … 267.6958904
ATL … 79.4% … 1241.939726
IAH … 79.1% … 183.7780822
STL … 79.1% … 201.339726
DFW … 78.8% … 448.9863014
LAX … 77.7% … 193.7013699
MIA … 77.5% … 119.5753425
MDW … 77.4% … 612.5808219
EWR … 76.5% … 259.2438356
DTW … 73.2% … 275.8986301
PHL … 70.6% … 263.2630137
BOS … 70.3% … 276.2958904
DCA … 69.4% … 407.6712329
JFK … 68.8% … 138.2794521
BWI … 68.4% … 352.4547945
LGA … 62.7% … 396.5890411
RDU … 54.2% … 49.7369863
MSY … 45.1% … 4.769863014

Grand Total … 78.3% … 10001.67671

Its interesting to see that while CMH and CVG have similiar paseenger numbers overall, CVG is spread out over more destinations with lower passenger volumes, XNA, MKE, etc, while CMH is more "consolidated".;


Great info! Thanks for sharing!
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:49 pm

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CVG-IAD mainline on UA looks to be semi-permanent, extending into the summer on an A320.
CMH-ORD gets 3x daily mainline, 2x A319, 1x 73G in October.
DAY-ORD sees a lot of Air Wisconsin CR2s however.


Thanks for the CMH stats and the update. What's the timing on the IAD A320 flights? Could it be designed to position aircraft to/from SFO and IAD via CVG? Back in the "dark ages" of 2006-2008, DL's CMH-ATL (and back) only had a 738 flight to position the plane to operate the LAX flights.

ZW just opened a maintenance base at DAY, which probably has a lot to do with DAY-ORD CR2 mania. They are apparently poaching PSA A&Ps like crazy.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:52 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
CVG-IAD mainline on UA looks to be semi-permanent, extending into the summer on an A320.
CMH-ORD gets 3x daily mainline, 2x A319, 1x 73G in October.
DAY-ORD sees a lot of Air Wisconsin CR2s however.


Thanks for the CMH stats and the update. What's the timing on the IAD A320 flights? Could it be designed to position aircraft to/from SFO and IAD via CVG? Back in the "dark ages" of 2006-2008, DL's CMH-ATL (and back) only had a 738 flight to position the plane to operate the LAX flights.

ZW just opened a maintenance base at DAY, which probably has a lot to do with DAY-ORD CR2 mania. They are apparently poaching PSA A&Ps like crazy.


The IAD and SFO flights are at the same time.
 
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:11 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
CVG-IAD mainline on UA looks to be semi-permanent, extending into the summer on an A320.
CMH-ORD gets 3x daily mainline, 2x A319, 1x 73G in October.
DAY-ORD sees a lot of Air Wisconsin CR2s however.


Thanks for the CMH stats and the update. What's the timing on the IAD A320 flights? Could it be designed to position aircraft to/from SFO and IAD via CVG? Back in the "dark ages" of 2006-2008, DL's CMH-ATL (and back) only had a 738 flight to position the plane to operate the LAX flights.

ZW just opened a maintenance base at DAY, which probably has a lot to do with DAY-ORD CR2 mania. They are apparently poaching PSA A&Ps like crazy.


The IAD and SFO flights are at the same time.

Yeah, it is just an evening out and back, it isn’t connecting with any other mainline flight at CVG.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:16 pm

The FedEx 727 sitting on the east ramp at DAY has been donated to Sinclair Community College for their A&P program. It was originally given to Beavercreek Schools and was the last 727 retired by FX:

http://www.whio.com/news/local/beavercr ... 8E33zHvvK/

I knew about this for a while but couldn't post it until now.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:48 am

It appears that all of UE's routes are safe and have been extended through the end of the schedule. Unfortunately, MDW/PDK/MMU are keeping the new 1x/day, only BKL keeps the 2x/day service.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:34 am

Allegiant has added a 3rd weekly frequency this summer for CVG-CHS, must be doing well for an increase in service already!
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:47 am

cvgComair wrote:
Allegiant has added a 3rd weekly frequency this summer for CVG-CHS, must be doing well for an increase in service already!


They seem to be slowly moving up the coast: Florida to SAV to CHS to ....
I wonder if ORF or ACY are next.
What do you think of the potential of HRL or BXI? I think both are served from MSP by DL and/or SY, and could be possible destination cities for G4 as well. Maybe PNS or PBI, but G4 is starting to have to focus on increased frequencies for growth.
BUF maybe as well?
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:00 am

SumChristianus wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Allegiant has added a 3rd weekly frequency this summer for CVG-CHS, must be doing well for an increase in service already!

They seem to be slowly moving up the coast: Florida to SAV to CHS to ....
I wonder if ORF or ACY are next.
What do you think of the potential of HRL or BXI? I think both are served from MSP by DL and/or SY, and could be possible destination cities for G4 as well. Maybe PNS or PBI, but G4 is starting to have to focus on increased frequencies for growth.
BUF maybe as well?

I think ORF is next on the list, with PBI and SAN/OAK being strong contenders. I also think SYR/BUF could be a good possibility considering SYR was added from BNA. IMO, I don't see HRL or PNS (also add in there DAB and MLB) having enough demand, but you never know. BXI seems a little far for an A320 :-), not sure what IATA code you actually meant.
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Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:14 am

cvgComair wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Allegiant has added a 3rd weekly frequency this summer for CVG-CHS, must be doing well for an increase in service already!

They seem to be slowly moving up the coast: Florida to SAV to CHS to ....
I wonder if ORF or ACY are next.
What do you think of the potential of HRL or BXI? I think both are served from MSP by DL and/or SY, and could be possible destination cities for G4 as well. Maybe PNS or PBI, but G4 is starting to have to focus on increased frequencies for growth.
BUF maybe as well?

I think ORF is next on the list, with PBI and SAN/OAK being strong contenders. I also think SYR/BUF could be a good possibility considering SYR was added from BNA. IMO, I don't see HRL or PNS (also add in there DAB and MLB) having enough demand, but you never know. BXI seems a little far for an A320 :-), not sure what IATA code you actually meant.



Sorry meant Gulfport/Biloxi I guess its code is GPT, interesting.
Its funny that F9 is starting CVG-AUS and CVG-SAT only a day apart....
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