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OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:10 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3E DEC-ORD FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3
3E DEC-STL FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3

4B ABQ-CNM MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7
4B ABQ-SVC MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3
4B AIA-CDR MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7
4B AIA-DEN MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7
4B ATL-MSL MAR 0>1.5 APR 0>1.4 MAY 0>1.5 JUN 0>1.4
4B CDR-DEN MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7
4B CNM-DFW MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>0.9
4B CVN-DFW MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3
4B DDC-DEN APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3
4B LAX-MCE MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3
4B MCE-OAK MAR 0>1.8 APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>1.8
4B PHX-SOW FEB 1.7>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3
4B PHX-SVC MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0

9K ACK-EWB FEB 2>0.9 MAR 2.0>0.7 APR 3>0.7
These are both 3E and 9K? They aren't both flying are they?
9K DEC-ORD FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>4 APR 0>4 MAY 0>4 JUN 0>4 JUL 0>4 AUG 0>4 SEP 0>4
9K DEC-STL FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7

9X BNA-MEM MAR 0.2>0.1
9X DSI-MEM MAR 0.1>0.0

AA CLT-AUA MAY 1.4>2
AA CLT-CUR MAY 0.1>0.3
AA CLT-MBJ MAY 3>4
*AA CLT-STT MAY 0.9>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 0.9>0.2
*AA CLT-SXM MAY 1.8>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 1.5>0.2
AA DAY-LGA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.9>3
AA DFW-ZCL MAY 0.4>0.1 SEP 0.5>0.2
AA FLL-PAP MAY 1.1>2 JUN 1.8>2
*AA JFK-STT JUN 0.9>0 JUL 1.0>0
AA LGA-ORF JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
AA LGA-ROA MAY 1.6>0.9 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9 AUG 1.7>0.9 SEP 1.7>0.8
*AA LGA-SDF MAY 1.4>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3 SEP 1.0>3
AA MIA-STT MAY 3>2 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2
AA MIA-SXM MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 1.9>1.3
AA ORD-CHO APR 3>2
AA ORD-ICT APR 4>3
AA ORD-MKE APR 5>4
AA PHL-AUA MAY 0.5>0.7
*AA PHL-SXM MAY 0.5>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.6>0.1
AA PHX-SJD JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3

AC BOS-YVR JUN 0.3>1.0
AC LGA-YYZ MAY 14>13 JUN 13>12 JUL 13>12 AUG 14>13 SEP 13>12
AC ORD-YVR MAY 2>1.0
AC ORD-YYZ MAY 7>8

AM LAS-MTY JUN 0.9>0.7

AS DEN-SFO SEP 3>2
AS PDX-BOS JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.2>2
AS PDX-MKE JUN 0.9>0.6
AS SEA-YYJ JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4

AV JFK-CTG FEB 0.4>0
AV MIA-BAQ FEB 1.0>0.8
AV MIA-CLO FEB 1.0>0.7
AV MIA-CTG FEB 1.0>0.8
AV MIA-MDE FEB 1.0>0.7

B0 EWR-CDG FEB 1.4>1.3 MAR 1.7>1.5

B6 BDL-SJU MAY 1.0>1.5 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
B6 BOS-MBJ MAR 0.2>0.3
B6 FLL-MDE JUN 0.9>1.0
*B6 FLL-STI JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>0.1
B6 MCO-BQN MAY 1.5>2.0
B6 MCO-EWR MAY 7>6
B6 MCO-SJU MAR 4>5

BR JFK-TPE APR 1.6>1.4

CI LAX-TPE MAR 1.7>1.6

DL ATL-AGS SEP 7>8
Another round of BOS adds
DL BOS-BNA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.8>3 SEP 1.3>3
*DL BOS-CHS JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.0>1.0
DL BOS-JAX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>1.7
DL BOS-MCI JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7 AUG 0.9>1.9 SEP 0.7>1.6
DL BOS-PIT JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3
DL GEG-MSP SEP 3>1.8
DL JFK-SJU MAR 2>3
DL LAX-TPA SEP 1.8>1.0
*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
DL SEA-LAS JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5
*DL SEA-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
DL SEA-MCO SEP 1.5>1.0
DL SLC-COD MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
DL SLC-GJT MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
DL SLC-PIH MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
DL SLC-TWF MAR 3>4 APR 3>4

EK FLL-DXB MAR 0.8>0.7

ET EWR-ABJ JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4

FI BOS-KEF JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4
*FI BWI-KEF JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.6
FI JFK-KEF MAY 3>1.7
*FI MCI-KEF JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4
*FI SFO-KEF JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6

JJ LAS-GRU JUN 0.1>0.4

LO JFK-WAW MAY 1.3>1.4 JUN 1.3>1.4 JUL 1.3>1.4 AUG 1.3>1.4 SEP 1.3>1.4
LO ORD-WAW MAY 1.5>1.3 JUN 1.4>1.3 AUG 1.5>1.7 SEP 1.6>1.7

M5 BFI-ESD FEB 2>1.0
M5 BFI-FRD FEB 1.0>2
M5 ESD-FRD FEB 3>1.8
M5 KEH-LKE APR 2>3 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>5 AUG 3>4
M5 KEH-WSX JUN 0>1.9 JUL 0>4 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>1.0
M5 LKE-WSX MAR 0.9>3 APR 0.7>3 MAY 1.2>4 JUN 1.7>4 JUL 1.3>4 AUG 1.7>4 SEP 1.5>3
M5 LKE-YWH MAR 1.1>3 APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.5>4 JUN 1.9>4 JUL 1.6>4 AUG 2>4 SEP 1.8>3

NK FLL-SXM APR 0.1>0

P1 MBL-MDW MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9

PY MIA-AUA APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.4 JUN 0.3>0.4 JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.5 SEP 0.3>0.4

SV IAD-RUH MAR 0.6>0.4

UA DEN-MTJ MAY 3>2
UA EWR-STT APR 0.8>0.4
UA EWR-SXM APR 0.8>0.4
UA IAD-STT APR 0.6>0.2
UA IAD-YVR JUN 0.3>0.1 JUL 0.3>0.1 AUG 0.2>0.1
UA IAH-MTY FEB 7>6
UA IAH-PSP APR 2>1.3
UA ORD-DAY MAY 5>7
UA ORD-STT APR 0.1>0.0

UX BOS-MAD JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.2>0

VS SFO-LHR APR 1.9>2 MAY 1.9>2 JUN 1.8>2 JUL 1.9>2 AUG 1.8>2 SEP 1.9>2

VVC MIA-MDE MAR 0.0>0.2

VX PHL-SFO MAR 1.7>1.0 APR 1.6>0.8

X4 JNU-SIT MAY 5>3 JUN 5>3 JUL 5>3 AUG 4>3

Y4 DEN-GDL FEB 0.4>0.3
Y4 IAH-GDL FEB 0.4>0.3
Y4 JFK-MEX FEB 1.5>1.3
Y4 LAX-MEX FEB 2>1.9
Y4 LAX-MLM FEB 0.9>0.7
Y4 ONT-BJX FEB 0.3>0
Y4 ONT-GDL FEB 1.0>0.8
Y4 ORD-MEX FEB 1.0>0.9
Y4 SFO-GDL FEB 0.6>0.5
Y4 SFO-MEX FEB 0.6>0.5
Y4 SJC-GDL FEB 1.0>0.9

ZK DEN-PRC APR 0.3>0.2
ZK DEN-SLN APR 1.7>0.4 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:12 pm

enilria wrote:
*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

I think they were waiting for the A350 because it cut capacity on their East Coast Asia ops and now they can afford to shift some traffic to SEA.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:21 pm

Pretty quiet in terms of changes this week
enilria wrote:
AA DAY-LGA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.9>3
*AA LGA-SDF MAY 1.4>3 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3 SEP 1.0>3

Nice additions, DAY is probably a reaction to DL dropping

enilria wrote:
DL BOS-BNA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.8>3 SEP 1.3>3
*DL BOS-CHS JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.0>1.0
DL BOS-JAX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>1.7
DL BOS-MCI JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7 AUG 0.9>1.9 SEP 0.7>1.6
DL BOS-PIT JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3

Solid adds there

enilria wrote:
*DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

It's about time!

Did G4 make any schedule changes this week? I know they added CHS/SRQ, maybe that was Sunday night though..
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:41 pm

I assume ET is swapping LFW for ABJ to EWR?
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:47 pm

Thanks for the earlier than expected update this week!

enilria wrote:

FI BOS-KEF JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4
*FI BWI-KEF JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.6
FI JFK-KEF MAY 3>1.7
*FI MCI-KEF JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4
*FI SFO-KEF JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6


The BOS schedule is crazy its practical a shuttle service at peak times:

Departures from BOS are now 14:35, 20:15, 20:45, and 21:30. The new frequency is the 20:15 one. I thought maybe they would try a 23:00-00:00 time slot.


enilria wrote:
UX BOS-MAD JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.2>0


I wonder if this is some sort of refiling.
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:54 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Did G4 make any schedule changes this week? I know they added CHS/SRQ, maybe that was Sunday night though..

Nope, but their changes are not given a lot of credibility anyway.
adamh8297 wrote:
The BOS schedule is crazy its practical a shuttle service at peak times:

Departures from BOS are now 14:35, 20:15, 20:45, and 21:30. The new frequency is the 20:15 one. I thought maybe they would try a 23:00-00:00 time slot.

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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:39 pm

What is the driving force? Proximity and connections to Europe?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:59 pm

Good morning enilria - thanks for the post!

enilria wrote:
B6 BDL-SJU MAY 1.0>1.5 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
B6 MCO-BQN MAY 1.5>2.0
B6 MCO-SJU MAR 4>5


More signs that PR is rebounding after the devastating hurricane. Glad to see bookings are strong enough to add back capacity.

enilria wrote:
Another round of BOS adds
DL BOS-BNA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.8>3 SEP 1.3>3
*DL BOS-CHS JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.0>1.0
DL BOS-JAX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>1.7
DL BOS-MCI JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7 AUG 0.9>1.9 SEP 0.7>1.6
DL BOS-PIT JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3


Quite impressive, but not surprising given DL's stated goal to get to 150 flights @ BOS. I think the constant DL build-up is the "never-ending" response to B6's entrance to ATL and (BOS-)LGA, and MSP in May.

BOS-BNA is becoming something of blood bath. DL and WN at 3x, and B6 at 2x, in a market that didn't have non-stop service less than a decade ago.

BOS-CHS is an extremely profitable monopoly market for B6. It was only a matter of time before DL entered. I think there's enough room for both carriers in this market.

BOS-JAX is similar to BOS-CHS, in that it is also a B6 monopoly that DL is taking aim at. There are very few of those left.

Interesting that BOS-PIT is going up to 3x. Will this be the straw that causes AA to finally call it quits? (B6 also flies this 6x and commands very high average fares.)
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:03 pm

enilria wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Did G4 make any schedule changes this week? I know they added CHS/SRQ, maybe that was Sunday night though..

Nope, but their changes are not given a lot of credibility anyway.

It took almost a month for G4’s last expansion to show up on OAG. It will probably be awhile until their new routes show up on this report.
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:07 pm

enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

I think they were waiting for the A350 because it cut capacity on their East Coast Asia ops and now they can afford to shift some traffic to SEA.

Unless the timing is better no (or very very very very few) HVCs are going to fly from the west coast when they have options over DTW. Also the capacity lost on DTW-ICN/PVG from going 744 to 359 is being shifted over ATL with the new PVG flights and newish ICN flights, plus higher capacity to ATL.


IND and MCI are strong Delta markets that have connections to every Delta hub. It was only a matter of time before they were linked to Seattle. IAD is an important corporate market and is something Delta was going to need to add for the local Seattle O&D. I'm sure they would much rather have DCA but are out of slots.

Having said all of that, I'm still surprised DFW hasn't been added yet. Also some western cities like OAK, ABQ and RNO.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:13 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
Good morning enilria - thanks for the post!

enilria wrote:
B6 BDL-SJU MAY 1.0>1.5 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
B6 MCO-BQN MAY 1.5>2.0
B6 MCO-SJU MAR 4>5


More signs that PR is rebounding after the devastating hurricane. Glad to see bookings are strong enough to add back capacity.

enilria wrote:
Another round of BOS adds
DL BOS-BNA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.8>3 SEP 1.3>3
*DL BOS-CHS JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.0>1.0
DL BOS-JAX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>1.7
DL BOS-MCI JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7 AUG 0.9>1.9 SEP 0.7>1.6
DL BOS-PIT JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3


Quite impressive, but not surprising given DL's stated goal to get to 150 flights @ BOS. I think the constant DL build-up is the "never-ending" response to B6's entrance to ATL and (BOS-)LGA, and MSP in May.

BOS-BNA is becoming something of blood bath. DL and WN at 3x, and B6 at 2x, in a market that didn't have non-stop service less than a decade ago.

BOS-CHS is an extremely profitable monopoly market for B6. It was only a matter of time before DL entered. I think there's enough room for both carriers in this market.

BOS-JAX is similar to BOS-CHS, in that it is also a B6 monopoly that DL is taking aim at. There are very few of those left.

Interesting that BOS-PIT is going up to 3x. Will this be the straw that causes AA to finally call it quits? (B6 also flies this 6x and commands very high average fares.)

Agree with all of that. I think AA has no business in BOS-PIT (literally).

I'm not sure the BOS moves are retaliation as much as seeking new revenue when the only place left to get it are routes with LCCs or AS.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:28 pm

Thanks, as always, for the info enilria!

enilria wrote:
3E DEC-ORD FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3
3E DEC-STL FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3

These are both 3E and 9K? They aren't both flying are they?
9K DEC-ORD FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>4 APR 0>4 MAY 0>4 JUN 0>4 JUL 0>4 AUG 0>4 SEP 0>4

9K DEC-STL FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7


It's even messier than that.

Air Choice One (3E) has been serving Decatur for years with single-engine Cessna Caravan flights to O'Hare and St Louis. Bids for the new period came in:
--3E similar to existing ORD/STL service with Caravans
--9K Cape Air similar ORD/STL pattern with twin-piston Cessna 402
--OO Skywest UA* twice daily CRJ to ORD

At first Decatur narrowly recommended Cape over Skywest because they like having both ORD and STL but Cape has better interline agreements. But then Archer Daniels Midland and some other larger local businesses stepped in saying they preferred Skywest In particular ADM offered $100k to the DEC airport for improvements only if Skywest came and pledged at least 5000 annual passengers at DEC. Employees are currently discouraged from using DEC due to the tiny aircraft but the CRJ's would differ. Decatur changed their DoT recommendation to Skywest.

The DoT reviewed the bids and decided to award it to Cape Air. They said that essentially Cape and Skywest equally met four of five criteria -- Cape did not have community support but Skywest failed to include a marketing plan in their bid (which Skywest strongly objects to) and so they gave it to Cape because it was cheaper. It's not uncommon for the DoT to give the bid to a higher-cost option if it is within reason and it is recommended by the community but in this case they did not.

Both Skywest and ADM objected and have requested the DoT reconsider their choice but no word yet if they will do so. They dispute the DoT's idea that Skywest's marketing was absent and point out that Skywest will carry far more passengers than Cape and the per-passenger subsidy will be close to double -- $176/passenger for Cape and $91/passenger for Skywest.

No word from the DoT just yet but DEC will only be one airline. Almost certainly a few months from now 3E will be out but it's possible it may still be OO and not 9K.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:36 pm

"Agree with all of that. I think AA has no business in BOS-PIT (literally)."

AA has a very strong frequent flyer base in PIT that it acquired from US Airways. AA also has a pretty good ff base in BOS. As long as fares stay at a profitable level, I think AA will be fine.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:42 pm

The Marriott/Starwood hotel(s) in STT are not taking reservations through at least May. I imagine there are several other resorts in the same boat. So it is hard to imagine there is demand for more than a handful of flights to the US.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:47 pm

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I think AA has no business in BOS-PIT (literally).

Which explains why they upgauged a flight to an E175 and will be flying 3x daily in summer.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:09 pm

I think AA will keep BOS-PIT if the aircraft are involved in the rotation of other RJ routes AA flies out of BOS, especially BOS-ROC which I have been told (by a reliable source) is a very profitable route.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:19 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

I think they were waiting for the A350 because it cut capacity on their East Coast Asia ops and now they can afford to shift some traffic to SEA.

Unless the timing is better no (or very very very very few) HVCs are going to fly from the west coast when they have options over DTW. Also the capacity lost on DTW-ICN/PVG from going 744 to 359 is being shifted over ATL with the new PVG flights and newish ICN flights, plus higher capacity to ATL.
Ever since DL introduced the A350 on DTW-NRT/ICN, the planes have been more full with O&D travel on the Detroit end, essentially it’s the same amount of O&D or a tad bit more since the 747 retired, but with the reduction of seats, DL is filling DTW-Asia A350 flights with more O&D. It also accounts into ticket prices, ever since DL put the 359 on DTW-PEK, unbelievable $750 RT’s have been up for sale. I’ve seen ICN and NRT dip slightly below 1K too.

My point is, the A350 is selling seats at a lower price and that’s driving local demand up on both ends, not tremendously but it’s an increase. It’ll be interesting to see what it does in LAX and ATL, I haven’t seen ticket prices dip below 1K yet in those markets.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:28 pm

With fewer seats fares should go up, not down. Something is fishy here. Something else, not just the airplane type, would explain if overall average fares agre actually decreasing. Something is off.

flymco753 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
enilria wrote:
I think they were waiting for the A350 because it cut capacity on their East Coast Asia ops and now they can afford to shift some traffic to SEA.

Unless the timing is better no (or very very very very few) HVCs are going to fly from the west coast when they have options over DTW. Also the capacity lost on DTW-ICN/PVG from going 744 to 359 is being shifted over ATL with the new PVG flights and newish ICN flights, plus higher capacity to ATL.
Ever since DL introduced the A350 on DTW-NRT/ICN, the planes have been more full with O&D travel on the Detroit end, essentially it’s the same amount of O&D or a tad bit more since the 747 retired, but with the reduction of seats, DL is filling DTW-Asia A350 flights with more O&D. It also accounts into ticket prices, ever since DL put the 359 on DTW-PEK, unbelievable $750 RT’s have been up for sale. I’ve seen ICN and NRT dip slightly below 1K too.

My point is, the A350 is selling seats at a lower price and that’s driving local demand up on both ends, not tremendously but it’s an increase. It’ll be interesting to see what it does in LAX and ATL, I haven’t seen ticket prices dip below 1K yet in those markets.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:31 pm

jasoncrh wrote:
With fewer seats fares should go up, not down. Something is fishy here. Something else, not just the airplane type, would explain if overall average fares agre actually decreasing. Something is off.

flymco753 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
Unless the timing is better no (or very very very very few) HVCs are going to fly from the west coast when they have options over DTW. Also the capacity lost on DTW-ICN/PVG from going 744 to 359 is being shifted over ATL with the new PVG flights and newish ICN flights, plus higher capacity to ATL.
Ever since DL introduced the A350 on DTW-NRT/ICN, the planes have been more full with O&D travel on the Detroit end, essentially it’s the same amount of O&D or a tad bit more since the 747 retired, but with the reduction of seats, DL is filling DTW-Asia A350 flights with more O&D. It also accounts into ticket prices, ever since DL put the 359 on DTW-PEK, unbelievable $750 RT’s have been up for sale. I’ve seen ICN and NRT dip slightly below 1K too.

My point is, the A350 is selling seats at a lower price and that’s driving local demand up on both ends, not tremendously but it’s an increase. It’ll be interesting to see what it does in LAX and ATL, I haven’t seen ticket prices dip below 1K yet in those markets.
DTW-LHR has tickets going for $709 while both a 76W and 332, maybe these low prices are targeted towards O&D only? I’m researching connecting prices.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:32 pm

enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

I think they were waiting for the A350 because it cut capacity on their East Coast Asia ops and now they can afford to shift some traffic to SEA.


It's pretty obvious that all three are in direct competition with AS...and SEA-IAD also with UA. I'm still trying to figure out where the gate resource is coming from. Do these three flights necessarily connect to Asia? I didn't check.

I'm still a little bit surprised that DL hasn't started SEA-DFW and maybe SEA-IAH.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:44 pm

SEEms that Aruba and Montego, along with a tad of Curaçao will take STR and SXM traffic for AA. Surprised that they are completely gone from Charlotte though.

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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:54 pm

flymco753 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
enilria wrote:
I think they were waiting for the A350 because it cut capacity on their East Coast Asia ops and now they can afford to shift some traffic to SEA.

Unless the timing is better no (or very very very very few) HVCs are going to fly from the west coast when they have options over DTW. Also the capacity lost on DTW-ICN/PVG from going 744 to 359 is being shifted over ATL with the new PVG flights and newish ICN flights, plus higher capacity to ATL.
Ever since DL introduced the A350 on DTW-NRT/ICN, the planes have been more full with O&D travel on the Detroit end, essentially it’s the same amount of O&D or a tad bit more since the 747 retired, but with the reduction of seats, DL is filling DTW-Asia A350 flights with more O&D. It also accounts into ticket prices, ever since DL put the 359 on DTW-PEK, unbelievable $750 RT’s have been up for sale. I’ve seen ICN and NRT dip slightly below 1K too.

My point is, the A350 is selling seats at a lower price and that’s driving local demand up on both ends, not tremendously but it’s an increase. It’ll be interesting to see what it does in LAX and ATL, I haven’t seen ticket prices dip below 1K yet in those markets.

The same amount of people are flying on the A350 that were flying on the 747 but fares are down? With lower capacity?


Basic economics say that is completely wrong. :shakehead: :shakehead:
Got any data that supports this?



fares to PEK, ICN and PVG might be lower but as I said in the post you quoted it is because all of those cities have seen capacity increases (or in PVGs case is going to see a capacity increase)
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:01 pm

enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

I think they were waiting for the A350 because it cut capacity on their East Coast Asia ops and now they can afford to shift some traffic to SEA.


That would make sense. Thanks enlira for these weekly posts!
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:08 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
I assume ET is swapping LFW for ABJ to EWR?

Appears to be in addition to Lome. This article implies a mimic of that service pattern
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:14 pm

DDR wrote:
"Agree with all of that. I think AA has no business in BOS-PIT (literally)."

AA has a very strong frequent flyer base in PIT that it acquired from US Airways. AA also has a pretty good ff base in BOS. As long as fares stay at a profitable level, I think AA will be fine.


AA FF base in PIT? From the US cuts that started fifteen years ago and had reduced the hub to 68 flights by 2010? I'm not sure the memories are happy ones.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:19 pm

Can someone explain to me how to read these schedule changes? How should I read this:


AA PHL-SXM MAY 0.5>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.6>0.1


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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:22 pm

enilria wrote:
AC BOS-YVR JUN 0.3>1.0

Pretty big add, wonder if it could go year round at some point?
enilria wrote:
Another round of BOS adds
DL BOS-BNA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.8>3 SEP 1.3>3
*DL BOS-CHS JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.0>1.0
DL BOS-JAX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>1.7
DL BOS-MCI JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7 AUG 0.9>1.9 SEP 0.7>1.6
DL BOS-PIT JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3

Delta really is aiming for those 150 departures a day.
enilria wrote:
FI BOS-KEF JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4

5 BOS-KEF flights a day might be overkill.
enilria wrote:
UX BOS-MAD JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.2>0

Another misfile maybe, they have been on and off about this route.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:23 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

I think they were waiting for the A350 because it cut capacity on their East Coast Asia ops and now they can afford to shift some traffic to SEA.


It's pretty obvious that all three are in direct competition with AS...and SEA-IAD also with UA. I'm still trying to figure out where the gate resource is coming from. Do these three flights necessarily connect to Asia? I didn't check.

I'm still a little bit surprised that DL hasn't started SEA-DFW and maybe SEA-IAH.


SEA-ICN/NRT/PVG/HKG/PEK depart from 1144 to 1557 - at least on 3 Jul 18. The new IAD/MCI-SEA flights connect to all of it (although with some lengthy waits on three). IND-SEA misses all of it.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:43 pm

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The Marriott/Starwood hotel(s) in STT are not taking reservations through at least May. I imagine there are several other resorts in the same boat. So it is hard to imagine there is demand for more than a handful of flights to the US.


The major resorts will be closed at least until fall(some until 2019). Yacht charters and villas are generally operating normally.

The hotels in San Juan have mostly all re-opened, hence the flights added back.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:44 pm

Looks like the Delta dartboard is back!
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:45 pm

DL GEG-MSP SEP 3>1.8

I wonder why the cut in flights?
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:49 pm

The DL SEA additions seem like logical plays for SEA point-of-sale corporate customers. SEA-MCI also gives some good new MCI-Asia routings.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:01 pm

The DOT will have to give final word on DEC somewhat soon. ORD will be a new station for 9K so they need time to set up a counter and get ground handling/staff. I assume they'll work out of the small area that Air Choice One operates out of at the end of L, but that check in desk area at the far end of T3 near L has been chopped up so many times, they'll have a hard time jamming another operator in. Maybe they'll use the B6 counter since they have an existing relationship with them.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:07 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
Good morning enilria - thanks for the post!

enilria wrote:
B6 BDL-SJU MAY 1.0>1.5 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
B6 MCO-BQN MAY 1.5>2.0
B6 MCO-SJU MAR 4>5


More signs that PR is rebounding after the devastating hurricane. Glad to see bookings are strong enough to add back capacity.

enilria wrote:
Another round of BOS adds
DL BOS-BNA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.8>3 SEP 1.3>3
*DL BOS-CHS JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.0>1.0
DL BOS-JAX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>1.7
DL BOS-MCI JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7 AUG 0.9>1.9 SEP 0.7>1.6
DL BOS-PIT JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3

Interesting that BOS-PIT is going up to 3x. Will this be the straw that causes AA to finally call it quits? (B6 also flies this 6x and commands very high average fares.)

Despite iffy load factors sometimes, there doesn't appear to be any indication whatsoever that AA is done with this route. They still have strong FF/OneWorld bases at both ends of the route.

PIT-BOS is at the highest level of competition it's ever been. B6 is already 6x daily and they've upgraded the morning departure to an A320 this month.
 
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RE: 4 BOS-KEF on Icelandair

I haven't looked or bothered to try to find, but what is the breakdown of the departures here, and are they on the Max or all 757?

In attending Icelandair Waves in 2016 I know in talking with some of the folks from IceAir that BOS was still their top market out of the U.S., and once the 737 came on, four a day on the route didn't seem as a "far off" idea, with a potential morning departures out of BOS in the mix.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:24 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
Good morning enilria - thanks for the post!
enilria wrote:
Another round of BOS adds
DL BOS-BNA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.8>3 SEP 1.3>3
*DL BOS-CHS JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.0>1.0
DL BOS-JAX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>1.7
DL BOS-MCI JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7 AUG 0.9>1.9 SEP 0.7>1.6
DL BOS-PIT JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3

Quite impressive, but not surprising given DL's stated goal to get to 150 flights @ BOS. I think the constant DL build-up is the "never-ending" response to B6's entrance to ATL and (BOS-)LGA, and MSP in May.


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Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:30 pm

stlgph wrote:
RE: 4 BOS-KEF on Icelandair

I haven't looked or bothered to try to find, but what is the breakdown of the departures here, and are they on the Max or all 757?

In attending Icelandair Waves in 2016 I know in talking with some of the folks from IceAir that BOS was still their top market out of the U.S., and once the 737 came on, four a day on the route didn't seem as a "far off" idea, with a potential morning departures out of BOS in the mix.


4x daily to BOS on Icelandair alone, 3 carriers to DFW, UA, DL, Icelandair multiple-daily and WW to New York... What's O&D now to Iceland.

In 2011 there were only 269.8 PDEW from ALL of the U.S. to Iceland. https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/25-global-aviation-appendix-a.pdf

And in 2003 there were only 98.7 PDEW!
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:34 pm

I think once the expansion of the N-gates are complete, I think some we'll additional airlines moving from the A and B concourses to the D concourse. That would definitely free up a few gates for DL expansion.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:34 pm

*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
DL SEA-LAS JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5
*DL SEA-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
DL SEA-MCO SEP 1.5>1.0

With the exception of SEA-MCO, great, solid adds and increases! So much for SEA struggling. Sure, they don't connect to Asian flights, but they're well-timed for SEA O&D. SEA-MCI is on an E7W, SEA-IND is on an A319, and SEA-IAD is on a 738.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:40 pm

I've been trying to keep track of FI's summer schedule for North America and I have a spreadsheet I made last November with what was available at Google Flights at that time. A lot of things seem to have changed since then. Now it seems like the morning bank of flights out of KEF has been reduced to a single daily BOS flight. I wonder how trustworthy this is.
 
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:41 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
enilria wrote:
I think they were waiting for the A350 because it cut capacity on their East Coast Asia ops and now they can afford to shift some traffic to SEA.


It's pretty obvious that all three are in direct competition with AS...and SEA-IAD also with UA. I'm still trying to figure out where the gate resource is coming from. Do these three flights necessarily connect to Asia? I didn't check.

I'm still a little bit surprised that DL hasn't started SEA-DFW and maybe SEA-IAH.


SEA-ICN/NRT/PVG/HKG/PEK depart from 1144 to 1557 - at least on 3 Jul 18. The new IAD/MCI-SEA flights connect to all of it (although with some lengthy waits on three). IND-SEA misses all of it.


IND-SEA is more about competing with AS, right now DL is selling its fares $100 cheaper, and the flights are scheduled to depart IND at literally the exact same time. DL has been really defensive at IND as of late, so the timing of the flight doesn't surprise me...
2018: IND, ORD, TPA, Loading....
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:56 pm

dc10lover wrote:
DL GEG-MSP SEP 3>1.8

I wonder why the cut in flights?


They flew approximately 2.3 flights a day last September (about 11x weekly 739, 5x weekly MD90) and load factor was about 90.1%.
The schedule looks like (1x 739 1x MD90) for September, and fares are quite high, so they're probably trying to redirect a bit of capacity to their new markets (which are probably low-yielding compared to the markets they took capacity away from...but...its analogous to the old Cincinnati squeeze which is now on hold): high fares and low capacity to move planes to New York, Los Angeles, and Seattle). They make less money in the short term, by moving capacity to "strategic" markets, and it hurts monopoly markets (high fares), but its good for Delta's business in the long term.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:12 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

It's pretty obvious that all three are in direct competition with AS...and SEA-IAD also with UA. I'm still trying to figure out where the gate resource is coming from. Do these three flights necessarily connect to Asia? I didn't check.

I'm still a little bit surprised that DL hasn't started SEA-DFW and maybe SEA-IAH.


SEA-ICN/NRT/PVG/HKG/PEK depart from 1144 to 1557 - at least on 3 Jul 18. The new IAD/MCI-SEA flights connect to all of it (although with some lengthy waits on three). IND-SEA misses all of it.


IND-SEA is more about competing with AS, right now DL is selling its fares $100 cheaper, and the flights are scheduled to depart IND at literally the exact same time. DL has been really defensive at IND as of late, so the timing of the flight doesn't surprise me...


Most IND-Asia traffic on DL is probably flowed through DTW or LAX (or ATL).
HKG-SEA-IND works in one direction on DL, Hawaii the same way, connections only work eastbound.
It looks like the only connections westbound without an overnight layover are Alaska, and regional cities: PDX, SFO, etc.
I wish they had tried an eastbound redeye/morning westbound flight. I know LAX uses this schedule and SLC is similar with a morning IND departure; they may want to hit different West Coast time channels with each flight, but it seems like IND-SEA will be dependent almost entirely on local O&D.

Its interesting to note that AS pads their IND-SEA schedule by an extra half-hour compared to DL!
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:37 pm

knope2001 wrote:

enilria wrote:
3E DEC-ORD FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3
3E DEC-STL FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3

These are both 3E and 9K? They aren't both flying are they?
9K DEC-ORD FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>4 APR 0>4 MAY 0>4 JUN 0>4 JUL 0>4 AUG 0>4 SEP 0>4

9K DEC-STL FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7


No word from the DoT just yet but DEC will only be one airline. Almost certainly a few months from now 3E will be out but it's possible it may still be OO and not 9K.


Right now it is scheduled to change over on Feb 14. If that holds Air Choice One will have their last day on Feb 13.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:38 pm

717atOGG wrote:
*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
DL SEA-LAS JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5
*DL SEA-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
DL SEA-MCO SEP 1.5>1.0

With the exception of SEA-MCO, great, solid adds and increases! So much for SEA struggling. Sure, they don't connect to Asian flights, but they're well-timed for SEA O&D. SEA-MCI is on an E7W, SEA-IND is on an A319, and SEA-IAD is on a 738.


I think the decrement in tne SEA-MCO route is seasonal. Ironically, SEA-MCO is a relative off-peak market during the summer.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:52 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
enilria wrote:
AC BOS-YVR JUN 0.3>1.0

Pretty big add, wonder if it could go year round at some point?
enilria wrote:
Another round of BOS adds
DL BOS-BNA JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.8>3 SEP 1.3>3
*DL BOS-CHS JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.0>1.0
DL BOS-JAX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>1.7
DL BOS-MCI JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7 AUG 0.9>1.9 SEP 0.7>1.6
DL BOS-PIT JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3

Delta really is aiming for those 150 departures a day.

BOS-YVR was operating seasonal every day from June until I believe sometime Sep. I think they are continuing with the same route.
DL has added some good routes from Logan and look to be committed here. DUB seasonal is also supposed to be start sometime first week of May. AUS, BUF, PIT, MKE, CHS, SAV, MSY, DUB - these are pretty good adds. I think DL flight planners maybe just looking at all the flights B6 has a monopoly and have them added. :)
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:57 pm

stlgph wrote:
RE: 4 BOS-KEF on Icelandair

I haven't looked or bothered to try to find, but what is the breakdown of the departures here, and are they on the Max or all 757?

In attending Icelandair Waves in 2016 I know in talking with some of the folks from IceAir that BOS was still their top market out of the U.S., and once the 737 came on, four a day on the route didn't seem as a "far off" idea, with a potential morning departures out of BOS in the mix.

I would imagine it would be on 1x 767 and on 3x 757 a day. Similar to last year just one extra 757.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:09 pm

enilria wrote:
FAQ


UA IAD-YVR JUN 0.3>0.1 JUL 0.3>0.1 AUG 0.2>0.1

How long has UA been flying this route? I remember AC did this seasonally years ago, but was unaware that UA had picked it up.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:19 pm

*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

If you need a non-stop and can't fly SEA-DCA, this would seem to be your next best bet. Seems corporate driven.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:29 pm

drdisque wrote:
The DOT will have to give final word on DEC somewhat soon. ORD will be a new station for 9K so they need time to set up a counter and get ground handling/staff. I assume they'll work out of the small area that Air Choice One operates out of at the end of L, but that check in desk area at the far end of T3 near L has been chopped up so many times, they'll have a hard time jamming another operator in. Maybe they'll use the B6 counter since they have an existing relationship with them.


Both carriers will use the counter where ACO currently operates at.. Additionally, the 2 EAS gates at the end of L (L11a/b) will be shared as common use. ACO also plans to operate the Beech 1900 into ORD as they expand.

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