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Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:02 pm

Happy new year.

It time for a new thread. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:55 pm

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Ok, I will start off this thread. So the Iconic red on the concourses are gone. Does anyone have an exterior pic of the new design then?
 
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Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:51 pm

It’s not nearly gone. I’d say only about 20 percent is new. It’s a dark grey with dark black tinted windows.
 
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Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:33 pm

International flights not operated by Delta or Southwest:

AC 4x daily YYZ CRJ
AF 2x daily CDG 772/773 (DL codeshare)
BA daily LHR 772
KE daily ICN 773 (DL codeshare)
KL 2x daily AMS 772 (DL codeshare)
LH daily FRA 343
QR daily DOH 773
TK Tu,W,F,Sa,Su IST 333
VS M,W,Sa MAN 333 (DL codeshare)
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:27 pm

2017 was a pretty good year. Aeromexico and Jetblue adds were significant. There's a lot more competition to major domestic markets than there was 3 or so years ago.

I really wish someone would come in and bust up the Skyteam near-monopoly TATL. For Western Europe you have two frequencies per day of non-Skyteam airlines, about to fall below 2 with LH scaling back.

Most likely international adds this year?

My quick list:

WestJet
COPA
Avianca
Norwegian
WOW
Icelandair
Volaris
Interjet
More Aeromexico adds?
Delta - Puebla, Guayaquil, Tuxtla Gutierrez, YVR year round, Santiago DR
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:39 pm

I found this article from Irish Central that states that ATL is one of many US cities that Aer Lingus is considering the launch of once they receive their new Airbus A321LR's.
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/aer-l ... es-flights
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:20 am

DLvsWN wrote:
2017 was a pretty good year. Aeromexico and Jetblue adds were significant. There's a lot more competition to major domestic markets than there was 3 or so years ago.

I really wish someone would come in and bust up the Skyteam near-monopoly TATL. For Western Europe you have two frequencies per day of non-Skyteam airlines, about to fall below 2 with LH scaling back.

Most likely international adds this year?

My quick list:

WestJet
COPA
Avianca
Norwegian
WOW
Icelandair
Volaris
Interjet
More Aeromexico adds?
Delta - Puebla, Guayaquil, Tuxtla Gutierrez, YVR year round, Santiago DR


Thats quite an ambitious list you have there. Id say:

Westjet: Given that DL and WS are going to deepen relations, it seems logical.
Copa: DL has South America on lock, but perhaps with an E90?
Avianca: Copa is more likely. Avianca has traditionally gone for the ethnic market which isn't that big in Atlanta. Plus with the UA JV coming up, their energy will be elsewhere.
WOW/Icelandair: I don't see why not. Their cost of operation is low and ATL seems like a logical add for one of them.
Volaris: Maybe, but AM/DL seem to have the ATL-Mexico market on lock. Maybe 3x a week to GDL.
Interjet: See Volaris.
PBC: UA/AA can barely make that one work from DFW/IAH which is a substantially larger market to Mexico and PBC. Doubt it.
TUX: UA couldn't make it work from IAH, there is no way DL makes it work from ATL. IAH is closer and is a larger market to Guatemala. UA had the luxury of being able to use a E145. DL doesn't have that from ATL.
YVR: This one might work but it has to be marketed to feed the Caribbean and Sun markets to work.
GYE: DL has tried this numerous times. Only MIA and NYC seem to be able to make it work.

Ill say this as well: I do not think AM's experiment to smaller markets from ATL will last long. Those are markets that really only makes sense from DFW, IAH, LAX, and ORD where the demand is. You might get some connections from ORD, but not from Texas or California. Plus, as UA has found out, the money in Mexico isn't in the smaller markets, its in the larger ones like MTY, MEX, GDL, CUN, etc.
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:22 pm

Anyone heard the news that Qatar is bringing their A350-900 starting March to replace the 777-300ER? Pretty stoked to hear it!
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:26 pm

I must have missed the news that AM is flying here again. I don't see them on the schedule. Where to?
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:28 pm

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I must have missed the news that AM is flying here again. I don't see them on the schedule. Where to?

GDL, BJX, MID, MTY and QRO. All on Ejets IIRC.


FWIW Delta is using AM to outsource a lot of flying to places like GDL, BJX and MTY. GDL for example is about to be down to ATL only. Delta pulled completely out of BJX and IIRC MTY is just ATL and DTW.
Hope DALPA is paying attention......
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:28 pm

Delta763 wrote:
I must have missed the news that AM is flying here again. I don't see them on the schedule. Where to?

AM currently flies from ATL to GDL, BJX, MID, MTY and QRO, all under the Connect brand and with the Embraer E190.
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:09 am

william wrote:
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Ok, I will start off this thread. So the Iconic red on the concourses are gone. Does anyone have an exterior pic of the new design then?


It is like a slate gray like said below. In addition before the drop ceiling inside the terminals was flat from window to window, now it is more of a \____/ shape with the upwards opening up to new windows they have added up top. I honestly cannot remember if they replaced some of the solid panels between with more windows but if I am remembering correctly they did. It is such a huge change versus the old generic interior and feels much more open when you are in the seating areas at the gates. If you are flying through and have some time I am pretty certain the A terminal is complete, at least A1-Atrium is from my last trip through.

The new canopies over the departures and arrivals drives are going up quick too and look really good! That construction is causing a traffic nightmare in the drives though.
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:27 am

deltal1011man wrote:
Delta763 wrote:
I must have missed the news that AM is flying here again. I don't see them on the schedule. Where to?

GDL, BJX, MID, MTY and QRO. All on Ejets IIRC.


FWIW Delta is using AM to outsource a lot of flying to places like GDL, BJX and MTY. GDL for example is about to be down to ATL only. Delta pulled completely out of BJX and IIRC MTY is just ATL and DTW.
Hope DALPA is paying attention......


Not sure I agree with the term “outsource.” With the exception of GDL, all previous flying to these cities was on DLX. And GDL has fluctuated betweeen 1-2x to ATL for quite some time. They tried GDLLAX, but that was never going to work against Volaris. Plus, DL picked up some SLC and LAX flying.
 
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Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:24 am

Yeah, outsource isnt the right term. Thats just how JV's work.
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Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:49 am

flyaa757 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
Delta763 wrote:
I must have missed the news that AM is flying here again. I don't see them on the schedule. Where to?

GDL, BJX, MID, MTY and QRO. All on Ejets IIRC.


FWIW Delta is using AM to outsource a lot of flying to places like GDL, BJX and MTY. GDL for example is about to be down to ATL only. Delta pulled completely out of BJX and IIRC MTY is just ATL and DTW.
Hope DALPA is paying attention......


Not sure I agree with the term “outsource.” With the exception of GDL, all previous flying to these cities was on DLX. And GDL has fluctuated betweeen 1-2x to ATL for quite some time. They tried GDLLAX, but that was never going to work against Volaris. Plus, DL picked up some SLC and LAX flying.

I didn't know Volaris was around when Delta bought western.

and some of the other flying has seen mainline off and on at least. ie SLC-GDL and IIRC LAX-BJX and/or ATL-BJX.

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Yeah, outsource isnt the right term. Thats just how JV's work.

taking mainline flying to lower cost Mexican carriers isn't outsourcing?
wat?
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:20 am

GoSteelers wrote:
It’s not nearly gone. I’d say only about 20 percent is new. It’s a dark grey with dark black tinted windows.


You can see it in the background

Image
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:38 am

deltal1011man wrote:
flyaa757 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
GDL, BJX, MID, MTY and QRO. All on Ejets IIRC.


FWIW Delta is using AM to outsource a lot of flying to places like GDL, BJX and MTY. GDL for example is about to be down to ATL only. Delta pulled completely out of BJX and IIRC MTY is just ATL and DTW.
Hope DALPA is paying attention......


Not sure I agree with the term “outsource.” With the exception of GDL, all previous flying to these cities was on DLX. And GDL has fluctuated betweeen 1-2x to ATL for quite some time. They tried GDLLAX, but that was never going to work against Volaris. Plus, DL picked up some SLC and LAX flying.

I didn't know Volaris was around when Delta bought western.

and some of the other flying has seen mainline off and on at least. ie SLC-GDL and IIRC LAX-BJX and/or ATL-BJX.

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Yeah, outsource isnt the right term. Thats just how JV's work.

taking mainline flying to lower cost Mexican carriers isn't outsourcing?
wat?


Please show me a timetable or OAG with mainline to BJX outside of perhaps a 2 week holiday period.

When was the last time SLC-GDL operated?

Does DL not benefit from passengers connecting to ATLQRO and ATLMID? Those local markets are near zero. This works because of the JV and connection possibilities.

Western? The merger was in 1987...
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:55 am

deltal1011man wrote:
flyaa757 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
GDL, BJX, MID, MTY and QRO. All on Ejets IIRC.


FWIW Delta is using AM to outsource a lot of flying to places like GDL, BJX and MTY. GDL for example is about to be down to ATL only. Delta pulled completely out of BJX and IIRC MTY is just ATL and DTW.
Hope DALPA is paying attention......


Not sure I agree with the term “outsource.” With the exception of GDL, all previous flying to these cities was on DLX. And GDL has fluctuated betweeen 1-2x to ATL for quite some time. They tried GDLLAX, but that was never going to work against Volaris. Plus, DL picked up some SLC and LAX flying.

I didn't know Volaris was around when Delta bought western.

and some of the other flying has seen mainline off and on at least. ie SLC-GDL and IIRC LAX-BJX and/or ATL-BJX.

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Yeah, outsource isnt the right term. Thats just how JV's work.

taking mainline flying to lower cost Mexican carriers isn't outsourcing?
wat?


Its about who has the right plane for the route and what the availability is. DL, for example, tried and failed at ATL-QRO. Now AM is going to give it a shot because they have the right equipment.

Not to mention, there is almost no local market to places like QRO and MID. If it werent for the JV, those routes have a near zero chance of sustainability.
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:03 am

neomax wrote:
GoSteelers wrote:
It’s not nearly gone. I’d say only about 20 percent is new. It’s a dark grey with dark black tinted windows.


You can see it in the background

Image


Wow!!!! What a difference, thank you Neomax,Pezzy669 and Go Steelers. I went through there this summer, and A and D had the ceiling tiles over the main walking areas removed. Will definitely change the character of ATL from bland to.....................something.
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:02 pm

The Virgin Atlantic A340-600 made an appearance today after months of absence. For some aparent reason its heading into JFK as we speak. Also looking on FlightAware, we have a Lufthansa A380 that's is bound for FRA. What an amazing surprise to see both of these quad jets out here! Here's the link to the two flights.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR3
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9875
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:16 pm

Narfish641 wrote:
The Virgin Atlantic A340-600 made an appearance today after months of absence.


It was operating LHR-JFK yesterday and diverted to ATL because of the winter storm. Several DL flights to JFK yesterday overflew and came down to ATL. LH 400, an A380, also diverted from JFK to ATL. I hope some can post a pic!
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:10 am

Oilman wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:
The Virgin Atlantic A340-600 made an appearance today after months of absence.


It was operating LHR-JFK yesterday and diverted to ATL because of the winter storm. Several DL flights to JFK yesterday overflew and came down to ATL. LH 400, an A380, also diverted from JFK to ATL. I hope some can post a pic!

I guess not a huge surprise Virgin came down here given their affiliation with Delta and all. The Lufthansa A380 is very surprising though. You’d figure a Star Alliance base or at least somewhere where they have more presence. Then again what good is a new A380 gate if you don’t use it, right? :biggrin:
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:49 am

It actually used the old gate at the E concourse.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:33 pm

N776AU wrote:
Oilman wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:
The Virgin Atlantic A340-600 made an appearance today after months of absence.


It was operating LHR-JFK yesterday and diverted to ATL because of the winter storm. Several DL flights to JFK yesterday overflew and came down to ATL. LH 400, an A380, also diverted from JFK to ATL. I hope some can post a pic!

I guess not a huge surprise Virgin came down here given their affiliation with Delta and all. The Lufthansa A380 is very surprising though. You’d figure a Star Alliance base or at least somewhere where they have more presence. Then again what good is a new A380 gate if you don’t use it, right? :biggrin:



My question is how did it get gate space on such short notice when others couldn't :roll:
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:02 pm

DLvsWN wrote:
2017 was a pretty good year. Aeromexico and Jetblue adds were significant. There's a lot more competition to major domestic markets than there was 3 or so years ago.

I really wish someone would come in and bust up the Skyteam near-monopoly TATL. For Western Europe you have two frequencies per day of non-Skyteam airlines, about to fall below 2 with LH scaling back.

Most likely international adds this year?

My quick list:

WestJet
COPA
Avianca
Norwegian
WOW
Icelandair
Volaris
Interjet
More Aeromexico adds?
Delta - Puebla, Guayaquil, Tuxtla Gutierrez, YVR year round, Santiago DR


I would add Delta bringing Atlanta to Tel Aviv back. Not only as a business traveler route, but it’s a huge religious tourist route.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:32 pm

There’s still IST as well...
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:27 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
flyaa757 wrote:

Not sure I agree with the term “outsource.” With the exception of GDL, all previous flying to these cities was on DLX. And GDL has fluctuated betweeen 1-2x to ATL for quite some time. They tried GDLLAX, but that was never going to work against Volaris. Plus, DL picked up some SLC and LAX flying.

I didn't know Volaris was around when Delta bought western.

and some of the other flying has seen mainline off and on at least. ie SLC-GDL and IIRC LAX-BJX and/or ATL-BJX.

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Yeah, outsource isnt the right term. Thats just how JV's work.

taking mainline flying to lower cost Mexican carriers isn't outsourcing?
wat?


Its about who has the right plane for the route and what the availability is. DL, for example, tried and failed at ATL-QRO. Now AM is going to give it a shot because they have the right equipment.

Not to mention, there is almost no local market to places like QRO and MID. If it werent for the JV, those routes have a near zero chance of sustainability.

Not talking about routes like QRO or MID. I am talking about routes Delta flew with aircraft like the 738 that AM replaced with airplanes like the 738. Example, LAX-GDL.

Also I am willing to place a bet we don't magically see Delta moving into AM's E90 routes with the CS (a lower cost airplane). Want to make the bet?

klm617 wrote:
N776AU wrote:
Oilman wrote:

It was operating LHR-JFK yesterday and diverted to ATL because of the winter storm. Several DL flights to JFK yesterday overflew and came down to ATL. LH 400, an A380, also diverted from JFK to ATL. I hope some can post a pic!

I guess not a huge surprise Virgin came down here given their affiliation with Delta and all. The Lufthansa A380 is very surprising though. You’d figure a Star Alliance base or at least somewhere where they have more presence. Then again what good is a new A380 gate if you don’t use it, right? :biggrin:



My question is how did it get gate space on such short notice when others couldn't :roll:

Its almost like ATL got a second A380 gate since the QR situation

oh wait that is exactly what happened. Its a little easier to move things around now because the E gate is no longer the only option. Also it is the winter season and Delta doesn't have a need for as many international gates.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:30 am

Atlwarrior wrote:
DLvsWN wrote:
2017 was a pretty good year. Aeromexico and Jetblue adds were significant. There's a lot more competition to major domestic markets than there was 3 or so years ago.

I really wish someone would come in and bust up the Skyteam near-monopoly TATL. For Western Europe you have two frequencies per day of non-Skyteam airlines, about to fall below 2 with LH scaling back.

Most likely international adds this year?

My quick list:

WestJet
COPA
Avianca
Norwegian
WOW
Icelandair
Volaris
Interjet
More Aeromexico adds?
Delta - Puebla, Guayaquil, Tuxtla Gutierrez, YVR year round, Santiago DR


I would add Delta bringing Atlanta to Tel Aviv back. Not only as a business traveler route, but it’s a huge religious tourist route.

Sorry forgot to add this one.

IMO we will see JFK-TLV getting extra frequency to TLV before ATL-TLV comes back unfortunately. Delta can add extra flights with something like a 767 from JFK where ATL-TLV is going to require 777s and A350s. My guess is Delta has bigger fish to fry with the limited frames in those fleets.
 
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:48 pm

How is it that two airlines, Southern and Ultimate Air serve Dekalb-Peachtree when I thought all scheduled airlines serving the ATL proper was suppose to only fly into Hartsfield?
 
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:46 pm

I been meaning to ask this a while back, does anyone know how many gates United, American, Jetblue, and Alaska have? I know that United is in Concourse T, American uses T and D, Jetblue I believe is D and that goes for Alaska as well.
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Re: Atlanta air service discussion - 2018

Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:56 pm

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How is it that two airlines, Southern and Ultimate Air serve Dekalb-Peachtree when I thought all scheduled airlines serving the ATL proper was suppose to only fly into Hartsfield?

PDK is also a proper airport with scheduled flights but Ultimate and southern aren't Commercial airlines more like charter airlines but you share the plane. Also people much rather fly into PDK then ATL. Its a lot more easy to get to Buckhead and Atlanta.
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:57 pm

Narfish641 wrote:
I been meaning to ask this a while back, does anyone know how many gates United, American, Jetblue, and Alaska have? I know that United is in Concourse T, American uses T and D, Jetblue I believe is D and that goes for Alaska as well.

Not sure on the others, but I think United has 3. They have T13, 14, and 15.
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