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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:59 pm

GoHokies wrote:
The problem is they are only scheduled to receive 16 planes in 2018 and 45 planes in 2019

2018
16 737 Max 8

2019
20 737 Max 8
25 A321neo

Those 61 deliveries do not offset the 45 MD-80s and 20 E-190s that AA has said will be removed from the fleet by 2019.


IIRC correctly from this forum, the improved dispatch rate of the new planes over the MD-80 means 1 737 is essentially replacing 1.5 MD-80. If they can make it through the summer season, then it seems safe to assume they will be fine for 2018.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:38 am

osupoke07 wrote:
GoHokies wrote:
The problem is they are only scheduled to receive 16 planes in 2018 and 45 planes in 2019

2018
16 737 Max 8

2019
20 737 Max 8
25 A321neo

Those 61 deliveries do not offset the 45 MD-80s and 20 E-190s that AA has said will be removed from the fleet by 2019.


IIRC correctly from this forum, the improved dispatch rate of the new planes over the MD-80 means 1 737 is essentially replacing 1.5 MD-80. If they can make it through the summer season, then it seems safe to assume they will be fine for 2018.


Its around 1 to 1.2 or so once you factor in increased dispatch reliability and overall increase in seating. As the fleet gets smaller, the ratio will increase because the number of spares will remain pretty flat when compared with the number of active planes.

That being said, I would expect AA to move up some of some of the Max 8 deliveries. I'd expect a total of 20 in 18 and probably closer to 30 in 2019 to account for the need for narrowbody aircraft. AA also had one of the lowest utilization rates prior to the merger with US.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:45 am

I just want to know when the jurassic 763 will e replaced on CNF-MIA, those planes are terrible
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:02 am

Can anyone tell me anything about the US 757 fleet flying PHX-Hawaii? Such as Wi-Fi, streaming, power, etc? Other than 12F, are they bare bones like the GO 757s that used to ply the routes? AA website shows Wi-Fi and power, but I've learned in the past, the site is unreliable in that department. I'm going to be flying frequently to HNL this summer and the avgeek in me wants to ride as many 757s as I can, but with having a lie flat 772 from DFW, I'd like to at least have power, since I can download whatever from Amazon or Netflix. Thanks in advance.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:55 am

GoHokies wrote:
The 2018 fleet plan is going to be very interesting. If my calculations are correct, then AA is going to face a fleet crunch in 2018 that will carry over into 2019 as well.

By 2019, they are scheduled to retire the following mainline narrow body aircraft

MD-80 - 45 planes
E-190 - 20 planes

The problem is they are only scheduled to receive 16 planes in 2018 and 45 planes in 2019

2018
16 737 Max 8

2019
20 737 Max 8
25 A321neo

Those 61 deliveries do not offset the 45 MD-80s and 20 E-190s that AA has said will be removed from the fleet by 2019.

On the wide body side they have said that they plan on retiring all 9 A330-300 by 2019, but they only have 8 or 9 more 787-9s to be delivered in the next two years which doesn’t leave any room to retire 767-300ERs.

The fleet crunch on the regional side is arguably even worse. They will lose the remaining ~30 or so Air Wisconsin CRJ2s by Feb 2018 along with 11 DH8-300s by July.

They have 38 E-140s that can be re-activated and they are supposed to get 8 CRJ7s that will be flown by ExpressJet, but I personally think it is doubtful that Envoy can hire enough pilots to staff the 38 E-140s and I think ExpressJet staffing the existing 12 CRJ7s much less 8 additional ones is doubtful. AA is supposed to get a few E-175s toward the end of the year with a few more deliveries in 2019.

What is the life span of CRJ2s and E-145s? There hasn’t been a 50 seater delivered in over a decade and at some point these high cycle planes are going to wear out.



You might want to add the 6 787-9's that AA has coming in 2018.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:45 am

I think there is another important component to why AA's fleet seems to be decreasing in size over 2018. With 140 seat MD80s headed out and 172 seat 738 Max coming in, that equates to a pretty significant capacity increase if AA is not careful. That could potentially spook investors, so AA has to maintain a very disciplined amount of overall capacity. I would imagine that the math, when it is all figured out, will equal a 1-2% capacity increase. Remember, there are plans to add seats to both A321s and 738s, which should start in 2018. Between that, the new deliveries, and a decrease in the slack/improved aircraft utilization, the numbers do not seem shocking or even surprising.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:59 am

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I just want to know when the jurassic 763 will e replaced on CNF-MIA, those planes are terrible


It will probably be one of the last intercontinental routes for the 767 (along with MIA-GYE/LIM/MVD) because the lack of any meaningful competion means that AA doesn’t need to deploy their best product.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:27 am

atcsundevil wrote:
Since the repaint has been completed, the thread title has been updated to "AA Fleet Updates".

✈️ atcsundevil


There is at least one B738 in the old livery still, I flew it maybe 10 days ago RSW-DFW. I think it was N921AN. Was kind of nice seeing the old livery again, even though I do like the new one. It really shines on a few aircraft.

I also flew a few Mesa CR9s while I was back home DFW-EVV-DFW and a majority of them seemed "tired", at least the interiors. A few of the seatback pockets were ripped and dangling and overall it seemed to have a "cheap" feel to them. Was a good series of flights nonetheless and it was better than the 135s/140s that dominated the AA flying out of EVV,
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:35 am

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There is at least one B738 in the old livery still, I flew it maybe 10 days ago RSW-DFW. I think it was N921AN. Was kind of nice seeing the old livery again, even though I do like the new one. It really shines on a few aircraft.

That's a legacy livery, just like the Piedmont and Allegheny liveries. My understanding is that all aircraft that will be repainted have been repainted.
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:47 pm

So my understanding is at this point, only the MD-80s and one 738, N921NN, are still wearing the clAAssic livery (1968-2013). The 757s and 767s have all been repainted.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:03 pm

Sancho99504 wrote:
Can anyone tell me anything about the US 757 fleet flying PHX-Hawaii? Such as Wi-Fi, streaming, power, etc? Other than 12F, are they bare bones like the GO 757s that used to ply the routes? AA website shows Wi-Fi and power, but I've learned in the past, the site is unreliable in that department. I'm going to be flying frequently to HNL this summer and the avgeek in me wants to ride as many 757s as I can, but with having a lie flat 772 from DFW, I'd like to at least have power, since I can download whatever from Amazon or Netflix. Thanks in advance.


I just flew a roundtrip. The only 757s it uses are the 10 ex-US airplanes that remain, so no power or (satellite) WiFi. Movie on aisle screens. The AA website describes the new Main Cabin Extra configuration, and none of these airplanes have that.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:24 pm

MO11 wrote:
Sancho99504 wrote:
Can anyone tell me anything about the US 757 fleet flying PHX-Hawaii? Such as Wi-Fi, streaming, power, etc? Other than 12F, are they bare bones like the GO 757s that used to ply the routes? AA website shows Wi-Fi and power, but I've learned in the past, the site is unreliable in that department. I'm going to be flying frequently to HNL this summer and the avgeek in me wants to ride as many 757s as I can, but with having a lie flat 772 from DFW, I'd like to at least have power, since I can download whatever from Amazon or Netflix. Thanks in advance.


I just flew a roundtrip. The only 757s it uses are the 10 ex-US airplanes that remain, so no power or (satellite) WiFi. Movie on aisle screens. The AA website describes the new Main Cabin Extra configuration, and none of these airplanes have that.


That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:29 pm

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I also think a few MD-80s will make it to the paint shop.

Give up the pipe dream, all mainline planes are painted.

There will be NO MD80s painted at all.
 
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:48 pm

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UA444 wrote:
I also think a few MD-80s will make it to the paint shop.

Give up the pipe dream, all mainline planes are painted.

There will be NO MD80s painted at all.


Thank God....... I'll enjoy the mini fleet of AA retro jets while we can :)
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:38 pm

LPSHobby wrote:
I just want to know when the jurassic 763 will e replaced on CNF-MIA, those planes are terrible


Probably will take a while. But those are still not as bad as the awful 752s flying BSB-MIA.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:16 pm

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I don't see what's wrong with keeping a few 767-300ERs in the fleet until the 787-9 are delivered (Dispite the small numbers), quite a few of them are around 13 years of age. So they are still useful.


How early can AA get more 789 delivery slots? Can they use some of the 24x 75Ls to fill in for 763s?

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the 763s to Europe get replaced by 77Es like the DFW-Hawaii flights. PHL-LIS could go back to 75L and even PHL-PRG could do it if stretched. There's some slack in the 75L and A332 fleets with the former being used on Caribbean flights and the latter wasting seats on PHL-CLT half-empty rotations.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:37 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
csturdiv wrote:
There is at least one B738 in the old livery still, I flew it maybe 10 days ago RSW-DFW. I think it was N921AN. Was kind of nice seeing the old livery again, even though I do like the new one. It really shines on a few aircraft.

That's a legacy livery, just like the Piedmont and Allegheny liveries. My understanding is that all aircraft that will be repainted have been repainted.


I saw that hours after I posted that but was too jet lagged yesterday after my 16 1/2 hour flight home on QF8 and then working an 8 hour day after leaving the airport to correct myself.
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:37 pm

And how about downgrading JFK-CDG to the 757 but bringing it back up to 2x daily llike it was before? AA 44/45 and 120/121, both on the 757. That could be a solution if there is no more 763 available to cover the JFK-CDG daily flight. Yes customers may be dissatisfied about the idea of bringing the 757 back but what they might be happy about is doubling the frequency. This will give customers more flexibility.

I mentioned in another post that I would not expect anymore 757 retirement, at least not this year, since all remaining 757s (34 of them) are International 757s which feature the updated C and Y seats.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:38 am

Hi guys,

I'm new to the site.
I have a question about the Legacy AA A319 jets with Sharklets that were recently delivered.
I saw on seatguru and checked the American Airlines site about them. The seating looks like it will be the same for a while. I haven't heard any news if the inseat IFE will be removed or not. Any updates on this?
Also, where does it specifically say that AA will remove the inseat IFE on its narrowbody jets? I understand that there will be capacity and seat increases on existing 737-800 planes and A321 jets, but where did American actually say that the IFE will be completely removed? Is there a link?

This is my first ever post on Airliners.net so forgive me if I missed any details.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:28 am

csturdiv wrote:

I also flew a few Mesa CR9s while I was back home DFW-EVV-DFW and a majority of them seemed "tired", at least the interiors. A few of the seatback pockets were ripped and dangling and overall it seemed to have a "cheap" feel to them. Was a good series of flights nonetheless and it was better than the 135s/140s that dominated the AA flying out of EVV,


That's pretty normal for all of the Mesa CR9s, Mesa does very little upkeep on the aircraft outside of whats needed to keep it airworthy. Also plenty have the legacy US seats that were installed and the seatback pockets were never replaced (even if the seats got new AA branded faux leather).
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:46 am

[/quote]


You might want to add the 6 787-9's that AA has coming in 2018.[/quote]

are those replacing 763s or might there be new routes? they are weak in the Pacific I'm sure they'd like to bolster LAX
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:21 am

Swadian wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:
I don't see what's wrong with keeping a few 767-300ERs in the fleet until the 787-9 are delivered (Dispite the small numbers), quite a few of them are around 13 years of age. So they are still useful.


How early can AA get more 789 delivery slots? Can they use some of the 24x 75Ls to fill in for 763s?

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the 763s to Europe get replaced by 77Es like the DFW-Hawaii flights. PHL-LIS could go back to 75L and even PHL-PRG could do it if stretched. There's some slack in the 75L and A332 fleets with the former being used on Caribbean flights and the latter wasting seats on PHL-CLT half-empty rotations.


I overheard someone saying in the tread that there is 6 more 787-9s on order. I not quite sure when will we will see another 787-9 delivery. If I'm not mistaken I think there was a recent delivery a few weeks ago unless I'm mistaken it for another airline.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:38 am

RunningSpotter wrote:
Hi guys,

I'm new to the site.
I have a question about the Legacy AA A319 jets with Sharklets that were recently delivered.
I saw on seatguru and checked the American Airlines site about them. The seating looks like it will be the same for a while. I haven't heard any news if the inseat IFE will be removed or not. Any updates on this?
Also, where does it specifically say that AA will remove the inseat IFE on its narrowbody jets? I understand that there will be capacity and seat increases on existing 737-800 planes and A321 jets, but where did American actually say that the IFE will be completely removed? Is there a link?

This is my first ever post on Airliners.net so forgive me if I missed any details.

The LAA A319s and the A321Ts are the only narrowbody aircraft retaining their IFE systems. I’ll have to dig around for a public link, as the one I have is for the internal website.
 
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Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:36 pm

Swadian wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:
I don't see what's wrong with keeping a few 767-300ERs in the fleet until the 787-9 are delivered (Dispite the small numbers), quite a few of them are around 13 years of age. So they are still useful.


How early can AA get more 789 delivery slots? Can they use some of the 24x 75Ls to fill in for 763s?

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the 763s to Europe get replaced by 77Es like the DFW-Hawaii flights. PHL-LIS could go back to 75L and even PHL-PRG could do it if stretched. There's some slack in the 75L and A332 fleets with the former being used on Caribbean flights and the latter wasting seats on PHL-CLT half-empty rotations.

There really isn't much slack in the 332 fleet in the summer. There are ~2 332 spares for the current S18 schedule.

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And how about downgrading JFK-CDG to the 757 but bringing it back up to 2x daily llike it was before? AA 44/45 and 120/121, both on the 757. That could be a solution if there is no more 763 available to cover the JFK-CDG daily flight. Yes customers may be dissatisfied about the idea of bringing the 757 back but what they might be happy about is doubling the frequency. This will give customers more flexibility.

I mentioned in another post that I would not expect anymore 757 retirement, at least not this year, since all remaining 757s (34 of them) are International 757s which feature the updated C and Y seats.

We haven't heard anything about the "soon" to be announced 75L transcon service starting in S18. This will utilize several of these "spare" 75L frames. The 75L are terrible for Europe-US flights in the winter, save for the UK and Ireland. They are diverted on a regular basis for fuel stops. The 75L on AMS-PHL has been diverted 6 times in roughly the past month.
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:08 am

usairways85 wrote:

American 767 wrote:
And how about downgrading JFK-CDG to the 757 but bringing it back up to 2x daily llike it was before? AA 44/45 and 120/121, both on the 757. That could be a solution if there is no more 763 available to cover the JFK-CDG daily flight. Yes customers may be dissatisfied about the idea of bringing the 757 back but what they might be happy about is doubling the frequency. This will give customers more flexibility.

I mentioned in another post that I would not expect anymore 757 retirement, at least not this year, since all remaining 757s (34 of them) are International 757s which feature the updated C and Y seats.

We haven't heard anything about the "soon" to be announced 75L transcon service starting in S18. This will utilize several of these "spare" 75L frames. The 75L are terrible for Europe-US flights in the winter, save for the UK and Ireland. They are diverted on a regular basis for fuel stops. The 75L on AMS-PHL has been diverted 6 times in roughly the past month.


I did a check and found some occasional 75L SFO-MIA flights in the spring but only 1x daily and nothing else. I believe that 75L transcon service may have only been a rumor as a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA. Slight correction that 24x are 75L and 10x are 75H. Since both 75L and 763 don't have IFE, the extra frequency would presumably be more valuable.
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:27 am

MO11 wrote:
I just flew a roundtrip. The only 757s it uses are the 10 ex-US airplanes that remain, so no power or (satellite) WiFi. Movie on aisle screens. The AA website describes the new Main Cabin Extra configuration, and none of these airplanes have that.


I believe all of the LUS 757s have been retrofitted with Main Cabin Extra in the first few rows of the main cabin.

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The LAA A319s and the A321Ts are the only narrowbody aircraft retaining their IFE systems. I’ll have to dig around for a public link, as the one I have is for the internal website.


Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:32 am

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Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?


Most likely because the LAA A321s seat 181 and the LUS A321s seat 187, and they want to move to 192 seats. So, they need to reconfigure all of them. Same with the 738. They now seat 160, and then will seat 172. Whereas both the LAA and LUS A319s seat 128, and that will not change. So, it would be a waste of money to rip everything out when you are not adding any capacity.
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:34 am

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a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA


Unfortunately, that's only for a few weeks in the Spring. Then it's back to those miserable 32Bs.
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:24 pm

deltaffindfw wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?


Most likely because the LAA A321s seat 181 and the LUS A321s seat 187, and they want to move to 192 seats. So, they need to reconfigure all of them. Same with the 738. They now seat 160, and then will seat 172. Whereas both the LAA and LUS A319s seat 128, and that will not change. So, it would be a waste of money to rip everything out when you are not adding any capacity.


They're going to 192 in the A321?! I thought it was 190, then again, DL has 192 in the A321.

N62NA wrote:
Swadian wrote:
a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA


Unfortunately, that's only for a few weeks in the Spring. Then it's back to those miserable 32Bs.


It can't be that bad, 32Bs are still better than 7M8s! Does AA even have any narrowbody "better" than the 32B? I guess one could argue 75L or A321T (also listed as 32B on timetable) but would only be in F/J.
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:41 pm

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I also think a few MD-80s will make it to the paint shop.



Sorry Friend, not happening..even if they kept a dozen to 2020..not going to happen.
 
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:06 pm

Swadian wrote:
I did a check and found some occasional 75L SFO-MIA flights in the spring but only 1x daily and nothing else. I believe that 75L transcon service may have only been a rumor as a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA. Slight correction that 24x are 75L and 10x are 75H. Since both 75L and 763 don't have IFE, the extra frequency would presumably be more valuable.


I believe the rumor was that the transcon 75L flying would start in June. Those schedules aren't finalized yet (and probably won't be for another month or two), so it's still definitely a possibility.
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Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:35 pm

FSDan wrote:
Swadian wrote:
I did a check and found some occasional 75L SFO-MIA flights in the spring but only 1x daily and nothing else. I believe that 75L transcon service may have only been a rumor as a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA. Slight correction that 24x are 75L and 10x are 75H. Since both 75L and 763 don't have IFE, the extra frequency would presumably be more valuable.


I believe the rumor was that the transcon 75L flying would start in June. Those schedules aren't finalized yet (and probably won't be for another month or two), so it's still definitely a possibility.


Its another month before the prelim June schedule comes out, even then it won't be loaded into RES for another couple weeks after that. However I'm hearing there will be a lot of changes in the AA schedule for June forward across the entire system so we shall see what ends up happening.
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:50 pm

deltaffindfw wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?


Most likely because the LAA A321s seat 181 and the LUS A321s seat 187, and they want to move to 192 seats. So, they need to reconfigure all of them. Same with the 738. They now seat 160, and then will seat 172. Whereas both the LAA and LUS A319s seat 128, and that will not change. So, it would be a waste of money to rip everything out when you are not adding any capacity.

Not really IIRC. The L-AA 319s were to be moved to long routes, from Miami to South America (think Bogotá Manaus, And Medellín) as well as some ski destinations. They were to be a little more premium than your standard 319 to match the route flown.
Although...7M8s will be in Quito now so I wonder how long the previous strategy held.
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:34 pm

FSDan wrote:
Swadian wrote:
I did a check and found some occasional 75L SFO-MIA flights in the spring but only 1x daily and nothing else. I believe that 75L transcon service may have only been a rumor as a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA. Slight correction that 24x are 75L and 10x are 75H. Since both 75L and 763 don't have IFE, the extra frequency would presumably be more valuable.


I believe the rumor was that the transcon 75L flying would start in June. Those schedules aren't finalized yet (and probably won't be for another month or two), so it's still definitely a possibility.


They may be looking to complete FOI first. I wonder if any 75H will make it to transcon flights.
 
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:24 pm

alasizon wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Swadian wrote:
I did a check and found some occasional 75L SFO-MIA flights in the spring but only 1x daily and nothing else. I believe that 75L transcon service may have only been a rumor as a 777 is coming back to LAX-MIA. Slight correction that 24x are 75L and 10x are 75H. Since both 75L and 763 don't have IFE, the extra frequency would presumably be more valuable.


I believe the rumor was that the transcon 75L flying would start in June. Those schedules aren't finalized yet (and probably won't be for another month or two), so it's still definitely a possibility.


Its another month before the prelim June schedule comes out, even then it won't be loaded into RES for another couple weeks after that. However I'm hearing there will be a lot of changes in the AA schedule for June forward across the entire system so we shall see what ends up happening.

Is it possible we could see more metal swaps between L-US and L-AA aircraft in this update than what there currently is? Such as additional L-AA 738s operating out L-US hubs or L-US A321s from L-AA hubs? What about 772s/763s coming to PHL and CLT?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:46 pm

Runway28L wrote:
What about 772s/763s coming to PHL and CLT?


If you look at the April schedules (which appear to be the latest ones that are currently finalized), there are already 7x daily 763 departures from PHL (3x MIA, 1x SJU, 1x LIS, 1x AMS, and 1x ZRH). I assume that will carry over to the summer, with PRG and BUD being added as well. It's possible there will be fewer rotations between PHL and MIA at that point, but I expect at least one to remain.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:39 am

I was at PHL for a few hours yesterday and today. Some cross fleeting would be nice to see. Right now the only cross fleeting is from Republic with the 175s. A few of the -YX planes cycle through PHL now bringing some change to the -HQ ones.

Piedmont 145s are abundant as the turboprop has disappeared and the Air Wisconsin flying has decreased to an extent as well.

For mainline at PHL: L-US 321s galore. A couple of 319s and 320s sprinkled in. A single L-US 757 from PHX, L-US 332s for transatlantic with the LHR flight being a 333. I think there was a single L-AA aircraft on final from MIA when I left just after 4PM today.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:33 am

It looks like the number of 767 departures out of JFK is now steadily decreasing. I think that at this point it is safe to say that there are now less than ten 767 departures a day at JFK and this will continue to decrease as the retirement continues. Where do they fly out of JFK with the 767? CDG, MAD and MIA. I don't see where else.
Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:38 am

American 767 wrote:
Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.


Didn't B6 hand AA their lunch on these routes? Not sure AA would want to dump that much capacity on a VFR market.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:04 pm

Narfish641 wrote:
Swadian wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:
I don't see what's wrong with keeping a few 767-300ERs in the fleet until the 787-9 are delivered (Dispite the small numbers), quite a few of them are around 13 years of age. So they are still useful.


How early can AA get more 789 delivery slots? Can they use some of the 24x 75Ls to fill in for 763s?

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the 763s to Europe get replaced by 77Es like the DFW-Hawaii flights. PHL-LIS could go back to 75L and even PHL-PRG could do it if stretched. There's some slack in the 75L and A332 fleets with the former being used on Caribbean flights and the latter wasting seats on PHL-CLT half-empty rotations.


I overheard someone saying in the tread that there is 6 more 787-9s on order. I not quite sure when will we will see another 787-9 delivery. If I'm not mistaken I think there was a recent delivery a few weeks ago unless I'm mistaken it for another airline.


The 6 more 787-9's all come this year, 2018. AA has options for around 56 more 787's with Boeing.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:11 pm

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MO11 wrote:
I just flew a roundtrip. The only 757s it uses are the 10 ex-US airplanes that remain, so no power or (satellite) WiFi. Movie on aisle screens. The AA website describes the new Main Cabin Extra configuration, and none of these airplanes have that.


I believe all of the LUS 757s have been retrofitted with Main Cabin Extra in the first few rows of the main cabin.

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The LAA A319s and the A321Ts are the only narrowbody aircraft retaining their IFE systems. I’ll have to dig around for a public link, as the one I have is for the internal website.


Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?


They are removing IFE because Doug Parker and his minions think that is what customers want or it will save them money, oh it is both. They are adding seats to all 737/A321's(except A321T). They can't add seats to the A319 fleet because they are already so packed in you can't move your legs. The post above says the LUS 757's have Main Cabin Extra but I do not think any LUS aircraft have MCE, even after seat refit upgrades. The AA fleet it a mess of different configurations.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:55 pm

USAirKid wrote:
American 767 wrote:
Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.


Didn't B6 hand AA their lunch on these routes? Not sure AA would want to dump that much capacity on a VFR market.


They did. Many of those routes don’t even exist anymore, much less would they get A330s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:50 pm

len90 wrote:
I was at PHL for a few hours yesterday and today. Some cross fleeting would be nice to see. Right now the only cross fleeting is from Republic with the 175s. A few of the -YX planes cycle through PHL now bringing some change to the -HQ ones.

Piedmont 145s are abundant as the turboprop has disappeared and the Air Wisconsin flying has decreased to an extent as well.

For mainline at PHL: L-US 321s galore. A couple of 319s and 320s sprinkled in. A single L-US 757 from PHX, L-US 332s for transatlantic with the LHR flight being a 333. I think there was a single L-AA aircraft on final from MIA when I left just after 4PM today.

I thought PHL had a bit more crossfleeting than what you've observed. I saw L-AA 752s and 738s operating PHL-BOS this summer as well as 738s to PBI, MSP, RDU, and even DEN and LAX.

You are right about the A321s though. They are pretty much 80% of what I see to/from PHL on FR24. Would be nice if some 32Bs came in.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:08 pm

American 767 wrote:
It looks like the number of 767 departures out of JFK is now steadily decreasing. I think that at this point it is safe to say that there are now less than ten 767 departures a day at JFK and this will continue to decrease as the retirement continues. Where do they fly out of JFK with the 767? CDG, MAD and MIA. I don't see where else.
Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.


JFK-MXP is still 763. I agree with others that JFK/MIA-Caribbean are not going to get A332s after B6 took over much of that market. Perhaps we will see A332s out of JFK and MIA on Europe & South America flights after 763 retirement. With few 787s coming in and pending 763 and A333 retirement, AA can't afford to waste widebody capacity on routes that don't need the range.

itchief wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
I just flew a roundtrip. The only 757s it uses are the 10 ex-US airplanes that remain, so no power or (satellite) WiFi. Movie on aisle screens. The AA website describes the new Main Cabin Extra configuration, and none of these airplanes have that.


I believe all of the LUS 757s have been retrofitted with Main Cabin Extra in the first few rows of the main cabin.

AA321T wrote:
The LAA A319s and the A321Ts are the only narrowbody aircraft retaining their IFE systems. I’ll have to dig around for a public link, as the one I have is for the internal website.


Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?


They are removing IFE because Doug Parker and his minions think that is what customers want or it will save them money, oh it is both. They are adding seats to all 737/A321's(except A321T). They can't add seats to the A319 fleet because they are already so packed in you can't move your legs. The post above says the LUS 757's have Main Cabin Extra but I do not think any LUS aircraft have MCE, even after seat refit upgrades. The AA fleet it a mess of different configurations.


It's not as much of a mess as you may think. The 757 fleet is relatively straightforward, mainly because most of them were retired and the 10 remaining LUS 75H aircraft all have 12F/176Y with MCE.

As for A319, they all have the same configuration, just that the LAA ones have PTVs. I agree that their legroom is atrocious - today's MCE feels like an old Greyhound!
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:08 am

Runway28L wrote:
len90 wrote:
I was at PHL for a few hours yesterday and today. Some cross fleeting would be nice to see. Right now the only cross fleeting is from Republic with the 175s. A few of the -YX planes cycle through PHL now bringing some change to the -HQ ones.

Piedmont 145s are abundant as the turboprop has disappeared and the Air Wisconsin flying has decreased to an extent as well.

For mainline at PHL: L-US 321s galore. A couple of 319s and 320s sprinkled in. A single L-US 757 from PHX, L-US 332s for transatlantic with the LHR flight being a 333. I think there was a single L-AA aircraft on final from MIA when I left just after 4PM today.

I thought PHL had a bit more crossfleeting than what you've observed. I saw L-AA 752s and 738s operating PHL-BOS this summer as well as 738s to PBI, MSP, RDU, and even DEN and LAX.

You are right about the A321s though. They are pretty much 80% of what I see to/from PHL on FR24. Would be nice if some 32Bs came in.

The cross fleeting comes and goes. I've seen the 738 on PHL-DEN, LAX, SAN, RDU, BOS, SJU, MSP, BDA at various points, but I do not believe the 738 is on any of them currently. And the 752 likely operated PHL-BOS in between PHL-AMS-PHL. I believe there is currently a PHL-LAS 75L rotation.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:28 am

Runway28L wrote:
len90 wrote:
I was at PHL for a few hours yesterday and today. Some cross fleeting would be nice to see. Right now the only cross fleeting is from Republic with the 175s. A few of the -YX planes cycle through PHL now bringing some change to the -HQ ones.

Piedmont 145s are abundant as the turboprop has disappeared and the Air Wisconsin flying has decreased to an extent as well.

For mainline at PHL: L-US 321s galore. A couple of 319s and 320s sprinkled in. A single L-US 757 from PHX, L-US 332s for transatlantic with the LHR flight being a 333. I think there was a single L-AA aircraft on final from MIA when I left just after 4PM today.

I thought PHL had a bit more crossfleeting than what you've observed. I saw L-AA 752s and 738s operating PHL-BOS this summer as well as 738s to PBI, MSP, RDU, and even DEN and LAX.

You are right about the A321s though. They are pretty much 80% of what I see to/from PHL on FR24. Would be nice if some 32Bs came in.

My experience is based on Thursday 12:15PM-2:30PM and Friday 2PM-4PM which covers a nice chunk of the afternoon.
That shows it varies by the season. There was a 738 I saw on my flightradar from ORD and the 752 was MIA. I've noticed the L-US 319s have been mostly out of CLT. When you think about it that equipment is originating out of legacy AA hubs and then back to that legacy AA hub.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:02 pm

Swadian wrote:
American 767 wrote:
It looks like the number of 767 departures out of JFK is now steadily decreasing. I think that at this point it is safe to say that there are now less than ten 767 departures a day at JFK and this will continue to decrease as the retirement continues. Where do they fly out of JFK with the 767? CDG, MAD and MIA. I don't see where else.
Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.


JFK-MXP is still 763. I agree with others that JFK/MIA-Caribbean are not going to get A332s after B6 took over much of that market. Perhaps we will see A332s out of JFK and MIA on Europe & South America flights after 763 retirement. With few 787s coming in and pending 763 and A333 retirement, AA can't afford to waste widebody capacity on routes that don't need the range.

itchief wrote:
OB1504 wrote:

I believe all of the LUS 757s have been retrofitted with Main Cabin Extra in the first few rows of the main cabin.



Why would they be removing the IFE from the 737-800s and standard A321s but not the A319s?


They are removing IFE because Doug Parker and his minions think that is what customers want or it will save them money, oh it is both. They are adding seats to all 737/A321's(except A321T). They can't add seats to the A319 fleet because they are already so packed in you can't move your legs. The post above says the LUS 757's have Main Cabin Extra but I do not think any LUS aircraft have MCE, even after seat refit upgrades. The AA fleet it a mess of different configurations.


It's not as much of a mess as you may think. The 757 fleet is relatively straightforward, mainly because most of them were retired and the 10 remaining LUS 75H aircraft all have 12F/176Y with MCE.

As for A319, they all have the same configuration, just that the LAA ones have PTVs. I agree that their legroom is atrocious - today's MCE feels like an old Greyhound!

If you think those feel like a Greyhound, try Frontier or Spirit. Two hours hurt on both and I’m not even 6'.

As for more crossfleeting, has Phoenix seen any?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:53 pm

I'd love to see the 32B replace some of the 321s on transcon flights out of PHL such as SFO and LAX. But I don't think AA schedules its fleet that way.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:03 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Swadian wrote:
American 767 wrote:
It looks like the number of 767 departures out of JFK is now steadily decreasing. I think that at this point it is safe to say that there are now less than ten 767 departures a day at JFK and this will continue to decrease as the retirement continues. Where do they fly out of JFK with the 767? CDG, MAD and MIA. I don't see where else.
Speaking of cross fleets between L-AA and L-US fleets and hubs, how about A330s at JFK and MIA? The A332s should do what the A300s used to do back in the 90s and 2000s: based out of JFK and MIA and fly to the Carribean, as well as JFK-MIA multiple times daily as the 767s are leaving progressively.


JFK-MXP is still 763. I agree with others that JFK/MIA-Caribbean are not going to get A332s after B6 took over much of that market. Perhaps we will see A332s out of JFK and MIA on Europe & South America flights after 763 retirement. With few 787s coming in and pending 763 and A333 retirement, AA can't afford to waste widebody capacity on routes that don't need the range.

itchief wrote:

They are removing IFE because Doug Parker and his minions think that is what customers want or it will save them money, oh it is both. They are adding seats to all 737/A321's(except A321T). They can't add seats to the A319 fleet because they are already so packed in you can't move your legs. The post above says the LUS 757's have Main Cabin Extra but I do not think any LUS aircraft have MCE, even after seat refit upgrades. The AA fleet it a mess of different configurations.


It's not as much of a mess as you may think. The 757 fleet is relatively straightforward, mainly because most of them were retired and the 10 remaining LUS 75H aircraft all have 12F/176Y with MCE.

As for A319, they all have the same configuration, just that the LAA ones have PTVs. I agree that their legroom is atrocious - today's MCE feels like an old Greyhound!

If you think those feel like a Greyhound, try Frontier or Spirit. Two hours hurt on both and I’m not even 6'.

As for more crossfleeting, has Phoenix seen any?


In terms of seat pitch, Frontier and Spirit are worse than Greyhound, unless you are in a Big Front Seat. I still fly AA due to AAdvantage.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:37 pm

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