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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:32 am

kaitak wrote:
737max8 wrote:
Thank goodness, hope the A350-1000 to LAX is true. Anything to avoid 10 across 777s


You have to wonder if airlines will begin recognising this - not just those with A350s and 777s (at 10 abreast), but also those with 787s (at nine abreast - which is all but one). If the operate both 777s and A350s on particular routes, won't they start seeing a trend of passengers selecting one type over another, or of discussions on forums/social media, advising people to select one type over another. And that being the case, what does it mean for the 777-9? Sure it will be quieter and maybe a little wider (will they be able to bring cabin altitude down to 787 levels?), but if it's still 10 abreast, won't pax continue to prefer the A350?

I know there are those who say that passengers don't really notice the differences between one plane and another, but I reckon that those choosing airlines on long haul routes do more homework, particularly those willing to pay more than the baseline fare.


No one I know of. With close ties to the Filipino community in my corner of Europe, I know a lot of people travelling with family to the Philippines. They search on the internet for good fares, they might take into account excessive stopover waiting times but not much more than that. If they had a bad experience with an airline, they might avoid that particular airline and tell others about it, but a cramped cabin will be associated with the airline, not the type of aircraft. And even more probably the sardine can style will be seen as something inevitable.

In a few years, when the 350:s are 10 across and the 777x:s are 11 across, we will long for the good old days with a 10 across 777W. :lol:
 
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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:07 pm

Lingon wrote:
kaitak wrote:
737max8 wrote:
Thank goodness, hope the A350-1000 to LAX is true. Anything to avoid 10 across 777s


You have to wonder if airlines will begin recognising this - not just those with A350s and 777s (at 10 abreast), but also those with 787s (at nine abreast - which is all but one). If the operate both 777s and A350s on particular routes, won't they start seeing a trend of passengers selecting one type over another, or of discussions on forums/social media, advising people to select one type over another. And that being the case, what does it mean for the 777-9? Sure it will be quieter and maybe a little wider (will they be able to bring cabin altitude down to 787 levels?), but if it's still 10 abreast, won't pax continue to prefer the A350?

I know there are those who say that passengers don't really notice the differences between one plane and another, but I reckon that those choosing airlines on long haul routes do more homework, particularly those willing to pay more than the baseline fare.


No one I know of. With close ties to the Filipino community in my corner of Europe, I know a lot of people travelling with family to the Philippines. They search on the internet for good fares, they might take into account excessive stopover waiting times but not much more than that. If they had a bad experience with an airline, they might avoid that particular airline and tell others about it, but a cramped cabin will be associated with the airline, not the type of aircraft. And even more probably the sardine can style will be seen as something inevitable.

In a few years, when the 350:s are 10 across and the 777x:s are 11 across, we will long for the good old days with a 10 across 777W. :lol:


Yes, sadly I doubt most customers realize. They don't even know what the aircraft types are.

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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:49 pm

1 or 2 777s will be sold to wilmington
 
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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:50 am

Will this have an impact of the 777 based pilots in LAX?
 
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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:02 pm

Lingon wrote:
kaitak wrote:
737max8 wrote:
Thank goodness, hope the A350-1000 to LAX is true. Anything to avoid 10 across 777s


You have to wonder if airlines will begin recognising this - not just those with A350s and 777s (at 10 abreast), but also those with 787s (at nine abreast - which is all but one). If the operate both 777s and A350s on particular routes, won't they start seeing a trend of passengers selecting one type over another, or of discussions on forums/social media, advising people to select one type over another. And that being the case, what does it mean for the 777-9? Sure it will be quieter and maybe a little wider (will they be able to bring cabin altitude down to 787 levels?), but if it's still 10 abreast, won't pax continue to prefer the A350?

I know there are those who say that passengers don't really notice the differences between one plane and another, but I reckon that those choosing airlines on long haul routes do more homework, particularly those willing to pay more than the baseline fare.


No one I know of. With close ties to the Filipino community in my corner of Europe, I know a lot of people travelling with family to the Philippines. They search on the internet for good fares, they might take into account excessive stopover waiting times but not much more than that. If they had a bad experience with an airline, they might avoid that particular airline and tell others about it, but a cramped cabin will be associated with the airline, not the type of aircraft. And even more probably the sardine can style will be seen as something inevitable.

In a few years, when the 350:s are 10 across and the 777x:s are 11 across, we will long for the good old days with a 10 across 777W. :lol:

You can't have comfort and cheap fares! It simply doesn't make sense and customers have already shown the market that 9-across simply isn't worth the premium.

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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:38 pm

Another A350-1000 route has been added:

Cathay Pacific to fly A350-1000XWB aircraft on Hong Kong – Tel Aviv route from 03OCT18


https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 5073106945
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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:58 am

More reports of HKG-CPT to be announced soon:

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/econ ... -cape-town
 
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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:53 am

Kashmon wrote:
for an airline that historically kept aircraft for 20 years, 10 years is young.
CX flies only to 50 destinations- not 75 - cargo only does not count
oh and they cancelled Dusseldorf and Beijing
look at how many aircraft SQ,QR,EK have on order- CX will lose without scale

also A330's, A320's are also leaving not just 777's

Why an airline that normally keeps its plane for 20 years CAN'T retire planes at 10 years old? Since when did anyone tell you that how businesses operated 20 years ago IS the way it should operate TODAY? Business management 101, if you can't adapt to the market, you die.

Look at how many a/c competitors on order is fine, but you also have to consider how many aircraft they're RETIRING. SQ's retiring a lot of 777s and A330s, EK has started retiring 77Ws as well. Expansions put your financial tight and you never earn money purely from expansion itself, in fact it's the exact opposite that you can burn your cash up pretty quickly with expansions without thorough analysis, exactly what you've done right here. I don't think I need to list the number of airlines that failed due to expansion.

And, since when did CX cancel PEK? Enlighten me with proof. GDS still shows 3x daily from CX for the rest of the year, KA excluded.

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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:45 pm

grjplanes wrote:
More reports of HKG-CPT to be announced soon:

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/econ ... -cape-town

CX is now not selling HKG - CHC tickets for next NW season - perhaps the CHC frame will be used for CPT now, instead?

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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:01 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
And, since when did CX cancel PEK? Enlighten me with proof. GDS still shows 3x daily from CX for the rest of the year, KA excluded.

Michael


I believe it was rumored to be cancelled along with DUS when CX announce BRU, CPH, and DUB. Nothing ever comes from that, though.

On the other hand, if CX "cancelled" PEK it will just be CX transferring more A333 to KA and let KA take over all the flights. I believe CX kept their flights around in the first place b/c they need the additional capacity (i.e. Regional 773) once every so often.
 
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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:38 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
And, since when did CX cancel PEK? Enlighten me with proof. GDS still shows 3x daily from CX for the rest of the year, KA excluded.

Michael


I believe it was rumored to be cancelled along with DUS when CX announce BRU, CPH, and DUB. Nothing ever comes from that, though.

On the other hand, if CX "cancelled" PEK it will just be CX transferring more A333 to KA and let KA take over all the flights. I believe CX kept their flights around in the first place b/c they need the additional capacity (i.e. Regional 773) once every so often.

When CX took over flights, it's more of KA's lacking a/c availability at the time that made them to transfer the flights. KA was short of A333s when they took over the Malaysian routes from CX. This is especially true for the newest CX331/2 (among the three times daily that CX operated).

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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:34 am

eamondzhang wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
And, since when did CX cancel PEK? Enlighten me with proof. GDS still shows 3x daily from CX for the rest of the year, KA excluded.

Michael


I believe it was rumored to be cancelled along with DUS when CX announce BRU, CPH, and DUB. Nothing ever comes from that, though.

On the other hand, if CX "cancelled" PEK it will just be CX transferring more A333 to KA and let KA take over all the flights. I believe CX kept their flights around in the first place b/c they need the additional capacity (i.e. Regional 773) once every so often.

When CX took over flights, it's more of KA's lacking a/c availability at the time that made them to transfer the flights. KA was short of A333s when they took over the Malaysian routes from CX. This is especially true for the newest CX331/2 (among the three times daily that CX operated).

Michael


are there more A330s transitioning from CX to KA, or have the last of them moved over?
 
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:40 am

Obzerva wrote:

are there more A330s transitioning from CX to KA, or have the last of them moved over?

My rumour fields goes more A330s to KA, potentially bringing most of the regional birds over. But remember that's just a rumour, we have to wait and see.

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Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:14 am

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I'm not buying the dine on demand either.


Well, this was explicitly mentioned by the CEO (previous one, not the Hogg) as something they were considering. But I would say, if you are asleep on a longhaul flight during the meal service and wake up later, I've always had the CX crew offer me a meal even in coach. That's kind of 'dine on demand' no?

By the way, when CX gave the routes to KA for Malaysia, at the time it was rumored because of a crew shortage at CX. Transferring the routes freed up CX crew. Makes sense.
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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:44 am

First A350-1000 regional routes have been announced:

Cathay Pacific in this week’s schedule update filed planned regional operation by the new A350-1000XWB aircraft, set to enter service on 01AUG18. First flight on individual regional route, as of 25JAN18, as follows.

Hong Kong – Bangkok 02OCT18
Hong Kong – Manila 01AUG18 (Inaugural is CX907/906)
Hong Kong – Taipei Taoyuan 01AUG18 (First flight on 01AUG18 is CX472/473)


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -aug-2018/
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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:00 am

hz747300 wrote:
Well, this was explicitly mentioned by the CEO (previous one, not the Hogg) as something they were considering. But I would say, if you are asleep on a longhaul flight during the meal service and wake up later, I've always had the CX crew offer me a meal even in coach.


First class has been dine on demand for ages, I think they did some trials for dine on demand in business last year. Don’t remember being on any flight I operated.

The rumour on CX secrets of buy your meals onboard has be quashed by the company.
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:49 pm

zeke wrote:
hz747300 wrote:
Well, this was explicitly mentioned by the CEO (previous one, not the Hogg) as something they were considering. But I would say, if you are asleep on a longhaul flight during the meal service and wake up later, I've always had the CX crew offer me a meal even in coach.


First class has been dine on demand for ages, I think they did some trials for dine on demand in business last year. Don’t remember being on any flight I operated.

The rumour on CX secrets of buy your meals onboard has be quashed by the company.


I don't know if I should be pleased, or insulted, but often times in business class once everyone has been served, they'll offer me a second main course (I suppose because otherwise it would go to waste).... I'm sure it comes from a good place. And, I should add that I am on the tubby side.
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Re: Additional CX A350-1000 routes: LAX and EWR, plus large A350-900 expansion

Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:34 pm

CX plans to add A350-1000 on SYD-HKG by the end of the year. CX110/111 currently operated by A333 will be upgraded to A350-1000. All additional routes to Australia will be see upgraded to A350-900, A350-1000 and 77W by 2020

https://www.ausbt.com.au/cathay-pacific ... ource=hero
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Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:55 pm

Is the first delivery still planned for April, if the EIS is in August?
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