eamondzhang
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:02 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
:checkmark: Domestic China is so constrained that it's easier to send planes abroad, never mind more high profile. And on a related note, also because of things like this:

c933103 wrote:
I am reading a report that wrote, in year 2017-2019, Shenzhen is giving every new intercontinental route subsidies according to the following standard
For every route that have more than 2 flights per weeks, in their first year of operation, flight to Europe, North America and Africa will receive 100 Million Yuan subsidy while it is 80 Million for Oceania and Arabic peninsula. 75% for the second year and 50% for the third year.

I am aware of there are subsidies for flights from some airports but didn't realize it's this much...

Indeed. A lot of routes are offer with something similar. Last year TAO-FRA was given a ¥136 Million Yuan's subsidy, and the subsidy given to TAO-MEL is almost the same amount as the FRA one. That's precisely why you see so many secondary-tier Chinese cities are linked with overseas destinations and the seats are sold like a fire sale.

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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:11 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
That argument works both ways though - if the flights are cheap enough ex-MFM (with prices lowered by fewer slot restrictions and lower landing fees, compared to HKG), people from HKG may consider using a JQ MFM - SYD flight, instead of a CX or QF HKG - SYD flight.


Except the inverse doesn't work nearly as well as HKG->MFM. After the HK-Macau(-Zhuhai) Bridge open, the HK-side entrance to the bridge is literally adjacent to HKG airport, while going from more central part of Hong Kong to Macau (and v.v.) is a much longer journey even with the bridge, as that basically involved driving to HKG airport, then add some times to cross the border to Macau, and then still have to cross from mainland part of Macau into Taipa to the airport.


It is certainly more cumbersome, but just like nowadays there are already many people from Hong Kong using SZX and many people from Shenzhen using HKG, it shows that people would use alternative airport further out and across the border when price/options are right.

And, MFM also has a shuttle bus service that would shuttle travellers to/from MFM to land or sea port without entering Macau so you don't even need to pass through the Macanese border check to use the MFM airport if you are willing to wait for the bus.
 
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:53 pm

c933103 wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
That argument works both ways though - if the flights are cheap enough ex-MFM (with prices lowered by fewer slot restrictions and lower landing fees, compared to HKG), people from HKG may consider using a JQ MFM - SYD flight, instead of a CX or QF HKG - SYD flight.


Except the inverse doesn't work nearly as well as HKG->MFM. After the HK-Macau(-Zhuhai) Bridge open, the HK-side entrance to the bridge is literally adjacent to HKG airport, while going from more central part of Hong Kong to Macau (and v.v.) is a much longer journey even with the bridge, as that basically involved driving to HKG airport, then add some times to cross the border to Macau, and then still have to cross from mainland part of Macau into Taipa to the airport.


It is certainly more cumbersome, but just like nowadays there are already many people from Hong Kong using SZX and many people from Shenzhen using HKG, it shows that people would use alternative airport further out and across the border when price/options are right.

And, MFM also has a shuttle bus service that would shuttle travellers to/from MFM to land or sea port without entering Macau so you don't even need to pass through the Macanese border check to use the MFM airport if you are willing to wait for the bus.


To be fair, SZX and HKG do compliment each other more - SZX with a lot more flights to 2nd/3rd tier Chinese cities (and usually much cheaper), HKG still have a lot more long-haul flights than SZX.

Unless there is a Ryanair style expansion at MFM (never say never :lol: ), for HK people it will always be way down the list of option. No, the current amount of LCC is not close to enough.
 
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:08 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
Ah, the famous Air China panini (did I get the carrier right?) ;)

Yes, it was Air China from PEK to Yuncheng.

Best regards from Jiamusi...
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:58 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
c933103 wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:

Except the inverse doesn't work nearly as well as HKG->MFM. After the HK-Macau(-Zhuhai) Bridge open, the HK-side entrance to the bridge is literally adjacent to HKG airport, while going from more central part of Hong Kong to Macau (and v.v.) is a much longer journey even with the bridge, as that basically involved driving to HKG airport, then add some times to cross the border to Macau, and then still have to cross from mainland part of Macau into Taipa to the airport.


It is certainly more cumbersome, but just like nowadays there are already many people from Hong Kong using SZX and many people from Shenzhen using HKG, it shows that people would use alternative airport further out and across the border when price/options are right.

And, MFM also has a shuttle bus service that would shuttle travellers to/from MFM to land or sea port without entering Macau so you don't even need to pass through the Macanese border check to use the MFM airport if you are willing to wait for the bus.


To be fair, SZX and HKG do compliment each other more - SZX with a lot more flights to 2nd/3rd tier Chinese cities (and usually much cheaper), HKG still have a lot more long-haul flights than SZX.

Unless there is a Ryanair style expansion at MFM (never say never :lol: ), for HK people it will always be way down the list of option. No, the current amount of LCC is not close to enough.

I recall that, on AirAsia's HK/MO homepage, they listed discount fare for flights departing from Hong Kong as well as discount fare for flights departing from Macau side by side. I would assume it would at least draw some travellers into trying to check out how much it would cost to depart from Macau instead of Hong Kong and if the fare difference far exceeded the cost of travelling to Macau then I would expect them to be able to gain some tourist on their Macau flights in this way.
 
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:17 pm

Apart from when Viva Macau existed, I can't really think of another instance where Hongkongers travelled to Macau to fly. There has been some cases where avgeeks cross the delta to catch particular aircraft (Such as FE's short-lived MFM-KHH flight operated by the MD82). SZX catches some HKG pax due to it's close location, being only a fews of tens of kilometres from the northern regions of HKG, and that there are car companies that specifically target this market by providing direct private car transport from Hongkong to SZX airport.
MFM is much less accessible due to the lack of direct land transport there. Passengers would need to catch a ferry, which is quite inconvenient when compared to hopping onto a private car headed directly to SZX.
 
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:02 pm

VRHNM wrote:
Apart from when Viva Macau existed, I can't really think of another instance where Hongkongers travelled to Macau to fly. There has been some cases where avgeeks cross the delta to catch particular aircraft (Such as FE's short-lived MFM-KHH flight operated by the MD82).
I have seen and joined some HK tour group that fly from Macau last decade... Not sure whether they are still a thing.
SZX catches some HKG pax due to it's close location, being only a fews of tens of kilometres from the northern regions of HKG, and that there are car companies that specifically target this market by providing direct private car transport from Hongkong to SZX airport.

There are actually many tourists from Taiwan fly to MFM instead of HKG when visiting Hong Kong in past few years, as most of those Taiwan LCC (before their closure) fly to MFM but not HKG, or offer more seats to MFM than HKG.
MFM is much less accessible due to the lack of direct land transport there. Passengers would need to catch a ferry, which is quite inconvenient when compared to hopping onto a private car headed directly to SZX.

Let's see what will be the arrangement for the HK-ZH-MO bridge after its opening later this year.
 
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:52 am

Sichuan Airlines has placed a $3.2 billion order for 10 Airbus A350-900XWB to supplement the 4 leased A359s, including the panda special livery. The airline is also planning on launching 4 long-haul routes in 2018. Planned destinations include Cairo, Tel Aviv, Copenhagen, and Boston.

Source: http://sichuan.scol.com.cn/ggxw/201802/56079848.html

Sichuan Airlines A359 will be featuring the Zodiac Cirrus seats with 16" screens in Business Class. The seats were displayed at the Sichuan Airshow last year.
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:38 pm

kaichinshih wrote:
Sichuan Airlines has placed a $3.2 billion order for 10 Airbus A350-900XWB to supplement the 4 leased A359s, including the panda special livery. The airline is also planning on launching 4 long-haul routes in 2018. Planned destinations include Cairo, Tel Aviv, Copenhagen, and Boston.

Source: http://sichuan.scol.com.cn/ggxw/201802/56079848.html

Sichuan Airlines A359 will be featuring the Zodiac Cirrus seats with 16" screens in Business Class. The seats were displayed at the Sichuan Airshow last year.
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I would absolutely love seeing them fly to Boston, but highly doubt it will happen.
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:32 pm

c933103 wrote:
SZX catches some HKG pax due to it's close location, being only a fews of tens of kilometres from the northern regions of HKG, and that there are car companies that specifically target this market by providing direct private car transport from Hongkong to SZX airport.


There are actually many tourists from Taiwan fly to MFM instead of HKG when visiting Hong Kong in past few years, as most of those Taiwan LCC (before their closure) fly to MFM but not HKG, or offer more seats to MFM than HKG.


Tigerair Taiwan still only fly to MFM but not HKG. UO (HK Express) does not fly to TPE, only RMQ and HUN (RIP to those that die in the earthquake :tombstone: ). Of course, HX is so cheap that make the LCC discussion somewhat irrelevant anyway.

On a side note, KA annouced 4/wk service to TNA:
https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/ ... jinan.html

KA 960 HKG 1955 TNA 2315 1246 320
KA 961 TNA 0815 HKG 1130 2357 320

(Talk about awful time...though, at least for HKG pax)
 
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:47 pm

Speaking of which, is TPE going to build a third runway?
 
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:13 am

c933103 wrote:
Speaking of which, is TPE going to build a third runway?

supposed to, ready 2025
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/ ... 2003663457
 
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:13 pm

The English language is pretty firmly entrenched as the international language, and it's difficult to foresee any other language supplanting it. Chinese is certainly the world's most widely spoken native tongue and will no doubt become the world number one economic power for a long time to come. But these analyses ignore that English is by far the most popular second language. It is the lingua franca in Europe, India, Pakistan, Nigeria, and a number of other countries. It is spoken by nearly every educated person there (at least younger ones in the case of Europe). The combined populations and economies of those countries, plus the Anglosphere, will always be far larger than that of China alone. Chinese will certainly become more common as China becomes increasingly economically preeminent, but what matters in establishing an international language is the number of speakers as a second language, not as a native language.
 
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Re: Greater China Thread - 2018

Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:53 pm

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/16/1713 ... in-tickets
Seems like so far the idea is that if you behave badly on a flight, then other than no fly list, you would also be barred from taking trains and such, and if you conducted inappropriately on a train you would also be banned from flights?

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