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Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:09 pm

I LOVE the new livery on VH-ZND. Each different to the previous, shows the diversity of indigenous art. Each one telling a different DREAMING STORY. Each artist and artwork deserves some respect. But everyone's a critic thanks to (un)social media. lol
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:12 am

Going back to the DRW topic, Im surprised there hasn't been a re- timing of the Jetstar SIN service to connect to QF flights to LHR as used to be the case. The current timing relies purely on O&D demand, An evening flight could also allow for connections from BME, ASP and CNS.
While it is a low yield market, i wonder if a QF 737 would be a better option, and would allow a few business seats for connections to Europe, and compete against the full service offering of Silk/SQ, bearing in mind there used to be a 3X ? weekly flight on a 333
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:59 am

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Batik's LF in November was averaging 35%. Malindo's was better at 65%. Still a joke when JQ is at 90%.

They should actually concentrate on building some brand recognition in Australia because they have none.


Maybe secondary is a winner. Perth to Bali has a gazillion flights and a new entrant is fighting the established players.

A shedload of people from, for e.g., Newcastle go to Bali ( like everywhere else in Australia). Maybe first mover advantage comes into play.


Maybe they could go REALLY regional, consider VA does a PHE-DPS service, from other AU FIFO locations maybe?
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:04 am

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Batik's LF in November was averaging 35%. Malindo's was better at 65%. Still a joke when JQ is at 90%.

They should actually concentrate on building some brand recognition in Australia because they have none.


Maybe secondary is a winner. Perth to Bali has a gazillion flights and a new entrant is fighting the established players.

A shedload of people from, for e.g., Newcastle go to Bali ( like everywhere else in Australia). Maybe first mover advantage comes into play.


Maybe they could go REALLY regional, consider VA does a PHE-DPS service, from other AU FIFO locations maybe?

There are a lot of bigger cities with lower risks to try first, such as NTL and OOL.

Western Australia can already be reached using their existing aircraft - the focus is on using the range of the new A320neoLR's.

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Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:52 am

Interesting little article about the CAT III-B upgrade at Perth
Should stop the diversions over to Adelaide.

https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... b88740246z
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:30 pm

First flight for ZND has been filed, should be departed PAE for its B1 flight soon

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KMWH
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QF will reduce SYD-DFW to 6 weekly in August, flight wont operate on Wednesday's from 8 August through to 29 August
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QF will use A388 on SYD HKG from 28 June to 2 August according to QF schedules
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:32 pm

ZND looks grand but it is the case, fair or not, that it's going to be judged as a complete piece against what QF have done before and in my mind it does fall a little short - better than Mendoowoorrji, which to me always looked a bit unfinished (and the black line on the forward fuselage had a whiff of "unrepaired damaged" :/ ) but I can't help but feel the 787's shape would have suited an all-over design so well.

Something like Yananyi in particular I think would have gone down a real treat, but equally a Nalanji-style treatment with a slightly darker blue. Not a complaint by any means but sometimes you just can't help imagining what might have been...
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:15 pm

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Going back to the DRW topic, Im surprised there hasn't been a re- timing of the Jetstar SIN service to connect to QF flights to LHR as used to be the case. The current timing relies purely on O&D demand, An evening flight could also allow for connections from BME, ASP and CNS.
While it is a low yield market, i wonder if a QF 737 would be a better option, and would allow a few business seats for connections to Europe, and compete against the full service offering of Silk/SQ, bearing in mind there used to be a 3X ? weekly flight on a 333

A few things have changed in the DRW market... there is now an economic downturn after a construction boom and Jetstar's purpose is point-to-point traffic, not connections. Also- and this point needs to be driven home- the Northern Territory population is under 250,000 people and about half live in Darwin- so all the fanciful talk from some posters about a DRW hub is completely unrealistic.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:23 pm

This is interesting:

Analysts are questiioning QANTAS's current CAPEX spending:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... di-445939/

https://www.ausbt.com.au/can-qantas-aff ... ource=grid

....and a previous article on QANTAS's future CAPEX requirements.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-seeks-f ... -a350-jets
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:58 pm

eta unknown wrote:
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Going back to the DRW topic, Im surprised there hasn't been a re- timing of the Jetstar SIN service to connect to QF flights to LHR as used to be the case. The current timing relies purely on O&D demand, An evening flight could also allow for connections from BME, ASP and CNS.
While it is a low yield market, i wonder if a QF 737 would be a better option, and would allow a few business seats for connections to Europe, and compete against the full service offering of Silk/SQ, bearing in mind there used to be a 3X ? weekly flight on a 333

A few things have changed in the DRW market... there is now an economic downturn after a construction boom and Jetstar's purpose is point-to-point traffic, not connections. Also- and this point needs to be driven home- the Northern Territory population is under 250,000 people and about half live in Darwin- so all the fanciful talk from some posters about a DRW hub is completely unrealistic.

The point about a hub is that it’s not reliant on point to point traffic!
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The point about a hub is that it’s not reliant on point to point traffic!


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A DRW "hub" should not rely on Darwin traffic.

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The point about a hub is that it’s not reliant on point to point traffic!


Successful hubs rely on both connecting and O&D passengers. DRW does not have sufficient O&D to be successful.

A hub operation is expensive; you need a lot of airport capacity for a very brief point of time each day. US airlines have found this to their detriment and have reduced the number of hubs they operate. Airports such as SIN are much more efficient hubs as they are busy all day and don't have huge amounts of idle capacity sitting around waiting for the next bank.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:26 pm

Analysts are questiioning QANTAS's current CAPEX spending


QF did slow down their capex in recent years as they recovered from their well publicised financial woes. Their fleet age now sits at 10.5 years which is at the upper end of their stated desired range but it is not particularly old by world standards. US airlines have an average fleet age of around 15 years. Asian airlines tend to maintain younger fleets with airlines such as SQ have a fleet age of around 8 years.

VA's fleet is quite young by world standards at around 7 years reflecting its rolling over of its oldest 738s as they came off lease. Qantas still has all its original VX* 738s which are now around 16 years old.

Realistically Qantas' next big fleet decision is the rollover/replacement of the 737s. They represent around 50% of the mainline fleet. Much is made of the glamour decision regarding the ULH 777 or A350 but it will only be a very small part of the fleet. Whilst fuel remains cheap, there is no rush to replace the A330s. There capital cost is now low or even fully depreciated so their total operating cost is less than replacing the A330s with expensive new 787s.

Narrowbodies are highly tradeable aircraft so QF will have no issue in getting lease finance for these regardless of whether they choose 737 MAX or A320NEOs. The ULH market is much more restricted so lease companies may get a bit leery at financing these so it is possible that QF will lease finance the narrowbodies whilst outright purchasing the smaller ULH fleet.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:31 pm

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Analysts are questiioning QANTAS's current CAPEX spending


QF did slow down their capex in recent years as they recovered from their well publicised financial woes. Their fleet age now sits at 10.5 years which is at the upper end of their stated desired range but it is not particularly old by world standards. US airlines have an average fleet age of around 15 years. Asian airlines tend to maintain younger fleets with airlines such as SQ have a fleet age of around 8 years.

VA's fleet is quite young by world standards at around 7 years reflecting its rolling over of its oldest 738s as they came off lease. Qantas still has all its original VX* 738s which are now around 16 years old.

Realistically Qantas' next big fleet decision is the rollover/replacement of the 737s. They represent around 50% of the mainline fleet. Much is made of the glamour decision regarding the ULH 777 or A350 but it will only be a very small part of the fleet. Whilst fuel remains cheap, there is no rush to replace the A330s. There capital cost is now low or even fully depreciated so their total operating cost is less than replacing the A330s with expensive new 787s.

Narrowbodies are highly tradeable aircraft so QF will have no issue in getting lease finance for these regardless of whether they choose 737 MAX or A320NEOs. The ULH market is much more restricted so lease companies may get a bit leery at financing these so it is possible that QF will lease finance the narrowbodies whilst outright purchasing the smaller ULH fleet.



Agree.

I don’t agree with the analysts assessment at all. If you think it through. The jumbos are going to be replaced by the 787s in a year or two. The A380s are not going anywhere for at least 10 years, neither are are the A330s. They will be prudent with their cash and replace long haul planes with 787s or 777 (!) as the time comes. There is no need for qantas to spend $5bn next year replacing all of its long haul aircraft.

The big decision is the 737 but even then, they can afford to buy or lease handfuls of 737s for the capex that gets thrown at the long haul fleet.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:32 pm

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A hub operation is expensive; you need a lot of airport capacity for a very brief point of time each day. US airlines have found this to their detriment and have reduced the number of hubs they operate. Airports such as SIN are much more efficient hubs as they are busy all day and don't have huge amounts of idle capacity sitting around waiting for the next bank.


I don't think anyone is comparing DRW to SUN - even twenty years down the track. And "hub" is simply shorthand, in this case for connecting point.

For these purposes, DRW's value is in its proximity to nearer Asia, those places in Asia that are extremely unlikely to get non-stop service from South Eastern Oz but which have a market - Surabaya for example, or Penang or Kota Kinabalu, which has some fine beach resorts.

Yes, you can get to those places with Asian airlines, but why not give that money to an Australian airline - if it existed, of course. Image

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Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:33 pm

In its draft determination, the ACCC has proposed to grant reauthourisation to Qantas' and Emirates' coordination agreement. There will be no capacity conditions, however the ACCC have imposed a reporting condition on SYD-CHC and can force QF/EK add seats on SYD-CHC if it believes they're restricting seats to increase airfares.

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Wow looks amazing!! :)
 
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From those pictures I'm not quite sure. I definitely think it's better than Mendoowoorrji but not quite Yananyi, Wunala or Nalanji. From those pictures I don't like how the design abruptly stops underneath the Qantas titles if it continued to taper down and wrap around underneath the fuselage it would look better IMHO. Apart from that I do like the colours and how the red blends into ochre.

Also I don't like how it was released in the paintshop without a shot with a decent angle. It would've been far more spectacular to keep it hidden with a middle of the night depature, then the big reveal as it lands at YBAS with the MacDonnells in the background.


THEY FIXED IT! And it looks fantastic. It's a bit odd that they would release pictures of it half finished.
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:16 am

I don't believe they've changed anything. From the photos I've seen from the first flight, the port side looks the same as it did in the gallery attached to the media release. The starboard side just carries the design through further forward on the fuselage. The photos I'm talking about are on Instagram somewhere.
 
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They didn't 'FIX' anything. It wasn't 'HALF FINISHED'! . DeltaB717 explains it well. Just like the other QF flying art, one side is not a mirror image of the other side. Its a painting by an artist, which is adapted by Balarinji with RESPECT to the indigenous culture and the artist. Some really need to educate themselves!
And YES IT LOOKS AMAZING AT ALL ANGLES :D end of rant. happy flying :)
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:42 am

Another pic of ZND on a different angle

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http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... en-flight/
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Another pic of ZND on a different angle

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http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... en-flight/



I like it !
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:17 am

Im liking it a lot too.

Think they should have brought the pattern out along the starboard wing somehow though to help it flow.
 
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A beautiful look. Can't wait until I see it in the flesh.
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They didn't 'FIX' anything. It wasn't 'HALF FINISHED'! . DeltaB717 explains it well. Just like the other QF flying art, one side is not a mirror image of the other side. Its a painting by an artist, which is adapted by Balarinji with RESPECT to the indigenous culture and the artist. Some really need to educate themselves!
And YES IT LOOKS AMAZING AT ALL ANGLES :D end of rant. happy flying :)


Silly me, I didn't notice I was looking at the other side of the fuselage but yes overall it's amazing. I can't wait to see it when it arrives in Australia. Consider me re-educated.
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:54 am

Darwin is an interesting proposition but ultimately what kills these great ideas is Australia’s huge distances and lack of people.

As soon as you start flying into Australia from Asia you’re talking long flights. Even from Darwin we’re talking 4 hours to most of the capitals. For low cost carriers that make their money from bags, coffee and scratch cards, flying fewer and longer sectors is hard work. Shorter flights, more take off, more over priced coffee equals more profit. Once you hit the Australian continent the flight time goes up considerably.

The other thing to consider is that what places are we talking about flying to in Asia? All the key places that Aussies regularly go are covered (SIN, HKG and TYO). Are there enough Aussies flying to Da Nang to need a daily flight?

Is the answer a 737 that can easily fly from Sydney to Hong Kong, Chang Mai, Bangkok, Da Nang, etc? Again we’re taking huge flying times and anywhere not already served is low yield tourist.

As much as I’d love to step on a plane in Perth and get to anywhere in Asia... I can’t see my days of connecting in Singers ending any time soon.

(Although London is about to be a nail in coffin!!!)
 
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As much as I’d love to step on a plane in Perth and get to anywhere in Asia... I can’t see my days of connecting in Singers ending any time soon.

(Although London is about to be a nail in coffin!!!)


Indeed 5 weeks to go by the way

Here's a quick clip on what to do on a Perth stopover

https://twitter.com/WestAustralia/statu ... 9813016577
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Looks like QF9 MEL-DXB went tech last night (VH-OQE), departed about 12 hours later (VH-OQC)
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As a result of VH-OQE going unserviceable and QF9 being delayed 12 hours, an aircraft swap took place and as a result QF93 was today delayed 24 hours.
 
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As a result of VH-OQE going unserviceable and QF9 being delayed 12 hours, an aircraft swap took place and as a result QF93 was today delayed 24 hours.


Surprised with a B789 operating East-West why didn’t they just sub the A380 unless the loads couldn’t justify it.

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As a result of VH-OQE going unserviceable and QF9 being delayed 12 hours, an aircraft swap took place and as a result QF93 was today delayed 24 hours.


Surprised with a B789 operating East-West why didn’t they just sub the A380 unless the loads couldn’t justify it.

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Originally the delay was just 6 hours - they must have thought they could fix the aircraft.

By the time the 6 hour delay expanded to 24 hours, the 787 was in Perth. Plus crewing may have been an issue.
 
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China Eastern to commence trail flights into Perth from October... fingers crossed it does well

https://thewest.com.au/news/tourism/pus ... b88748428z
 
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Jetstar Japan adding 3 a320 to the fleet in 2018 followed by another 4 in 2018 taking it to 28 a320.
 
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^^I suspect "adding another 4 in 2019" is what you meant to say?
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^^I suspect "adding another 4 in 2019" is what you meant to say?


Yes...sorry for the typo.
 
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Alliance Airlines expects an increase of 40% to flying time of its fleet in 2017/2018 due to a increase in activity in the resources sector plus growing regular public transport and wet leases operations

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... ing-hours/
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Anyone know what's up with QF7? It departed Sydney Sunday and looks like it's still stuck at IAH.
 
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Anyone know what's up with QF7? It departed Sydney Sunday and looks like it's still stuck at IAH.


The first question should be why it diverted to IAH ?

After that you could be looking at crewing issues, or it's gone tech in IAH.
 
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Anyone know what's up with QF7? It departed Sydney Sunday and looks like it's still stuck at IAH.


The first question should be why it diverted to IAH ?

After that you could be looking at crewing issues, or it's gone tech in IAH.


There was some showers and low visibility/clouds throughout the day here in the metroplex, but planes were still getting in and out of DFW just find, so I'm wondering what really prompted the diversion to IAH, since that now disrupts the whole schedule including the now cancelled QF8 flight.
 
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Anyone know what's up with QF7? It departed Sydney Sunday and looks like it's still stuck at IAH.


The first question should be why it diverted to IAH ?

After that you could be looking at crewing issues, or it's gone tech in IAH.


There was some showers and low visibility/clouds throughout the day here in the metroplex, but planes were still getting in and out of DFW just find, so I'm wondering what really prompted the diversion to IAH, since that now disrupts the whole schedule including the now cancelled QF8 flight.


QF7 has positioned IAH-DFW and has just landed at DFW. I would imagine that hold times may have been longer than normal and they elected to divert to IAH.
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China Eastern to commence trail flights into Perth from October... fingers crossed it does well

https://thewest.com.au/news/tourism/pus ... b88748428z


Fantastic. Looking forward to the official announcement. I'm assuming 3 x weekly with a 332 to start off.
 
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According to the following QF7 diverted to IAH due to fog at DFW

https://twitter.com/Astro95Media/status ... 6394346496
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China Eastern to commence trail flights into Perth from October... fingers crossed it does well

https://thewest.com.au/news/tourism/pus ... b88748428z


Fantastic. Looking forward to the official announcement. I'm assuming 3 x weekly with a 332 to start off.


I would expect PVG should be able to do fairly well, but it is concerning that CZ has not been able to get much traction in its time in the PER market.

PER doesn’t have a significant Chinese population, unlike SYD and MEL, which also hinders its chances to gain a foothold in the market. BNE has only recently started gaining momentum, but for a long time it also struggled to gain attention given the focus on tapping into the larger markets first.

Good luck to them with this trial.
 
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China Eastern to commence trail flights into Perth from October... fingers crossed it does well

https://thewest.com.au/news/tourism/pus ... b88748428z


Fantastic. Looking forward to the official announcement. I'm assuming 3 x weekly with a 332 to start off.


I would expect PVG should be able to do fairly well, but it is concerning that CZ has not been able to get much traction in its time in the PER market.

PER doesn’t have a significant Chinese population, unlike SYD and MEL, which also hinders its chances to gain a foothold in the market. BNE has only recently started gaining momentum, but for a long time it also struggled to gain attention given the focus on tapping into the larger markets first.

Good luck to them with this trial.


CZ have just upgraded aircraft out of perth and added another service up from 4 to 5
 
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