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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:09 pm

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With the exception of LHR, all routes to Europe are "monopolies." (LGW is not really a biz airport and AA pulled out CDG).


I know they are both SkyTeam, but do AF and DL have a TATL JV like AA and BA do? If not, then that would make CDG still somewhat competitive.
 
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:24 pm

33lspotter wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
With the exception of LHR, all routes to Europe are "monopolies." (LGW is not really a biz airport and AA pulled out CDG).


I know they are both SkyTeam, but do AF and DL have a TATL JV like AA and BA do? If not, then that would make CDG still somewhat competitive.


Yes they have a JV.
 
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:38 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
With the exception of LHR, all routes to Europe are "monopolies." (LGW is not really a biz airport and AA pulled out CDG).

Only recently and not for long. AA served BOS-CDG for many years and DY is starting BOS-ORY.
LHR, CDG, FRA, and ZRH are Europe's most important financial centers. AMS, FCO, and MUC are big business destinations. DL already serves FCO thru AZ and i'm not sure that BOS-ZRH is large enough for 2 carriers. So IMO, FRA should be next.
 
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:01 pm

airbazar wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
With the exception of LHR, all routes to Europe are "monopolies." (LGW is not really a biz airport and AA pulled out CDG).

Only recently and not for long. DY is starting BOS-ORY.

DY is starting BOS-CDG and not ORY in May-2018. But a good point - FRA or MUC would be really interesting for DL to pull through. Good O&D and also connection options.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:18 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
33lspotter wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
With the exception of LHR, all routes to Europe are "monopolies." (LGW is not really a biz airport and AA pulled out CDG).


I know they are both SkyTeam, but do AF and DL have a TATL JV like AA and BA do? If not, then that would make CDG still somewhat competitive.


Yes they have a JV.


It's a DL/AF/KL/AZ JV, right?

airbazar wrote:
DL already serves FCO thru AZ


That is, as long as AZ is still around... :eek:
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:56 pm

With LH having loads in the 70s I don’t see DL staring a market like FRA. Contrary to some of be belief on here the BOS market is not THAT large...

DL will grow to make sure that either B6 or WN will be the 3rd carrier in any market they want to add, knowing full well that outside of major markets (LA SF NY sofla) 3 carriers is not sustainable.
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:53 pm

Sort of on topic question, but this question doesn't warrant its own thread: what is the B6 BOS-LGA service like? I know that upon launch, they had free beer/wine, free bagels upon boarding, and you could get free coffee in the terminal with your boarding pass, but did these perks survive until today? Are there any special amenities that I missed?

I'm flying this route in a few weeks and I'm pretty excited to try out their product (and to see what they've done with MAT at LaGuardia)!
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:02 pm

mikegigs wrote:
Sort of on topic question, but this question doesn't warrant its own thread: what is the B6 BOS-LGA service like? I know that upon launch, they had free beer/wine, free bagels upon boarding, and you could get free coffee in the terminal with your boarding pass, but did these perks survive until today? Are there any special amenities that I missed?

I'm flying this route in a few weeks and I'm pretty excited to try out their product (and to see what they've done with MAT at LaGuardia)!


Definitely not the case when I flew them, but to be fair both the outbound and return were afternoon/evening flights. Still good service, though.
 
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:34 pm

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With LH having loads in the 70s I don’t see DL staring a market like FRA. Contrary to some of be belief on here the BOS market is not THAT large...

LH has loads in the 70's because their fares are really, really high which makes up for the low LF. DL also has LF consistently in the 60s to LHR and there isn't even a hint that they will drop the route. Low LF doesn't mean that there isn't a market. There's a reason why LH operates the 748 to BOS, which is the aircraft with the most premium config, I think. I bet DL has a lot of its FFs flying to FRA via CDG or AMS, because those aren't a huge detour and honestly, LH's 4:30pm departure is horrendous. I fly to MUC every year and i've never done it non-stop because it's too rich for me.
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:16 am

Dieuwer wrote:
airbazar wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
I'm interested if DL could be interested to utilize some of the gates for 757 flights to Europe, I think they could be profitable. Maybe fly to Berlin or Dusseldorf or Cologne, I think that could be profitable because airBerlin, Eurowings operated them (not Berlin), and were profitable because there seems to be a hole in the network that could easily be added. Maybe a few other destinations to Europe in some other places, could be profitable too.

Currently DL has flights to DUB, LHR, CDG, and AMS. My opinion about DL's strategy from BOS is that they will enter any market where they see potential for business traffic. With that in mind, I think FRA or MUC would be top of the list despite the presence of LH. In my experience I find the non-stop fares to those 2 markets to be relatively high. It's been a very long time since we've seen anyone other than LH fly BOS-FRA. IIRC, US was the last carrier to do it.


With the exception of LHR, all routes to Europe are "monopolies." (LGW is not really a biz airport and AA pulled out CDG).


DUB - DL & EI
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:12 am

Well who doesn’t love a 6am Flight to MCO, that’s me this morning, however interestingly has anyone seen the billboards on 1A from the B6 pilots wanting a contract with the ironic hashtag #contractaboveall. Can’t exactly miss them and the message
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:26 pm

Heard a fun rumor on the ramp this morning

...allegedly there will be 2 A380s serving Boston this summer. No prizes for guessing the operator
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:52 pm

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Heard a fun rumor on the ramp this morning

...allegedly there will be 2 A380s serving Boston this summer. No prizes for guessing the operator

The T-100's that were posted last week had EK at 93.6% for July....
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:08 pm

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RL757PVD wrote:
With LH having loads in the 70s I don’t see DL staring a market like FRA. Contrary to some of be belief on here the BOS market is not THAT large...

LH has loads in the 70's because their fares are really, really high which makes up for the low LF. DL also has LF consistently in the 60s to LHR and there isn't even a hint that they will drop the route. Low LF doesn't mean that there isn't a market. There's a reason why LH operates the 748 to BOS, which is the aircraft with the most premium config, I think. I bet DL has a lot of its FFs flying to FRA via CDG or AMS, because those aren't a huge detour and honestly, LH's 4:30pm departure is horrendous. I fly to MUC every year and i've never done it non-stop because it's too rich for me.


JFK FRA on DL was still a 757 a few years ago, and there’s more than enough convenient connections over CDG and AMS via the JV for the loyalists without backtracking (I.e. large markets like LON and DUB).

I honestly don’t think DL will add too much more to the already saturated BOS TATL portfolio because much more and it will limit their ability to run a decent domestic schedule between 4pm and 7pm which is prime time, even with the 5 gates back.

Last I heard DL DUB was not meeting expectations, so let’s see if that sticks around more than a couple years first.
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:58 pm

FGITD wrote:
Heard a fun rumor on the ramp this morning

...allegedly there will be 2 A380s serving Boston this summer. No prizes for guessing the operator


BA + HiFly operating for Azores Airlines? :rotfl:
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:07 am

Emirates makes turn-on-a-dime equipment changes, sometimes only a month or two before it occurs. So they’re obviously #2. BA shows no signs of deviating from the 3x weekly from last summer.
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:38 am

FGITD wrote:
Heard a fun rumor on the ramp this morning

...allegedly there will be 2 A380s serving Boston this summer. No prizes for guessing the operator

Probably EK (most likely), LH and AF (less likely), S4 leasing from Hi-Fly (not possible, but who knows).
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:10 pm

BOS Dec-2017 numbers are out.

Total pax numbers for the year 2017 = 38,412,419
Total pax numbers for the year 2016 = 33,515,905
AAGR for the year 2017 = 14.61%

Total international pax numbers for the year 2017 = 7,163,020
International pax % in 2017 as a percent of total pax = 18.65%
International pax % in 2016 as a percent of total pax = 19.65% - I suspect this drop is possible due to Caribbean and 2nd EK flight that got dropped but domestic increases compensated for the net loss in international pax.

MSP numbers are not yet out for Dec-2017 but I am fairly confident BOS has taken over MSP. BOS will be at number 16 this year for US airports based on passenger numbers. #15 is most likely IAH and though they have not posted the Dec-2017 numbers, the fiscal year summary shows 41,415,243 pax. I will go through the numbers again - BOS is behind IAH by 1,437,871 pax. The margin of difference is not too high in comparative terms and hopefully BOS slowly catches up in 2018.

Great going BOS and kudos for another record year! VS4ever will post the detailed stats on the individual routes. I will post the overall statistics in the 2017 large hubs thread.
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:29 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
airbazar wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
With LH having loads in the 70s I don’t see DL staring a market like FRA. Contrary to some of be belief on here the BOS market is not THAT large...

I honestly don’t think DL will add too much more to the already saturated BOS TATL portfolio because much more and it will limit their ability to run a decent domestic schedule between 4pm and 7pm which is prime time, even with the 5 gates back.

Last I heard DL DUB was not meeting expectations, so let’s see if that sticks around more than a couple years first.

I looked at T-100 and VS4ever can add detailed commentary but BOS-DUB load factors for the month of June-2017 are 84.25%. July-2017 per T-100 does show a drop with loads = 71%. There are some pluses and some negatives which I am sure DL will figure out for BOS. With a AAGR of 14.61% in 2017, I am sure DL route hawks are not going to let it off so easily and there maybe some cool additions.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:05 pm

iyerhari wrote:
BOS Dec-2017 numbers are out.

Total pax numbers for the year 2017 = 38,412,419
Total pax numbers for the year 2016 = 33,515,905
AAGR for the year 2017 = 14.61%

Total international pax numbers for the year 2017 = 7,163,020
International pax % in 2017 as a percent of total pax = 18.65%
International pax % in 2016 as a percent of total pax = 19.65% - I suspect this drop is possible due to Caribbean and 2nd EK flight that got dropped but domestic increases compensated for the net loss in international pax.

MSP numbers are not yet out for Dec-2017 but I am fairly confident BOS has taken over MSP. BOS will be at number 16 this year for US airports based on passenger numbers. #15 is most likely IAH and though they have not posted the Dec-2017 numbers, the fiscal year summary shows 41,415,243 pax. I will go through the numbers again - BOS is behind IAH by 1,437,871 pax. The margin of difference is not too high in comparative terms and hopefully BOS slowly catches up in 2018.

Great going BOS and kudos for another record year! VS4ever will post the detailed stats on the individual routes. I will post the overall statistics in the 2017 large hubs thread.

Where do you find these statistics?
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:15 pm

Search for Logan airport passenger statistics and compute and validate numbers on a monthly basis. For other airports such as MSP, IAH, it requires going through their respective monthly reported data and then tallying the final numbers on their website.
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:29 pm

MSP Dec-2017 numbers are out and it is confirmed BOS has overtaken MSP. MSP 2017 total pax = 38,034,341 and the deficit is 378,524 pax.
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:04 pm

iyerhari wrote:
BOS Dec-2017 numbers are out.

Total pax numbers for the year 2017 = 38,412,419
Total pax numbers for the year 2016 = 33,515,905
AAGR for the year 2017 = 14.61%

Total international pax numbers for the year 2017 = 7,163,020
International pax % in 2017 as a percent of total pax = 18.65%
International pax % in 2016 as a percent of total pax = 19.65% - I suspect this drop is possible due to Caribbean and 2nd EK flight that got dropped but domestic increases compensated for the net loss in international pax.

MSP numbers are not yet out for Dec-2017 but I am fairly confident BOS has taken over MSP. BOS will be at number 16 this year for US airports based on passenger numbers. #15 is most likely IAH and though they have not posted the Dec-2017 numbers, the fiscal year summary shows 41,415,243 pax. I will go through the numbers again - BOS is behind IAH by 1,437,871 pax. The margin of difference is not too high in comparative terms and hopefully BOS slowly catches up in 2018.

Great going BOS and kudos for another record year! VS4ever will post the detailed stats on the individual routes. I will post the overall statistics in the 2017 large hubs thread.

I went through the IAH website and they haven't yet posted the Dec-2017 numbers. I will update the group when that is available. Sorry.
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:34 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
Search for Logan airport passenger statistics and compute and validate numbers on a monthly basis. For other airports such as MSP, IAH, it requires going through their respective monthly reported data and then tallying the final numbers on their website.


I used to use this link but Oct-Dec are not listed is there a new page???
http://www.massport.com/logan-airport/a ... tatistics/

I am listed in the distribution list from Massport when the numbers are officially out. The report is compiled and approved but it takes a very long time to upload it to the website. Please ping me private and will send you the reports to your email address.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:34 pm

iyerhari wrote:
Search for Logan airport passenger statistics and compute and validate numbers on a monthly basis. For other airports such as MSP, IAH, it requires going through their respective monthly reported data and then tallying the final numbers on their website.


I used to use this link but Oct-Dec are not listed is there a new page???
http://www.massport.com/logan-airport/a ... tatistics/
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:00 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
Search for Logan airport passenger statistics and compute and validate numbers on a monthly basis. For other airports such as MSP, IAH, it requires going through their respective monthly reported data and then tallying the final numbers on their website.


I used to use this link but Oct-Dec are not listed is there a new page???
http://www.massport.com/logan-airport/a ... tatistics/


No, iyerhari is getting them direct from Massport right now before they are uploaded. He has Oct to Dec if you message him

In other news it’s confirmed separately that for now PF BHX-BOS is cancelled. We had had information that flights were being cancelled so it was only a matter of time before it came through

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... 18-launch/
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:27 pm

With BOS overtaking MSP, it will be interesting to see if BOS breaks into the ACI global top 50 in terms of passenger traffic. MSP was #49 last year, BOS #53 globally, and I believe it was #51 the year before. Last year's #50 was DOH at 37.283 million passengers.
 
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:28 pm

VS4ever wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
Search for Logan airport passenger statistics and compute and validate numbers on a monthly basis. For other airports such as MSP, IAH, it requires going through their respective monthly reported data and then tallying the final numbers on their website.


I used to use this link but Oct-Dec are not listed is there a new page???
http://www.massport.com/logan-airport/a ... tatistics/


No, iyerhari is getting them direct from Massport right now before they are uploaded. He has Oct to Dec if you message him

In other news it’s confirmed separately that for now PF BHX-BOS is cancelled. We had had information that flights were being cancelled so it was only a matter of time before it came through

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... 18-launch/

Is it known if their service to CDG is cancelled
 
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:32 pm

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/b ... m-14215588

The flights are being cut as per the local website due to poor demand. The flights to CDG are still intact.
 
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:45 pm

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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/business/boston-new-york-flights-birmingham-14215588

The flights are being cut as per the local website due to poor demand. The flights to CDG are still intact.


Interestingly, also, that clears up an awkward spot for Massport in their evening schedule (8-9pm), now everything technically fits into 12 gates, whereas before for 3 days a week, it did not quite do that.

As a local to BHX in my former life. I am saddened that this never got off the ground so to speak, but it doesn't surprise me. That said, a LONG way down the road, I might see B6 take a potential punt at it, because they have the connecting abilities at BOS to get to a lot more places, than PF ever would. PF were relying on O&D, and it's just not that big, for many reasons, including MAN to the north and LHR to the south. It amazes me really that it's not a bigger success because driving to MAN/LHR at certain times of the day, just SUCKS, with all those lovely speed cameras on the the motorways etc. But alas, it's not to be and as I said unless B6 take a look at it in the future, I will be surprised if it ever appears.
Shame, i was so excited about it when they announced. Now we will really see what they are made of, with CDG and STN routes. They are still bookable and available on their site. BHX is still available to NYC as well. But so be it, we move on and look forward to seeing the battle that is BOS-CDG with 4 carriers in summer 18. It's not going to end well for someone, I suspect. I'll be getting the popcorn out when the T-100's show up late next year.
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:45 pm

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But so be it, we move on and look forward to seeing the battle that is BOS-CDG with 4 carriers in summer 18. It's not going to end well for someone, I suspect. I'll be getting the popcorn out when the T-100's show up late next year.


You and me both!

I have to say, my perspective of CDG as an airport has turned the corner a bit. Or perhaps, my perspective on AirFrance and CDG has turned the corner. The last several times I've connected through CDG, most recently to India, my experience has been great. I also love the new AF business class.
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:59 pm

VS4ever wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/business/boston-new-york-flights-birmingham-14215588

The flights are being cut as per the local website due to poor demand. The flights to CDG are still intact.


Interestingly, also, that clears up an awkward spot for Massport in their evening schedule (8-9pm), now everything technically fits into 12 gates, whereas before for 3 days a week, it did not quite do that.

As a local to BHX in my former life. I am saddened that this never got off the ground so to speak, but it doesn't surprise me. That said, a LONG way down the road, I might see B6 take a potential punt at it, because they have the connecting abilities at BOS to get to a lot more places, than PF ever would. PF were relying on O&D, and it's just not that big, for many reasons, including MAN to the north and LHR to the south. It amazes me really that it's not a bigger success because driving to MAN/LHR at certain times of the day, just SUCKS, with all those lovely speed cameras on the the motorways etc. But alas, it's not to be and as I said unless B6 take a look at it in the future, I will be surprised if it ever appears.
Shame, i was so excited about it when they announced. Now we will really see what they are made of, with CDG and STN routes. They are still bookable and available on their site. BHX is still available to NYC as well. But so be it, we move on and look forward to seeing the battle that is BOS-CDG with 4 carriers in summer 18. It's not going to end well for someone, I suspect. I'll be getting the popcorn out when the T-100's show up late next year.


Been thinking about the loss of BHX today... I wonder if it would be a different story if MT tried it.
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:34 pm

tlecam wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
But so be it, we move on and look forward to seeing the battle that is BOS-CDG with 4 carriers in summer 18. It's not going to end well for someone, I suspect. I'll be getting the popcorn out when the T-100's show up late next year.


You and me both!

I have to say, my perspective of CDG as an airport has turned the corner a bit. Or perhaps, my perspective on AirFrance and CDG has turned the corner. The last several times I've connected through CDG, most recently to India, my experience has been great. I also love the new AF business class.

The market has really changed, from the one AF 744, to 4 carriers two of which are budget airlines.
Is it known if AF will be doing the 2 daily flights in the summer like they did last year or what their schedule will be in general?
 
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:38 pm

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Been thinking about the loss of BHX today... I wonder if it would be a different story if MT tried it.


MT have a better name in the UK market, of that there is no doubt, but they are not big from BHX, hence the MAN route where their 330's are based and having BHX might bleed a route that finding it's feet, I am hoping for a bit more frequency in 19, but we shall see.

Honestly in times past I could have seen Monarch trying it, given their nature to do some LH stuff, but as they are now extinct, that's clearly not going to happen.

Sad time for BHX, but I think they will continue to exist the way they are. STN will be super interesting to see if a market can be created from there. As pax counts continue to rise and the likes of MAN start to get tapped out, there is a shot that BHX may have something, but I think PF was the only one crazy enough to push the button, alas, not to be.
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:12 pm

AF might just stick with one daily at this rate, and make it a 77W for summer and a 789 for winter.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:37 pm

With all the growth over the last couple of years, is anything being done to alleviate the TSA bottleneck at Terminal E?
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:10 am

NickolayAv wrote:
tlecam wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
But so be it, we move on and look forward to seeing the battle that is BOS-CDG with 4 carriers in summer 18. It's not going to end well for someone, I suspect. I'll be getting the popcorn out when the T-100's show up late next year.


You and me both!

I have to say, my perspective of CDG as an airport has turned the corner a bit. Or perhaps, my perspective on AirFrance and CDG has turned the corner. The last several times I've connected through CDG, most recently to India, my experience has been great. I also love the new AF business class.

The market has really changed, from the one AF 744, to 4 carriers two of which are budget airlines.
Is it known if AF will be doing the 2 daily flights in the summer like they did last year or what their schedule will be in general?


chrisnh wrote:
AF might just stick with one daily at this rate, and make it a 77W for summer and a 789 for winter.


Well its one 77W and one A332 for most of the summer. CDG is a global hub and the new entrants airlines offer ZERO connections. On my flight last year - I noticed the following destinations of people who stood with me in line or sat next to me: 2x BCN, 2x SOF, 1x DEL, 2x BEY. Including myself, 5 of us were connecting onto other airlines Middle East Airlines, Bulgaria Air, and Middle East Airlines. If anything fly to a 3rd hub bank at CDG - The early DL and AF departures arrive at the same time.

Dieuwer wrote:
With all the growth over the last couple of years, is anything being done to alleviate the TSA bottleneck at Terminal E?


I didn't have issues with TSA lines the past three summers (haven't heard of many complaints) and I've been lucky with CBP on the way home.
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:34 am

adamh8297 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
With all the growth over the last couple of years, is anything being done to alleviate the TSA bottleneck at Terminal E?


I didn't have issues with TSA lines the past three summers (haven't heard of many complaints) and I've been lucky with CBP on the way home.

There have been problems with both security lines and customs lines in Logan. There were points where people were left waiting for 3 hours in customs. It usually is okay, but during peak hours when a few planes land in a row, the wait at customs can be awful. As far as I know, last year Logan employed extra people for both securing and customs for peak travel season, when there was a bunch of complaints, but in the long run the only way they will alleviate the problem is if they do the Terminal E expansion where I think there will be a new CBP and Security area.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:24 am

NickolayAv wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
With all the growth over the last couple of years, is anything being done to alleviate the TSA bottleneck at Terminal E?


I didn't have issues with TSA lines the past three summers (haven't heard of many complaints) and I've been lucky with CBP on the way home.

There have been problems with both security lines and customs lines in Logan. There were points where people were left waiting for 3 hours in customs. It usually is okay, but during peak hours when a few planes land in a row, the wait at customs can be awful. As far as I know, last year Logan employed extra people for both securing and customs for peak travel season, when there was a bunch of complaints, but in the long run the only way they will alleviate the problem is if they do the Terminal E expansion where I think there will be a new CBP and Security area.


Want to know how they are actually getting on... check it out :)
http://awhitelocks.wixsite.com/newengla ... mparatives, bottom report details comparatives over the last few years. Improvements definitely, perfect, far from it, but I agree, it won't get a lot better until Phase I of the extension is complete.
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:26 am

About the Terminal E Expansion, has there been any information about it recently? Has it been approved already?
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:03 am

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adamh8297 wrote:
Been thinking about the loss of BHX today... I wonder if it would be a different story if MT tried it.


MT have a better name in the UK market, of that there is no doubt, but they are not big from BHX, hence the MAN route where their 330's are based and having BHX might bleed a route that finding it's feet, I am hoping for a bit more frequency in 19, but we shall see.


It'll be interesting to see how MT and VS plays out at MAN-BOS. Overall weekly rotations few about right at 4/5, but it's not quite the same as having a service 5 days of the week! Perhaps one of them will get the upper hand or the market will grow to permit additional rotations from S19.

Getting the route to either a longer season or year round will also be a big step forward!
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:20 am

NickolayAv wrote:
tlecam wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
But so be it, we move on and look forward to seeing the battle that is BOS-CDG with 4 carriers in summer 18. It's not going to end well for someone, I suspect. I'll be getting the popcorn out when the T-100's show up late next year.



The market has really changed, from the one AF 744, to 4 carriers two of which are budget airlines.
Is it known if AF will be doing the 2 daily flights in the summer like they did last year or what their schedule will be in general?


Still 2 flights. Early 772/77w, and the late a332. Interestingly, last year the 332 wasn't daily, only 6x a week I think. And this year it was added later than usual, then brought back to daily.

(Even back when it was a 744, there were still 2 flights. I think a few years were even 2 744s daily)

Also noticed the 789 is going to stay on the AF route until mid June now.

I'm sure DY will fill the CDG flight just fine. But I also think AF and DL will compete quite well. Looking ahead, there are some cheap fares on them this summer which indicate that they're ready to go toe to toe on this route.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:42 pm

I know airlines target business travelers, but I think the BHX market really needs to work on increasing the tourist base. No one on the US side ever thinks of Birmingham, and I think a good advertising program on Birmingham and the region would do a lot to bring in more passengers.
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:21 pm

cloudboy wrote:
I know airlines target business travelers, but I think the BHX market really needs to work on increasing the tourist base. No one on the US side ever thinks of Birmingham, and I think a good advertising program on Birmingham and the region would do a lot to bring in more passengers.


100% agree. When BOS-MAN launched on VS, they had a few banner ads around Manchester and the football in the city. Something about all the cool things to do in the Midlands would bring exposure in BOS that perhaps it hasn't had to this point.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:30 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how MT and VS plays out at MAN-BOS. Overall weekly rotations few about right at 4/5, but it's not quite the same as having a service 5 days of the week! Perhaps one of them will get the upper hand or the market will grow to permit additional rotations from S19.

Getting the route to either a longer season or year round will also be a big step forward!


Certainly seems that MT has had the upper hand in terms of loads thus far, as I remember that the one month I saw had MT at 89% and VS at 60%. I think that a factor may be that -- while VS has long been associated with LHR from BOS -- MT, at least to BOS folks, would be better known as the "MAN" carrier. And with relatives in Lancashire who took MT to BOS in June, there's my anecdotal data!
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:34 pm

33lspotter wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how MT and VS plays out at MAN-BOS. Overall weekly rotations few about right at 4/5, but it's not quite the same as having a service 5 days of the week! Perhaps one of them will get the upper hand or the market will grow to permit additional rotations from S19.

Getting the route to either a longer season or year round will also be a big step forward!


Certainly seems that MT has had the upper hand in terms of loads thus far, as I remember that the one month I saw had MT at 89% and VS at 60%. I think that a factor may be that -- while VS has long been associated with LHR from BOS -- MT, at least to BOS folks, would be better known as the "MAN" carrier. And with relatives in Lancashire who took MT to BOS in June, there's my anecdotal data!


Do you know if BOS offers a detailed breakdown of passengers by airline? I know IAH does (for example) and, if BOS breaks down in the same way it might be possible to work out loads for VS and MT.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:44 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
Do you know if BOS offers a detailed breakdown of passengers by airline? I know IAH does (for example) and, if BOS breaks down in the same way it might be possible to work out loads for VS and MT.

They do not unfortunately although the website states that detailed breakdown spreadsheets are available. I have asked Massport analytics division and myself wanted that to find the market share statistics by carriers. Many airports - LAS, MSP, PHL, LAX, FLL, MIA etc. provide detailed airline carrier breakdown.
 
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Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:07 pm

Air Europa was removed from Massport's lists of airlines at Logan.
Looks like it's official they won't come back. :(
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:32 pm

Any rumors of any new airline starting service at BOS in 2018. Still hoping to see either KE fly ICN-BOS-ICN or CI/BR fly TPE-BOS-TPE. I think KE is the most likely to commence service from BOS. IF EK was to restore 2nd daily flight to BOS do you think they would consider flying DXB-ATH-BOS-ATH-DXB or DXB-MXP-BOS-MXP-DXB assuming they could obtain fifth freedom rights? Assuming EK could obtain fifth freedom rights could possibly make 2nd daily flight viable to DXB while serving a new destination from BOS. Perhaps split ATH-BOS-ATH 3x and MXP-BOS-MXP 4x.
Any news on AV and flights SJO-BOS-SJO? Has this route been confirmed yet? If so is this service daily?
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:22 pm

iyerhari wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
Do you know if BOS offers a detailed breakdown of passengers by airline? I know IAH does (for example) and, if BOS breaks down in the same way it might be possible to work out loads for VS and MT.

They do not unfortunately although the website states that detailed breakdown spreadsheets are available. I have asked Massport analytics division and myself wanted that to find the market share statistics by carriers. Many airports - LAS, MSP, PHL, LAX, FLL, MIA etc. provide detailed airline carrier breakdown.


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