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DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:25 pm

The last Delta 747-400 (N674US) made it's final flight from Atlanta to Marana today, ending an era in US mainline aviation history.

One thing I did not know was that a Delta FA and pilot, who met on board a 747 twenty years ago, were married aboard this final flight today.

https://blog.wandr.me/2018/01/delta-747-final-flight/
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:54 pm

Sad to see the 744's gone but Kudos to Delta for saving the 1st 744 frame and puting it in their museum :)
 
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Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:56 pm

One would normally think this is a sad occasion. But the flip side is in this industry when aviation accidents get more attention than any other industry. The fact that by far the majority of aircraft deliver their precious human passengers day in and day out, year in and year out, in all of types of weather and thousands of cycles. To retire after 20-30 years of service, parked in a desert is an incredible feat of technology. Think about that Anetters.

Yes, think about that. The aircraft will in time be recycled and as avgeeks it hurts seeing an aircraft being parted out. But the aircraft did its job and that is a testament to the manufacturers that make them, the government regulations and agencies that safely direct them in the air and the crew that work on them.

The same came be said for every airliner sitting in the boneyard.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:02 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
Sad to see the 744's gone but Kudos to Delta for saving the 1st 744 frame and puting it in their museum :)


I am really looking forward to visiting it, I've heard the 744 exhibit is really well done!
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:04 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
Sad to see the 744's gone but Kudos to Delta for saving the 1st 744 frame and puting it in their museum :)

Vouch this, although IMO, it should have been repainted in the old NW bowling shoe livery.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:20 pm

surfpunk wrote:
Vouch this, although IMO, it should have been repainted in the old NW bowling shoe livery.


As should their DC-9-50 N675MC.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:45 pm

william wrote:
One would normally think this is a sad occasion. But the flip side is in this industry when aviation accidents get more attention than any other industry. The fact that by far the majority of aircraft deliver their precious human passengers day in and day out, year in and year out, in all of types of weather and thousands of cycles. To retire after 20-30 years of service, parked in a desert is an incredible feat of technology. Think about that Anetters.

Yes, think about that. The aircraft will in time be recycled and as avgeeks it hurts seeing an aircraft being parted out. But the aircraft did its job and that is a testament to the manufacturers that make them, the government regulations and agencies that safely direct them in the air and the crew that work on them.

The same came be said for every airliner sitting in the boneyard.



Well said William. To end up in one piece after a long service life is a victory, the best of various possible outcomes.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:54 pm

Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:09 am

I am hearing that a couple got married on the flight.....Wonder how that works.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:33 pm

Here are two videos of the final flight of ship 6314 from ATL to Marana.

http://news.delta.com/video-delta-opera ... flight-747

https://www.azcentral.com/videos/travel ... 109135522/
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:52 pm

Sad day but its surprising the 747 has been around almost 50 years. The 747-8 should be around until 2030 so we will still be able to fly a her, LH First Class.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:53 pm

Delta never really had " a real love" for the 747

- Only 5 "real Delta " 747-100 aircraft were operated between 1970-1977
- All other 747's (2x 747-200B, 8x -200F and 19x 747-400) were obtained by the merger with NWA in October 2008.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:18 pm

747classic wrote:
Delta never really had " a real love" for the 747

- Only 5 "real Delta " 747-100 aircraft were operated between 1970-1977
- All other 747's (2x 747-200B, 8x -200F and 19x 747-400) were obtained by the merger with NWA in October 2008.


A little correction... NW had 16 747-400 , not 19. NW 747 classics never operated on Delta colors nor DL air certificate . -200B were used on charter ops.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:40 pm

william wrote:
One would normally think this is a sad occasion. But the flip side is in this industry when aviation accidents get more attention than any other industry. The fact that by far the majority of aircraft deliver their precious human passengers day in and day out, year in and year out, in all of types of weather and thousands of cycles. To retire after 20-30 years of service, parked in a desert is an incredible feat of technology. Think about that Anetters.

Yes, think about that. The aircraft will in time be recycled and as avgeeks it hurts seeing an aircraft being parted out. But the aircraft did its job and that is a testament to the manufacturers that make them, the government regulations and agencies that safely direct them in the air and the crew that work on them.

The same came be said for every airliner sitting in the boneyard.


Good post. We must move on--the 747 is not in danger of being forgotten.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:51 pm

Yep and to celebrate the 28-29 years of B744 service at NW / DL. That is general lifecycle of a fleet of that era. Now it would have been sad to have seen them go and there was some real risk of that in the 2005-2009 timeframe and a bit of uncertainty about the longevity of the NW B744 fleet in the bankruptcy, merger, and economic downturn era. We were fortunete to see DL invest in the B744 fleet back in 2009/2010 to keep them around for another cycle to bring us to where we are now.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:38 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
surfpunk wrote:
Vouch this, although IMO, it should have been repainted in the old NW bowling shoe livery.


As should their DC-9-50 N675MC.


I don't think the red would fare too well in the long term Atlanta sun.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:48 pm

surfpunk wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Sad to see the 744's gone but Kudos to Delta for saving the 1st 744 frame and puting it in their museum :)

Vouch this, although IMO, it should have been repainted in the old NW bowling shoe livery.


Of what possible value would that be to Delta?
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:50 pm

United_fan wrote:
tjwgrr wrote:
surfpunk wrote:
Vouch this, although IMO, it should have been repainted in the old NW bowling shoe livery.


As should their DC-9-50 N675MC.


I don't think the red would fare too well in the long term Atlanta sun.


Seemed to do alright spending all those years getting beat on in the flight levels.
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:36 pm

I recall quite clearly that day in 1969 which I first saw her lift off from Paine Field. The building was not yet fully completed even, yet she flew on that cold February day. It was a tribute to all who worked on her to make this happen and, as she evolved, she indeed became the Queen of the Skies and, while I have little to support this, is likely to be on the only aircraft that the "man in the street" can identify with any degree of accuracy. Over the years, I flew her often as I was extremely fortunate to have a career that allowed me to travel. I flew on -100's, -200's, the wonderful SP, the -300, -400, and finally the -8. I somehow missed the SR (as I think the high density versions were called). She's still out there, working away, and will be for some time to come. The Queen may be old, but she's still the Queen and still a tribute to those that built her, those that operated her, and the industry as a whole. Long LIve the Queen.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:07 pm

CATIIIevery5yrs wrote:
United_fan wrote:
tjwgrr wrote:

As should their DC-9-50 N675MC.


I don't think the red would fare too well in the long term Atlanta sun.


Seemed to do alright spending all those years getting beat on in the flight levels.


Yes,but to repaint the 747 where it is now in the future isn't as easy as a plane in service is.It can't be rolled into a paint booth.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:37 pm

surfpunk wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Sad to see the 744's gone but Kudos to Delta for saving the 1st 744 frame and puting it in their museum :)

Vouch this, although IMO, it should have been repainted in the old NW bowling shoe livery.


Did it not enter service in the previous 'thermometer' livery though ?
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:40 pm

JannEejit wrote:
surfpunk wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Sad to see the 744's gone but Kudos to Delta for saving the 1st 744 frame and puting it in their museum :)

Vouch this, although IMO, it should have been repainted in the old NW bowling shoe livery.


Did it not enter service in the previous 'thermometer' livery though ?

The prototype never wore the thermometer scheme, it got the bowling shoe because it was delivered later than the first few (3ish?) that did get the thermometer.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:55 pm

SteelChair wrote:
surfpunk wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Sad to see the 744's gone but Kudos to Delta for saving the 1st 744 frame and puting it in their museum :)

Vouch this, although IMO, it should have been repainted in the old NW bowling shoe livery.


Of what possible value would that be to Delta?

Hat tip to their heritage (and the airline that originally ordered the AC to begin with)?
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:29 pm

I do find it a bit ironic that the airline who shunned the 747 is making such a big deal about its retirement. Now had they done this for the L1011 it would make more sense.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:09 pm

This might be a little off topic but when did ANet remove the 747 image from the top banner?
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:09 am

I daresay that 50 billion dollar a year businesses don't do hat tips when their brand is involved.

And Delta never shunned the 747, it just didn't have the route authorities to support 747s until the NWA merger/acquisition. By that time, the sun was setting on the 747 and the NRT hub.. I agree than an L1011 would be nuch more reflective of Deltas Delta's history.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:48 am

mikeinatlanta wrote:
I do find it a bit ironic that the airline who shunned the 747 is making such a big deal about its retirement. Now had they done this for the L1011 it would make more sense.


Every other airline that didn't have a very large international route network either got rid of their 747's or never ordered them you can't really say Delta shunned the 747 they bought five of them and operated them longer than the other domestics that ordered them AA, CO, or NA. Their really wasn't a need for the 747 for airlines that operated a domestic based network.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:50 am

surfpunk wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Sad to see the 744's gone but Kudos to Delta for saving the 1st 744 frame and puting it in their museum :)

Vouch this, although IMO, it should have been repainted in the old NW bowling shoe livery.



I think it should have been painted in the original Delta widget livery on one side and the current Delta livery on the other.
the truth does matter, guys. too bad it's often quite subjective. the truth is beyond the mere facts and figures. it's beyond good and bad, right and wrong...
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:12 am

panamair wrote:
Here are two videos of the final flight of ship 6314 from ATL to Marana.

http://news.delta.com/video-delta-opera ... flight-747

https://www.azcentral.com/videos/travel ... 109135522/



I have to say that was a perfect little video send off for the queen =-(
Finally to rest with her sisters in peace
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:46 am

panamair wrote:
Here are two videos of the final flight of ship 6314 from ATL to Marana.

http://news.delta.com/video-delta-opera ... flight-747

https://www.azcentral.com/videos/travel ... 109135522/


Very Classy Delta.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:51 am

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I daresay that 50 billion dollar a year businesses don't do hat tips when their brand is involved.

Explain AA's heritage liveries, then.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:10 am

surfpunk wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
I daresay that 50 billion dollar a year businesses don't do hat tips when their brand is involved.

Explain AA's heritage liveries, then.


Less brand focused management or just a mistake by management? Who runs the better airline right now in terms of profitability, balance sheet, customer complaints, on time statistics, and completion factor? I wouldn't necessarily hold AA up as an example to be followed.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:36 am

klm617 wrote:
mikeinatlanta wrote:
I do find it a bit ironic that the airline who shunned the 747 is making such a big deal about its retirement. Now had they done this for the L1011 it would make more sense.


Every other airline that didn't have a very large international route network either got rid of their 747's or never ordered them you can't really say Delta shunned the 747 they bought five of them and operated them longer than the other domestics that ordered them AA, CO, or NA. Their really wasn't a need for the 747 for airlines that operated a domestic based network.

National Airlines had two 747-135s that it flew between Miami and London. However a pilot strike over pilot salaries caused National to ground them and sell them to Northwest Airlines. :old:
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:48 am

SteelChair wrote:
surfpunk wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
I daresay that 50 billion dollar a year businesses don't do hat tips when their brand is involved.

Explain AA's heritage liveries, then.


Less brand focused management or just a mistake by management? Who runs the better airline right now in terms of profitability, balance sheet, customer complaints, on time statistics, and completion factor? I wouldn't necessarily hold AA up as an example to be followed.


I tend to stay out of the fray on here but, your post is ridiculous and uneducated.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:05 am

nutsaboutplanes wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
surfpunk wrote:
Explain AA's heritage liveries, then.


Less brand focused management or just a mistake by management? Who runs the better airline right now in terms of profitability, balance sheet, customer complaints, on time statistics, and completion factor? I wouldn't necessarily hold AA up as an example to be followed.


I tend to stay out of the fray on here but, your post is ridiculous and uneducated.


Perhaps you should have stayed out of this thread....your post adds nothing and is a persinal attack.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:04 pm

Landing in MZJ, there’s also the final takeoff and flyover on the same channel.

https://youtu.be/ExZ4mjbDQhQ
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:44 pm

One of the news choppers from PHX went down and caught some pretty cool video. Looks like they did about a 30 ft flyover of the runway.
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:54 am

SteelChair wrote:
nutsaboutplanes wrote:
SteelChair wrote:

Less brand focused management or just a mistake by management? Who runs the better airline right now in terms of profitability, balance sheet, customer complaints, on time statistics, and completion factor? I wouldn't necessarily hold AA up as an example to be followed.


I tend to stay out of the fray on here but, your post is ridiculous and uneducated.


Perhaps you should have stayed out of this thread....your post adds nothing and is a persinal attack.


You, in effect said that because Delta performs better operationally and financially, you can’t look at other companies as examples in a completely unrelated space ie herritage aircraft liveries....that IS ridiculous and uneducated. Delta is a good airline and they do a great deal very, very well but they also seem culturally sterile. I think that they could take page from AA here.

Airlines that choose not to whitewash their history and assimilate everyone into a sterile culture do so out of a respect for the origin of their employee base...it’s not for the customers or people on Internet forums, it is for the employees. If you have ever seen employees rush to take a picture of a special livery when it visits their city or the excitement when multiple heritage livery aircraft are parked next to each other at a terminal, you might better understand why a company would choose to do this.

Delta also does well operationally because they choose to buy block and aggressively spare their network, AA chooses not to add block and doesn’t spare the fleet as aggressively....as a result they have worse block performance than their competitors.They also choose to do this as they have determined that a few points of D0 or A14 are not worth the massive financial investment. From a balance sheet perspective, AA chose wholesale fleet replacement while delta chose to maintain an older fleet and pay down debt, clearly two different strategies but AA’s debt peaked in 2017 and will now diminish by billions of dollars per year moving forward while flying the youngest fleet of the legacies for years to come.

AA also now has the best premium lounges hands down with Flagship dining, a product that DL and United can’t currently touch and they are the only airline in the US to maintain a global first class. They will also be the first airline to have premium economy rolled out across the entire 777, 787 and A330 fleets (767 won’t get PE). So back to the original point, you can look at airlines and see that there are areas where some do better than others. While Delta excels in some, so does AA and so does UA....EACH OF THEM CAN BE LOOKED TO AS AN EXAMPLE IN SOME CAPACITY.

To keep the thread on topic, I worked on every one of the 747-400’s and had the chance to visit aircraft 666 on its farewell tour in LA....that brought back a lot of great memories and I will miss very much seeing the 400.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:40 am

I think in the end, the 747-400 served one purpose very well from 1989 to around 2000: it opened up much longer international flights than before. And NW--before it merged with DL--was among first customers to buy the 744 because it could fly to eastern Asia non-stop from JFK and MSP. And so did SQ, who used them to expand long international routes like SIN-LHR and SIN to West Coast USA (SQ got it flying the SQ 001/002 route as soon as there were enough planes).

It has served its purpose well, and now with smaller twin-jet airliners capable of flying the long routes previously reserved for the 744, the age of the 744 is starting to come to an end. Depending on how fast Airbus can deliver the A350XWB-1000 (A35K), I wouldn't be surprised if BA retires their 744 fleet faster than anticipated, too.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:41 am

macsog6 wrote:
I flew on -100's, -200's, the wonderful SP, the -300, -400, and finally the -8. The Queen may be old, but she's still the Queen and still a tribute to those that built her, those that operated her, and the industry as a whole. Long LIve the Queen.


I remember when I started working for AA in 1989, that the SP was still flying, and I hoped to get chance to ride on her, but alas, AA eventually got rid the SP. But then again, I had no plans to travel to Tokyo...

The 747 is still the most beautiful beast out there.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:44 am

I was on the last flight, here is my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMhlnWdxu8A
 
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:46 am

Too many emotions. But we got to fly a DL (former NW) 744 NRT - DTW in the upper deck back in 2013 enroute home from Guam.
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Re: DL's final 744 in its final resting place today

Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:46 am

I love Delta Air Lines and their magnificent history -- while noting that their now-retired 744s came from NW.

I wish that they had somehow been able to mount Farewell Events for the 747 similar to United's (who had a 1970 Retro final pax flight, and employee-only commemoration flights from each hub.)

At least, some of us can still enjoy the 748i, in those cities to which LH flies it -- perhaps for 10-20 years to come!

Peace and warm regards,

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