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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:05 pm

STL doesn't want to be shown up by the CMH runway 5k and is having one of their own. Special Olympics fundraiser.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 68eba.html
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:36 am

I finished the February. Frequency to city by each airline spreadsheet.

Not a ton of changes.
Oak takes the month off on WN (but it was supposed to be 2 1/2 months and got reduced to a month)
DLs seasonal to MCO starts.
Puerto Vallartas seasonal starts up Swift
AA adds 11 weekly flights and a few more mainline.
Decatur switches from Air Choice One to Cape Air.
Allegiant adds 4 weeklys.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

I see the new PDEW numbers are out so I will update that this weekend and I should finally finish my load factor spreadsheet also (although now I need to update it for October)
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:59 am

Jshank83 wrote:
I finished the February. Frequency to city by each airline spreadsheet.

Not a ton of changes.
Oak takes the month off on WN (but it was supposed to be 2 1/2 months and got reduced to a month)
DLs seasonal to MCO starts.
Puerto Vallartas seasonal starts up Swift
AA adds 11 weekly flights and a few more mainline.
Decatur switches from Air Choice One to Cape Air.
Allegiant adds 4 weeklys.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

I see the new PDEW numbers are out so I will update that this weekend and I should finally finish my load factor spreadsheet also (although now I need to update it for October)

Thank you, this is very organized
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:06 am

The load factor spread sheet is completely up to date now. International is through July, Domestic through October.

The first tab has a summery of all of the airlines/routes for the year. There is a summery tab for each airline before individual tabs for each route from that airline. The individual tabs have to broken down by month. Summery tabs are by year.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:03 pm

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The load factor spread sheet is completely up to date now. International is through July, Domestic through October.

The first tab has a summery of all of the airlines/routes for the year. There is a summery tab for each airline before individual tabs for each route from that airline. The individual tabs have to broken down by month. Summery tabs are by year.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing



Thank you! This is VERY informative. Now, looking at the International numbers on XTRA, it would lend me to believe that WN could have some business opportunities to MBJ and PUJ non-strop from STL. That would be my bet. Seeing the SDJ is only around 50% that won't happen and will have to filter through HOU, DEN, etc. :-(
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:18 pm

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Thank you! This is VERY informative. Now, looking at the International numbers on XTRA, it would lend me to believe that WN could have some business opportunities to MBJ and PUJ non-strop from STL. That would be my bet. Seeing the SDJ is only around 50% that won't happen and will have to filter through HOU, DEN, etc. :-(


I think those make the most sense for WN to venture into next. PUJ runs twice weekly for a big chunk of the year (Jan-Aug), MBJ does for 2 months (Jun-July). They both run 1x weekly the rest of the year. I think Aruba would be fun but I am not sure I see WN taking a chance on it without any background here. The other two like you mentioned are probably safer picks. I am curious how the CUN flights have been doing. Since the upgraded them to daily over March it leads me to believe they haven't had any trouble selling them.
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:03 pm

Sounds like tomorrow they are opening the bids from whoever is wanting to help the airport pick from future bids, from firms who want run the airport, if it privatizes.

Apparently we need to hire people to pick the people or something.
 
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Sounds like tomorrow they are opening the bids from whoever is wanting to help the airport pick from future bids, from firms who want run the airport, if it privatizes.

Apparently we need to hire people to pick the people or something.



Makes sense! :banghead:
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:19 am

Article on the privatization status:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... 6af75.html

Editorial on it:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/colu ... 8a2d1.html

I still think this is a horrible idea.
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:56 am

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Feeling a little pride with the error stated in the article. Photographer states the 757 was the first to land on the new runway. Nope - it was an MD-83 ironically an ex TWA bird that did it. I know because I was there and I took the pic of the Mad Dog in this link when I worked for STL.

http://webpages.charter.net/dandassow/Flight_2470.htm
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:47 pm

Still no pick for consultant.

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... rport.html

A city of St. Louis committee on Wednesday failed to pick an advisory team to help it with privatizing St. Louis Lambert International Airport, according to Mayor Lyda Krewson's spokesman.

The committee, comprised of representatives from the offices of Krewson, Comptroller Darlene Green, Board of Aldermen President Lewis Reed and the city counselor, had said it would make the selection by the end of October. The request for proposals was issued in September. The city must select an advisory team if privatization is to move forward.

The spokesman, Koran Addo, could not immediately provide more information. Krewson's office had wanted to make the pick by the end of 2017 in order to keep financial markets interested in privatization, said one person familiar with the matter. It wasn't immediately clear what was holding up the process.

The consultants would not receive up-front money from the city, and would eventually be paid using money from the lease with a private operator, Linda Martinez, Krewson's deputy mayor for development, has said.

Facing perennial budget problems, former Mayor Francis Slay announced near the end of his term last year that the city would explore the move as a way to capture millions of dollars from a lease with an operator. He worked with Grow Missouri, a nonprofit funded by billionaire conservative activist and Slay supporter Rex Sinquefield, to craft an initial application for a Federal Aviation Administration program that would allow the move. The FAA in April gave the city preliminary approval to explore the privatization, and at least two companies — California-based Oaktree Capital and Australian firm Macquarie — have hired local lobbyists to help steer them through the process.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:45 pm

Looks like DL is adding a 3rd daily flight to SLC, starting in June. I would have rather have a flight to SEA or LAX but I guess I won't get choosy.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:09 pm

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Looks like DL is adding a 3rd daily flight to SLC, starting in June. I would have rather have a flight to SEA or LAX but I guess I won't get choosy.

Is the flight doing well or is it more of a WN blocker flight?
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:59 pm

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Looks like DL is adding a 3rd daily flight to SLC, starting in June. I would have rather have a flight to SEA or LAX but I guess I won't get choosy.

Is the flight doing well or is it more of a WN blocker flight?


I think it does pretty well. Over 80% loads most of the time. Not that that is the end all be all but its better than other DL routes. It is the best DL station from STL to get to the west coast. Might mean more people are flying it out west.
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:53 am

Volaris flight diverted to STL. That isn't one you see here often.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOI ... /MMQT/KSTL
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:14 am

^ Man that Volaris flight practically got all the way to O'Hare before it had to divert to STL. Any reason given as to why?

Seems like that tweet is related - the timestamps can't be a coincidence.
 
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^ Man that Volaris flight practically got all the way to O'Hare before it had to divert to STL. Any reason given as to why?

Seems like that tweet is related - the timestamps can't be a coincidence.



I know that had bad fog today. A bunch of cancelled flights. At 9:30ish they had no inbound flights so it must have been bad to have diversions and cancellations all day.
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:49 am

They might have to run them through customs here. The fog isn't supposed to let up at MDW until it looks like noon tomorrow. Not sure what options they have if they can't land before then. I guess they could decide to fly them to ORD instead. It seems to have flights going in and out still.
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:10 pm

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Volaris flight diverted to STL. That isn't one you see here often.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOI ... /MMQT/KSTL


Looks like it is finally leaving at 11:40 this morning.
 
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:48 pm

From the Amazon RFP

Not sure when we got Etihad Airlines here......

Whoever proofread this thing did not do a good job.

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Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:36 pm

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From the Amazon RFP

Not sure when we got Etihad Airlines here......

Whoever proofread this thing did not do a good job.

Image


Hey maybe they know something we don't! The much needed direct STL-AUH flights :lol:
 
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:57 pm

The airport posted their annual Noise Report but it also includes operations.

It is broken down by runway use and how many flights by each airline (top 20). Also breaks down how many of each type of airplane were used (top 20). I found it interesting.

Top 5 airlines by flights (only includes mainline for Delta/American):

Southwest ---73,005
Cape Air ---18,969
American ---15,305
Delta ---9,905
Air Choice One ---8,279

United isn't even in the top 20. Not a big surprise since they run pretty much all regional jets here.

Top 5 airplane types:
Boeing 737-700 ---49,459
Boeing 737-800 ---21,662
Cessna 402 Utiliner ---19,121
Embraer 145 ---11,424
Canadair RJ 700 ---10,109

All those make sense based on the users of them.

Looks like the newest runway was around 10% use.
A total of 21 widebody commerical planes used the airport, apparently.

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... -final.pdf
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:24 pm

WOW adding a 5th weekly flight over the summer. Must be off to a good start to expand before flights have started.

The fifth weekly flight will add departures on Sundays between June 3, 2018 and September 23, 2018.

https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... and-flight
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:07 pm

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WOW adding a 5th weekly flight over the summer. Must be off to a good start to expand before flights have started.

The fifth weekly flight will add departures on Sundays between June 3, 2018 and September 23, 2018.

https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... and-flight


It will be interesting to see what % are connecting in KEF to other cities in Europe. Looking forward to seeing this data.
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:54 pm

WOW, no upgrade from any other "new" city, but they do all have other TATLs.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:19 pm

Found this posted on twitter. Show the seats available by airline for the last 3 Decembers.

Change from 2016 to 2017

American (-22,904) -1.51%
Air Canada (+8,547) +26.71%
Alaska (-6,621) -5.11%
Delta (-8,070) -0.74%
Frontier (+36,780) +9.88%
United (-19,835) -3.09%
Southwest (+539,098) +10.86%
Total (+518,899) +10.45%

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3E = Air Choice One
9K = Cape Air

Just glancing through what I have seen for routes this year. Southwest will be up a fair amount again. I think Alaska will be up some. Frontier will be down. WOW will be new. Air Choice One (lost Decatur) and Cape Air (lost Cape G and Quincy, gained Decatur) will be down. United, I would guess will be down again. American and Delta I am not sure about. Air Canada will be up a little more now that their 3x daily will have a full year on it.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:31 pm

18 aldermen ask St. Louis leaders to reject Sinquefield-affiliated firm as airport privatization advisor

It will be interesting to see how this plays out seeing they can block any privitization.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... b854d.html
 
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18 aldermen ask St. Louis leaders to reject Sinquefield-affiliated firm as airport privatization advisor

It will be interesting to see how this plays out seeing they can block any privitization.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... b854d.html


The St. Louis BOA is a complete joke to begin with as is the mayor and her band on moronic minions. The BOA can't even execute what was approved and has zero insight on what is going on. This whole deal is not good. The process is being funded by Missouri’s most prolific political donor, Sinquefield. Why is this even being investigated? There are no airports in the US that I am aware of that are privately owned.
 
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Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:43 pm

San Juan, PR is the only one and they pretty much did it because they were broke and needed cash. One of the Northeast airports (Stewart?) tried it for awhile then went back public.

This is one of the few times the BOA has it right. They shouldn't be shut out from the process since they can approve or deny it. I really don't think this will make it through it the end, too many people seem to be against it. I am trying to keep an open mind but it all seems shady so far. That really hasn't put them in my good graces to think it is on the up and up. I also think is it weird they aren't consulting any of the current airport administration on things. You would think you would want to have the director looped in so that she can give them info on the current dealings and talk to them about needs, etc. Right now it is just 5 random people deciding all this that have no clue what is going on. Which again brings it back to the shady part.
 
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Jshank83 wrote:
18 aldermen ask St. Louis leaders to reject Sinquefield-affiliated firm as airport privatization advisor

It will be interesting to see how this plays out seeing they can block any privitization.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... b854d.html


The St. Louis BOA is a complete joke to begin with as is the mayor and her band on moronic minions. The BOA can't even execute what was approved and has zero insight on what is going on. This whole deal is not good. The process is being funded by Missouri’s most prolific political donor, Sinquefield. Why is this even being investigated? There are no airports in the US that I am aware of that are privately owned.

The only reason I can understand this is even happening is to pander up to somebody like Donald or Greitens and their "we need private cooperations" nonsense and secure funding for something else. Like you said, I have no clue why Krewson/Slay support this.
 
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Krewson posted this on Twitter in defense of support https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... letter.cfm
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:12 am

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The only reason I can understand this is even happening is to pander up to somebody like Donald or Greitens and their "we need private cooperations" nonsense and secure funding for something else. Like you said, I have no clue why Krewson/Slay support this.


Slay is behind it more than about anyone. Krewson seems to be picking it up where he left off. It is on them. I think I heard Rex was a donor to Slay. There are multiple people that were on Slay's staff that now are working on the private side of the effort.

I think the reason Slay and Krewson are for it is because they want a bigger chunk of money out of it to waste.. I mean use on things in the city.

Article Slay put out.

http://www.stltoday.com/opinion/columni ... 8f055.html
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:35 am

I am not usually a Ray Hartman fan but he brings up a good point in this.

"So why would these companies be ready to pay billions to take over St. Louis’ airport? I think the answer is clear: It’s all about real estate development. It’s clear as we look around the nation that the aerotropolis—essentially a small city built around a major airport—is all the rage.

I have a strong suspicion that the smart people who’d pay megabucks to take over our airport operations have something like this in mind. The big money isn’t in airport concessions and landing fees, I’d guess, but rather in economic development rights."

https://www.stlmag.com/news/think-again ... atization/
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:08 am

Just... ugh. This whole thing reeks to high heaven. Sinquefield needs to get his grubby little paws off of the airport and stick to chess or whatever.

I had high hopes for Krewson when she took office, but she's quickly wearing out her welcome with me with her continued defense of and push for airport privatization. There are no losers in the "deal"; something HAS to be up with it.

The only reasons it even makes sense for them to do it are:

A). The city needs an immediate cash injection (which is incredibly dumb considering the airport is a long-term asset that is actually doing quite well for itself again).
B). Multiple people in the city govt. are in T. Rex's pocket and he wants control of it to profit off of it.

I sincerely hope that this dies quickly.
 
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Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:00 pm

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Just... ugh. This whole thing reeks to high heaven. Sinquefield needs to get his grubby little paws off of the airport and stick to chess or whatever.

I had high hopes for Krewson when she took office, but she's quickly wearing out her welcome with me with her continued defense of and push for airport privatization. There are no losers in the "deal"; something HAS to be up with it.

The only reasons it even makes sense for them to do it are:

A). The city needs an immediate cash injection (which is incredibly dumb considering the airport is a long-term asset that is actually doing quite well for itself again).
B). Multiple people in the city govt. are in T. Rex's pocket and he wants control of it to profit off of it.

I sincerely hope that this dies quickly.


I think option A is the main motivation. I don't think it will make it to the finish line but I am sure it will go on for a while.
 
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:31 am

Taking a break from the privatization talk, I have a question for those knowledgeable of STL history.

How many transatlantic destinations did TWA serve at the peak of the hub, how many did AA take over after they acquired TWA and when/what year did AA cut all TATL service from STL?
 
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Taking a break from the privatization talk, I have a question for those knowledgeable of STL history.

How many transatlantic destinations did TWA serve at the peak of the hub, how many did AA take over after they acquired TWA and when/what year did AA cut all TATL service from STL?


If I recall it was only LGW and CDG. I believe FRA was announced but cant remember if it ever started? AA took over both LGW and CDG. TATL ended in Nov 2003 after the hub was sliced in half from about 420 flights to 210.
 
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ADrum23 wrote:
Taking a break from the privatization talk, I have a question for those knowledgeable of STL history.

How many transatlantic destinations did TWA serve at the peak of the hub, how many did AA take over after they acquired TWA and when/what year did AA cut all TATL service from STL?


Found this old thread. As mentioned CDG and LGW. Looks like FRA ran for a short time in the early 90s then went away but was planned again to start up before the merger happened and never did. FCO and NRT were also planned but didn't start.

viewtopic.php?t=375089
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:19 pm

I added March to my Departures by Month Spreadsheet. (Airline/City)

Notes:

I added plane type to all routes. (737 is just 737, I didn't break it out by -700,-800 etc)
Southwest starts West Palm Beach (Saturday only) and brings back Panama City (daily)
Southwest is up 13 weekday departures from February to 114. Up 22 on Saturday (93) and up 19 on Sunday (114). I think everything seems to be back (or close) to pre 737-300 retirement levels.
Alaska brings Portland back and adds a 2nd daily to Seattle.
Frontier goes to 4x weekly to Denver for March. First time I have seen it less than daily. I do not understand Frontier's route strategy. March was their best Load % last year.

STL is up 136 weekly departures total from February (up 19.4 per day).
BLV is up 1 weekly.

Wednesday has the most departures with 255.

Total weekly depatures by airline:

Southwest .....778
American .......280
United.............188
Delta ..............184
Frontier...........30
Alaska............28
Allegiant..........21
Air Canada .....19

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:33 pm

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Frontier goes to 4x weekly to Denver for March. First time I have seen it less than daily. I do not understand Frontier's route strategy. March was their best Load % last year.


F9 currently has a plane shortage with F9's re-entry into some markets that it previously pulled out of, F9's entry into new destinations in the Northeast, and F9 adding additional nonstop routes out of AUS, CVG, MIA, MCO, and TPA.
 
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Taking a break from the privatization talk, I have a question for those knowledgeable of STL history.

How many transatlantic destinations did TWA serve at the peak of the hub, how many did AA take over after they acquired TWA and when/what year did AA cut all TATL service from STL?


CDG, LGW and FRA.

I want to say CDG and FRA were both seasonal and only ran in the summer months and FRA didn't last long anyway. LGW was the only route to run past the merger and was cut in November of 2003.

I distinctly remembering seeing the 747 on STL-LGW before it was retired. I believe STL-HNL saw it as well. Both routes later went 763 until the drawdown.
 
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777PHX wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
Taking a break from the privatization talk, I have a question for those knowledgeable of STL history.

How many transatlantic destinations did TWA serve at the peak of the hub, how many did AA take over after they acquired TWA and when/what year did AA cut all TATL service from STL?


I believe STL-HNL saw it as well. Both routes later went 763 until the drawdown.


I know STL-HNL was a 747 at one time. Flew there three times on TW1
 
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A total of 21 widebody commerical planes used the airport, apparently.



Twenty. One. Measly. Widebodies. Wonder how many of them were sports charters?
 
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Probably not many with only one active professional sports team at the moment.

I'd wager that's almost entirely 5X and FX. Those were the only wide-bodies we saw when I lived there a few years ago.
 
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Probably not many with only one active professional sports team at the moment.

I'd wager that's almost entirely 5X and FX. Those were the only wide-bodies we saw when I lived there a few years ago.


Cargo had a separate column so they didn't count in that number. There were 1,291 Cargo Wide Bodies.

It says commercial wide body is 21. Cardinals use the downtown airport so they won't be in those numbers. I am guessing a lot of the other teams do also or it would be higher than 21, especially if the Blues use STL.

I am guessing it counts the DL one offs on equipment changes on the schedule. There also were wide body diversions that landed at the airport so I would assume it is a combination between diversions, DL one offs, and charters (assuming charters count in that number).
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:54 am

Cardinals fly a Delta 757 and land at CPS, so it’s not them. Blues fly a Miami Air 737 and land at STL, so it’s not them. I think most other MLB and NHL teams use narrow bodies.

No scheduled widebodies, so they’re either one-off equipment swaps, charters or diversions.
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:44 pm

Final 2017 numbers are out. They are in a cool graphic form, including route map, instead of the usual spreadsheet. I am guessing the spreadsheet will still be released with December numbers.

14,730,656 is the final count for the year. Up 5.5% (771,530 total)
Aircraft Operations up 3.1%

57.5% Southwest
16.6% American
11.5% Delta
6.8% United
4.7% Frontier

Total Departing Seats 18,743,407 up 5.9% (I think this is a typo and should say total seats departing and arriving)
Connectioning Passengers up 29.7%

Solid year.

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... istics.pdf
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:10 pm

The December numbers are have been posted. Up 3% for the month

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... PubRel.pdf

Sidenote: If STL is up 4.4% next year it will have its highest levels since 2003 (which was right before a big AA pulldown in 2004)
 
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Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:03 pm

STLflyer wrote:
Cardinals fly a Delta 757 and land at CPS, so it’s not them. Blues fly a Miami Air 737 and land at STL, so it’s not them. I think most other MLB and NHL teams use narrow bodies.

No scheduled widebodies, so they’re either one-off equipment swaps, charters or diversions.


Thanks, y'all. Makes sense. And 1200 WB cargo movements/yr is nothing to sneeze at, for sure.

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