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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:54 pm

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Aah, but that would have required the NGS system mod to be installed on virtually all of the 757-222 fleet. And that's a decision that, at least until recently, had been made in the "nope" category for even the PS birds that were kept.
The birds were old, and pretty beat up, inside and out. I flew in several post-merger, and was... pretty surprised by the conditions of the cabin. And I say that as an airline A&P, with thick skin for cabin squawks!
And UA brass at the time said that each 752 retirement / conversion to 739ER was saving them $2 million a year, right off the bat.
It was a sensible decision, albeit an imperfect one, and one with some negative consequences.


NGS was a huge deal... about $500k per frame on the 757, IIRC. That, with a need to reconfigure cabins to achieve higher seating density, add winglets, and still be at a CASM disadvantage to 737s on similar stage lengths, and United's justification for unloading the fleet when it did was not completely unreasonable.

Just like anything else, the decision was proven to have both good and bad effects.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:59 pm

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splitterz wrote:
I read on Flyertalk that the 78J has a smaller J cabin than the 789 with 42 seats. Any confirmation on that from anyone? I imagine PE will be taking over some of that area.

That's Polaris. Once the 789s get polaris, J count will be adjusted accordingly.

I suppose that's possible, but the 763's didn't change seat count.
 
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:34 pm

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I read on Flyertalk that the 78J has a smaller J cabin than the 789 with 42 seats. Any confirmation on that from anyone? I imagine PE will be taking over some of that area.

Maybe that's the tradeoff to not lose lots of total seats with expanded PE.

Could it be that UA figures a lot of BF seats are upgrades from E+ or mileage conversions that can be accommodated in PE?

Maybe a row or two of Polaris will be reduced or removed (reused on other aircraft) and replaced with PE and then a some rows of E+ would be converted to PE and the rest converted to Y.

This could keep the total seat counts about equal than prior to PE and save some money on expensive Polaris seating.

Note that all W/B configurations except the 764 have BF seating aft of the #2 door (763 doesn't have a #2 forward door), meaning the last row of Polaris is flexible and can be easily reduced.

For example, on the 77W, 2 rows of Polaris (8 seats) plus the 4 rows of E+ (40 seats) before lavs/exits could equal 6 rows of 7 across (42 seats) at 40 inch pitch. That would lose a total of 6 seats 8+40=48, 48-42=6. The E+ seats behind the exit could be Y or more PE seats (with more total seat loses at a rate of about 2 E+ seats for 1 PE seat.).
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:34 pm

I can't help but to think about adding up how many Polaris units will be manufactured to compete the ENTIRE fleet (that will get them), and the cost thereof. That is an enormous amount of wide body aircraft when one adds the new ac to the current fleet.
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:13 pm

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jetblastdubai wrote:
United1 wrote:
UA released its fleet plan for this year:

Deliveries:
4 77W
3 78J
4 789
3 763ER (ex HA)
10 737MAX-9

No mainline retirements...



14 widebody additions is huge. Aren't there some more ex-CZ A319/A320s in the pipeline?


That's what I thought as well but it looks like the five already delivered ones undergoing induction are going to be it for this year.


I read through the conference call transcript today and there are a few references to "stay tuned" when it comes to the fleet. Kirby implied there could be some additional used aircraft added as well as either a small narrow body order or talking to the pilots about relaxing scope language in exchange for more mainline flying. They took delivery of the last E175 allowed under their current scope agreements so will be interesting to see how they plan on increasing the number of larger RJs going forward.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:17 pm

For sure
77W 18 X 60 seats = 1080 (could PE reduce Polaris?)
772 55 X 50 seats = 2750 (if all get Polaris and 50 seats count isn't reduced a bit)
787-10 15 X 42 = 630 (just guessing on 15 units and tjhe 42 seats shown on a thread I've seen)
763ER 17 X30 - = 510 (3 class units plus 3 HA units, could PE mean a reduction in Polairs?)
That's 4,970, of which 960 are in service today.

Potential (using current BF seat counts):
788 12 X 36 = 432
789 25 X 48 = 1200
763 21 X 30 = 530
764 16 X 39 = 624
That totals 2,786 for a potential fleet total of 7,756
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:16 am

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N76528 sked to enter LCQ 2780/24Jan for slimlines
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:14 am

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They took delivery of the last E175 allowed under their current scope agreements so will be interesting to see how they plan on increasing the number of larger RJs going forward.


Especially since moving around former XJet 145s will only work for so long.
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:29 am

7,756 units! And more when the A350’s start coming. That is an astonishing amount of money. Airlines are a very expensive business to run and be competitive. What a contract the manufacturer (Zodiac?) won! Too bad they were off to such a slow start.
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:48 pm

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7,756 units! And more when the A350’s start coming. That is an astonishing amount of money. Airlines are a very expensive business to run and be competitive. What a contract the manufacturer (Zodiac?) won! Too bad they were off to such a slow start.


Yesterday UA did a live earnings event for employees for those unable to be in the actual ballroom it was broadcast live on Flying Together. One employee did ask about Polaris and the new PE seats and how long is this process going to take and what are the issue facing UA with it roll out. According to the executive in charge of this project he claims money is not the issue the money for the entire project has already been allocated, the issue is manufacturing the seats and making sure they are high quality. UA has set a timetable to have the entire widebody fleet done in 3 years so some time in 2021. I'm not sure I believe UA will hit that target but that is the goal.
What also was interesting was there was no confirmation to the rumor that has been floating around Willis Tower that PE will make its debut on the 78J. I guess after the Polaris delays UA is not going publicly make any firm announcements until they are completely certain the PE seats are ready to go.
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:04 pm

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2146 777-322ER 046 64990 N2846U 1550 2018
2147 777-322ER 047 64991 N2747U 1554 2018
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:29 pm

CALTECH, looking at the online 777 Production spreadsheet, it looks like 4 to 6 777 units per month are completed. The 2145/2146 are in Pre assembly and only 11 and 13 units behind the last Delivered unit. They appear to be headed for a possible Apr/May delivery.

Looking like a Mar/Apr rollout then about 5 weeks to potential delivery. 2147 should be about a month behind.
I've seen 3rd quarter delivery posted - they appear to be moving quicker, but will UA have Polaris issues or let them sit for financing?
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:06 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
CALTECH, looking at the online 777 Production spreadsheet, it looks like 4 to 6 777 units per month are completed. The 2145/2146 are in Pre assembly and only 11 and 13 units behind the last Delivered unit. They appear to be headed for a possible Apr/May delivery.

Looking like a Mar/Apr rollout then about 5 weeks to potential delivery. 2147 should be about a month behind.
I've seen 3rd quarter delivery posted - they appear to be moving quicker, but will UA have Polaris issues or let them sit for financing?


This could explain why the currently loaded summer schedule requires 15 77W frames to operate... I was thinking they'd have to downgauge EWR-FRA or SFO-TPE to allow SFO-TLV to go 77W, but if deliveries are arriving in the Spring that could be another explanation.
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:13 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
CALTECH, looking at the online 777 Production spreadsheet, it looks like 4 to 6 777 units per month are completed. The 2145/2146 are in Pre assembly and only 11 and 13 units behind the last Delivered unit. They appear to be headed for a possible Apr/May delivery.

Looking like a Mar/Apr rollout then about 5 weeks to potential delivery. 2147 should be about a month behind.
I've seen 3rd quarter delivery posted - they appear to be moving quicker, but will UA have Polaris issues or let them sit for financing?


I’ve heard Q2 delivery for 3 frames, and then Q4 for the last one. But again that’s just what I’ve heard.
 
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Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:23 am

Is Tahiti starting with one of the last 789’s to come? I can’t seem to book it?
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Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:27 am

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7,756 units! And more when the A350’s start coming. That is an astonishing amount of money. Airlines are a very expensive business to run and be competitive. What a contract the manufacturer (Zodiac?) won! Too bad they were off to such a slow start.


Yesterday UA did a live earnings event for employees for those unable to be in the actual ballroom it was broadcast live on Flying Together. One employee did ask about Polaris and the new PE seats and how long is this process going to take and what are the issue facing UA with it roll out. According to the executive in charge of this project he claims money is not the issue the money for the entire project has already been allocated, the issue is manufacturing the seats and making sure they are high quality. UA has set a timetable to have the entire widebody fleet done in 3 years so some time in 2021. I'm not sure I believe UA will hit that target but that is the goal.
What also was interesting was there was no confirmation to the rumor that has been floating around Willis Tower that PE will make its debut on the 78J. I guess after the Polaris delays UA is not going publicly make any firm announcements until they are completely certain the PE seats are ready to go.


So interesting to read, thanks. I assume “entire wide bodies” means changing all the 788s and 789’s by 2021?
That means those newer old BF seats with meet an early demise? Or I wonder if they could be used elsewhere, some 737-10’s? Or another airline?
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Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:51 am

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Is Tahiti starting with one of the last 789’s to come? I can’t seem to book it?

It operates with a 787-8.
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Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:09 pm

UAinAUS wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
CALTECH, looking at the online 777 Production spreadsheet, it looks like 4 to 6 777 units per month are completed. The 2145/2146 are in Pre assembly and only 11 and 13 units behind the last Delivered unit. They appear to be headed for a possible Apr/May delivery.

Looking like a Mar/Apr rollout then about 5 weeks to potential delivery. 2147 should be about a month behind.
I've seen 3rd quarter delivery posted - they appear to be moving quicker, but will UA have Polaris issues or let them sit for financing?


I’ve heard Q2 delivery for 3 frames, and then Q4 for the last one. But again that’s just what I’ve heard.


I’ve been told the 777-300ers will 2 in March, 1 in April, and 1 in November.

The first 787-10 arrives in November but will not enter service till early 2019
 
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Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:59 pm

http://newsinflight.com/2018/01/27/unit ... -crj-200s/

"United Airlines announced on investor update, to add forty Bombardier CRJ200 to boost its United Express feeder service. The aircraft will be operated under a Capacity Purchase Agreement (CPA) signed last year by Air Wisconsin, the carrier announced on January 23, 2018.

The Chicago based carrier said to increase the feeder aircraft within the scope of CPA signed last year. The addition of forty aircraft will bring the total number of CRJ-200s operated by capacity providers to 125 aircraft. Currently Air Wisconsin and Skywest Airlines operate as capacity providers under the United Express brand. "

More CRJ's coming! Lovely...

I do hope this means true growth...while it's replacing some of the retirements...I sure hope this means expanding into returning or new cities via the big 3 Hubs UA is focusing on...DEN, IAH and ORD.

I wish that they were E175's though!

Any announcement of adding more used Airbus or an order of narrow body? I cannot find a transcript or a report of the fleet update for 2018 from the Investor Report off Flying Together or anywhere.

CRJ's..blech haha

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Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:03 pm

The CRJ-200s are the worst. Given the age of these aircraft I can’t imagine they’re a solution for more than a couple years.
 
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Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:04 pm

atrude777 wrote:
http://newsinflight.com/2018/01/27/united-airlines-announced-to-add-forty-bombardier-crj-200s/

"United Airlines announced on investor update, to add forty Bombardier CRJ200 to boost its United Express feeder service. The aircraft will be operated under a Capacity Purchase Agreement (CPA) signed last year by Air Wisconsin, the carrier announced on January 23, 2018.

The Chicago based carrier said to increase the feeder aircraft within the scope of CPA signed last year. The addition of forty aircraft will bring the total number of CRJ-200s operated by capacity providers to 125 aircraft. Currently Air Wisconsin and Skywest Airlines operate as capacity providers under the United Express brand. "

More CRJ's coming! Lovely...

I do hope this means true growth...while it's replacing some of the retirements...I sure hope this means expanding into returning or new cities via the big 3 Hubs UA is focusing on...DEN, IAH and ORD.

I wish that they were E175's though!

Any announcement of adding more used Airbus or an order of narrow body? I cannot find a transcript or a report of the fleet update for 2018 from the Investor Report off Flying Together or anywhere.

CRJ's..blech haha

Alex


I was on an AW CR2 operating as UAX a few months ago. The interior was brand new which made the experience a little better. If they had to bring back 50 seaters I personally would have preferred ER4s.

Does anyone know which has better operating economics? The CR2 or ER4?

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Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:44 pm

atrude777 wrote:
http://newsinflight.com/2018/01/27/united-airlines-announced-to-add-forty-bombardier-crj-200s/

"United Airlines announced on investor update, to add forty Bombardier CRJ200 to boost its United Express feeder service. The aircraft will be operated under a Capacity Purchase Agreement (CPA) signed last year by Air Wisconsin, the carrier announced on January 23, 2018.

The Chicago based carrier said to increase the feeder aircraft within the scope of CPA signed last year. The addition of forty aircraft will bring the total number of CRJ-200s operated by capacity providers to 125 aircraft. Currently Air Wisconsin and Skywest Airlines operate as capacity providers under the United Express brand. "

More CRJ's coming! Lovely...

I do hope this means true growth...while it's replacing some of the retirements...I sure hope this means expanding into returning or new cities via the big 3 Hubs UA is focusing on...DEN, IAH and ORD.

I wish that they were E175's though!

Any announcement of adding more used Airbus or an order of narrow body? I cannot find a transcript or a report of the fleet update for 2018 from the Investor Report off Flying Together or anywhere.

CRJ's..blech haha

Alex

4 A319, 2 A320 are in induction... dont know if more are coming this year. 10 new 737MAX9 as well.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:56 pm

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The CRJ-200s are the worst.


Not quite, having no flight at all is worse. For the bulk of us that don't live in a hub or large city, we're used to getting scraps for many flights although even a 50-seater is better than nothing. As long as the elected arm of ALPA loves the 50-seaters, UA is going to be stuck with them as the only alternative in many smaller markets.
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Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:26 pm

Any updates on the first MAX9 as far as Final Assembly/First Flight/Delivery date?
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Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:01 pm

77H wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
http://newsinflight.com/2018/01/27/united-airlines-announced-to-add-forty-bombardier-crj-200s/

"United Airlines announced on investor update, to add forty Bombardier CRJ200 to boost its United Express feeder service. The aircraft will be operated under a Capacity Purchase Agreement (CPA) signed last year by Air Wisconsin, the carrier announced on January 23, 2018.

The Chicago based carrier said to increase the feeder aircraft within the scope of CPA signed last year. The addition of forty aircraft will bring the total number of CRJ-200s operated by capacity providers to 125 aircraft. Currently Air Wisconsin and Skywest Airlines operate as capacity providers under the United Express brand. "

More CRJ's coming! Lovely...

I do hope this means true growth...while it's replacing some of the retirements...I sure hope this means expanding into returning or new cities via the big 3 Hubs UA is focusing on...DEN, IAH and ORD.

I wish that they were E175's though!

Any announcement of adding more used Airbus or an order of narrow body? I cannot find a transcript or a report of the fleet update for 2018 from the Investor Report off Flying Together or anywhere.

CRJ's..blech haha

Alex


I was on an AW CR2 operating as UAX a few months ago. The interior was brand new which made the experience a little better. If they had to bring back 50 seaters I personally would have preferred ER4s.

Does anyone know which has better operating economics? The CR2 or ER4?

77H

Obviously, they are doing this because the economics of working with AW are better than other options, but it still seems crazy to be bringing in more CR2's when they have parked ERJ's they could get back in the air easily. I think this means anyone's hope of a Small Narrowbody order are a pipe dream. They have more than enough 50 seaters, but they are obviously not going to order a 100 seat plane in order to get more 76ers. Shame. The E175/190 really give a much closer to mainline experience, and people who don't fly regularly would probably be less likely to realize that they are on a commuter plane, improving the subconscious image of the airline. And of course, most frequent flyers would prefer them too.
 
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Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:04 pm

atrude777 wrote:
http://newsinflight.com/2018/01/27/united-airlines-announced-to-add-forty-bombardier-crj-200s/

"United Airlines announced on investor update, to add forty Bombardier CRJ200 to boost its United Express feeder service. The aircraft will be operated under a Capacity Purchase Agreement (CPA) signed last year by Air Wisconsin, the carrier announced on January 23, 2018.

The Chicago based carrier said to increase the feeder aircraft within the scope of CPA signed last year. The addition of forty aircraft will bring the total number of CRJ-200s operated by capacity providers to 125 aircraft. Currently Air Wisconsin and Skywest Airlines operate as capacity providers under the United Express brand. "

More CRJ's coming! Lovely...

I do hope this means true growth...while it's replacing some of the retirements...I sure hope this means expanding into returning or new cities via the big 3 Hubs UA is focusing on...DEN, IAH and ORD.

I wish that they were E175's though!

Any announcement of adding more used Airbus or an order of narrow body? I cannot find a transcript or a report of the fleet update for 2018 from the Investor Report off Flying Together or anywhere.

CRJ's..blech haha

Alex

I thought when I first read this that they would be coming off of American, but they don't have 40 CR2's. Where are these planes coming from?
 
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Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:43 pm

Actually its over 60 ZW CRJ’s that will be rejoining the UAX fleet. The 40 number must be what is being added in 2018. ZW started transitioning back to UA from AA in 2017 (Sept I believe). I believe their last planes leave the Eagle side in Feb?
 
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Actually its over 60 ZW CRJ’s that will be rejoining the UAX fleet. The 40 number must be what is being added in 2018. ZW started transitioning back to UA from AA in 2017 (Sept I believe). I believe their last planes leave the Eagle side in Feb?

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Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:12 am

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Any updates on the first MAX9 as far as Final Assembly/First Flight/Delivery date?

First one is LN 6834/N76501 and is in pre-assembly right now. The production rate is 40+/month so it should be on the flight line before end of February. I’m guessing UA will have it on property by April(?). No clue how long UA will need until it’s ready for first paying passingers. A total of 10 will deliver in ‘18.
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:17 pm

iahcsr wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
Any updates on the first MAX9 as far as Final Assembly/First Flight/Delivery date?

First one is LN 6834/N76501 and is in pre-assembly right now. The production rate is 40+/month so it should be on the flight line before end of February. I’m guessing UA will have it on property by April(?). No clue how long UA will need until it’s ready for first paying passingers. A total of 10 will deliver in ‘18.


I would expect around a month or so, perhaps longer, for induction before it goes to the line, even though it should ultimately be interchangeable with the rest of the 739 fleet.
 
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:16 pm

codc10 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
Any updates on the first MAX9 as far as Final Assembly/First Flight/Delivery date?

First one is LN 6834/N76501 and is in pre-assembly right now. The production rate is 40+/month so it should be on the flight line before end of February. I’m guessing UA will have it on property by April(?). No clue how long UA will need until it’s ready for first paying passingers. A total of 10 will deliver in ‘18.


I would expect around a month or so, perhaps longer, for induction before it goes to the line, even though it should ultimately be interchangeable with the rest of the 739 fleet.

I would definitely agree. Tech Ops will be crawling all over the thing, sticking their noses into every crack and crevice, sorting out all the new bells and whistles... especially the Leaps :bigthumbsup:
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Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:31 pm

Regarding the 737-9/10 Max....

Will this be a nose to tail ISP aircraft? No PTV I assume, blue leather slime line seats, but am I to understand the tray table is a bit diff design, supposedly to fold in half and have cup holders or am I making this entirely up?

These Max will come with the new F Seats being installed on the Airbus, 753 and 73G's correct? I don't recall UA actually announcing a "new" or updated interior for the Max?

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Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:11 am

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Regarding the 737-9/10 Max....

Will this be a nose to tail ISP aircraft? No PTV I assume, blue leather slime line seats, but am I to understand the tray table is a bit diff design, supposedly to fold in half and have cup holders or am I making this entirely up?

These Max will come with the new F Seats being installed on the Airbus, 753 and 73G's correct? I don't recall UA actually announcing a "new" or updated interior for the Max?

Alex


IFE will be PDE/streaming. Interior will have the new F seats. carpets, sidewalls, bulkheads and BE Aerospace Meridian Y seats. The Y seats I've seen mocked up have a regular traytable and built-in tablet holder like the 77H fleet, but with a new seat design.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:14 am

codc10 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Regarding the 737-9/10 Max....

Will this be a nose to tail ISP aircraft? No PTV I assume, blue leather slime line seats, but am I to understand the tray table is a bit diff design, supposedly to fold in half and have cup holders or am I making this entirely up?

These Max will come with the new F Seats being installed on the Airbus, 753 and 73G's correct? I don't recall UA actually announcing a "new" or updated interior for the Max?

Alex


IFE will be PDE/streaming. Interior will have the new F seats. carpets, sidewalls, bulkheads and BE Aerospace Meridian Y seats. The Y seats I've seen mocked up have a regular traytable and built-in tablet holder like the 77H fleet, but with a new seat design.


That actually sounds nice! I haven't flown a plane with the built in tablet holder so haven't experienced that feature yet.

I did a quick google, and found an article link for anyone else interested too.

http://markets.businessinsider.com/news ... 1001892631

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:16 am

Too bad that article didn’t have pictures:-(

I’m very curious to find out how this new magical comfort feature works on my lower back and butt!
I am really hoping that my less-than-love feeling I have for a 737 changes. I’m a very visual oriented person and United’s new interiors are very pretty and may actually change my feelings about a 737 vs United’s Airbus fleet.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:56 pm

VC10er wrote:
Too bad that article didn’t have pictures:-(

I’m very curious to find out how this new magical comfort feature works on my lower back and butt!
I am really hoping that my less-than-love feeling I have for a 737 changes. I’m a very visual oriented person and United’s new interiors are very pretty and may actually change my feelings about a 737 vs United’s Airbus fleet.


That is exactly what I was thinking when I read the article will this seat be more comfortable than the current slimline seats. There will alway be passengers who complain about leg room but there is a consensus that UA's slimline seats are not comfortable. I hope the magical comfort feature they are talking about is more padding on these seats, because the current slimline's hurt.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:43 pm

Pain is a “buy UP” strategy- which is why I will dole out for First Class (almost) always. I shall skimp everywhere else, but not flying (my favorite thing to do). And I will try to find the Airbus because I really like the new United F seat, or for 757-200 on the route to get a bed.
I’m wildly curious about this magical feature. Remember legacy United’s rainbow Economy seat: comfortable with an awesome headrest!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:23 pm

73G:
N29717 exited MCO 2785/30Jan with slimlines

764:
N76054 entered MCO 2790/26Jan, sked to exit 2781/31Jan

772:
N209UA sked to exit HKG 896/2Feb
N783UA appears to be entering HKG 895/31Jan

789:
N26952 entered PVG 2687/18Jan
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Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:54 pm

789

Looks like N24792 is scheduled to do an employee appreciation flight.

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:24 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
772:
N209UA sked to exit HKG 896/2Feb
N783UA appears to be entering HKG 895/31Jan


Probably wishful thinking but I'd love to see a 2nd 777 Polaris mod line at HAECO. Most likely this is a regular mx interval.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:49 pm

codc10 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
772:
N209UA sked to exit HKG 896/2Feb
N783UA appears to be entering HKG 895/31Jan


Probably wishful thinking but I'd love to see a 2nd 777 Polaris mod line at HAECO. Most likely this is a regular mx interval.

They don’t have the seat supply to run one even if they wanted. They could run two mod lines in SFO if it weren’t for the supply issues.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:30 pm

Does anyone know what's up with N644UA? After the incident at AMS last week she made her way back to Newark empty, did a handful of domestic runs, and is now stuck at LHR?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:31 pm

B737900ER wrote:
codc10 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
772:
N209UA sked to exit HKG 896/2Feb
N783UA appears to be entering HKG 895/31Jan


Probably wishful thinking but I'd love to see a 2nd 777 Polaris mod line at HAECO. Most likely this is a regular mx interval.

They don’t have the seat supply to run one even if they wanted. They could run two mod lines in SFO if it weren’t for the supply issues.


For what it's worth, there are three mod lines running in parallel at HKG for the 767 (though a more extensive overhaul than just new interiors) and one in XMN for the 777. So the supply issue is obviously a limiting factor, but there is progress.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:27 pm

KVH68 wrote:
789

Looks like N24792 is scheduled to do an employee appreciation flight.

Feb 6, SEA-PAE, Flight# 2701
Feb 7, PAE-ORD, Flight# 2700

So it’s going to sit in SEA till the 6th? Interesting. It’s been there since the 18th and induction has rarely taken more than 7-10 days in the past. Apparently it just isn’t needed anywhere ATM.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:25 pm

Where are the Polaris seats manufactured? In Asia, the US or elsewhere? Did the manufacturer make a promise they couldn't keep...it's not (I assume) as if they didn't have a pretty tight number of units in advance and over a designated period of time to source, build and ship them. Unless the 14-18 77W's came as a late breaking surprise to them...or something. UCH management must be burning up over this (one would assume too)
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Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:10 am

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Does anyone know which has better operating economics? The CR2 or ER4?



CR2 uses less fuel on the ranges most commonly operated by that size class, ERJ has greater range capability.

My CRJ to ORD usually takes about 1000 pounds less fuel than my ERJ does... but the ERJ could get to IAH with a full load where the CRJ would likely take a weight restriction.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:53 am

antoniemey wrote:
77H wrote:

Does anyone know which has better operating economics? The CR2 or ER4?



CR2 uses less fuel on the ranges most commonly operated by that size class, ERJ has greater range capability.

My CRJ to ORD usually takes about 1000 pounds less fuel than my ERJ does... but the ERJ could get to IAH with a full load where the CRJ would likely take a weight restriction.

The CRJ2 also has miserable performance, especially in the summer. The climb rates are completely garbage. The E145 isn't exactly a superstar, but at least it can hit cruise altitude at some point during the flight.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:33 pm

319:
N897UA sked to exit LCQ Induction ferry 2800/2Feb LCQ-IAH, usually fights when straight to VCV paint

73G:
N27724 entered MIA 2798/1Feb for slimlines

738:
N77525 was to enter RFD 2780/31Jan, but diverted to ORD and is probably waiting for N79521 to be completed

764:
N69059 entered MCO 2795 1Feb

772:
N78017 entered HKG 179/13Feb
N69020 sked to exit HKG 180/3Feb

789:
N26952 sked to exit PVG 890/4Feb
N35953 sked to enter PVG 890/2Feb
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:17 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
319:
N897UA sked to exit LCQ Induction ferry 2800/2Feb LCQ-IAH, usually fights when straight to VCV paint

73G:
N27724 entered MIA 2798/1Feb for slimlines

738:
N77525 was to enter RFD 2780/31Jan, but diverted to ORD and is probably waiting for N79521 to be completed

764:
N69059 entered MCO 2795 1Feb

772:
N78017 entered HKG 179/13Feb
N69020 sked to exit HKG 180/3Feb

789:
N26952 sked to exit PVG 890/4Feb
N35953 sked to enter PVG 890/2Feb

A319
N897UA Could it have been painted at LCQ? That would explain the long gap from test hop to now. Also odd it came into C42 rather than straight to the hanger. If not painted would love to see what looks like atm
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:04 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
The CRJ2 also has miserable performance, especially in the summer. The climb rates are completely garbage. The E145 isn't exactly a superstar, but at least it can hit cruise altitude at some point during the flight.


CR2 W&B is horrible as well. Asking 4 people up front to move to the back on non-full flights is not a good thing.

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