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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:21 pm

Runway28L wrote:
I have no idea when this was done but I just saw a recent picture of the interior of Concourse B and it appears that along with the new carpet and design they completely got rid of the drywall that was blocking the end of the concourse off.


I thought I had read somewhere that they were going to start prep work for the master plan terminal reconfiguration...perhaps to free up gates for B6 and NK to move somewhere since the odd gates in D will be eliminated? Pure speculation on my part. I know the article had stated something about moving and/or repairing unused jetways.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:32 pm

DeltaL1011Flyer wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
I have no idea when this was done but I just saw a recent picture of the interior of Concourse B and it appears that along with the new carpet and design they completely got rid of the drywall that was blocking the end of the concourse off.


I thought I had read somewhere that they were going to start prep work for the master plan terminal reconfiguration...perhaps to free up gates for B6 and NK to move somewhere since the odd gates in D will be eliminated? Pure speculation on my part. I know the article had stated something about moving and/or repairing unused jetways.


F9, G4 and Southern will all have to move as well.
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:55 pm

DL adds a third PIT-BOS flight, using a CRJ-900.
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ ... j=79521251
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:09 pm

D8 ending HFD-EDI service in March. Frees up a 737 MAX 8 aircraft for another TATL route?
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2018/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:51 pm

Plucked this one up from the other QR startup thread. "Mysterious: Qatar Airways Offered 25% Stake In Unnamed US Airline Startup"
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... nvestment/

We know there's a relationship going with QR and the ACAA, and OneJet is a startup that ACAA has it's hands involved in. Any chance in hell?
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:37 am

AaronPGH wrote:
Plucked this one up from the other QR startup thread. "Mysterious: Qatar Airways Offered 25% Stake In Unnamed US Airline Startup"
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... nvestment/

We know there's a relationship going with QR and the ACAA, and OneJet is a startup that ACAA has it's hands involved in. Any chance in hell?


Interesting development; off the top of my head I can't think of a larger private startup than OneJet (once they get their E135 operation up to speed).
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:18 am

AaronPGH wrote:
Plucked this one up from the other QR startup thread. "Mysterious: Qatar Airways Offered 25% Stake In Unnamed US Airline Startup"
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... nvestment/

We know there's a relationship going with QR and the ACAA, and OneJet is a startup that ACAA has it's hands involved in. Any chance in hell?


The Pittsburgh Pirates have a better chance of winning the 2018 World Series than QR has of buying a stake of J1 (OneJet). That might be the biggest stretch I've ever read, to be honest.
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:14 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:
Plucked this one up from the other QR startup thread. "Mysterious: Qatar Airways Offered 25% Stake In Unnamed US Airline Startup"
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... nvestment/

We know there's a relationship going with QR and the ACAA, and OneJet is a startup that ACAA has it's hands involved in. Any chance in hell?


The Pittsburgh Pirates have a better chance of winning the 2018 World Series than QR has of buying a stake of J1 (OneJet). That might be the biggest stretch I've ever read, to be honest.


Yeah I knew it was crazy but threw it out anyway ;)
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:38 pm

Hi Everyone. Been reading for years. But first time posting.

Looks like the Pittsburgh region made it to the top 20 cities Amazon is considering.

http://wtae.com/article/amazon-narrows- ... 23?src=app

While this is an Airlines Forum. It it makes me think that our city has a slim to none chance of landing the bid. My thoughts are simple. Our public transportation is atrocious. For the first time in many years I do believe that the air service in the city sufficient, but creating nearly 50,000 jobs as promised public transportation has to be in place.

I know the port authority hired a new CEO. Maybe she could work with the airport CEO and learn how to run the operation and possibly integrate the two better.


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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:03 pm

flyPIT wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:
Plucked this one up from the other QR startup thread. "Mysterious: Qatar Airways Offered 25% Stake In Unnamed US Airline Startup"
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... nvestment/

We know there's a relationship going with QR and the ACAA, and OneJet is a startup that ACAA has it's hands involved in. Any chance in hell?


Interesting development; off the top of my head I can't think of a larger private startup than OneJet (once they get their E135 operation up to speed).


Some of the wording in this article like "where it would be based" made me think it is a yet to start up airline. But that could just be random wording.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:08 pm

Pittsburgh is in the final 20 for Amazon's HQ2.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/tech ... rters.html

Surprised to see Columbus in there too.
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:55 pm

Skym88 wrote:
Hi Everyone. Been reading for years. But first time posting.

Looks like the Pittsburgh region made it to the top 20 cities Amazon is considering.

http://wtae.com/article/amazon-narrows- ... 23?src=app

While this is an Airlines Forum. It it makes me think that our city has a slim to none chance of landing the bid. My thoughts are simple. Our public transportation is atrocious. For the first time in many years I do believe that the air service in the city sufficient, but creating nearly 50,000 jobs as promised public transportation has to be in place.

I know the port authority hired a new CEO. Maybe she could work with the airport CEO and learn how to run the operation and possibly integrate the two better.

Welcome! Regarding public transit I thnk Pittsburgh falls in the middle of the pack for a city our size. Looking at the list of finalists, ours is certainly better than Columbus, Indy, Raleigh, Austin, and Nashville.



PITflier wrote:
Pittsburgh is in the final 20 for Amazon's HQ2.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/tech ... rters.html

Surprised to see Columbus in there too.

I'm not one bit surprised to see CMH (or IND) on the list. Both are up and coming metros. The list is pretty much what I expected with the exception of Los Angeles (because it's on the west coast) and Miami. I'm surprised Charlotte didn't make the cut.



Yesterday Apple also stated they will be looking to add another campus:
:https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/apple-will-open-a-second-campus-in-the-u-s.html
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:25 pm

Skym88 wrote:
Hi Everyone. Been reading for years. But first time posting.

Looks like the Pittsburgh region made it to the top 20 cities Amazon is considering.

http://wtae.com/article/amazon-narrows- ... 23?src=app

While this is an Airlines Forum. It it makes me think that our city has a slim to none chance of landing the bid. My thoughts are simple. Our public transportation is atrocious. For the first time in many years I do believe that the air service in the city sufficient, but creating nearly 50,000 jobs as promised public transportation has to be in place.

I know the port authority hired a new CEO. Maybe she could work with the airport CEO and learn how to run the operation and possibly integrate the two better.


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Interesting collection of cities in the Top 20. I believe the real contenders are in there but are far fewer than 20. Some of those places are puzzling given what Amazon says they are looking for. I believe some on the list are just decoys.
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:47 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
Skym88 wrote:
Hi Everyone. Been reading for years. But first time posting.

Looks like the Pittsburgh region made it to the top 20 cities Amazon is considering.

http://wtae.com/article/amazon-narrows- ... 23?src=app

While this is an Airlines Forum. It it makes me think that our city has a slim to none chance of landing the bid. My thoughts are simple. Our public transportation is atrocious. For the first time in many years I do believe that the air service in the city sufficient, but creating nearly 50,000 jobs as promised public transportation has to be in place.

I know the port authority hired a new CEO. Maybe she could work with the airport CEO and learn how to run the operation and possibly integrate the two better.


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Interesting collection of cities in the Top 20. I believe the real contenders are in there but are far fewer than 20. Some of those places are puzzling given what Amazon says they are looking for. I believe some on the list are just decoys.


Decoys? Decoys for what? Who are they trying to fool? There are definitely frontrunners on that list, but every city is on there because Amazon is interested in what their proposal brought to the table.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:16 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
Skym88 wrote:
Hi Everyone. Been reading for years. But first time posting.

Looks like the Pittsburgh region made it to the top 20 cities Amazon is considering.

http://wtae.com/article/amazon-narrows- ... 23?src=app

While this is an Airlines Forum. It it makes me think that our city has a slim to none chance of landing the bid. My thoughts are simple. Our public transportation is atrocious. For the first time in many years I do believe that the air service in the city sufficient, but creating nearly 50,000 jobs as promised public transportation has to be in place.

I know the port authority hired a new CEO. Maybe she could work with the airport CEO and learn how to run the operation and possibly integrate the two better.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Interesting collection of cities in the Top 20. I believe the real contenders are in there but are far fewer than 20. Some of those places are puzzling given what Amazon says they are looking for. I believe some on the list are just decoys.


Decoys? Decoys for what? Who are they trying to fool? There are definitely frontrunners on that list, but every city is on there because Amazon is interested in what their proposal brought to the table.


The only way any would be a "decoy" is if it is offering crazy incentives that Amazon thinks it can leverage against the spots it really wants to be. If for example Austin is going to give 12 Billion in incentives and everyone it wants is at 7 Billion then I could see them leaving in one or two of those to use as leverage.
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:57 am

Amazon claims they want to be in the east yet Los Angeles is on the list. Yes, decoys. Making a bit of a game of this. Trying not to tip which way they may be leaning. This is a huge PR exercise as well. Keeps this in the news for a while. My opinion is within the list there are only five viable contenders, at best. No one knows exactly which criteria will tip Amazon to choose.
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:07 am

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Amazon claims they want to be in the east yet Los Angeles is on the list. Yes, decoys. Making a bit of a game of this. Trying not to tip which way they may be leaning. This is a huge PR exercise as well. Keeps this in the news for a while. My opinion is within the list there are only five viable contenders, at best. No one knows exactly which criteria will tip Amazon to choose.
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Yep, they know who they want already.
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:50 am

Here's a good article from the WSJ detailing the largest obstacle 10 finalist cities each have to winning HQ2. For many of the cities it is chronic traffic congestion, expensive housing, or poor mass transit. Expensive problems to have. As discussed previously, for Pittsburgh it is lack of air service. But compared to the other cities problems this would be the most desirable problem to have as it is the easiest to fix and as the article says it is on an upswing at PIT.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-woo-amazon-cities-tackle-everything-from-traffic-to-housing-1516185001
(Full story is available via the link on the PIT FB page)

Of the 20 finalist cities, PIT has the second lowest level of air service behind CMH. PIT is slightly busier than IND but considering IND has twice the service to SEA and SFO as PIT I would give IND airport the edge as far as Amazon is concerned. But all in all I don't think it hinders Pittsburgh's bid considering there is ample room for growth, good service to BOS, NYC, WAS, and increasing service to the west coast.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:38 am

flyPIT wrote:
Of the 20 finalist cities, PIT has the second lowest level of air service behind CMH. PIT is slightly busier than IND but considering IND has twice the service to SEA and SFO as PIT I would give IND airport the edge as far as Amazon is concerned. But all in all I don't think it hinders Pittsburgh's bid considering there is ample room for growth, good service to BOS, NYC, WAS, and increasing service to the west coast.


Exactly! Air service is literally a five minute fix if we happened to land the Amazon HQ. Should we get this, i would expect 1 if not 2 more carriers to start service to SEA and/or SFO. Air service can be started easily, whereas other things like affordable housing, traffic, etc, are all things that can take years or decades to fix, along with tens of millions of dollars or more.

Air service is the absolute least of our worries in this contest, and i am pretty sure Amazon is aware of that. They just want it to be known that it is a priority.
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:19 pm

Nov numbers are in. Nov up 10.7%, YTD up 7.7%, int'l YTD up 22.6%.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/getattachment/Newsroom/Airport-Statistics/November-2017-Short-E-Mail-Report.pdf.aspx?lang=en-US

Preliminary data is out for Dec. Dec up 13% and 2017 total up 8.2% just missing the 9 million mark.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/news-releases/passenger-traffic-at-pittsburgh-international-(1)
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:27 pm

I'm shocked that they didn't mention that next year the CDG flight is upgauged to a 767-300 - unless I just didn't see it mentioned. Also, isn't it starting a month sooner and ending a month later than 2017 or am I misunderstanding that? In any event, I'm looking forward to seeing what else transpires for PIT this year. It will be a heck of a year with or without the HQ2 announcement.
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:57 pm

What's really encouraging is that Dec growth was 13% but seats only went up 9.8%.
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2018/01/19/Pittsburgh-International-Airport-passenger-growth-2017/stories/201801190174

Also announced is a program director for the terminal rebuild. His last project was the mid-field terminal at Abu Dhabi, a layout the PIT terminal will loosely copy.
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:46 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Nov numbers are in. Nov up 10.7%, YTD up 7.7%, int'l YTD up 22.6%.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/getattachment/Newsroom/Airport-Statistics/November-2017-Short-E-Mail-Report.pdf.aspx?lang=en-US

Preliminary data is out for Dec. Dec up 13% and 2017 total up 8.2% just missing the 9 million mark.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/news-releases/passenger-traffic-at-pittsburgh-international-(1)


Very ice increases in traffic, more destinations, and more airlines. Who was that often-quoted airline consultant (in Colorado?) who said a couple of years ago that PIT has all of the service it will ever get????
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:58 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
Very ice increases in traffic, more destinations, and more airlines. Who was that often-quoted airline consultant (in Colorado?) who said a couple of years ago that PIT has all of the service it will ever get????


That would be Michael Boyd:

“Somebody really needs to tell the county executive that you have virtually all the air service you're going to get.”

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/5930809-74/airport-authority-harshman

I think that was the year we hit a low of 7.8 million passengers.
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:24 pm

D8 sets TATL speed record with a 787.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... light.html
 
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:50 pm

Appears that NK is reducing FLL-LBE to less than daily. Wonder if PIT traffic is affecting LBE on this route. But then again FLL-PIT is already less than daily... probably right-sizing for Pittsburgh-area travel demand.

Seems that NK is doing well with Pittsburgh to Florida flights and LAS. I wonder what the status of PIT-DFW is. AA seems to be fare-matching them aggressively out of DFW which led to NK making a whole bunch of cuts today. And for PIT-DFW alone AA is now almost all-738 (some of them having AVOD) on most days except for this weekend.
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:13 pm

Looks like Delta today sent the A359 to PIT again for crew training.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N503DN
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:45 pm

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Looks like Delta today sent the A359 to PIT again for crew training.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N503DN

Interesting. Started the morning from DTW - CMH, then CMH - PIT. No outbound flight scheduled, so far. That tail started off Monday PEK - DTW.
 
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:25 pm

And also, there were two WW A321s on the ground yesterday. TF-MOM operated the inbound but TF-PRO did the outbound.

Was kinda surprised to see WW parked at the gate at around 1515 while driving by.

ConcourseZ, I find it somewhat odd that DL is still doing proving runs despite the A359s being in service for the past 2-3 months.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:14 pm

Flaps wrote:
DeltaL1011Flyer wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
I have no idea when this was done but I just saw a recent picture of the interior of Concourse B and it appears that along with the new carpet and design they completely got rid of the drywall that was blocking the end of the concourse off.


I thought I had read somewhere that they were going to start prep work for the master plan terminal reconfiguration...perhaps to free up gates for B6 and NK to move somewhere since the odd gates in D will be eliminated? Pure speculation on my part. I know the article had stated something about moving and/or repairing unused jetways.


F9, G4 and Southern will all have to move as well.

Just looked today. The wall must be back up in the same place it was before.


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Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:33 pm

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Just looked today. The wall must be back up in the same place it was before.


I guess it was down for them to redo the floor.
 
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:28 pm

I was curious about the A350, I saw it banking left over the city on approach this morning. Did anyone get any pictures?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:48 am

Nice P-G article with Cassotis about the past three years improvements at PIT, and some details on future hopes/needs. Also, sounds like Qatar isn't going well so far.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/de ... 1801250065
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:15 am

AaronPGH wrote:
Nice P-G article with Cassotis about the past three years improvements at PIT, and some details on future hopes/needs. Also, sounds like Qatar isn't going well so far.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/de ... 1801250065

Looks like BA is in the picture, again.
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:38 am

AaronPGH wrote:
Nice P-G article with Cassotis about the past three years improvements at PIT, and some details on future hopes/needs. Also, sounds like Qatar isn't going well so far.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/de ... 1801250065

Pretty amazing that they're apparently 2 years ahead on their air service goals.

Re QR they must be happy that they're getting those insane incentives for their 77F to make an extra stop.
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:24 am

Regarding the P-G article, it's good to see Dublin and year round Frankfurt remain a high priority for the ACAA (and needless to say London). That QR Cargo is falling short does not surprise me one bit but at least Ms. Cassotis vowed to "“work like hell to make Qatar work. We’re not where we need to be yet. Qatar is happy with our progress, I can tell you that."

The stated goal is 60 tons of cargo at PIT per flight but I imagine that is both inbound and outbound cargo, so less than that in a more literal "per flight" sense. Considering the B777F has a capacity of a bit over 100 tons that makes sense considering space on the flight is shared with LUX and ATL. To be falling "well short" of that might still be enough to fill the cargo hold of an A350 or B787 which have about a 15 ton cargo capacity on a 14 hour flight. I still think that's the aspired end game in the years ahead for this QR Cargo exercise.

Also interesting no mention at all about those China charter flights.



I was curious if WW and FI starting CLE would have an affect on WW's PIT flights. Checking the blocked off seats on PIT-KEF on every flight the week before May 4 (the day CLE-KEF starts on WW) shows about 40 seats selected per flight on average. Checking every flight the week after May 4 it remains steady at about 40. So far so good. Then PIT-KEF goes to 5x weekly and loads fall off quite a bit. About 20 seats on average for the rest of May. CLE OTOH has 2-3 times the seats blocked off as PIT for May and many days with significantly higher fares. I was a bit surprised by this considering WW leaves CLE at 12:30 am and has fewer connections at KEF. I think it might be the novelty of finally having a new nonstop flight to Europe from CLE causing Clevelanders to make their bookings well in advance? WW flights from PIT seemed to get off to a strong start last year as well.

Having said that, a comparison with BWI showed their seats more aligned with PIT, and BWI has been very successful for WW so maybe I'm reading too much in to it.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:37 am

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Regarding the P-G article, it's good to see Dublin and year round Frankfurt remain a high priority for the ACAA (and needless to say London). That QR Cargo is falling short does not surprise me one bit but at least Ms. Cassotis vowed to "“work like hell to make Qatar work. We’re not where we need to be yet. Qatar is happy with our progress, I can tell you that."


What I took out of the article was the desire to add flights to KSLC (hint, hint, DL) and KSAN (hello, WN). I'm surprised that neither WN or AS have looked into service between KPIT and KSFO/KOAK to give UA a run for their $$$ on their existing 'monopoly' to the San Francisco Bay Area, ($500/one-way for 'basic economy' is a little much, even for a US3 legacy, IMHO). I figured KSAN would be a priority for Cassotis, but this is the first I've heard of KSLC, to be honest.
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:50 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
I'm surprised that neither WN or AS have looked into service between KPIT and KSFO/KOAK to give UA a run for their $$$ on their existing 'monopoly' to the San Francisco Bay Area, ($500/one-way for 'basic economy' is a little much, even for a US3 legacy, IMHO). I figured KSAN would be a priority for Cassotis, but this is the first I've heard of KSLC, to be honest.

On the contrary, I'm sure both AS and WN have looked at and continue to look at adding PIT-SFO/OAK respectively. Down the road both may end up in the market just like at IND.

I'm a bit surprised to see SLC mentioned. Its a small local market and the hub there would cannibalize the other long sought after west coast markets such as SAN and improved access to LAX and the Bay Area. I suppose after (and only after) those other holes are filled SLC makes sense on the wish list.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:56 am

ConcourseZ wrote:
Interesting. Started the morning from DTW - CMH, then CMH - PIT. No outbound flight scheduled, so far. That tail started off Monday PEK - DTW.


Odd how DL sent the A359 to KCMH, especially when I don't think there's any DL destination from Columbus which would warrant an A359 (unless there's something happening at KCMH that we don't know about). Also, keep in mind that the A359 is supposed to replace the B763 fleet in the coming years and that DL is upgauging the KPIT-LFPG flight from a B752 to a B763 this year, it wouldn't shock me if that was in preparation for the service to LFPG/CGD service in a matter of years.
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:00 am

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ctrabs0114 wrote:
I'm surprised that neither WN or AS have looked into service between KPIT and KSFO/KOAK to give UA a run for their $$$ on their existing 'monopoly' to the San Francisco Bay Area, ($500/one-way for 'basic economy' is a little much, even for a US3 legacy, IMHO). I figured KSAN would be a priority for Cassotis, but this is the first I've heard of KSLC, to be honest.

On the contrary, I'm sure both AS and WN have looked at and continue to look at adding PIT-SFO/OAK respectively. Down the road both may end up in the market just like at IND.

I'm a bit surprised to see SLC mentioned. Its a small local market and the hub there would cannibalize the other long sought after west coast markets such as SAN and improved access to LAX and the Bay Area. I suppose after (and only after) those other holes are filled SLC makes sense on the wish list.


ACAA must really be pushing DL hard to add this service (relatively speaking), since they would seem to be the only logical carrier to serve KSLC with their hub. Though, DL also doesn't connect KPIT with their hubs at KCVG, KLAX or KSEA, either.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:33 am

You're reading waaaaaay too much in to DL's A359's doing touch and go's at places such as CMH and PIT. It is pilot training, nothing more. The airplane is in service so proving runs are done. It has nothing to do with future service or markets. They just need a big empty airport so they can do their pilot training with minimal delays.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:35 pm

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I was curious if WW and FI starting CLE would have an affect on WW's PIT flights. Checking the blocked off seats on PIT-KEF on every flight the week before May 4 (the day CLE-KEF starts on WW) shows about 40 seats selected per flight on average. Checking every flight the week after May 4 it remains steady at about 40. So far so good. Then PIT-KEF goes to 5x weekly and loads fall off quite a bit. About 20 seats on average for the rest of May. CLE OTOH has 2-3 times the seats blocked off as PIT for May and many days with significantly higher fares. I was a bit surprised by this considering WW leaves CLE at 12:30 am and has fewer connections at KEF. I think it might be the novelty of finally having a new nonstop flight to Europe from CLE causing Clevelanders to make their bookings well in advance? WW flights from PIT seemed to get off to a strong start last year as well.

Having said that, a comparison with BWI showed their seats more aligned with PIT, and BWI has been very successful for WW so maybe I'm reading too much in to it.


I wonder if the booking window for WW is any shorter than others due to the prices and market they serve? Maybe people in PGH just aren't looking that far out?
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:10 pm

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You're reading waaaaaay too much in to DL's A359's doing touch and go's at places such as CMH and PIT. It is pilot training, nothing more. The airplane is in service so proving runs are done. It has nothing to do with future service or markets. They just need a big empty airport so they can do their pilot training with minimal delays.

The reason why we see aircraft from Joint Base Andrews and others from time to time.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:21 pm

Behind the paywall, but here are details from an interview with Ms. Cassotis:

-Working on a second year round flight to Europe.
-"We need Dublin or London"
-"We need 2-3 daily flights to the Bay Area"
-WOW Air flights have not been full (during the winter time). Acknowledged the first winter would be tough but expects next year to be better. Personally I'm not so sure with WW and FI starting service up the road as discussed.
-Sees additional opportunities in Canada and the Caribbean.
-Sees opportunity for a flight to a Central America hub
-"PIT needs service to SLC and SAN"
-Increasing cargo operations is on the agenda. "We'd love to see Qatar expand and we'd love to see more all-cargo carriers here."
-Charter flights between China and PIT. "Its still happening"
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ ... ts-to.html

If they are serious about increasing all-cargo carriers then it needs to be addressed in the master plan update.
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:30 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Behind the paywall, but here are details from an interview with Ms. Cassotis:

-Working on a second year round flight to Europe.
-"We need Dublin or London"
-"We need 2-3 daily flights to the Bay Area"
-WOW Air flights have not been full (during the winter time). Acknowledged the first winter would be tough but expects next year to be better. Personally I'm not so sure with WW and FI starting service up the road as discussed.
-Sees additional opportunities in Canada and the Caribbean.
-Sees opportunity for a flight to a Central America hub
-"PIT needs service to SLC and SAN"
-Increasing cargo operations is on the agenda. "We'd love to see Qatar expand and we'd love to see more all-cargo carriers here."
-Charter flights between China and PIT. "Its still happening"
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ ... ts-to.html

If they are serious about increasing all-cargo carriers then it needs to be addressed in the master plan update.

The article stated Qatar flying once-a-week cargo into PIT with an A380. An error or a change in frequency and aircraft?
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:32 pm

Error. Everything about that sentence.
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:15 pm

One issue with the QR cargo situation is that the 77F isn't always big enough for both markets as they are currently structured. ATL generates a lot of freight both inbound and outbound. There is a lot of competition between ATL and PIT for space on the outbound flights and freight has been left at both points several times due to demand exceeding capacity. If the real goal is to prove that PIT can generate enough belly freight to guarrantee profitablity for a 2x or 3x per week passenger flight (say 788 maybe 789 size) the outbound freight market seems to be there. The inbound side is where the shortfall currently lies. That is at least partly due to high inbound volume into ATL. PIT inbound shipments that were originally schedlued to fly in to PIT have been diverted to other markets (JFK/ORD) and then trucked to PIT because of volume into ATL. It's much easier and faster to truck these to PIT from these points than ATL.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:44 pm

flyPIT wrote:
-WOW Air flights have not been full (during the winter time). Acknowledged the first winter would be tough but expects next year to be better.

Explains why the A320neo has been subbing in again occasionally as of late.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:00 pm

Not sure if this is known or not but does anyone know what percentage of passengers from PIT on WOW were only going to Iceland and how many went on to Europe last year? I am looking for PIT numbers specifically not all flights.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:39 pm

Amazon claims it will visit all 20 finalist cities for site visits. Private jet from a Seattle airport to PIT at some point?
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