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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:14 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:

That should not be the case. ATL is way over-inflated because DL routes almost half of its traffic through there. ATL should be closer to around 70 million.

These numbers are from the ATL website:
http://www.atl.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... c-2017.pdf

ATL is way too high compared to any airport! That is a fact!


No, I meant 70 million is what it should be if DL right-sized the operation at ATL. 1,000+ flights on one carrier is way too much. They should cut 200 flights to around 800, bring it closer to what AA has at DFW.


This makes zero sense... DL should just arbitrarily cut flights because you think it's too much and to be more equal with DFW? DL is an extremely well-managed company and also one of the most profitable airlines on earth, I think they've got their business figured out. ATL is as large a hub as it is because it makes money, if it didn't, you'd see DL cut back flights.

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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:37 pm

iyerhari wrote:
PDX has climbed and above TPA this year. I have no clue about HNL airport as they post a consolidated report for the year - with that info PDX is now ranked 28 and above TPA.


TPA is still ahead of PDX with 19.6 million for 2017.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:49 pm

SESGDL wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
These numbers are from the ATL website:
http://www.atl.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... c-2017.pdf

ATL is way too high compared to any airport! That is a fact!


No, I meant 70 million is what it should be if DL right-sized the operation at ATL. 1,000+ flights on one carrier is way too much. They should cut 200 flights to around 800, bring it closer to what AA has at DFW.


This makes zero sense... DL should just arbitrarily cut flights because you think it's too much and to be more equal with DFW? DL is an extremely well-managed company and also one of the most profitable airlines on earth, I think they've got their business figured out. ATL is as large a hub as it is because it makes money, if it didn't, you'd see DL cut back flights.

Jeremy


1,000+ flights is way too much for one hub for a variety of reasons. At least AA and UA spread out their traffic more. ATL is just an accident waiting to happen (see the recent power outage for example).
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:45 pm

jbpdx wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
PDX has climbed and above TPA this year. I have no clue about HNL airport as they post a consolidated report for the year - with that info PDX is now ranked 28 and above TPA.


TPA is still ahead of PDX with 19.6 million for 2017.

Apologies - I made a mistake when seeing so many airports. I corrected it. Ranking 28 and ahead of PDX. Thank you. :)
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:54 pm

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777PHX wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
Thanks for sharing.

PHX has to have the most boring 40million. 737s and A320s with the occasional non AA/WN bird and the BA 747. Don't get me wrong, hometown airport, Love to see the numbers up.

The scale of passenger flights in the US is amazing. That is moving a lot of people.


I'm shocked PHX is busier than IAH and MIA. Would have thought those two were far larger.


Both Miami and Houston have multiple airports, though. And while Phoenix has Mesa, it's just Allegiant and WestJet.

FLL today, IIRC, is busier than MIA was in 2001, which is nuts.


That's a good point, Southwest is probably the difference maker. PHX is a "hub" for Southwest, while they don't serve MIA or IAH.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:56 pm

DTW Dec-2017 numbers are out now.

Total pax: 34,701,497
International pax: 3,057,206
International pax as a percent of total pax: 8.81%
AAGR from 2016: 0.87%
Ranking: 18 below MSP and above FLL
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:14 am

iyerhari wrote:
DTW Dec-2017 numbers are out now.

Total pax: 34,701,497
International pax: 3,057,206
International pax as a percent of total pax: 8.81%
AAGR from 2016: 0.87%
Ranking: 18 below MSP and above FLL


I wonder why DTW has less traffic than MSP and what DL's long term plans are for both DTW and MSP (will they grow or shrink or stay the same?)
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:55 am

iyerhari wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Hi all,
As I mentioned earlier, I had the way of getting the numbers up on-line, so i've worked through the attached file and added some data. This will be updated regularly from now on.
As some of the airports have published to different months, i've added an estimation of the remaining pax missing for the rest of the year and added 2016 Year numbers, so we can do a 16 vs 17 comparison, it's pretty much a rolling forecast as i've taken the YTD % changes for the most part. It's basically iyerhari's list above with those additional tweaks.

Enjoy folks. Let me know if you can't access for any reason.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B61t8 ... XhIV2ttSkk

Very well done and nicely laid out. For just pleasure, I went through the numbers for the very large hubs ranked 1 through 7 and these airports operate in a completely different zone!

Ranking Airport Total pax International pax
1 ATL 95,853,002 11,089,903
2 LAX 77,460,035 22,728,431
3 ORD 73,470,677 11,489,326
4 DFW 50,217,940 6,654,737
5 DEN 51,515,354 2,143,376
6 JFK 51,508,374 27,577,303
7 SFO 51,154,591 12,354,832

When you go through the numbers, couple of imp. points.
1. DFW number only covers until Sep-2017.
2. DEN and JFK are until Oct-2017. JFK has moved a level down compared to last year.
3. Rest all the airports in the list - ATL, LAX, ORD, SFO have reported through Nov.

Aforesaid, this is not in the category of large hubs but the very large hubs. Boy! difference between ATL and LAX is 18,392,967!



More than half of JFK pax are international! And that's with JetBlue's home base at JFK.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:10 pm

SEA 2017 annual stats highlights updated. The detailed breakdown for month Dec-2017 has not yet been posted.

Total pax: 46.9 million
2017 AAGR: 2.54%

Based on how CLT numbers come through for Nov and Dec, SEA will be either number 9 or 10 but certainly SEA is ahead of MCO but behind LAS.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:04 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
1,000+ flights is way too much for one hub for a variety of reasons. At least AA and UA spread out their traffic more. ATL is just an accident waiting to happen (see the recent power outage for example).

I doubt the recent power outage chaos was a function of total pax throughput.
Would it have looked any different if ATL had 70 m pax ( and associated facilities seized for that number)?

What makes you believe that JFK, ORD, er even DFW would have handled such a situation differently?
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:58 pm

SEA detailed numbers are out for Dec-2017 and the complete calendar year:

Total pax: 46,934,194, International pax: 5,129,844, International pax as a % of total pax: 10.93%
AAGR for 2017: 2.62%

SEA ranking will be either 9 or 10 based on how CLT numbers comes out.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:04 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:

No, I meant 70 million is what it should be if DL right-sized the operation at ATL. 1,000+ flights on one carrier is way too much. They should cut 200 flights to around 800, bring it closer to what AA has at DFW.


This makes zero sense... DL should just arbitrarily cut flights because you think it's too much and to be more equal with DFW? DL is an extremely well-managed company and also one of the most profitable airlines on earth, I think they've got their business figured out. ATL is as large a hub as it is because it makes money, if it didn't, you'd see DL cut back flights.

Jeremy


1,000+ flights is way too much for one hub for a variety of reasons. At least AA and UA spread out their traffic more. ATL is just an accident waiting to happen (see the recent power outage for example).


That's purely your opinion. DL clearly disagrees.

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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:06 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
DTW Dec-2017 numbers are out now.

Total pax: 34,701,497
International pax: 3,057,206
International pax as a percent of total pax: 8.81%
AAGR from 2016: 0.87%
Ranking: 18 below MSP and above FLL


I wonder why DTW has less traffic than MSP and what DL's long term plans are for both DTW and MSP (will they grow or shrink or stay the same?)


MSP is a slightly larger O&D market than DTW, for one. And two, DL chooses to allocate more capacity (by a very small margin) to MSP than DTW.

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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:33 am

SAN Dec-2017 numbers are out:

Total pax: 22,173,493, international pax: 874,321, international pax as a percent of total pax: 3.94%
AAGR for 2017: 6.97%

I cannot say for sure the exact ranking because DCA, IAD and MDW haven't reported their Dec-2017 numbers.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:17 pm

Quick question, does anyone track MCO themselves? If so, would you happen to have year end numbers domestic + international preferably for 2013, 2014, and 2015. Before I go and ask MCO directly, figured I would check.
I am trying to do a 5 year trend analysis and this is one that only has reports on line back to 16.
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:32 pm

MCO stats are available on their website.
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:56 pm

MCO stats are available on their website are only for rolling 12 months. VS4ever is looking for older detailed reports.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:09 pm

IAH Dec-2017 numbers are out.

Total pax: 40,696,216, international pax: 10,314,124, international pax as % of total tax: 25.34% (WOW!)
2017 AAGR as compared to 2016: -2.39%
IAH will be ranked #15 in 2017 as compared to 14 in 2016. IAH is followed by BOS and BOS lags IAH by 2,162,069 pax.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:23 am

VS4ever wrote:
Quick question, does anyone track MCO themselves? If so, would you happen to have year end numbers domestic + international preferably for 2013, 2014, and 2015. Before I go and ask MCO directly, figured I would check.
I am trying to do a 5 year trend analysis and this is one that only has reports on line back to 16.


Thank you for your work iyerhari and VS4ever! Was all this created by a brute force search of public reports for each airport publicly available on the internet? If so, wow.

Based on the T-100 segment data, I have total MCO origin + destination passengers, domestic + international at
2013 - 34,253,161
2014 - 34,785,420
2015 - 37,780,476
2016 - 40,813,428

I included 2016 because I note that my number is more than a million passengers less than the number you have for MCO (41,923,399) on the [Leaderboard - 17 vs 16 Analysis] tab for 2016. I think I found the source of your number, https://orlandoairports.net/site/uploads/trfc201612.pdf, but I'm not sure how to explain the difference. Could it be because your report includes Orlando Executive Airport?
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:28 pm

TallThrill wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Quick question, does anyone track MCO themselves? If so, would you happen to have year end numbers domestic + international preferably for 2013, 2014, and 2015. Before I go and ask MCO directly, figured I would check.
I am trying to do a 5 year trend analysis and this is one that only has reports on line back to 16.


Thank you for your work iyerhari and VS4ever! Was all this created by a brute force search of public reports for each airport publicly available on the internet? If so, wow.

Based on the T-100 segment data, I have total MCO origin + destination passengers, domestic + international at
2013 - 34,253,161
2014 - 34,785,420
2015 - 37,780,476
2016 - 40,813,428

I included 2016 because I note that my number is more than a million passengers less than the number you have for MCO (41,923,399) on the [Leaderboard - 17 vs 16 Analysis] tab for 2016. I think I found the source of your number, https://orlandoairports.net/site/uploads/trfc201612.pdf, but I'm not sure how to explain the difference. Could it be because your report includes Orlando Executive Airport?

Thank you :) The reports were created from the airport public website monthly data.

The 41,923,399 is reported on the airline website. The only logical reason I can give for the 1M pax difference may include non-revenue and charter pax. I haven't gone through 2016 numbers for MCO on a monthly basis so cannot comment for sure. Certain airports such as BOS, MSP, EWR, JFK, LGA etc. report their non-revenue and charter numbers on a monthly basis so it is just easier to reconcile. Certain don't. Maybe VS4ever can provide addnl. commentary if I misstated.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:38 pm

TallThrill wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Quick question, does anyone track MCO themselves? If so, would you happen to have year end numbers domestic + international preferably for 2013, 2014, and 2015. Before I go and ask MCO directly, figured I would check.
I am trying to do a 5 year trend analysis and this is one that only has reports on line back to 16.


Thank you for your work iyerhari and VS4ever! Was all this created by a brute force search of public reports for each airport publicly available on the internet? If so, wow.

Based on the T-100 segment data, I have total MCO origin + destination passengers, domestic + international at
2013 - 34,253,161
2014 - 34,785,420
2015 - 37,780,476
2016 - 40,813,428

I included 2016 because I note that my number is more than a million passengers less than the number you have for MCO (41,923,399) on the [Leaderboard - 17 vs 16 Analysis] tab for 2016. I think I found the source of your number, https://orlandoairports.net/site/uploads/trfc201612.pdf, but I'm not sure how to explain the difference. Could it be because your report includes Orlando Executive Airport?


Iyerhari is correct, my understanding from a conversation with the person who handles BOS a while back is that the T-100’s only account for revenue pax, given the size of MCO that would definitely explain the difference. I do believe Charters would be included in T-100 because they are paid services. I’ve sent a note to the guy who handles MCO to see what the numbers actually were, so it will be interesting to see how close his are to the ones you pulled and I thank you for doing so.
Keep an eye on that file. I’m about to upload the 5 year comparatives for all the airports that I have and I am adding more to the mix.
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:32 am

I've updated some more info and added in 5 year comparatives for a bunch of airports and adding a few more. There are a couple of estimates for MCO (which i am following up on) and PIT (same), but they are directionally correct for the time being. Some of the smaller airports do not post an international split, so I am pulling those from the T-100's as best I can. More to come as I have time.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B61t8 ... XhIV2ttSkk
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:29 pm

iyerhari wrote:
MCO stats are available on their website are only for rolling 12 months. VS4ever is looking for older detailed reports.


Sorry,

They used to have several Year End Stats on the site, but I don't see them anymore. They also had a fact sheet that listed year end stats going back 15 years, or so, but I don't see that either.

Here are MCO's reported year end summaries for 2011-2016, pulled from the latest fact sheet.

Year Total Pax International Pax

2011 35,426,436 3,502,584
2012 35,288,887 3,502,584
2013 34,768,945 3,945,574
2014 35,714,612 4,324,175
2015 38,809,337 5,084,240
2016 41,923,399 5,592,710
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:47 pm

Because many of the airports have not reported full year data, comparisons are not possible. We won't know until ACI publishes their rankings - in about three months.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:56 pm

I found a more apples-to-apples comparison over at SkyscraperCity, from someone who gets his numbers from IATA. For what it's worth - one month, YTD and full year stats...
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost. ... count=2252
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:33 pm

Thank you. Somebody has some real fancy software :) BOS is just going to miss the list this year :(
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:56 pm

Standings of North American airports based on full year international passenger figures for 2017 (except otherwise noted):

Standings extrapolated based on potential full year figures.

1. JFK 29.9 million (til Nov '17)
2. YYZ 25.04 million (til Oct '17)
3. LAX 24.8 million
4. MIA 19.5 million (til Nov '17)
5. CUN 15.79 million
6. MEX 15.75 million
7. PTY 14.7 million (2016 total)
8. SFO 13.4 million
9. EWR 11.8 million (til Nov '17)
10. ORD 11.5 million (til Nov '17)
11. YVR 12.4 million
12. ATL 12.03 million
13. YUL 11.2 million
14. IAH 10.6 million
15. DFW 8.5 million
16. BOS 6.7 million (til Nov '17)
Last edited by Thenoflyzone on Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:19 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:18 pm

Thank you. Here is the latest rankings that I have thus far for the top 10 US airports based on international pax. I listed 11 and not 10 as I wanted to include BOS to the list.

I will send the finalized rankings once all airports compile the numbers. The following are pending: ORD, MDW, CLT, EWR, LGA, JFK, IAD, DCA, BWI and DEN. We are almost getting there :)

Airport Total pax International pax Intl. pax % Remarks
JFK 56,118,299 29,919,752 53.32% Until Nov-2017
LAX 84,557,968 24,829,363 29.36% Until Dec-2017
MIA 44,071,313 21,473,111 48.72% Until Dec-2017
SFO 55,832,518 13,425,328 24.05% Until Dec-2017
ATL 103,902,992 12,033,865 11.58% Until Dec-2017
EWR 40,875,589 11,848,675 28.99% Until Nov-2017
ORD 73,470,677 11,489,326 15.64% Until Nov-2017
IAH 40,696,216 10,314,124 25.34% Until Dec-2017
DFW 67,092,224 8,488,020 12.65% Until Dec-2017
FLL 32,511,053 7,183,275 22.09% Until Dec-2017
BOS 38,412,419 7,163,020 18.65% Until Dec-2017
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:42 pm

^
thanks for the update. I made an error in my list. I used the fiscal year 2017 passenger numbers for IAH, and not the calendar year numbers. IAH is indeed 10.3 international passengers. The error doesn't change its position in the ranks, however.

I also have the 2017 numbers for PTY, which is 15.6 million passengers, almost all international. Again doesn't change it's rank in North America.
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:05 pm

DCA and IAD reported their Nov-2017 numbers finally! I see an empty bullet by the DCA air statistics page after Nov-2017 so I am hoping they will release their Dec-2017 numbers soon.

DCA:

Total pax through Nov-2017: 22,108,151, international pax: 343,009, international pax as a % of total pax: 1.55%
2016 pax from Jan-2016 through Dec-2016: 23,012,191

IAD:
Total pax through Nov-2017: 21,001,815, international pax: 7,130,540, international pax as a % of total pax: 33.95%
2016 pax from Jan-2016 through Dec-2016: 21,498,902

I am fairly certain IAD will be above SAN at ranking 26, DCA I believe will be either 24 or 23 depending on how good their Dec-2017 numbers come.

More to come!
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:43 pm

PHL reported Dec-2017 numbers today. Quick snapshots:

2017 total pax: 29,585,754, international pax: 4,004,753, international pax as a % of total pax: 13.54%
2017 AAGR = -1.89%
2016 PHL ranking: 19
2017 PHL ranking: I believe it will be 21 below FLL and LGA.

With new flight additions in 2018 thanks to AA both domestic and international, I believe PHL may improve ranking in 2018.

The following airports still haven't their numbers:
Dec-2017: ORD, JFK, DEN, EWR, LGA, BWI, DCA, IAD, MDW
Nov and Dec-2017: CLT

Hopefully we see the final tally soon.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:33 pm

BWI numbers for CY2017.

Total passengers: 26,369,411 up 5.0% from 2016.

International 1,163,442
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:09 pm

Thank you. As per my compile report, BWI 2016 rankings = 22 and it should stay the same for 2017 calendar year.

Awaiting reports for other airports that haven't reported their official numbers yet.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:06 am

DEN Dec-2017 numbers are out.
2017 total pax: 61,379,396, international pax: 2,591,652 international pax as a % of total pax: 4.22% (wow! over 96% are pure domestic!)
AAGR for 2017: 5.34%
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:11 am

klm617 wrote:
Pretty sad showing for Detroit. With 2 hub carriers.


Detroit has 2 hub carriers?
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:35 pm

MSP 2017 figures are in.
Passengers 38,034,341 up 1.4%
Operations 416,213 up 0.7%
Cargo 229,440 metric tons up 11%
60% local passengers and 40% connecting passengers
159 nonstop destinations of which 58 are served by multiple airlines
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:09 am

iyerhari wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
LAX numbers are out.

Passenger Traffic Up 4.5 percent to 84.6M in 2017, International Traffic Up 8.7 %

http://labusinessjournal.com/news/2018/ ... ternation/

ATL has also reported their 2017 Dec numbers along with LAX.

ATL
Total pax: 103,902,992
International pax: 12,033,865
AAGR: -0.26%

LAX
Total pax: 84,557,968
International pax: 24,829,363
AAGR: 4.49%

ATL is going to be the undisputed leader again this year!


when you consider that:

[list=]there are multiple LA airports
LAX gets very little connecting traffic
they have 1 fewer runway than ATL[/list]

that LAX comes close as it does to ATL is very impressive. I'm wondering what their average seat count on each flight is compared to ATL. I'm thinking 1.5 to 1 higher
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:21 am

iyerhari wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Hi all,
Boy! difference between ATL and LAX is 18,392,967!

Well, that is impressive for LAX considering that it is not a major transfer hub that ATL is!!!. It comes quite close to ATL!! wow...considering that most of LAX traffic is O&D. I wonder how much of ATL's 95 million is actual O&D.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:41 pm

EWRandMDW wrote:
As you can see from my id on this post, EWR is one of my 2 favorite airports. I went to the PANYNJ site and saw they did indeed post November stats. Counting revenue and non-revenue passengers, for the first 11 months of 2017 40,655,986 flew through EWR. Projecting through December, using the 12 months between Dec 2016 and Nov 2017 the total goes up to 44,281,090. If you average out the total on a monthly basis between Jan and Nov 2017, then the annual number of passengers will be 12 x 40,655,986/11 which is just about 44,351,985. I find that absolutely astounding! Perhaps the 2019 yearly total pass 50,000,000? Wouldn't that be something for an airport a "real" New Yorker will never use! You know who you are!


I just saw that PANYNJ released Dec numbers. I'll report only for EWR as I don't care about LGA or JFK.

Total Revenue passengers between January and December 2017 came in at 43,393,499, a 7% increase over 2016.
International revenue passengers totalled 12,880,216, or 4.3% over the previous year.
Domestic revenue passengers totalled 30,513,283, or 8.1% above the previous year.

Add in the non-revenue numbers (a < 1% decrease from 2016) to the revenue count to get a grand total of 44,672,421. My best estimate from my earlier post was more than 320,000 below the actual passenger count! Should growth for revenue and non-rev combined top out at 5% during 2018, the total pax count would go up to 46.9 million. Not bad!
 
iyerhari
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:01 am

Thank you. Adding JFK and LGA:
Total pax: 61,022,943 international pax: 32,425,222, international pax as a % of total pax: 53.14%
2017 AAGR: 0.75%
DEN has overtaken JFK this year and JFK will be ranked 6 vs. 5 in 2016

LGA:
Total pax: 30,327,204 international pax: 2,107,229 international pax as a % of total pax: 6.95%
2017 AAGR: -1.11%
LGA is certainly going to be 20 in the same ranking as 2016 ahead of PHL and behind FLL

EWR is going to be ranked 14 this year vs. 15 in 2016 behind PHX but ahead of IAH.

Airports pending their stats: ORD, MDW, DCA, IAD, and CLT
 
CapitalAvGeek
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:30 pm

IAD and DCA stats are now out.
IAD 22.9 million up 4.2%
DCA 23.9 million up 1.5%

http://www.mwaa.com/sites/default/files ... eports.pdf
 
iyerhari
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:54 pm

Thank you. Additional stats for DCA and IAD:

DCA:

Total pax: 23,950,004 international pax: 361,364 international pax as a % of total pax: 1.51%
2017 AAGR: 1.48%

IAD:

Total pax: 22,892,504 international pax: 7,744,586 international pax as a % of total pax: 33.83% (WOW!)
2017 AAGR: 4.15%

DCA ranking: 24 (MDW numbers can change based on how their Dec-2017 numbers come through)
IAD ranking: 26

We are getting close - pending airports that have not reported their Dec numbers - MDW, ORD
CLT - Nov and Dec-2017

Hopefully we get close this week!
 
klm617
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:07 pm

SESGDL wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
DTW Dec-2017 numbers are out now.

Total pax: 34,701,497
International pax: 3,057,206
International pax as a percent of total pax: 8.81%
AAGR from 2016: 0.87%
Ranking: 18 below MSP and above FLL


I wonder why DTW has less traffic than MSP and what DL's long term plans are for both DTW and MSP (will they grow or shrink or stay the same?)


MSP is a slightly larger O&D market than DTW, for one. And two, DL chooses to allocate more capacity (by a very small margin) to MSP than DTW.

Jeremy



MSP also has a full fledged second hub carrier in Sun Country that Detroit does not. For political reasons MSP will always be a larger hub than DTW. Also keep in mind there real is no place for people from MSP to drive to get reasonably lower air fares like you can drive to ORD and YYZ from DTW all these factors negatively impact DTW over MSP
the truth does matter, guys. too bad it's often quite subjective. the truth is beyond the mere facts and figures. it's beyond good and bad, right and wrong...
 
tom02
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:22 am

CLT numbers are in, 45,909,899 total. A 3% increase from 2016
22.9 million domestic enplanements
3.3 million international enplanements up 6%

http://www.cltairport.com/News/Pages/CL ... ecord.aspx
 
iyerhari
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:50 am

Excellent thank you. CLT will be at #10 behind SEA this year but ahead of MCO.

Just two more airports left to report Dec-2017 numbers. ORD and MDW and then we are ready with our final for 2017.
 
iyerhari
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:23 pm

ORD and MDW still haven't reported their Dec-2017 numbers. The final rankings look directionally correct with the exception of these two airports.

Rank Airport Total pax International pax Intl. pax % 2016 pax AAGR 2016 Rank
1 ATL 103,902,992 12,033,865 11.58% 104,171,935 -0.26% 1
2 LAX 84,557,968 24,829,363 29.36% 80,921,651 4.49% 2
3 ORD 73,470,677 11,489,326 15.64% 76,949,504 -4.52% 3
4 DFW 67,092,224 8,488,020 12.65% 64,074,762 4.71% 4
5 DEN 61,379,396 2,591,652 4.22% 58,266,515 5.34% 6
6 JFK 61,022,943 32,425,222 53.14% 60,568,055 0.75% 5
7 SFO 55,832,518 13,425,328 24.05% 53,096,225 5.15% 7
8 LAS 48,500,194 3,648,093 7.52% 45,443,900 6.73% 8
9 SEA 46,934,194 5,129,844 10.93% 45,737,115 2.62% 10
10 CLT 45,909,899 3,300,000 7.19% 44,422,022 3.35% 9
11 MCO 44,611,265 5,912,295 13.25% 41,923,399 6.41% 13
12 MIA 44,071,313 21,473,111 48.72% 44,584,603 -1.15% 12
13 PHX 43,921,670 2,077,073 4.73% 43,383,528 1.24% 11
14 EWR 43,393,499 12,880,216 29.68% 41,630,156 4.24% 15
15 IAH 40,696,216 10,314,124 25.34% 41,692,372 -2.39% 14
16 BOS 38,412,419 7,163,020 18.65% 36,288,042 5.85% 17
17 MSP 38,034,341 2,951,166 7.76% 37,505,521 1.41% 16
18 DTW 34,701,497 3,057,206 8.81% 34,401,254 0.87% 18
19 FLL 32,511,053 7,183,275 22.09% 26,941,671 20.67% 21
20 LGA 30,327,204 2,107,229 6.95% 30,667,252 -1.11% 20
21 PHL 29,585,754 4,004,753 13.54% 30,155,090 -1.89% 19
22 BWI 26,436,345 1,163,442 4.40% 25,195,026 4.93% 22
23 SLC 24,198,816 913,628 3.78% 23,155,527 4.51% 24
24 DCA 23,950,004 361,364 1.51% 23,600,177 1.48% 23
25 MDW 20,668,649 756,277 3.66% 22,221,499 -6.99% 25
26 IAD 22,892,504 7,744,586 33.83% 21,980,367 4.15% 26
27 SAN 22,173,493 874,321 3.94% 20,729,353 6.97% 27
28 TPA 19,624,284 913,308 4.65% 18,931,922 3.66% 29
29 PDX 19,080,494 747,217 3.92% 18,352,767 3.97% 30

Quick points:

1. ORD and MDW numbers until Nov-2017
2. HNL has not reported any monthly numbers hence the ranking is off by a number. I have sent them an email but they still haven't reported.

Additional statistics based on reported numbers:

Top 10 Airports that have recorded the highest pax percent increases:

Airport AAGR
-----------------------
FLL 20.67%
SAN 6.97%
LAS 6.73%
MCO 6.41%
BOS 5.85%
DEN 5.34%
SFO 5.15%
BWI 4.93%
DFW 4.71%
SLC 4.51%

Top 10 airports with highest international pax as a % of total pax
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Airport Total pax International pax Intl. pax %
JFK 61,022,943 32,425,222 53.14%
MIA 44,071,313 21,473,111 48.72%
IAD 22,892,504 7,744,586 33.83%
EWR 43,393,499 12,880,216 29.68%
LAX 84,557,968 24,829,363 29.36%
IAH 40,696,216 10,314,124 25.34%
SFO 55,832,518 13,425,328 24.05%
FLL 32,511,053 7,183,275 22.09%
BOS 38,412,419 7,163,020 18.65%
ORD 73,470,677 11,489,326 15.64%

Airports that dropped their rankings in 2017 compared to 2016:
--------------------------------------------------------------
Rank Airport 2016 Rank 2016-2017
6 JFK 5 (1)
10 CLT 9 (1)
13 PHX 11 (2)
15 IAH 14 (1)
17 MSP 16 (1)
21 PHL 19 (2)
24 DCA 23 (1)

Airports that have gained their ranking in 2017 vs. 2016
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rank Airport 2016 Rank 2016-2017
5 DEN 6 1
9 SEA 10 1
11 MCO 13 2
14 EWR 15 1
16 BOS 17 1
19 FLL 21 2
23 SLC 24 1
28 TPA 29 1
29 PDX 30 1

Airports such as CLT, DEN and PHX standout in a way that they have such low international pax despite being strong fortress hubs but they have whopping domestic pax.

I will update the rankings sheet when ORD and MDW report their numbers. Enjoy!
 
33lspotter
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:34 pm

iyerhari wrote:
Thank you. Somebody has some real fancy software :) BOS is just going to miss the list this year :(


Certainly seems that way. The question is how much larger can it grow in 2018? While BOS' projected counts for '17 are above the 2016 ACI #50 (DOH), based on the trends, the #s for the #50 ACI airport in a given year can increase by up to 3.5 million, so BOS would have to have some serious growth in 2018 methinks to crack next year's top 50. While 2017 looks to be a massive increase from 2016, I'm not sure we have the space to do the same in 2018.
 
iyerhari
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:54 pm

33lspotter wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
Thank you. Somebody has some real fancy software :) BOS is just going to miss the list this year :(


Certainly seems that way. The question is how much larger can it grow in 2018? While BOS' projected counts for '17 are above the 2016 ACI #50 (DOH), based on the trends, the #s for the #50 ACI airport in a given year can increase by up to 3.5 million, so BOS would have to have some serious growth in 2018 methinks to crack next year's top 50. While 2017 looks to be a massive increase from 2016, I'm not sure we have the space to do the same in 2018.

I agree with you. BOS does have some additions that we know this time in 2018 but I agree with you - BOS needs even more growth percentages to continue. I believe the next big round of growth will occur possibly in 2019 when DL is expected to get the WN gates in A while B6 may end-up taking 2-3 more gates to tally up to 28-30 gates in C. There are definitely growth highpoints but I believe at some stage, it will start getting saturated.
 
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:17 pm

ORD and MDW numbers for Dec-2017 finally posted to the website. Here is the finalized tally and the table for the top airports in the category of very large and large hubs in the US. HNL statistics are not yet out so that has been left out.

Rank Airport Total pax International pax Intl. pax % 2016 pax AAGR 2016 Rank 2016-2017
1 ATL 103,902,992 12,033,865 11.58% 104,171,935 -0.26% 1 0
2 LAX 84,557,968 24,829,363 29.36% 80,921,651 4.49% 2 0
3 ORD 79,828,183 12,465,516 15.62% 77,960,629 2.40% 3 0
4 DFW 67,092,224 8,488,020 12.65% 64,074,762 4.71% 4 0
5 DEN 61,379,396 2,591,652 4.22% 58,266,515 5.34% 6 1
6 JFK 61,022,943 32,425,222 53.14% 60,568,055 0.75% 5 (1)
7 SFO 55,832,518 13,425,328 24.05% 53,096,225 5.15% 7 0
8 LAS 48,500,194 3,648,093 7.52% 45,443,900 6.73% 8 0
9 SEA 46,934,194 5,129,844 10.93% 45,737,115 2.62% 10 1
10 CLT 45,909,899 3,300,000 7.19% 44,422,022 3.35% 9 (1)
11 MCO 44,611,265 5,912,295 13.25% 41,923,399 6.41% 13 2
12 MIA 44,071,313 21,473,111 48.72% 44,584,603 -1.15% 12 0
13 PHX 43,921,670 2,077,073 4.73% 43,383,528 1.24% 11 (2)
14 EWR 43,393,499 12,880,216 29.68% 41,630,156 4.24% 15 1
15 IAH 40,696,216 10,314,124 25.34% 41,692,372 -2.39% 14 (1)
16 BOS 38,412,419 7,163,020 18.65% 36,288,042 5.85% 17 1
17 MSP 38,034,341 2,951,166 7.76% 37,505,521 1.41% 16 (1)
18 DTW 34,701,497 3,057,206 8.81% 34,401,254 0.87% 18 0
19 FLL 32,511,053 7,183,275 22.09% 26,941,671 20.67% 21 2
20 LGA 30,327,204 2,107,229 6.95% 30,667,252 -1.11% 20 0
21 PHL 29,585,754 4,004,753 13.54% 30,155,090 -1.89% 19 (2)
22 BWI 26,436,345 1,163,442 4.40% 25,195,026 4.93% 22 0
23 SLC 24,198,816 913,628 3.78% 23,155,527 4.51% 24 1
24 DCA 23,950,004 361,364 1.51% 23,600,177 1.48% 23 (1)
25 IAD 22,892,504 7,744,586 33.83% 21,980,367 4.15% 26 1
26 MDW 22,460,236 817,549 3.64% 22,677,589 -0.96% 25 (1)
27 SAN 22,173,493 874,321 3.94% 20,729,353 6.97% 27 0
28 TPA 19,624,284 913,308 4.65% 18,931,922 3.66% 29 1
29 PDX 19,080,494 747,217 3.92% 18,352,767 3.97% 30 1

Top 10 airports that have experienced the highest growth in 2017 calendar year
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FLL 20.67%
SAN 6.97%
LAS 6.73%
MCO 6.41%
BOS 5.85%
DEN 5.34%
SFO 5.15%
BWI 4.93%
DFW 4.71%
SLC 4.51%
 
EWRandMDW
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Re: 2017 total passenger rankings for US large hub airports

Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:55 pm

iyerhari wrote:
ORD and MDW numbers for Dec-2017 finally posted to the website. Here is the finalized tally and the table for the top airports in the category of very large and large hubs in the US. HNL statistics are not yet out so that has been left out.

Rank Airport Total pax International pax Intl. pax % 2016 pax AAGR 2016 Rank 2016-2017
1 ATL 103,902,992 12,033,865 11.58% 104,171,935 -0.26% 1 0
2 LAX 84,557,968 24,829,363 29.36% 80,921,651 4.49% 2 0
3 ORD 79,828,183 12,465,516 15.62% 77,960,629 2.40% 3 0
4 DFW 67,092,224 8,488,020 12.65% 64,074,762 4.71% 4 0
5 DEN 61,379,396 2,591,652 4.22% 58,266,515 5.34% 6 1
6 JFK 61,022,943 32,425,222 53.14% 60,568,055 0.75% 5 (1)
7 SFO 55,832,518 13,425,328 24.05% 53,096,225 5.15% 7 0
8 LAS 48,500,194 3,648,093 7.52% 45,443,900 6.73% 8 0
9 SEA 46,934,194 5,129,844 10.93% 45,737,115 2.62% 10 1
10 CLT 45,909,899 3,300,000 7.19% 44,422,022 3.35% 9 (1)
11 MCO 44,611,265 5,912,295 13.25% 41,923,399 6.41% 13 2
12 MIA 44,071,313 21,473,111 48.72% 44,584,603 -1.15% 12 0
13 PHX 43,921,670 2,077,073 4.73% 43,383,528 1.24% 11 (2)
14 EWR 43,393,499 12,880,216 29.68% 41,630,156 4.24% 15 1
15 IAH 40,696,216 10,314,124 25.34% 41,692,372 -2.39% 14 (1)
16 BOS 38,412,419 7,163,020 18.65% 36,288,042 5.85% 17 1
17 MSP 38,034,341 2,951,166 7.76% 37,505,521 1.41% 16 (1)
18 DTW 34,701,497 3,057,206 8.81% 34,401,254 0.87% 18 0
19 FLL 32,511,053 7,183,275 22.09% 26,941,671 20.67% 21 2
20 LGA 30,327,204 2,107,229 6.95% 30,667,252 -1.11% 20 0
21 PHL 29,585,754 4,004,753 13.54% 30,155,090 -1.89% 19 (2)
22 BWI 26,436,345 1,163,442 4.40% 25,195,026 4.93% 22 0
23 SLC 24,198,816 913,628 3.78% 23,155,527 4.51% 24 1
24 DCA 23,950,004 361,364 1.51% 23,600,177 1.48% 23 (1)
25 IAD 22,892,504 7,744,586 33.83% 21,980,367 4.15% 26 1
26 MDW 22,460,236 817,549 3.64% 22,677,589 -0.96% 25 (1)
27 SAN 22,173,493 874,321 3.94% 20,729,353 6.97% 27 0
28 TPA 19,624,284 913,308 4.65% 18,931,922 3.66% 29 1
29 PDX 19,080,494 747,217 3.92% 18,352,767 3.97% 30 1

Top 10 airports that have experienced the highest growth in 2017 calendar year
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FLL 20.67%
SAN 6.97%
LAS 6.73%
MCO 6.41%
BOS 5.85%
DEN 5.34%
SFO 5.15%
BWI 4.93%
DFW 4.71%
SLC 4.51%



I checked the Chicago Dept. Aviation website and the Jan-Dec 2017 figures for ORD and MDW are as you posted. However, they are combined revenue and non-revenue pax numbers. If one combines revenue and non-revenue pax for, say EWR (one of my 2 favorite airports), the total number for 2017 is 44,627,491. The 43,393,499 posted above is revenue only. The comparisons and rankings are somewhat skewed. Either show ALL pax or revenue only.

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