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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:51 pm

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-Also TK to open routes to Freetown (Sierra Leone), Samarkand (Uzbekistan), Aqaba (Jordan) and Krasnodar (Russia) in 2018.

Please continue with your views, news, photos, rumors and good old sense of humor. Thank you.

Safe travels and Happy Landings to all :)



Well, it seems nor MEX nor CUN are still on TK plans.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:53 pm

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Well, it seems nor MEX nor CUN are still on TK plans.

I know MEX is in plans but not possible due to MEX being "hot and high", probably have to wait for 787/350.
I was not aware TK ever considered CUN.
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:34 pm

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pzurita1 wrote:


Well, it seems nor MEX nor CUN are still on TK plans.

I know MEX is in plans but not possible due to MEX being "hot and high", probably have to wait for 787/350.
I was not aware TK ever considered CUN.


I still don't understand why. MEX-NRT is just 200 kms short of MEX-IST and AM doe sit without stops. Sure, AM does MEX-MTY-ICN-MEX but MEX ICN is almost 900 kms farther. MEX-IST has a good potential.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:46 pm

The A350 deal with Airbus is now official.

Turkish Airlines orders 25 A350s
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:42 pm

Is this A350 order a firm order?

If so why is the 787 order still waiting?

Edit: I see it is firm. So that still leaves the question, why is the 787 order still waiting?
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:54 pm

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Is this A350 order a firm order?

If so why is the 787 order still waiting?

Edit: I see it is firm. So that still leaves the question, why is the 787 order still waiting?

Where do you see that it is firm?
Latest, still 20+5 options of MOU, same with 787 LOI's. Both, not firm.
http://atwonline.com/aircraft-orders-de ... -xwb-order
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:59 pm

It's bad that there is not a MOU for the ULR model. Very sad.
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:34 pm

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It's bad that there is not a MOU for the ULR model. Very sad.

I think there might be still time, but TK has to justify this.

I have been looking at the numbers; 350-900ULR is capable of taking 24,000lt. more fuel and flying an extra 600nm, up to 20 hrs in the air.
From what I understand -900 and ULR are not that different and can go from one type to the other. ( I have no idea how??)
ULR is only needed for IST-SYD or Auckland. Also there might be a chance that TK can take a hit on payload and might be able to fly IST-SYD nonstop with -900.
TK also might be able to do a ESB-SYD with -900 one day, if ESB becomes more hub like.

So, TK has to decide:
Do we need ULR to fly only one route in the world? How many frames needed? If daily 3-4???
For years, I have been saying that if this happens it might not be financially viable. For prestige only.
(Flying an already saturated market, flying an extra crew on board, tankering fuel, feeding the pax 3 meals, taking a cargo penalty)
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:07 pm

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TK also might be able to do a ESB-SYD with -900 one day, if ESB becomes more hub like.

Insallah, but as ESB is 900m above sea level, I’m not sure that it is technically possible.
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:16 pm

DHMI has just released end-of 2017 statistics. IST has scored 63.7M plus. The decisive increase comes from international pax. Looks like IST has recovered pretty well after the unfortunate 2016 downfall.

I guess TKfan is the winner of our betting, sometime in 2017.

Pls. take note of the figures & comments in the link below (sorry that the comments are in Turkish but the tables reveal almost all. I am not in the position to post images here, yet!...):

http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 54#6264254
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:58 pm

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TK also might be able to do a ESB-SYD with -900 one day, if ESB becomes more hub like.

Insallah, but as ESB is 900m above sea level, I’m not sure that it is technically possible.

My mistake, I thought hot and high meant over 5000 ft and 80°F. Not sure 900m qualifies, it might I don't know.
But given the 750m longer runway at ESB, cooler year-round temps, it might be technically possible. But probably not a chance :)
I was only trying to make a point, that the range of 350-900 is just on the edge of a nonstop IST-SYD. It is possible.
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:08 pm

Turkish and Canadian Civil Aviation Authorities met in December in Canada. Canada offered 3 slots to TK for YVR IST, Turkish position remained unchanged from last year, daily slot request. So it is on the table if TK wants to launch YVR they can do so, I hope they will use this opportunity, YVR is a very preserved market and they are lucky to get this 3 slots, I hope they will take it before it is gone...
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:58 am

Wow great news for TK and Airbus

Few Questions i have also
Any A350ULR for Australia or other long range routes in this order ?
Could we see A350K ?
Why only 20+5 ?
Why was the 787 order just a LOI and not firm like this order ?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:25 am

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gokmengs wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
If the article below is correct, TK and Airbus are about to sign a deal for 25 A350s today.

http://www.airkule.com/haber/THY-A350-9 ... ACAK/29268


Karel or TK787 do the honors and start a thread please, although it would be ironic if TK787 started the TK buying A350 thread:))))


Ha ha ha.... It can't be me.
But I would like to congratulate my best friend "TK350", that joined a.net 11 years ago. He is a lurker here but we talk about everything aviation all the time :)

Many questions I have:
-787-900 vs. 350-900, what routes do they get deployed mainly?
-Seat Plans for both; Business 2-2-2 or different, Economy 2-4-2, 3-3-3 ?? Both might average out 28-32 J/ 270-285Y, what do you think?
-This covers TK's long and thin route fleet, what comes after 77W for trunk routes?


Well hopefully they go 1-2-1 in Business.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:36 am

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Well hopefully they go 1-2-1 in Business.

I really doubt it.
350-900 cabin is 35cm wider than TK's 330-300s. I have flown the 2-2-2 J seats many times and pretty happy with it.
I think, they will stick with 2-2-2 and it will feel a bit roomier with that extra cabin width.
Economy section, I'm afraid will squeeze another seat and become 3-3-3, as opposed to the current 2-4-2 on the 330-300s :(

So, IMHO, I predict TK 350-900s will have 36J/280Y seats.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:17 pm

IMHO, some of TK's present and future long but thin Americas routes will be flown by the 350's. Among these may be BOS, IAD, MIA, ATL (present routes), YVR, SEA (future ones). Possibly MEX and any other South American routes planned for the future (like Chile, Peru, etc.) On the Asean side: possibly TPE, any further India routes if bilaterals can be made.

However, in any case these 20+5 359 order also is not a "firm order", like the 789 one it's yet in LOI stage; AFAIK.

By the time these 20 new 359s fully enter the fleet at least 10 of TK's own inventory 333s plus the 7 leased ex-Skymark 333s and the single leased Afriqiyah 333 will probably leave the fleet or maybe modified for charter Hadj/Umrah flights replacing those 4 vintage 343s as well as a number of (if not all) leased 332s.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:54 pm

mafaky wrote:
IMHO, some of TK's present and future long but thin Americas routes will be flown by the 350's. Among these may be BOS, IAD, MIA, ATL (present routes), YVR, SEA (future ones). Possibly MEX and any other South American routes planned for the future (like Chile, Peru, etc.) On the Asean side: possibly TPE, any further India routes if bilaterals can be made.

However, in any case these 20+5 359 order also is not a "firm order", like the 789 one it's yet in LOI stage; AFAIK.

By the time these 20 new 359s fully enter the fleet at least 10 of TK's own inventory 333s plus the 7 leased ex-Skymark 333s and the single leased Afriqiyah 333 will probably leave the fleet or maybe modified for charter Hadj/Umrah flights replacing those 4 vintage 343s as well as a number of (if not all) leased 332s.


I talked to one of the TK guest service agents in Panama City while I was there, he said that the flights are absolutely full and they expect an upgauge soon, either to a 333 or a 777. So we can see 350's on more routes. TPE is very likely too.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:00 am

JFK has NOTAMed Terminal 1 to be closed until tomorrow morning 4AM.
TK1 (which uses T1) is currently on its way to JFK, wonder where TK1 will divert. It would have probably turned back to IST if it wasn't already so close to JFK.

JFK has been a total mess since the snow blizzard two days ago, I've never seen anything like it. I'm lucky I got into JFK trouble free right before the blizzard and extreme cold.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:29 am

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JFK has NOTAMed Terminal 1 to be closed until tomorrow morning 4AM.
TK1 (which uses T1) is currently on its way to JFK, wonder where TK1 will divert. It would have probably turned back to IST if it wasn't already so close to JFK.

JFK has been a total mess since the snow blizzard two days ago, I've never seen anything like it. I'm lucky I got into JFK trouble free right before the blizzard and extreme cold.

Really? TK1 landed more than hour ago. Where do you see that Terminal 1 is closed?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:42 am

According to Wikipedia the deal with Airbus looks firm and the 787 LOI is only for 10 787-8 WTF?
Here is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:56 am

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According to Wikipedia the deal with Airbus looks firm and the 787 LOI is only for 10 787-8 WTF?
Here is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines
Thoughts comments ?

It's wikipedia, anyone can add wrong information, but everybody can also correct it again.

TK has communicated that it's an LOI for 20 x 20 787-9, that's the only info that could be added to wiki right now until the order is firmed up.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:44 pm

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1g wrote:
JFK has NOTAMed Terminal 1 to be closed until tomorrow morning 4AM.
TK1 (which uses T1) is currently on its way to JFK, wonder where TK1 will divert. It would have probably turned back to IST if it wasn't already so close to JFK.

JFK has been a total mess since the snow blizzard two days ago, I've never seen anything like it. I'm lucky I got into JFK trouble free right before the blizzard and extreme cold.

Really? TK1 landed more than hour ago. Where do you see that Terminal 1 is closed?

TK12 left 3 hours late.
Not sure about Terminal 1 closure, but JFK is still having problems with backlog from Thursday blizzard. There are news that pax stranded for 3 days now at the airport, pax sitting inside planes for long durations, pax still waiting for their bags... It is a big mess. And the continued temperatures below zero ( 13 days straight now) are not helping. It must be so hard to work on the tarmac under those conditions, getting to work and such :(
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:39 am

2017 pax numbers for ESB along with historical data is herein below, ESB now passed 15 million pax range;

Ankara Esenboğa International Airport Passenger Traffic Statistics

Year Domestic % change International % change Total % change

2017 13,853,899 Increase 20% 1,991,979 Increase 33% 15,845,878 Increase 21%
2016 11,554,882 Increase 9% 1,488,095 Decrease _4% 13,042,977 Increase 8%
2015 10,562,282 Increase 10% 1,551,157 Increase 7% 12,113,439 Increase 10%
2014 9,591,350 Increase 2% 1,444,256 Decrease 8% 11,035,606 Increase 1%
2013 9,369,832 Increase 22% 1,572,228 Decrease 1% 10,942,060 Increase 18%
2012 7,679,371 Increase 9% 1,593,737 Increase 13% 9,273,108 Increase 9%
2011 7,080,072 Increase 10% 1,405,395 Increase 6% 8,485,467 Increase 9%
2010 6,435,211 Increase 29% 1,328,693 Increase 21% 7,763,914 Increase 28%
2009 4,990,134 Increase 12% 1,094,270 Decrease 12% 6,084,404 Increase 7%
2008 4,444,311 Increase 23% 1,247,822 Decrease 8% 5,692,133 Increase 15%
2007 3,609,122 Increase 10% 1,349,006 Increase 7% 4,958,128 Increase 9%
2006 3,287,585 Increase 25% 1,259,993 Increase 6% 4,547,578 Increase 19%
2005 2,640,604 Increase 23% 1,189,250 Increase 5% 3,829,854 Increase 17%
2004 2,141,047 Increase 21% 1,134,678 Increase 12% 3,275,725 Increase 18%
2003 1,773,531 Decrease 2% 1,010,396 Decrease 1% 2,783,927 Decrease 2%
2002 1,814,563 1,022,065 2,836,628
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:59 am

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IMHO, some of TK's present and future long but thin Americas routes will be flown by the 350's.


According to a report by Kokpit.aero, the A350s will be used to open new long-range routes, primarily to Australia.
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:15 pm

Well, don't take Kokpit Aero's comments into account, very technically.

We all know that the standart 359 or 350 cannot make IST-SYD non-stop, particularly at MTOW. In TK's terminology and understanding, PER is not Australia... :P The 359ULR may/should make it but we don't know for sure if that version is within the contents of the LOI signed. Besides, there's no other customer that has ordered the 359ULR except for SQ but they will not be using this version in a standard C/Y cabin configuration. So Airbus & TK need to work and do some brainstorming to create TK's "more standarised" version of 359ULR for the non-stop SYD/MEL routes! Otherwise, TK will still need to wait for the 777-800!
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:27 pm

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We all know that the standart 359 or 350 cannot make IST-SYD non-stop, particularly at MTOW.


Hold on a minute. The Kokpit.aero report did not claim non-stop flights, all it said was long-range routes to Australia. A direct, one-stop flight fits that definition too.
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:55 pm

Hold on a minute. The Kokpit.aero report did not claim non-stop flights, all it said was long-range routes to Australia. A direct, one-stop flight fits that definition too.


Evidently, TK doesn't seem to be in a top hurry to start even one-stop IST-SYD/MEL flights, even in 2018. Otherwise they could have started it with the 77W's, anyway.

And, mind you: current bi-laterals allow for only 5 (five) frequencies/week; not even daily!...
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:58 pm

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Evidently, TK doesn't seem to be in a top hurry to start even one-stop IST-SYD/MEL flights, even in 2018. Otherwise they could have started it with the 77W's, anyway.


True, unless TK believes 77W is not the right sized aircraft for the job.
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:10 pm

TK could have started one stop with 343s then and 332s now.
I think there is just no stomach for it; one-stop or non-stop, especially after financially difficult past few quarters.
It will not be a money maker. Those frames could be utilized in many other routes.
One day, it will open just for prestige so TK can join the 6 continent club, that is my IMHO.
 
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:21 pm

mafaky wrote:
Hold on a minute. The Kokpit.aero report did not claim non-stop flights, all it said was long-range routes to Australia. A direct, one-stop flight fits that definition too.


Evidently, TK doesn't seem to be in a top hurry to start even one-stop IST-SYD/MEL flights, even in 2018. Otherwise they could have started it with the 77W's, anyway.

And, mind you: current bi-laterals allow for only 5 (five) frequencies/week; not even daily!...


The bilateral was updated Feb 2017 to 7 weekly frequencies only to the 4 main ports - PER,BNE,SYD & MEL

Also for a 1 stop option it has been widely discussed in the Australian Aviation forum that TK could have operated an A330 via SIN, BKK, KUL or CGK

They could fly to PER right now with the 77W if they wanted to however its not on their agenda as you mentioned, they want to fly to SYD & MEL, though they could operate a IST-PER-SYD flight if they wanted to
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:46 pm

though they could operate a IST-PER-SYD flight if they wanted to


would that be counted as 1 or 2 flights for the bilateral limitations?
 
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-TK predicted in 8/17 that they will carry 31M domestic and 38M int. pax for a total of 69M pax in 2017. Also TK said Load Factor will be 77-78% and 1100ton Cargo will be carried.

TK did pretty good with their 2017 year end predictions: Total pax 68.6M (Predicted 69M), Load Factor 79.1% (Predicted 77-78%), Cargo 1122Tons ( Predicted 1100T).
Also I would like to add, Turkish Central Bank predicted on Jan 19th, 2017 that the USD will be 3.86TL, year end. (Actual 3.82TL)
 
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:14 pm

Zaf wrote:
though they could operate a IST-PER-SYD flight if they wanted to


would that be counted as 1 or 2 flights for the bilateral limitations?


It should be 1, effectively it would be a fuel stop, passengers could get off in PER however passengers could not get on to fly to SYD as a domestic flight, to fly to SYD you would need to start your flight in IST
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:25 pm

Last month took part in meeting where General Manager of Turkish Technic spoke with some interesting comments. Here are highlights from my notes.

o 7,000 Turkish Technic employees, nearly half at SAW
o Demand continues to rise - in 2005 TK had 73 aircraft, now 300. Expect 420+ by 2020
o SAW and the HABOM facility heart of TK Technic - hangars, admin offices, workshops, R&D center - 2 WB + 11NB hangar bays
o IST today has 5 WB and 7 NB bays
o ESB 2 bays for NB overnight checks
o 15-20% of airframe work is for 3rd parties, as is 50% of component work. 3rd party work helps with seasonability of TK maintenance needs
o "No money in narrowbody work", so focusing on WB and high yield component work
o Growing military market - recently selected as maintenance center for A400Ms by Airbus. Previously supported planes like NATO AWACS, and current TK Air Force 737, KC135s etc.
o Now have EASA approved 2-year training academy for technicians. Purchased a 737-300 and spare A340 engines used for training. Plan on training 1,200 technicians
o $1.06 bil in revenue for 2017 - becoming one of worlds 10 largest MROs
o Support 290 3rd party customer aircraft with component pooling agreements - airlines from Malta to Indonesia
o TSI Turkish Seat Industries established 2012 produced Epianka line of narrowbody seats, now working on design and fitting of widebody products
o TCI Turkish Cabin Interiors est 2010 building galley and equipment - earning global orders - 2 Indian airlines in 2017 for 235 planes
o Focusing on research and development including IFE systems, WiFi, and other cabin technology
o Turkish Engine Center (JV with Pratt Whitney) est 2009 had best year ever in 2017 with 120+ overhauls
o Gearing up for more 777 work in future including landing gear shop. High demand in Africa/Middle East for type.
o Will make a considerable investment into supporting the new generation of planes like 787+350 regardless of TK usage.
o For now TK Technic at new airport will be solely line maintenance focus - small footprint with hangars to only accommodate 2 WB 1 NB planned.
o Ataturk facilities to stay until 2023-5'ish
o But by 2028 plan big facilities at 3rd airport - 16 WB 24NB bay complex under design
o Looking to expand outside Turkey, could team up with other global MROs, or even make outright purchase

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Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:22 pm

THY has smartly followed others like Lufthansa in establishing various subsidiaries like the MRO to spread the business risk and aid with the generation of significant revenue for the group.
 
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:07 am

Boeing Press release for 3 777F's for Turkish Airlines

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-01-08- ... Freighters
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:26 am

LAXintl wrote:
o For now TK Technic at new airport will be solely line maintenance focus - small footprint with hangars to only accommodate 2 WB 1 NB planned.
o Ataturk facilities to stay until 2023-5'ish
o But by 2028 plan big facilities at 3rd airport - 16 WB 24NB bay complex under design

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I guess that seals the deal that IST will operate as an airport until at least 2023. Wonder if they will convert the airport to other uses in tranches, starting with the two parallel runways that share airspace with the new airport?
 
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:53 am

Although no future and certain dates have been announced officially, Turkish Technic will not be able to remove their MRO facilities from IST before 2023, or so. But I also don't estimate their gigantic MRO facility at the New Airport will be ready by 2o28; should take sooner like 2024-25. IST has two parallel runways 15/35R/L which cannot operate simultaneously, but also has a third one as 05/23. This last one's airspace will not be conflicting with the New Airport's runways. It is expected that this runway at IST will be retained for General Aviation usage. However, the present day Gen Aviation Terminal and facilities are situated at one side of the 17/35 runways, so in course of time these need to be carried elsewhere. Similarly TK and others' MRO facilities as well some other facilities are situated o the opposite side of the 17/35 runways, and these eventually will be abolished. IST's current International Terminal will supposedly be converted into a big Exhibition and Congress Center???
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:13 pm

Is this possible for TK?
TK wants to carry 74M pax this year. 5.4M more pax than last year.
With a current Load Factor of around 79%, planning to open only a few new routes, IST busting at seams; is it possible to carry 7-8% more pax with a net of 7 additional narrow body jets coming to its fleet?
 
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:13 pm

Yes exactly how they draw down ops at Ataturk will be interesting.

Per DHMI GM announcement in 2017, the airport will continue to host MRO, GA and cargo activity, however, she stated exact future scale of the airport was still to be determined.

Obviously, a major metro area like Istanbul should be able to host multiple airports, so a smaller airfield (maybe only keeping 05/23 runways) might be a good solution option along with relocating the existing GA facility to the new remote parking spots south of 05/23 on the former Air Force land.
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:37 pm

So far, the BOTS Consortium for the New Istanbul Airport is in no hurry for establishing a GA Terminal and associated services. So relocated GA facilities and using 05/23 runway may be a mainstay at IST.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:35 am

I can't imagine TK keeping cargo ops at IST, nor parties like DHL which are building a sorting facility at the new airport. So I am not sure how big the demand will be for cargo needs at IST once new airport opens.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:57 am

Te cargo ops at Istanbul New Airport will be rather huge, as the target is to catch HKG's current capacity within a foreseeable future. There will be a "Cargo City" to be built, on the land between Rwys 1 & 2, south of the ATC Tower. However, there's very little construction seen in this part of land for the moment. So I estimate the said "Cargo City" to be operational in not less than 2 years from now on...

Let alone all-cargo planes operation; I cannot solidly see how the New Airport will deal with the belly cargo, once it becomes operational.

At IST, there's the general cargo terminal plus TK's privately operated (and rather recently built) cargo terminal. TK will surely have its own cargo terminal in the New Airport.

Therefore it looks inevitable that TK's all-cargo planes will still use IST as the base even when TK's all passenger flights will be transferred to the New Airport. The question is: for how long?

As for the DHL sorting facility: Yes, there's this rumor going on since a long time, in fact. Personally I don't know where this facility to be exactly located. Within that Cargo City complex, or elsewhere??? Because, "elsewhere" will point to Phase 4 of the project and will take us to 2028 or maybe even further. Once I've heard rumors that one runway will be partly dedicated to these DHL, MRO and Logistics operations (it's been also rumored that Airbus wants to set up a logistics facility here...) but that should be the very last runway to be built (the 5th and the last north/south runway on the far Eastern side of the project site...). IGA knows much much better than us, for sure, but they don't really share out these kinds of information with the public. :?
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:21 am

Watching the video and seeing the massive project complete with all the treasury backed money being spent at the new airport, I would love for them to leave all populist shows and egos aside and do the project correct. Just give a little more time where its not an operation mess and construction zone and Leave GA at IST and move to the new airport in a stable manner. Just my wish...
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:53 am

Many TK flights to Europe and the Middle East are operated by widebodies. The latest one is OTP which will get the A330 two times a day.

Once the new airport opens, could we see these destinations go back to smaller aircraft but operated with more frequencies? I can imagine that a lot of these destinations get the widebody because there is no space for more departures.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:26 pm

Blerg wrote:
Many TK flights to Europe and the Middle East are operated by widebodies. The latest one is OTP which will get the A330 two times a day.

Once the new airport opens, could we see these destinations go back to smaller aircraft but operated with more frequencies? I can imagine that a lot of these destinations get the widebody because there is no space for more departures.

Probably not, because it is not only IST, but many European airports are becoming space limited. I think TK will try to add more freqs. with NBs if possible, but many routes to European capitals will continue to see WBs.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:08 pm

Cargo City project was approved only last July, but its first phase of 2.5mil ton capacity they claim is supposed to be partially ready for the airports opening.
Future phases will increase capacity to 5.5mil tons. In comparison IST facilities today have about 1.2mil tons of capacity which 75% is used by TK.

If TK must maintain split ops at IST still for its cargo, it would be quite a challenge as so much of the cargo transfers to/from pax flight bellies and trucking back and forth from new airport not only would be costly logistical exercise but also would shipping delays due to time constraints.

For DHL they signed an agreement for the development of a 20,000sqm facility to serve as a "regional logistic hub" to open by 2020.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:18 pm

My guess is that TK and others will continue to handle all-cargo ops from IST fora while, but all belly cargo ops will be carried out at the New Airport when it becomes fully operational or all airlines pax flights.

Do you have any firm idea as where that DHL Center will be located? After all, a 20.000 m2 sized facility is not a terribly big one!...
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:00 pm

Considering current size of TK cargo facility is 60.000m2 at IST, probably TK needs now around 125.000m2 facility for a 2.5MT cargo capacity at IGA. I assume that they can build this cargo building in a year time since these logistic centers are simple buildings provided that infrastructure is ready. As I hear TK will start actual operations at new airport by June 2019, I do not foresee any challenge for TK to transfer both operations to new airport simultaneously, assuming that they start building this facility soon.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2018

Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:19 am

TK787 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Many TK flights to Europe and the Middle East are operated by widebodies. The latest one is OTP which will get the A330 two times a day.

Once the new airport opens, could we see these destinations go back to smaller aircraft but operated with more frequencies? I can imagine that a lot of these destinations get the widebody because there is no space for more departures.

Probably not, because it is not only IST, but many European airports are becoming space limited. I think TK will try to add more freqs. with NBs if possible, but many routes to European capitals will continue to see WBs.


Thank you. Even though I could understand keeping widebodies on routes such as IST-LHR/CDG/AMS... what about those like HEL, ARN, ATH, OTP which do not have any issues with space? Could it be that some of them like ARN are upgauged because of cargo? If I remember correctly BA sends its B763 to ARN because of it.

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