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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:43 pm

TK105 wrote:
I heard rumors that planned transfer of operations from IST to INA will require 2 days and during this period only SAW will be operational.

Edit: Those 2 days are supposed to be 28th and 29th of October. Also TEM motorway will be partly closed to traffic so that equipment can be moved from IST to INA quickly.

Moreover first landing is rumored to be during last week of February which will be a presidential flight...

My insider says that only runway 1 and 2 will be ready by October 2018 (but you never know, because they work also very hard on runway 3 as well). I asked about terminal: He said that it will be ready by October without difficulties with the current pace.


There must be some misinterpretations, above:

1) The present day plan is that all non-Turkish airlines (or rather, all airline not using AHL, as a hub), will cease their flights to Istanbul (except SAW) on 30th & 31st. So these airlines will still operate from IST/AHL until 29th late evening, by 23:59.
2) OnurAir & Atlasglobal will move to New Airport during 30th &31st but will not resume any flights.
3) TK will continue limited flights from IST/AHL on 30th but will also be heading for the New Airport on 30th & 31st. Full scale TK operations from New Airport will be start on 2nd Nov. (Friday). TK, for sure, will have no flights for a period of min. 12 to 18 hrs. on 30th & 31st.
4) IATA Code IST will probably transferred to the New Airport at 00:01 on 29th.
5) The first landing to New Airport is planned on 26th February (birthday of Erdogan), but will probably not be with Presidential VIP frames TC-TUR or TC-CAN.
6) Runway 3: Not even the slightest chance to be ready and moreover operational by end Oct. 2018. Expected to be operational by mid-to-end 2019.
7) Terminal (complete readiness) by end-Oct. 2018: A big iffff? Certainly many internal facilities like the Terminal Airport Hotel, Lounges and many shops cannot be ready by that date. Duty-Free, again an iffff??? (Maybe only the main one, not the smaller ones on the piers...) But im some way they must ready the PB2 as this is the only pier dedicated to domestic flights. My guess is now PB3 & PB5 may not be fully ready by end-Oct. 2018.
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:07 pm

TK787 wrote:
Incredible results for TK for January:
-YoY 36.6% increase in pax to a total fo 5.7M pax in January.
-LF incrase 7.3% to 79.8%
-Load Factor from N.America increased 13.3% !!

Woow thats great. But looking at the DHMI Jan18 pax results, it is even insane:

IST +30%
SAW +26%
ESB +48%
ADB +22%
AYT +16%
Turkey +28.5
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:22 pm

Interesting numbers for ADB and AYT. What fueled this growth in January?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:43 pm

Also just read that their LF of 79.8% is their highest ever! (Source: TK's Linkedin).

Also, with so many bug ifs why not just delay the airport move by a 1 month or something? There are so many grey areas right now that the chances that things will be chaotic are almost certain...

Also is it true that a team from MUC airport will manage the move?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:32 am

http://timesofoman.com/article/127472/O ... ew-flights

Looks like Oman Air is coming back to IST.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:02 pm

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Here is the latest from DLM new terminal. From outside it almost looks finished, identical to the International terminal but to my eyes it could be double in size. I am not sure if this will be new domestic terminal or like in the past it will be the new International terminal and the current Int one will become the new domestic terminal.
Unfortunately, DLM was a ghost town when I arrived few days ago. Only two planes, our TK 321 and the Prime Ministers A319VIP. I also saw while landing two cargo planes and 8 Eurocopters ( all security and transport of armored Mercedes'). On my way back today again, 1 Pegasus, 1 A-Jet and our TK 321. No foreign airlines. Today also two warplanes took off from DLM, a first for me. I could not see them, I was sitting on the other side of the plane.
By the way, it is a shame that Marmaris has ZERO tourists right now. With all its beauty, 64 degrees and sunny weather, all history, culture, facilities.....no one there. Most stores/bars/restaurants closed. What a shame compared to my recent Caribbean cruise. Even a hurricane damaged San Juan, Puerto Rico had half a dozen cruise ships docked. I am aware of Caribbean being slightly warmer but, 64 and Sunny with lots to offer......I am talking about $2.5 for a large beer, $4 glass of Local red wine, $8 for a glass of most whisky, most kebap plates are under $5, entrance fee to the Marmaris Castle is $2.
Just unbelievable and sad to see this lovely place like a ghost town.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:19 pm

Nice touch by TK today. Every pax was given this card/chocolate before my flight DLM-IST.


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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:02 pm

TK787 wrote:
Nice touch by TK today. Every pax was given this card/chocolate before my flight DLM-IST.


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Are they doing this globally? Anyone can confirm? That would be a lot of chocolates...
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:46 pm

IST is incredibly congested right now.. new airport really can't open fast enough.

Flew ZRH-IST and IST-ADA last week on A321 and B738 respectively.
The A321 was one of the older A321s (TC-JMN, ex Kingfisher) that got retro-fitted with real business class seats and IFE. The 738 was TC-JHB with a CY165 configuration.
With all the craze on Anet about which seat is a quarter of an inch wider on plane x than y, I found the extra leg room on the 738 to be of far more signigicance than the seat width (had big guys sitting next to me on both flights, so it's pretty much an apples to apples comparison :) ).
Service and food were excellent, IST as always pretty much over populated. After two years of flying PG and LX (may they hopefully return to IST this year) it was really nice flying with TK again. Will definitely try to book KK next time, as I haven't tried them yet.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:17 pm

Looks like ESB will be the champion of 2018 as it was in 2017, the pax growth just does not seem to stop...Time to utilize existing terminal for all domestic and put a new international terminal I think.

ESB needs a new control tower too.

Anybody has info on the 3rd runaway? When will that be put into service?

TK105 wrote:
TK787 wrote:
Incredible results for TK for January:
-YoY 36.6% increase in pax to a total fo 5.7M pax in January.
-LF incrase 7.3% to 79.8%
-Load Factor from N.America increased 13.3% !!

Woow thats great. But looking at the DHMI Jan18 pax results, it is even insane:

IST +30%
SAW +26%
ESB +48%
ADB +22%
AYT +16%
Turkey +28.5
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:29 am

Nicely written trip report on Turkish Airlines long haul:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1386343
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:39 am

TK's BEG-IST on the A321 is overbooked this morning. I guess all those passengers who didn't make it to their flight should thank their government for protecting Etihad.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:06 pm

ankaraflyjet wrote:
Looks like ESB will be the champion of 2018 as it was in 2017, the pax growth just does not seem to stop...Time to utilize existing terminal for all domestic and put a new international terminal I think.

ESB needs a new control tower too.

Anybody has info on the 3rd runaway? When will that be put into service?



You seem to be very knowledgeable about ESB. Do you know of any new potential routes? Maybe EK at ESB etc?

Thank you.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:02 pm

aldrigsomandre wrote:
Maybe EK at ESB etc?

EK would love to fly to ESB or AYT or ADB. But bilateral between Dubai and Turkey does not allow that. TK would hardly allow this to happen. Considering that UAE-Turkish government relationship is also bitter, I do not expect to see EK in ESB in near future unfortunately.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:47 pm

The biggest unserved markets from ESB are JFK in North America, followed by IAD, DXB in ME and London in Europe.

As our fellow member wrote the bilateral between UAE and Turkey does not allow EK to launch the route but TK can resume this if they like to at any time.

Hope this helps


aldrigsomandre wrote:
ankaraflyjet wrote:
Looks like ESB will be the champion of 2018 as it was in 2017, the pax growth just does not seem to stop...Time to utilize existing terminal for all domestic and put a new international terminal I think.

ESB needs a new control tower too.

Anybody has info on the 3rd runaway? When will that be put into service?



You seem to be very knowledgeable about ESB. Do you know of any new potential routes? Maybe EK at ESB etc?

Thank you.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:22 am

ankaraflyjet wrote:
The biggest unserved markets from ESB are JFK in North America, followed by IAD, DXB in ME and London in Europe.




I am quiet surprised that JFK and IAD are the top two unserved markets from ESB. Any sources for this information?
As all of you know, JFK is my home airport and for years now, I've been debating which will come first....JFK-ESB or JFK-SAW?? And will it be TK or someone else?
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:54 am

I got the information from anna aero a year ago or so but could not find the figures sorry, these two are the biggest unserved route in North America though. By number Ankara London is the largest pax number of any unserved route, TK should launch this route but they can't sacrifice a LHR slot for any of the LHR IST flights I can see and BA is already in dire-straits in Turkey (like other European airlines) as they can't compete with TK and also has slot constraints at LHR.. I guess ESB LGW ESB would be a good start if TK can't getaway with additional slots for ESB at LHR.

Regarding ESB North America market a triangle flight ESB-JFK-IAD-ESB will be an ideal way to launch the route with a A330 unless TK makes a deal with UA and starts ESB EWR and onward with some new UA/TK codeshare flights to various North, Central and South American destinations.

TK787 wrote:
ankaraflyjet wrote:
The biggest unserved markets from ESB are JFK in North America, followed by IAD, DXB in ME and London in Europe.




I am quiet surprised that JFK and IAD are the top two unserved markets from ESB. Any sources for this information?
As all of you know, JFK is my home airport and for years now, I've been debating which will come first....JFK-ESB or JFK-SAW?? And will it be TK or someone else?
Exciting times we live in :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:08 am

As our fellow member wrote the bilateral between UAE and Turkey does not allow EK to launch the route but TK can resume this if they like to at any time.


How can TK overcome the present restraint? Afaik, there are no DXB-ESB routes defined under the current bilateral(s). So EK can't start the said route but so can't TK (or any other Turkey registered airline...). :?: :?:

But I will not be surprised if QR switches to a WB on ESB-DOH route just to provide higher seat capacity for the J cabin.
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:09 am

@ Admin.:

Pls. delete this post.
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:59 pm

Alitalia and Pegasus have signed a codeshare agreement for the latter's flights btw Italy and Turkey and for some onward destinations such as ADB,ESB, AYT, BJV ,TBS etc. Flights are bookable from AZ's website ( from BGY, BLQ, FCO to SAW and beyond). Maybe Pegasus will also codeshare for Alitalia flights to USA etc? Who knows? Although happy as a Milanese with the family in Istanbul, I can't figure why a failing carrier cared to provide service to where it has lost great amounts of money even with the decreased risk. They have many other priorities now.

Maybe the increasing passenger numbers and the opening of the new airport will attract the other carriers which used to serve Istanbul and the competition will be good for us, the travellers. Any thoughts?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:25 pm

Does anyone know if TC-JNA/JNB/JNC/JND have been reconfigured with to C18 (new configuration)?

Per this link, this seems to suggest that they're all done but can someone please confirm: https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... us=current

Flying ATL-IST and back on a Wednesday and the seatmap suggests C22.

Thanks!
 
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Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:01 pm

Next US markets for TK will be DFW, EWR and SEA.

Work has commenced on office leases, airport operating agreements and handling vendor RFPs.

cabso1 wrote:
Does anyone know if TC-JNA/JNB/JNC/JND have been reconfigured with to C18 (new configuration)?


I show JNA, B, D and E are new 18/232. Dont think JNC is done yet.
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:16 pm

IATA published list of largest global air travel markets in 2017. Turkey made the #11 spot. Barring any disasters should climb the chart in 2018, likely pass France.

1. United States - 1,070,100,055 +4%
2. China - 712,989,906 +12%
3. Japan - 212,469,385 +2%
4. India - 182,584,269 +13%
5. UK - 174,299,976 +3%
6. Indonesia - 159,317,716 +5%
7. Germany - 152,400,212 +2%
8. Spain - 142,203,047 +7%
9. Brazil - 128,594,126 +2%
10. France - 108,931,307 +1%
11. Turkey - 108,469,023 +2%
12. Australia - 105,889,733 +1%
13. Italy - 104,851,320 +4%
14. Canada - 99,792,840 +5%
15. Russia - 98,273,174 +11%

Overall also Turkey was the 2nd fastest growing air travel market since 2010 with growth of 142% (Vietnam was first with 171% growth)
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:40 pm

When I was at Istanbul Ataturk Airport after coming from Ankara last week. Outside the Turkish Technic gate I saw TC-LNA an A330-200 wrapped up in stored with engines completely removed. Does anyone have any clues for why it's in storage?
 
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Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:06 pm

TC-JNC is not yet reconfigurated.
Still in technic hangar.

TC-LNA has a C-Check, not stored.

LAXintl wrote:
Next US markets for TK will be DFW, EWR and SEA.

Work has commenced on office leases, airport operating agreements and handling vendor RFPs.

cabso1 wrote:
Does anyone know if TC-JNA/JNB/JNC/JND have been reconfigured with to C18 (new configuration)?


I show JNA, B, D and E are new 18/232. Dont think JNC is done yet.


DFW is very interesting. Can we assume within 2 years all 3 destinations?
 
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:26 am

LAXintl wrote:
Next US markets for TK will be DFW, EWR and SEA.


Work has commenced on office leases, airport operating agreements and handling vendor RFPs.

cabso1 wrote:
Does anyone know if TC-JNA/JNB/JNC/JND have been reconfigured with to C18 (new configuration)?


I show JNA, B, D and E are new 18/232. Dont think JNC is done yet.


I guess there is no news about YVR, that's too bad.
 
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:58 am

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Next US markets for TK will be DFW, EWR and SEA.



Are these in any particular priority order?
I just moved to Seattle and would be very very pleased by a TK flight!!

A codeshare agreement with AS wouldn't surprise me either.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:08 am

Also:

"We have received a new flight code for Atatürk Airport from the International Air Transport Association (IATA). From now on it will work under the code ISL, and its current code IST will be assigned to Istanbul New Airport," she said.


From: https://www.dailysabah.com/business/201 ... n-airspace

What does "From now on" mean timeline wise? So IST will switch to ISL before the new airport opens?
 
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:05 am

Yakamoz wrote:
TC-JNC is not yet reconfigurated.
Still in technic hangar.

TC-LNA has a C-Check, not stored.

LAXintl wrote:
Next US markets for TK will be DFW, EWR and SEA.

Work has commenced on office leases, airport operating agreements and handling vendor RFPs.

cabso1 wrote:
Does anyone know if TC-JNA/JNB/JNC/JND have been reconfigured with to C18 (new configuration)?


I show JNA, B, D and E are new 18/232. Dont think JNC is done yet.


DFW is very interesting. Can we assume within 2 years all 3 destinations?

Sorry I have been missing from Turkish Aviation thread for some time. Any particular reason for reconfiguration? Standardization?

Upon completion, TK should have following configuration:
A330-200 fleet- 25
A330-203- 3 + 5
Ex- Jet Airways TC-JIL, JIM, JIN- C30 Y190
Factory Fresh TC-JNA, JNB, JNC, JND, JNE- C18 Y232

A330-223- 6 + 2
Ex- TAM Linhas Aereas TC-JIO, JIP, JIR, JIS, JIT, JIZ- C24 Y255
Ex- Kingfisher Airlines TC-LNA, LNB- C18 Y251

A330-300 fleet- 37
A330-302- 1
Ex- Afriqiyah TC-JOM
C28 Y263

A330-303- 19
Factory Fresh TC-JOA to JOL*, LNC to LNG, JNS, JNT, JNZ
C28 Y261
*Except TC-JOC written off

A330-343- 10 + 7
Factory Fresh TC-JNH to JNP, JNR
C28 Y261

Ex- Skymark TC-LOA to LOG
C40 Y265
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:14 pm

New direct international flights by TK form ESB posted very favorable load factors and the airport posted 50% increase in pax numbers last month alone, it is the fastest growing airport in 15 to 30 million pax category in the world...Sorry the article is in Turkish only, let's hope ESB LHR and ESB JFK will follow next by TK as mentioned in the article

http://www.airporthaber.com/havacilik-h ... gecti.html
 
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:08 pm

From: https://www.dailysabah.com/business/201 ... n-airspace

What does "From now on" mean timeline wise? So IST will switch to ISL before the new airport opens?


An imminent switch is highly unlikely but it will be materialised on Oct. 29th, 2018.
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:53 pm

Yakamoz wrote:
TC-JNC is not yet reconfigurated.
Still in technic hangar.

TC-LNA has a C-Check, not stored.

LAXintl wrote:
Next US markets for TK will be DFW, EWR and SEA.

Work has commenced on office leases, airport operating agreements and handling vendor RFPs.

cabso1 wrote:
Does anyone know if TC-JNA/JNB/JNC/JND have been reconfigured with to C18 (new configuration)?


I show JNA, B, D and E are new 18/232. Dont think JNC is done yet.


DFW is very interesting. Can we assume within 2 years all 3 destinations?


Thank you. Does this mean it's going to be reconfigured?
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:58 pm

TK787 wrote:
Nicely written trip report on Turkish Airlines long haul:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1386343


Thank you TK787 for the kind mention of my trip report on here. Appreciated.
 
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:24 am

It is incredible. Only a few years ago when TK said it will fly to 35 destinations in Africa, I remember we could not come up with 35 city names in Africa here at a.net. TK just opened its 52nd destination in Africa; Freetown, Sierra Leone.
 
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:31 am

Flew Pegasus AYT-SAW last night, almost full flight on a 189seat 2 year old A320. Few notes:
-It still amazes me that people (70 people or so) line up to board the plane, when the plane was not even at the gate!!! When I checked our plane was still 15 min. from landing.
-There was a drunk group of soccer fans chanting at the terminal, on the plane.. pretty much without any consequences. I even saw FA's giving them beer and snacks for free just to shut them up.
-Almost all of the pax were in the aisles long before we parked at our gate at SAW. Just incredible :(
-One question?? I found the aisles to be nicely wider than any plane I've been on. Do you think while trying to keep the seats to a minimum width, they ended up with wider aisles. Or is it due to having 189 seats on board and they need that width for safe evacuations and such.
Thanks.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:25 am

I just saw this; new Istanbul Airport runway lights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... oSErizetXg
Can someone explain the difference between asphalt and concrete runways.
I was present during the construction of Runway 22 at JFK and they used concrete over there and the thickness was 18" with 2" rebars across it and the builder said it would last around 50 years. Very very slow process of pouring all night long over several weeks.
 
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:18 am

@ TK787, in reply to your questions below:
The present two runways at INA are all-asphalt ones (1st RWY 3.750x60 mt and 2nd RWY 4.100x60 mt. long). Each one also has a parallel 45 mt. emergency runway and also a 45 mt. taxiway. 2nd RWY will actually have 2 taxiways…)

Quite possibly the forthcoming 4 runways will also have asphalt payment.

Below is the information I have gathered after Googling; and probably is not only limited to airport runways.

Concrete can support highest loads and lasts long. It is however most expensive to build and when it eventually gets damaged, it can't be patched and has to be rebuilt in large slabs. It also requires stable base, because it is rigid. It is built in slabs with spaces between them that are required due to account for thermal expansions and give somewhat bouncy ride.
Asphalt. There is a big variation between different kinds of asphalt concrete, but it is generally cheaper than concrete, but can't support as big loads and is susceptible to damage by frost. Asphalt is never completely rigid and slowly deforms under load. This allows using it on unstable base, but it means bumps form by prolonged use reducing the total lifetime. It also easily cracks and when water freezes in the cracks, potholes quickly form. They can however be relatively easily patched. It does not require any thermal expansion gaps and provides smooth ride.
Asphalt and Concrete can be combined. A concrete with a layer of asphalt on top provides the strength of concrete and smooth ride of asphalt. The asphalt also protects the concrete base from freezing water while itself can be easily patched. This is lately common on roads (where concrete alone is really uncomfortable), not sure how much on runways.
Gravel is simple to build; all you need is some stone from nearby quarry and a steamroller. The main disadvantages are risk of foreign object damage by loose stones thrown up by the wheels and need of regular maintenance. So it is used mainly in remote cold places where concrete would be too expensive and asphalt would not last long in prevailing weather conditions.


I don’t have the exact details as how thick the asphalt paved runways at INA are (I may find about this later…), but I know they are multilayered and they are quite thick… I don’t think that IGA (the BOTS Consortium) preferred asphalt over concrete for lower cost. Both of these runways (and the future ones) have been built on heavily rehabilitated ground; a lot of excavated and a lot of filled base which is in a way “unstable”! So although concrete pavement would certainly last longer (say as on a runway built over the desert or a flat piece of land), asphalt application should be inevitable in INA’s infrastructure.
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:35 am

@ TK787 :
One question?? I found the aisles to be nicely wider than any plane I've been on. Do you think while trying to keep the seats to a minimum width, they ended up with wider aisles. Or is it due to having 189 seats on board and they need that width for safe evacuations and such.

I can't tell you the overall dimension of a 3-seat row in that 320 or any other frame used by Pegasus but keep in mind that the 320 has a 3.70 mt. cabin width whereas the 738 has a width of 3.54 mt. So if they use the very same seats for the row, 320 will have an additional aisle width of 16 cm, over the 738... Don't think this has got to do anything regarding evacuation scenarios and limits: actually both types are limited to 189 seats/pax by FAA (actually to 190 for 320).
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:39 pm

According to Turkish Airlines September 2017 presentation, TK should lease 2 Airbus A330-200, just for this year. Anyone knows from which airline?

cabso1 wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
TC-JNC is not yet reconfigurated.
Still in technic hangar.

TC-LNA has a C-Check, not stored.

LAXintl wrote:
Next US markets for TK will be DFW, EWR and SEA.

Work has commenced on office leases, airport operating agreements and handling vendor RFPs.



I show JNA, B, D and E are new 18/232. Dont think JNC is done yet.


DFW is very interesting. Can we assume within 2 years all 3 destinations?


Thank you. Does this mean it's going to be reconfigured?


Yes, from C22Y228 to C18Y232. JNA/JNB/JND/JNE has been re-configurated.


juliuswong wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
TC-JNC is not yet reconfigurated.
Still in technic hangar.

TC-LNA has a C-Check, not stored.

LAXintl wrote:
Next US markets for TK will be DFW, EWR and SEA.

Work has commenced on office leases, airport operating agreements and handling vendor RFPs.



I show JNA, B, D and E are new 18/232. Dont think JNC is done yet.


DFW is very interesting. Can we assume within 2 years all 3 destinations?

Sorry I have been missing from Turkish Aviation thread for some time. Any particular reason for reconfiguration? Standardization?

Upon completion, TK should have following configuration:
A330-200 fleet- 25
A330-203- 3 + 5
Ex- Jet Airways TC-JIL, JIM, JIN- C30 Y190
Factory Fresh TC-JNA, JNB, JNC, JND, JNE- C18 Y232

A330-223- 6 + 2
Ex- TAM Linhas Aereas TC-JIO, JIP, JIR, JIS, JIT, JIZ- C24 Y255
Ex- Kingfisher Airlines TC-LNA, LNB- C18 Y251

A330-300 fleet- 37
A330-302- 1
Ex- Afriqiyah TC-JOM
C28 Y263

A330-303- 19
Factory Fresh TC-JOA to JOL*, LNC to LNG, JNS, JNT, JNZ
C28 Y261
*Except TC-JOC written off

A330-343- 10 + 7
Factory Fresh TC-JNH to JNP, JNR
C28 Y261

Ex- Skymark TC-LOA to LOG
C40 Y265


List is right. JNC in re-configuration process since 06/12/2017.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:01 pm

According to Turkish Airlines September 2017 presentation, TK should lease 2 Airbus A330-200, just for this year. Anyone knows from which airline?

My gutfeel is that TK will be taking back the two 332s back-leased to Nordwind, in 2017...
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:42 pm

Regarding asphalt versus concrete since Istanbul is in earthquake zone asphalt which is more flexible is likely beneficial as once concrete slabs joints become unaligned the runway becomes very rough ride.

I also presume since new airport is built on land which was only recently filed in and leveled the airport will settle in various sections for several years, so the flexibility of asphalt will be beneficial and will also be easier to repair and patch as needed.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:59 pm

TK787 wrote:
It is incredible. Only a few years ago when TK said it will fly to 35 destinations in Africa, I remember we could not come up with 35 city names in Africa here at a.net. TK just opened its 52nd destination in Africa; Freetown, Sierra Leone.


Quite impressive yes...considering though there's quite a few countries that TK actually fly to more than one destination to...not sure which all...South Africa, Tanzania, Cameroon, Nigeria and North African countries?

What countries can they still do...probably almost all African countries eventually I believe, with 737-900 and/or A320/1neos, albeit nonstop or as tag-ons...bar maybe only Lesotho and Swaziland in the south. Eventually even places like WDH, GBE, HRE, VFA, LUN, FBM, HAH in Southern Africa could possibly be as tag-ons with some other destinations with narrowbodies, if they can get 5th freedom?

Any possibility that JNB could see increased service again, was increased to 10 weekly few years ago, before the IST bombings. Or perhaps they could leave JNB with terminator service and rather combine MPM and DUR with a 4 weekly service, they don't have traffic rights on either JNB-MPM and JNB-DUR anyway, so no loss there...will probably not get rights on MPM-DUR, but won't make a difference then.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:24 pm

How is CPT served these days? I saw a 333 landing just before our takeoff.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:35 pm

grjplanes wrote:
TK787 wrote:
It is incredible. Only a few years ago when TK said it will fly to 35 destinations in Africa, I remember we could not come up with 35 city names in Africa here at a.net. TK just opened its 52nd destination in Africa; Freetown, Sierra Leone.


Quite impressive yes...considering though there's quite a few countries that TK actually fly to more than one destination to...not sure which all...South Africa, Tanzania, Cameroon, Nigeria and North African countries?

What countries can they still do...probably almost all African countries eventually I believe, with 737-900 and/or A320/1neos, albeit nonstop or as tag-ons...bar maybe only Lesotho and Swaziland in the south. Eventually even places like WDH, GBE, HRE, VFA, LUN, FBM, HAH in Southern Africa could possibly be as tag-ons with some other destinations with narrowbodies, if they can get 5th freedom?

Any possibility that JNB could see increased service again, was increased to 10 weekly few years ago, before the IST bombings. Or perhaps they could leave JNB with terminator service and rather combine MPM and DUR with a 4 weekly service, they don't have traffic rights on either JNB-MPM and JNB-DUR anyway, so no loss there...will probably not get rights on MPM-DUR, but won't make a difference then.


Turkey has a new agreement with Democratic Rep. of Congo which allows 35 weekly pax flights (it was 7) and unlimited cargo flights. New agreement allows 5th freedom flights to Luanda, Libreville and Pointe Noire.

stylo777 wrote:
How is CPT served these days? I saw a 333 landing just before our takeoff.


All flights by A333 (289-seater), nonstop.

mafaky wrote:
According to Turkish Airlines September 2017 presentation, TK should lease 2 Airbus A330-200, just for this year. Anyone knows from which airline?

My gutfeel is that TK will be taking back the two 332s back-leased to Nordwind, in 2017...


That would be a very surprise.
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:39 pm

stylo777 wrote:
How is CPT served these days? I saw a 333 landing just before our takeoff.


Direct from IST, no longer coupled with JHB.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:04 pm

TK787 wrote:
-There was a drunk group of soccer fans chanting at the terminal, on the plane.. pretty much without any consequences. I even saw FA's giving them beer and snacks for free just to shut them up.
-Almost all of the pax were in the aisles long before we parked at our gate at SAW. Just incredible :(


Flying PC, I usually get the same experience of PAX in the aisles right after we exit the runway...
Every single time I fly PC, I say never again but sometimes don't get a choice because of better schedule or full TK / XQ flights....
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:15 am

Yakamoz wrote:
According to Turkish Airlines September 2017 presentation, TK should lease 2 Airbus A330-200, just for this year. Anyone knows from which airline?

cabso1 wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
TC-JNC is not yet reconfigurated.
Still in technic hangar.

TC-LNA has a C-Check, not stored.



DFW is very interesting. Can we assume within 2 years all 3 destinations?


Thank you. Does this mean it's going to be reconfigured?


Yes, from C22Y228 to C18Y232. JNA/JNB/JND/JNE has been re-configurated.


juliuswong wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
TC-JNC is not yet reconfigurated.
Still in technic hangar.

TC-LNA has a C-Check, not stored.



DFW is very interesting. Can we assume within 2 years all 3 destinations?

Sorry I have been missing from Turkish Aviation thread for some time. Any particular reason for reconfiguration? Standardization?

Upon completion, TK should have following configuration:
A330-200 fleet- 25
A330-203- 3 + 5
Ex- Jet Airways TC-JIL, JIM, JIN- C30 Y190
Factory Fresh TC-JNA, JNB, JNC, JND, JNE- C18 Y232

A330-223- 6 + 2
Ex- TAM Linhas Aereas TC-JIO, JIP, JIR, JIS, JIT, JIZ- C24 Y255
Ex- Kingfisher Airlines TC-LNA, LNB- C18 Y251

A330-300 fleet- 37
A330-302- 1
Ex- Afriqiyah TC-JOM
C28 Y263

A330-303- 19
Factory Fresh TC-JOA to JOL*, LNC to LNG, JNS, JNT, JNZ
C28 Y261
*Except TC-JOC written off

A330-343- 10 + 7
Factory Fresh TC-JNH to JNP, JNR
C28 Y261

Ex- Skymark TC-LOA to LOG
C40 Y265


List is right. JNC in re-configuration process since 06/12/2017.


Perfect, thank you so much for your help.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:04 am

What happened to the orders of the Boeing 787 and Airbus A350?
CX - JL - LH - KE - KL - SQ - QR - QF - TG
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:52 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
What happened to the orders of the Boeing 787 and Airbus A350?


Still an intent, waiting for a firm order.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:59 am

Yakamoz wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
What happened to the orders of the Boeing 787 and Airbus A350?


Still an intent, waiting for a firm order.


Do you think they'll place an order soon?

(I'm still hopeful for Australian flights. :roll: )

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